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Friday, October 24, 2014

Knicks Morning News (2013.11.21)

  • [New York Daily News] Dumb and Dumber: Knicks play stupid, squander chance to beat Pacers (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:41:49 GMT)
    All these months later and the Indiana Pacers are more efficient, intelligent and tenacious when it matters while the Knicks remain adept at imploding — mentally and physically — with the game on the line.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Knee drains on Metta (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:04:24 GMT)
    The Knicks kept offseason knee surgeries on Amar’e Stoudemire and Iman Shumpert a secret. Add another one to the list. Metta World Peace said he had his left knee drained on Monday and the day before the Knicks played the Spurs on Nov. 10.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: By George, it’s hard to see how they’ll get past Pacers (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:45:00 GMT)
    While there’s all this talk around here about how the Knicks will never beat the Miami Heat because Carmelo Anthony will never get past LeBron James, it might be time to amend that statement to include Paul George and Indiana, as well.    

  • [New York Daily News] George uses killer instinct to become Pacers go-to guy (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:43:23 GMT)
    Paul George believes some players have a killer instinct and others don’t. It’s something guys are born with, he says, and he believes he’s had it, but didn’t know how to use it.    

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks squander 13-point lead, fall to Pacers in overtime (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:17:16 EST)
    The sight of Paul George and the Pacers brought out some fight and fire in the Knicks that they haven't shown much this season. Ultimately, they had nothing to show for it.

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks fall apart after Iman Shumpert's foul leads to overtime (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:01:36 EST)
    Iman Shumpert didn't want to talk about what was going through his mind. Not now. Doing so wasn't going to change anything, he said. Really, all he wanted to do was leave.

  • [New York Post] George carries Pacers to big win at Garden (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:27:08 -0500)
    Once again, the Pacers should thank the Heat for experience gained in a stinging Eastern Conference Finals loss last season. When Paul George stepped to the line for three free…

  • [New York Post] Anthony: Shumpert ‘part of future’ (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:59:55 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony said he hopes Iman Shumpert is part of the future, not a trade piece in the near present. Following Shumpert's ill-timed foul near the end of regulation in…

  • [New York Post] Snake-bitten Knicks can’t catch break (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:25:52 -0500)
    The illusion was powerful enough. The Pacers were in the house. The Knicks were in the house. Toward the end, after refusing to buy in for most of the previous…

  • [New York Post] Udrih goes from hero to afterthought (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:05:48 -0500)
    It was the most improbable of scenarios: the Knicks, 3-7 and winless at home since opening night, were moments away from upending the Pacers, the team with the best record…

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Opening Tip: Would you dump Shump? (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:00:03 EDT)
    When you’re talking about trading Iman Shumpert, the fear among some in the Knicks fan base — and the organization — is that he will eventually develop into a great player. Shumpert has shown us flashes in the past. Remember his otherworldly shooting performance in Game 6 against Indiana last May? What about his dominant showing in Game 6 against Boston? He seemed to make every big play down the stretch when it felt like the Celtics were on the verge of an historic comeback.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo: We're stuck in the mud (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:10:53 EDT)
    Carmelo Anthony had a few positive things to say about the Knicks after their overtime loss to Indiana. But he couldn’t ignore the bottom line: The Knicks are 3-8, have lost four straight overall and six straight at home. For Anthony, that doesn’t sit right.”You just feel like you’re stuck in the mud right now,” he said. “But we’ll get out of it.”The Knicks haven’t lost six straight at home since Feb. 2010. That was a year before Anthony came to town in a blockbuster, three-team trade with the Nuggets.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo: I don't want to see Shumpert traded (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:41:41 EDT)
    NEW YORK — Not much is going right for Iman Shumpert right now. He’s involved in a new trade rumor seemingly every day. He’s struggling with consistency on both ends of the floor. And, as if that isn’t bad enough, he committed a cardinal sin late in Wednesday’s game that led to another New York Knicks’ loss. But at the end of a rough night, Shumpert received a bit of a boost from one of the most important members of the Knicks organization.

