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Knicks Morning News (2013.11.08)

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: It’s time for Dolan to channel his interests (Fri, 08 Nov 2013 04:33:26 GMT)
    If we were one of the famed Rockettes (there’s a scary thought) we would be looking over our shoulder. James (Guitar Jimmy) Dolan, the proprietor of Radio City, has placed his other dance troupe, the Knicks City Dancers, under creative control of his Gulag Dance Theater.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: If Dolan wants Knicks afloat, he should listen to coach speak (Fri, 08 Nov 2013 04:31:16 GMT)
    The Knicks aren’t suddenly the Yankees because they don’t have Tyson Chandler the way the Yankees didn’t have Derek Jeter and Mark Teixeira for most of the season and Curtis Granderson and Alex Rodriguez for way too much of it.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Knicks explore center options (Fri, 08 Nov 2013 04:08:48 GMT)
    With the Knicks in the market for a big body to fill in for injured center Tyson Chandler, Jason Collins remains one of the most intriguing names available.    

  • [New York Times] LeBron Says Back Has Been Sore for Couple Weeks (Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:32:19 GMT)
    LeBron James has a general rule: If he can get out of bed, he can play basketball.    

  • [New York Times] Blake’s Shot With 1.3 Seconds Left Lifts Lakers (Fri, 08 Nov 2013 05:59:04 GMT)
    Steve Blake hit a 3-pointer with 1.3 seconds remaining to lift the Los Angeles Lakers to a 99-98 victory over the Houston Rockets and Dwight Howard on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Lawson’s 23 Leads Nuggets Past Hawks, 109-107 (Fri, 08 Nov 2013 04:47:09 GMT)
    Ty Lawson had 23 points and eight assists and the Denver Nuggets held on to beat the Atlanta Hawks 109-107 on Thursday night to give new head coach Brian Shaw his first win.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Curry Has Bone Bruise in Ankle (Fri, 08 Nov 2013 04:32:00 GMT)
    A magnetic resonance imaging scan of Golden State point guard Stephen Curry’s left ankle showed a bone bruise    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Heat Win Third Straight (Fri, 08 Nov 2013 04:30:37 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade scored 29 points, 11 in the fourth quarter, and the Miami Heat held off the visiting Los Angeles Clippers, 102-97, on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Wade Lifts Heat Over Clippers (Fri, 08 Nov 2013 03:11:09 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade scored 29 points, 11 in the fourth quarter, and the Miami Heat held off the visiting Los Angeles Clippers, 102-97, on Thursday night.    

  • 45 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2013.11.08)

    1. Frank O.

      If the Knicks start scrambling to find a center outside the organization, it is a massive indictment of the team’s leadership.
      If they do that, it means they had no plan B in place. It means that the plan B they had in place was a pipe dream, a fantasy they sold to themselves.
      They signed K-Mart.
      They signed Bargnani.
      They signed Aldrich.
      They signed Barron.
      And they have Amare.

      If they left it to me, I would play Bargnani as the PF in a rotation with Amare. I’d be playing Amare his full 20 minutes every game at both PF and C. I would platoon either Aldrich or Barron at C, and give Kmart some minutes.
      Most important in that mix is helping Amare get his reps and his mojo back. I don’t believe the guy is done suddenly. He is a groove player. He needs reps. It has been our experience that he needs a good 10 games to get into the flow, and then he has been a monster. When not injured, Amare is still a very dangerous player. I am convinced of this.
      The Knicks have to acknowledge that Bargnani is what he is and put him in a position to succeed. They’re asking him to do things he has never done well.
      Meanwhile, let Aldrich and Barron do what they do.
      Rebounds are going to be a problem with this team, so they need to score and defend.

      In the end, the rotation needs to be nine or 10 guys at most:
      PGs: Felton, Prigs
      SGs: Shump, JR
      SFs: Carmelo, MWP
      PFs: Bargs, Amare
      Cs: Aldrich, Amare
      with some Kmart at both PF and C.

      Clearly Hardaway would have to beat out either JR or Shump to get time.
      Udrih would get little minutes to spell one of the point options. He also hasn’t played well enough to get burn.
      This isn’t rocket science.

    2. DRed

      I’m pretty sure Plan B was to play former #1 draft pick center Andrea Bargnani at center. It’s a really stupid plan, but it is a plan.

    3. chrisk06811

      I think we all understand that Chris Smith was kept for some non basketball reason, even if we don’t know exactly what that was. It’s also obvious that if anyone had thought Chandler would break his leg, we would have kept a big instead. but we didn’t.

      I feel like there must be something about Earl Barron that management doesn’t like; he’s the obvious choice. He is familiar with the system and has displayed that he can play well here at center. He’s either on his way in, or he pissed somebody off.

    4. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Watching last night’s Lakers-Rockets game, was any Knick fan surprised that the Lakers botched the first inbounds play in the final seconds? D’Antoni still can’t draw up plays during time outs. On the next play he just had Steve Nash put his arms around Jeremy Lin and hold him to get Blake open.

    5. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Why is there so much love for Earl Barron?

      The guy has a career PER of 8.8, career FG% of 37.5%, and averages a block every 72 minutes. And he’s 32 years old.

      I’d rather scour the mailrooms of America for the Knicks next center.

    6. flossy

      I feel like there must be something about Earl Barron that management doesn’t like

      Probably the fact that he really sucks, random end-of-season-cameo garbage time double/doubles notwithstanding.

    7. Brian Cronin

      The most exciting thing about the Knicks right now is to see who they cut when they sign a free agent center. It will be so hilarious if it is not Chris Smith.

    8. chrisk06811

      They trusted earl enough to bring him in 2 years in a row, as a warm body, and gave him some burn, where he at least rebounded, which is what we need. who out there is better? Lou Amondson? That’s the problem with arguing against using bargs….who are we going to use instead? I totally agree Aldrich deserves a chance, and Martin has shown he can do it. Amare just can’t right now. So, if we want to split it 3 ways btw. bargs, martin and Aldrich for 2 weeks, I’m OK w/ that.

    9. thenamestsam

      I’ve heard Lou Amundson’s name bandied about and I think that would be a good pickup at this point. He’s nothing special, but he got real minutes on some decent Phoenix teams. He doesn’t do any one thing particularly well from what I remember and his last few years have been pretty ugly, but he plays hard and he’s a big body. Those may be the only qualifications necessary at this point. We’re not looking for a star here.

      I’d give Aldrich the first crack but the Knicks absolutely need to be getting someone else in to practice ASAP b/c lets not forget that the guys we’re relying heavily on now (KMart, Bargs, Amare) all have lengthy injury histories of their own not to mention the minute restrictions they’re potentially still under. We need to be prepared for the possibility of playing some games without some part of that contingent and that means getting another body on board quickly.

    10. Hubert

      danvt November 8, 2013 at 6:40 am

      I worry about the whole, “we gotta play at a faster pace” thing. Just relax fellas. The turnovers have been a big problem. Take care of the ball and pass it. That’ll give you space to shoot. Forcing tempo when nothing’s there is stupid.

      Dan, we were advocating unconventional, smaller lineups. That’s not the same as playing at a faster pace. In fact, we used small lineups with a very slow pace last year.

      I agree the turnovers are a problem. But the turnovers are coming from our bigs. You can’t just say “take care of the ball and pass it”. If you play Amar’e and AB, you’re going to turn the ball over. If you replace them with a second PG like Prigs, you’ll turn it over less.

      It just so happens, on this team, we have to play small to not turn the ball over.

      By the way, might be a good time to reinstate that running laps thing that Woodson had going last year re: turnovers.

    11. Hubert

      Brian Cronin November 8, 2013 at 10:00 am

      The most exciting thing about the Knicks right now is to see who they cut when they sign a free agent center. It will be so hilarious if it is not Chris Smith.

      Sad but true.

      I call it even money that we actually cut Aldrich to sign a center, because it’s the thing that makes the least sense.

    12. Brian Cronin

      Before the season began, the rumor was that when Tyler got healthy, it was, indeed, Aldrich who was going to get cut. Hilarious.