  • [New York Times] Ellis Leads Mavs Rally in 123-120 Win Over Rockets (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:46:56 GMT)
    Monta Ellis is turning into quite a consolation prize after Dallas missed out on Dwight Howard.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Come Back to Beat Warriors 88-81 in OT (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:34:39 GMT)
    Mike Conley shook off a rough shooting night to make a tiebreaking 3-pointer with 1:36 left in overtime and the Memphis Grizzlies held on to beat the Golden State Warriors 88-81 on Wednesday.    

  • [New York Times] Pacers 103, Knicks 96 (OT): Great Effort by Knicks, for 47 Minutes (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:27:33 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony had 30 points but shot just 10 of 28 from the field for the Knicks, while the Pacers’ Paul George scored 21 of his game-high 35 points in the fourth quarter and overtime.    

  • [New York Times] Cousins Scores 19 Points, Kings Beat Suns 113-106 (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:16:27 GMT)
    DeMarcus Cousins overcame a sore shoulder to score 19 points and grab 12 rebounds, leading the Sacramento Kings past the Phoenix Suns 113-106 on Wednesday night for their first road win of the season.    

  • [New York Times] Steady Indiana Pace Themselves to Overtime Win in New York (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:04:19 GMT)
    The Indiana Pacers came out ice cold against a revenge-minded New York Knicks team on Wednesday but showed their class and put the NBA on notice with a hot finish that produced another notch in the win column.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Heat Top Magic as Starters Rest (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:03:13 GMT)
    LeBron James had 21 points and 7 assists, and Chris Bosh scored 18 points as the visiting Miami Heat beat the Orlando Magic, 120-92, on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Bobcats 95, Nets 91: Familiar Scenes: Star Hurts Ankle, and Nets Stagger (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:57:23 GMT)
    After losing Deron Williams to another ankle injury, the Nets again wilted in the third quarter against the Bobcats as they fell for the sixth time in seven games.    

  • [New York Times] George, Pacers Pull Out OT Victory Over Knicks (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:34:44 GMT)
    Paul George and the Pacers were down and just about out, seconds away from consecutive losses.    

  • [New York Times] Parker Leads Spurs Past Celtics, Win 8th Straight (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:13:36 GMT)
    Tony Parker scored 19 points and the San Antonio Spurs beat the Boston Celtics 104-93 Wednesday night, winning their eighth straight overall and remaining undefeated at home.    

  • [New York Times] Davis Leads Pelicans Past Jazz 105-98 (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:08:05 GMT)
    Anthony Davis had 22 points, nine rebounds and eight blocks, and the New Orleans Pelicans won their second straight game, 105-98 over the struggling Utah Jazz on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Griffin, Paul Carry Clippers Past Wolves, 102-98 (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:49:48 GMT)
    Blake Griffin had 20 points and 10 rebounds while dominating his matchup with Kevin Love and Chris Paul scored 16 points in the fourth quarter to lead the Los Angeles Clippers to a 102-98 victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Trail Blazers Beat Bucks 91-82, Win 8th Straight (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:44:06 GMT)
    LaMarcus Aldridge scored 21 points, Damian Lillard added 19 and the Portland Trail Blazers beat the Milwaukee Bucks 91-82 Wednesday night for their eighth straight win.    

  • [New York Times] Millsap Leads Hawks Past Smith and Pistons, 93-85 (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:16:32 GMT)
    Paul Millsap, signed in the offseason to replace Josh Smith, had 19 points to steal the spotlight in Smith’s return to Atlanta, leading the Hawks to a 93-85 win over the Detroit Pistons on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] DeRozan Leads Raptors Past 76ers 108-98 (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:58:35 GMT)
    DeMar DeRozan scored 33 points and Rudy Gay had 18 to help the Toronto Raptors beat the Philadelphia 76ers 108-98 on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Walkers Scores 31 as Bobcats Beat Nets 95-91 (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:55:49 GMT)
    Kemba Walker scored a season-high 31 points and the Charlotte Bobcats handed the turnover-prone Brooklyn Nets their sixth loss in their past seven games 95-91 on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Beal, Nene Lead Wizards Past Cavaliers 98-91 (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:49:48 GMT)
    Bradley Beal scored 26 points and Nene added 24, leading the Washington Wizards to a 98-91 win over the Cleveland Cavaliers on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] James Scores 21, Heat Roll Past Magic 120-92 (Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:34:37 GMT)
    LeBron James scored 21 points and handed out seven assists, Chris Bosh scored 18 points and the Miami Heat beat the Orlando Magic 120-92 on Wednesday night for their fifth straight victory.    