    13. MarcusRinaldi

      Breaking News: Eddy Curry was released from his Chinese team contract and the Knicks are sitting with his agent within the hour to discuss bringing him aboard… Source: http://sportschump.net/2010/07/21/isiah-thomas-owes-me-an-apology-not-the-other-way-around/4166/

      -Just kidding, it’s just a picture of him fat and out of shape.. In all seriousness Earl Barron was simply a last second person we needed because we needed to put somebody out there. The man is simply tall, and can occasionally grab a rebound. We’d get absolutely zero from him. With Jason Collins, i feel age has a-lot to with it. He’s turning 35 next month, and to be honest, he’s probably at the same level as Cole Aldrich at best. Jared Jeffries is in the front office line of business now also, so our usual list of suspects is about empty. At this point I think we need to scour the D-League for someone who is at least athletic and quick. If Chris Smith isn’t the one released I wouldn’t be surprised, but I would hope the NBA really investigates the side deals with the Smith family because it’d be absolutely appalling and corrupt to the max. I’d rather have mike bibby or baron davis on the roster at this moment than Chris Smith

    14. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Can’t say I’d be thrilled with Jason Collins, other than it makes a nice story. Jason Kidd could probably out rebound him.

      I hate that we’re thinking about bottom of the barrel guys. This is where you find a young guy that might be something. (Copeland, Novak, Lin, etc.)

      Anyone know anything about Micheal Eric? Boatload of rebounds and blocks for the D-League last year. 6-11. 25 years old. 50% eFG.

    15. KnickfaninNJ

      I’m pretty sure Plan B was to play former #1 draft pick center Andrea Bargnani at center. It’s a really stupid plan, but it is a plan.

      I have to eat crow here and agree with you. I thought Bargnani was brought in to stretch the floor and and provide scoring other than Melo so that Melo and others got better looks. I posted stuff suggesting this might be good for the Knicks. But it turns out the Knicks were not that imaginative. Bargnani was and is our backup center.

    16. Mike Kurylo Post author

      I have to eat crow here and agree with you. I thought Bargnani was brought in to stretch the floor and and provide scoring other than Melo so that Melo and others got better looks. I posted stuff suggesting this might be good for the Knicks. But it turns out the Knicks were not that imaginative. Bargnani was and is our backup center.

      Not often that someone admits to being wrong in a previous instance. And he didn’t even get called out by name for it. I’m voting KnickfaninNJ for Commenter of the Year.

    17. Frank

      Before we all literally throw ourselves off a bridge, why don’t we just see what happens for a few games? We were 12-4 without Chandler last year, and for the last month of the regular season (Chandler barely played during that time), we were still a net +7 in point differential. Granted, there was a lot of great play from Copeland during that time, but it’s not like Cope put up completely irreplaceable numbers during that period of time – they were very good at TS 57.5 and a USG of 26.6 in 400 minutes over 20 games (20 min/game). He had TRB% of 9 during that time which is basically Bargnani’s career TRB%. So far this year Bargs is putting up a TS of 55 on a USG of 21. It’s not so so different. Obviously Bargnani’s +/- numbers are horrific, but hopefully at least some of that is just small sample stuff.

      I for one think there is a silver lining to all this– 1st, I think it will show Woody that small ball is the way to go. 2nd, it will keep 20 games of wear/tear off Chandler’s body and maybe, just maybe, he’ll actually be healthy and in top form in April-May.

      Or I could be wrong and we could fall off the map these next 4-6 weeks. But I don’t think so.

    18. Frank

      Mike Kurylo
      Post author
      November 8, 2013 at 12:18 pm
      BTW off-topic, but anyone with browser/phone/tablet/C64 modem issues see any improvements?

      MUCH better (on iPhone)! thanks Mike!

    19. Hubert

      Owen November 8, 2013 at 12:00 am

      I will say, watching Houston is very frustrating. The way Morey has put that team together is my own private fantasy for the Knicks. Harden and Howard. Ton of complementary players.

      They could win it all this year.

      Also awesome to watch, though ridiculously turnover prone….

      Interesting opinion.

      People love to suck off Morey and Presti, but (leaving Presti aside) all I see Morey has done is build a tragically flawed team that has the same 2nd round ceiling we do.

      Granted, I would rather be in Houston’s position than ours, but jeez. That team cannot win it all. Not a chance.

      And I love how everyone is so forgiving of Harden’s god-awful defense because he’s so efficient. Melo is at least mediocre defensively, sometimes better (like when he’s hauling in 17 rebounds the other night). Are we sure the extra efficiency compensates for arguably the worst defense of any challenger for a top 10 NBA spot?