  • 56 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2013.11.21)

    1. er

      Big road trip. Gotta win at Was and at least steal one of the following two. On another note. Whats up with Ian Oconnor? He literally is half mast anytime the Knicks face some kind of adversity. Yes PG is probably better than melo right now but When Melo outplayed KD or Lebron last year he didnt write that article. Gotta love NY media

    2. Garson

      Heard in the postgame interview , Woodson blamed Shump on the foul calling him “lazy”

      I would be surprised if Shump was still on the roster by christmas at this point… which is a shame being that hes in his 3rd year ( 2nd with injury), is still developing his game , and has become one of the more likable knicks on a team that is getting very hard to love.

      On another note, why is Woodson not on the up by 3 points , pre-attempt foul program yet? Dont know the percentages but as a fan feel like when we are in the other situation, we have a better change at an attempt then playing the free throw game.

    3. hoolahoop

      I’ve been one of Melo’s biggest critics, but watching him this season, it’s impossible for me to not recognize how incredibly talented he is. Off the charts, talented. He’s a freakin beast. And he’s at his peak. His scoring versatility and ability is among the best – ever! It’s an opportunity for us to witness.

      The last few games he reminded my of vintage Ewing in terms of effort. Night in, night out, win or lose, you could count on him to be a warrior. That’s leadership.

      However, despite all the accolades, this does not excuse him from shooting with three guys draped all over him. Now, more than ever, he needs a coach, a mentor, a teacher, a friend, strong enough to teach him the strength of the team over that of the individual.
      When he arrived in NY, he should have helped Amare get his twenty and the knicks win, instead of getting his own 3o, at any expense. He should have helped the knicks win by getting everyone involved. He’s talented enough to do that. Few are. That’s what makes Lebron so great. And Magic. and Jason Kidd.
      It’s unfortunate that the knicks are such an inept organization. Under the proper tutelage, and with another good player or two, the knicks could be an elite team.
      As a long time knicks fan, I know that’s not our fate.

    4. flossy

      On another note, why is Woodson not on the up by 3 points , pre-attempt foul program yet? Dont know the percentages but as a fan feel like when we are in the other situation, we have a better change at an attempt then playing the free throw game.

      Always, always foul in this situation! I don’t understand why anyone ever takes this chance! NBA players are too good, and the possibility for mistakes (like… fouling on a 3 point attempt) are too high.

    5. johnno

      The reason why Woodson doesn’t foul up three before the shot is simple — it can backfire very very badly like it almost did when the Rockets did it to Melo (except that the ref blew the call and waved off Melo’s made three). If the Knicks had fouled before George shot the ball, is there ANY doubt that, as soon as he heard the whistle, George would have heaved the ball towards the basket and, at worst, been awarded three foul shots and, at best, made the shot and gotten a four point play? With the Knicks’ luck, if they intentionally fouled a guy, the ref would call it flagrant and give the other team two shots and the ball.
      @3 — check out the numbers — when Melo came to New York, Stoudemire averaged 24ppg the rest of the season. He only stopped “getting his 20″ when he hurt his back. That’s not on Melo.

    6. Brian Cronin

      The odds regarding fouling not fouling are remarkably even. I would have figured that fouling up three would win you a lot more games but apparently it doesn’t (so few teams do it that perhaps the sample size is too small to be relevant, but still). The difference in the odds between the two is minuscule (like a percentage point).

    7. flossy

      The reason why Woodson doesn’t foul up three before the shot is simple — it can backfire very very badly like it almost did when the Rockets did it to Melo (except that the ref blew the call and waved off Melo’s made three). If the Knicks had fouled before George shot the ball, is there ANY doubt that, as soon as he heard the whistle, George would have heaved the ball towards the basket and, at worst, been awarded three foul shots and, at best, made the shot and gotten a four point play?

      Why didn’t they just immediately foul David West, who received the inbounds pass about 28 feet from the goal with his back to the basket?

    8. Brian Cronin

      Why didn’t they just immediately foul David West, who received the inbounds pass about 28 feet from the goal with his back to the basket?

      Agreed. I also think Miami should have fouled David West last year before allowing Paul George a look at a game-tying three (which he nailed).

    9. Brian Cronin

      Brian, I was referring to Johhno’s comment about Stat.

      Gotcha. I figured as much but wanted to be sure. ;)

    10. thenamestsam

      In general I greatly prefer fouling even though I know the numbers say it hardly makes a difference, but we are by all indications a low basketball-IQ team coached by someone who may be even lower in basketball-IQ. That’s exactly the kind of team where fouling is risky.

      If you decide to foul it’s all about doing it the right way. As flossy rightly points out, fouling West when he catches the ball facing away from the basket is perfect – he can’t get a shot up and he’s not an elite ft shooter, but by the time he gives to George the calculus has totally shifted. If you try to give the foul there with him facing the hoop just a foot or two behind the 3 pt line there’s a very real chance he gets the shot attempt off (and for the record, no the refs did not blow the continuation call against Houston) and even if you do give the foul successfully, he ‘s probably a better ft shooter than whoever you send to the line after so there’s a real chance the ft exchange tilts against you. So to do it properly you need to have players capable of making good snap decisions as the play is evolving, under extreme pressure, and with the game on the line. Does that sound like the current Knicks to you? That’s why I think not fouling is probably a good strategy for us.

    11. Zanzibar

      I now hope we don’t trade Shump unless Rondo is walking through the door. He shot 1-6 and yet we were +6 when he was on the court (only plus Knick other than Bargs). Why +6? He shut down George, DRTG of 92 for game (KMart 97 and every other Knick 101+). George had 31.3FG% when Shump on court versus 70% when Shump off court. We’re gonna need Shump on George, Rose, Wade to have any chance against those teams. Shump and MWP’s defense looms large to minimize Bargs help defense issues. I only hope MWP’s knee isn’t gonna be a chronic problem.

    12. chrisk06811

      Is there a chance with Shump that Woodson knows something that we don’t? We can question his strategy and his lineups, but he’s always been a pro-player coach who seems to have the ability to motivate. We love Shump because he plays hard, plays D and has cool hair. Maybe more goes on behind closed doors? Maybe Woodson knows his ceiling is lower than we do? Maybe that is why he cut his hair (low ceiling issues)? Woodson didn’t create this roster, he doesn’t appear to be misusing Shump, he’s just being critical of him. Maybe he knows what he is doing? If he knows that Shump’s days are numbered, the last thing he would do is criticize him publicly for being lazy because stuff like that can impact his trade value.

    13. d-mar

      @15 I believe Shump was guarding George most of the 4th quarter and OT when he scored 21 points. Not that they were all easy shots, but to say he “shut him down” is a bit of an overstatement

    14. DRed

      Maybe that is why he cut his hair (low ceiling issues)? Woodson didn’t create this roster, he doesn’t appear to be misusing Shump, he’s just being critical of him. Maybe he knows what he is doing?

      The same Mike Woodson who lets JR Smith do all sorts of stupid shit without saying anything remotely critical in public? The same guy who played Bargnani 38 minutes last night and Aldrich for 3 seconds? Woodson is not a terrible coach, but he’s also pretty clearly not infallible. I have no idea what his problem with Shump is, but he’s one of our better players, so it’s a bit of a headscratcher to me.

    15. ephus

      Yesterday, Shumpert was strong for most of the game, but made an inexcusable mistake on the last Pacer possession in regulation. There is never a good reason to foul a jump shooter. Contest and block out (with elbows spread and hands up). This is basic basketball.

    16. marechal

      Woodson’s infatuation with JR and his throwing of Shump under the bus really irk me.

      I see Woodson as a bully – he only seems to hold accountable young or vulnerable players, like Lin, Copeland, Novak and now Shump. JR can party every night in a playoff series, get beat 10 times on the backdoor and go 3-17, and will still play 35 minutes a night. Accountability, yo.

      Hardaway Jr will probably be his new post-JR love affair, btw. He probably feels more intimidated to bully him because of his last name.

    17. johnno

      @8, 12 and 13 — I did check STAT’s stats and I am 100% correct. From the date of the Melo trade until the end of the season that year, Amare averaged 24.5 points per game. He hurt his back in the playoffs that year and his numbers have dropped since then. It is a complete misconception by a lot of people that Amare and Melo couldn’t work together offensively after the trade. The team’s offense was great for the rest of the season. It was their defense that was lousy.
      Re: why not foul David West — because David West is not dumb either. As soon as he heard the whistle, he too would have thrown the ball towards the hoop and probably been awarded 3 foul shots. David West is an 83% foul shooter for his career. The odds of him hitting 3 foul shots are much higher than the odds of Paul George hitting a 3 to tie the game.

    18. massive

      Now Mike Woodson is coaching on borrowed time. The Knicks are rumored to want John Calipari, who wants $8 million.

      This just keeps getting more and more insane. It’s clear to me that Dolan’s new Isiah Thomas is William Wesley.

    19. stratomatic

      No matter how you slice it and no matter what the stats say for that short period of time, it was a mistake to combine Stat and Melo. They are both #1 scoring options that are about average at everything else on a net basis. There is going to be some diminishing returns whenever you combine 2 players that are very good at the same exact thing. Both should have been combined with a player that is a secondary scoring option but elite at other things (like Nash or Matrix with Amare, Chandler with Melo, Billups with Melo etc..) Gallo was actually a good complimentary piece for Amare if you were patient with Gallo’s development (and Amare stayed healthy), but they needed the rebounding and defensive presence inside. They didn’t need a #1 scorer. And Melo does not need Amare.

    20. flossy

      Re: why not foul David West — because David West is not dumb either. As soon as he heard the whistle, he too would have thrown the ball towards the hoop and probably been awarded 3 foul shots. David West is an 83% foul shooter for his career. The odds of him hitting 3 foul shots are much higher than the odds of Paul George hitting a 3 to tie the game.

      Oh please. He was facing *away* from the basket when he caught the inbounds. He’d have had to blindly fling the ball over one of his shoulders to take a “shot” from that position. The refs were awful but nobody considers that a FG attempt.

    21. CN

      @15 I believe Shump was guarding George most of the 4th quarter and OT when he scored 21 points. Not that they were all easy shots, but to say he “shut him down” is a bit of an overstatement

      Shump did not play in overtime until Bargnani fouled out- allowing PG to go off for (I think) 7 points until shump came back in. Another questionable decision by Woody, though I don’t know who you sit in place of Shump at the place of OT (K-mart ? who knows…)

    22. flossy

      If John Calipari is brought in to coach the Knicks, I am going to have to take a little break from giving a shit about this franchise.

    23. JK47

      Nothing like openly speculating about hiring a coach with a 72-112 NBA record while you still haven’t fired the current coach of the team; that’s a good way to get everybody fired up.

    24. chrisk06811

      I am in NO WAY saying Woodie is a good coach. I’m just saying the following:
      -He sees Shump every day. we only watch him play.
      -His job is to get the most out of his players. He failed at this w/ JR in the playoffs last year. But, he did a good job of it in the regular season.
      -What his problem is with Shump we don’t know, so questioning his process is tough. I don’t expect him to treat all the players the same way. Maybe he thought blasting Shump to the press would light a fire under him?
      -I think he’s bright enough to realize that you don’t bash a player’s effort if you are trying to trade him. That tells the whole league he’s over-valued. I think he’s brighter than that.
      -Our opinions of Shump could be over-stated because we love him. Landry Fields comes to mind.

    25. flossy

      Nothing like openly speculating about hiring a coach with a 72-112 NBA record while you still haven’t fired the current coach of the team; that’s a good way to get everybody fired up.

      Clearly, this organization needs someone well-versed in recruiting violations to land us the next Chris Smith.

    26. Donnie Walsh

      Clearly, this organization needs someone well-versed in recruiting violations to land us the next Chris Smith.

      Haha. That’s awesome.

      Honestly, at this point I’d just as rather have Isiah hired as coach. If we need to bottom out, let’s go all the way down, down, down… that way the Commish can force Dolan to hire competent basketball minds again, and we can have another small window of sanity.

    27. johnno

      @23 — I’m not going to argue with you but, against the Rockets, Melo got the ball 26 feet out with his back to the basket and came thisclose to hitting a game-winning 4 point play. (I think that reasonable minds can disagree whether the refs made the right call on the Melo shot.)

    28. ephus

      But Woodson told his time to foul, if possible, before the Pacers were able to shoot. Alan Hahn quotes Shumpert saying that Woodson told them, “If we saw them running a play, then get a quick foul,” he said. “But if they shot it, contest the shot.”

      The problem was execution, not coaching strategy.

    29. JK47

      The good news is that the Knicks are slowly but surely backing themselves into a high lottery pick in 2015. The bad news is that it’s a thin draft.

      The good news, though, is that the Knicks are not allowed to trade away that 2015 pick. The bad news is that they are allowed to make a trade that involves unprotected swap rights of the pick, which is something I am just about 100% certain will happen.

    30. Donnie Walsh

      The problem was execution, not coaching strategy.

      I think the call was a good one by the ref (the contact wasn’t all that apparent on the replays, but because the trajectory of the shot was so far off line, I think it is reasonable to assume Shump bumped his arm, and a whistle should have been blown). I also think Shumpert’s D was solid on the play. Basketball is a game of centimeters, and it just didn’t break NY’s way at the end.

    31. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, whether you think it is a good idea to foul there or not, David West was not going to get credit for a three point shot there. If the Knicks wanted to foul, they could have. They clearly just chose not to, like most teams in the NBA do in that situation.

      EDITED TO ADD: Although now ephus tells us that they just plain ol’ screwed up Woody’s plan. My apologies, Woody!

    32. Brian Cronin

      Hiring Calipari is just hilariously typical Knicks behavior.

      How could you possibly think that he’d be a good fit here?

      I like Calipari as a coach, but he’s very much a college coach in the sense that his skills are more about recruitment than anything else.

    33. hoolahoop

      Woodson just said in interview with Stephen A Smith that the plan was to foul on the last play, but Shumpert felt that George would have got a shot off so elected to contest the shot. I don’t think he threw Shump under the bus.

    34. hoolahoop

      Regarding the no-calls on Melo, Woodson said that after 30 years in the game, sometimes he doesn’t know what is a foul and what’s not, anymore.
      That’s so true. I’ve been watching games for over 40 years and more than ever, can’t figure out how the refs make their decisions. And the notion that marquee players get favorable calls that other players don’t, as I see it, ruins the system.

    35. cgreene

      One thing about the Melo initiating and then playing through contact situation that always comes to mind is why doesn’t he sell it more? I mean I get trying to make the shot and present some toughness but flopping or acting on these calls as Harden does who starts his flop before getting hit is part of the gig. Seems like someone would have gotten in his ear. No?

    36. er

      One thing about the Melo initiating and then playing through contact situation that always comes to mind is why doesn’t he sell it more? I mean I get trying to make the shot and present some toughness but flopping or acting on these calls as Harden does who starts his flop before getting hit is part of the gig. Seems like someone would have gotten in his ear. No?

      Maybe he doesnt know how to. Seriously. I remember hearing weird stories about Michael Vick and a few other running quarterbacks who didnt know how to slide which i found baffling . Everything is a skill in sports and not everyone has them all.

    37. d-mar

      If there are any positives to be taken from this dreary start (besides that the Atlantic Division is a joke) it’s that due to injuries to Chandler and Felton, Bargnani and Udrih have had the opportunity to play big minutes, and both have stepped up. In the long run, this will make us a better team, as Woodson will (hopefully) realize he has lots of options when the players on the court aren’t getting it done.

    38. stratomatic

      If Melo needs lessons on how to sell fouls (or flop well), he should call up Gallo, offer him a nice meal in Little Italy, and pick his brains.

    39. BigBlueAL

      Chris Herring tweeted that in the 34 mins where Shump and Paul George were both on the floor PG shot 5 for 16. In the 15 mins where PG played and Shump wasnt on the floor he shot 7 for 10.

      I didnt watch the game but judging by those stats it sure looks like Shump did a pretty god job guarding PG.

    40. Hubert

      Garson November 21, 2013 at 10:39 am

      Heard in the postgame interview , Woodson blamed Shump on the foul calling him “lazy”

      I did. It annoyed me.

      Especially when the other night, when Melo cost us a game by losing his mind, Woodson said he was right to.

      The whole quote was:

      “I told Iman that I’m sure they are going to give [George] the ball … but he kind of lazily played it,” Woodson said. “The worst that can happen is that he hits a three over you and it goes into overtime like it did, but you can’t foul him.”

      I’ve never heard him say:

      “I told JR to stop losing his man on the backdoor but he kinda lazily ball watched.”

      His selective accountability really bugs me. It’s not even accountability, it’s scapegoating.

      We’ve heard him say it a million times: he only wants veterans. I’m certain he would trade Shump for just about anything.

    41. bocker84

      In the long run, this will make us a better team, as Woodson will (hopefully) realize he has lots of options when the players on the court aren’t getting it done.

      HAH! Wait… were you serious when you said that Woody would take out players who aren’t getting it done?

    42. Hubert

      chrisk06811 November 21, 2013 at 1:15 pm

      -What his problem is with Shump we don’t know,

      I think we do. He unabashedly and indiscriminately hates young players. He has stated his preference for veterans 1,000 times over.

    43. Nick C.

      Woody has had a stick up his perineum about Shumpert from Day 1. He had the fetish with calling him “rook”. He’s afraid to stand up to the cool kids, so to speak, and so he picked on the “nerds”

    44. JK47

      His selective accountability really bugs me. It’s not even accountability, it’s scapegoating.

      Woody’s about to find out all about scapegoating, because his ass is about to get canned. Hoisted by his own petard.

    45. DRed

      I think we do. He unabashedly and indiscriminately hates young players. He has stated his preference for veterans 1,000 times over.

      Tim Hardaway Jr. says hello

      Edit: You’re generally correct. But Shump is in his 3rd year now, and I don’t understand why he’s thrown his rule out for Timmy, unless it’s part of Jimmy D’s push to trade Shump.

    46. dtrickey

      IMO I think you will find Woody gives Shump a bit more grief as a motivation. Guys like Shump are project players who sometimes need a little tough love. The kind of player he is, maybe a bit of a fire cracker under him is a good thing.

      In my mind his relationship with JR is slightly different beceasue he’s reached his ceiling. JR isn’t going to get any better. Does he need to be motivated? Yeah definitely, he could also pull his head in a little too. However, Shump is still learning pro-ball and if he’s not called out on his mistakes he won’t get better. I used to have a coach back when I played in High School who always used to say “listen to what I am saying, not how I’m saying it”. That said you also need to focus on the things he does well too, but given we only see game day Shump and Woody I don’t think we are in a position to come to any conclusive answer as to their relationship.

      Anyway that’s just my two cents on the topic.

    47. DRed

      Knicks players over .540 TS%:
      Bargnani .559
      Prigioni .703
      Martin .561
      Chandler .628

      Prigs needs to play 40 minutes a night and take all the shots. Problems solved.

    48. Kahnzy

      Prigs needs to play 40 minutes a night and take all the shots. Problems solved.

      I’m pretty sure you weren’t being serious, but I figured I’d make my point at your expense anyway. I love me some Prigs, but he’s most effective in his limited role. 15-20 minutes a night and he’s awesome; start pushing 30 minutes and I think his age catches up with him to the very serious detriment of his game. The Knicks really need a first-class point guard who can run a legit offense and stand up to ball-stopping iso play. It shouldn’t be true, but guys play harder on defense when they’re regularly included in the offense. Our defensive scheme are still worthy of some serious head-scratching (what with the constant and often stupid switching and doubling), but the effort would at least be more consistent if our offense didn’t so often devolve into 4 guys standing around watching Melo or JR jack up a contested 16-18ft fade-away.

    49. Owen

      Turned on the Knuggets, Mozgov drains a turnaround jumper. Faried, Lawson rolling as well.

      Their season is screwed without Gallo and McGee. But still fun to watch.

    50. massive

      http://nypost.com/2013/11/22/james-dolan-dishes-on-isiah-his-garden-teams/

      This might be the most important Knicks-related thing you’ll read all season. Or maybe for the next five seasons, honestly. James Dolan did an interview with the New York Post. I’m not sure how much of this is scripted, and I’m not sure how much of this is true. But there are some very encouraging things in this interview. And then you have some really “NO THAT’S WRONG, JIMMY” things in there, too. And your “we already knew that” things, too. Really good read.

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