    20. Frank

      btw from 3/14/13 to 4/17/13 (Tyson played minimally during that period of time), our rebounding was basically indistinguishable from our whole-year rebounding numbers – TRB 48.2 vs. 49, ORB basically 25. I’m not saying that we don’t need Tyson – just saying that maybe, just maybe, these doomsday predictions are a little premature.

      I’m actually more worried about Amare’s game than missing Tyson for 20 games. Obviously I think we’ll overall be worse off without Tyson, but if that means more Amare and he’s going to keep playing like this, that’ll be a doubly whammy. I agree with Frank O that Amare needs more minutes to get his rhythm back, but I’d MUCH rather have him get those minutes with the Erie Bayhawks than with the New York Knicks. Right now he’s every bit as terrible as Bargnani.

    21. Frank

      People love to suck off Morey and Presti, but (leaving Presti aside) all I see Morey has done is build a tragically flawed team that has the same 2nd round ceiling we do.

      Not sure what to make of Houston. They have some tragically terrible defenders in the backcourt, but amazing rim protection with Howard and Asik. Will be interesting to see whether they can defend really good offenses well enough to make noise deep in the playoffs.

      by the way — THCJ wrote this in another thread:

      You should have seen the look on Ms. Jowles’s face when that Ladies Night promotion came on.

      It was like, “Wait. Basketball isn’t enough for these people? And wine at a basketball game? Who does that?”

      Then she talked about how stupid giving up in-the-paint shot opportunities for nebulously conceptual floor spacing is.

      Naturally these are small samples– BUT:
      Dwight Howard on floor, Asik off: Team ORtg 117, DRtg 103
      Asik on floor, Howard off: Team ORTg 112, DRtg 103
      Howard and Asik both on floor: Team ORtg 88, DRtg 102
      seems maybe like a bad idea to have them both on the floor.

      btw James Harden’s TS for the year: 62.5
      James Harden’s TS with both Howard/Asik on the floor = 35.1
      how could that possibly be?

      (small samples, of course)

    22. Z

      Since we’re rehashing ex-Knick bigs who played somewhat competently in garbage time, is Jerome Jordan otherwise spoken for these days?

    23. MSA

      If is just some really tall guy who can rebound and block some shots what we need maybe Hamed Haddadi…

    24. DRed

      Haddadi would seem to be a reasonable target. Terrible on offense, but obviously we’re not finding players with no flaws at this stage of the game. He’s a free agent?

    25. KnickfaninNJ

      Your description of Haddadi is exactly the same as I would given of Aldrich. Why do you think he is better than Aldrich?

    26. flossy

      Granted, I would rather be in Houston’s position than ours, but jeez. That team cannot win it all. Not a chance.

      Are you serious? Come on, Houston is absolutely a contender. They are already extremely good; if/when they flip Asik for a better-fitting piece of comparable value they’ll be a juggernaut. Both the Rockets and Knicks have turned over their entire roster since summer 2010. One franchise gave a master class in how to rebuild without tanking; the other is the Knicks.

    27. thenamestsam

      Dwight Howard on floor, Asik off: Team ORtg 117, DRtg 103
      Asik on floor, Howard off: Team ORTg 112, DRtg 103
      Howard and Asik both on floor: Team ORtg 88, DRtg 102
      seems maybe like a bad idea to have them both on the floor.

      Dude, I’m finding those numbers a little nebulously conceptual.

      On Houston as a whole, Harden’s defense has remained atrocious from what I’ve seen (seriously, click that link) and I tend to agree that their current roster can’t quite win a title. But the big and obvious difference between them and the Knicks is that they still have serious moves left in them. They have a really good non-essential chip in Asik even with the ugly salary bump next year, and between Lin and Beverley they could afford to move a PG too. I think an Asik-Beverley package could potentially bring back a player that would bump them up a leve. Could they get LMA for those two? Do they have enough to swing a Love trade, maybe my including Parsons? Other than trading Shump (knock on wood) it’s hard to see the Knicks doing much other than tinkering for the next two years. Houston’s roster is still potentially a work in progress.

    28. DRed

      I don’t think Haddadi is better than Aldrich. I think if we’re going small (2 PGs, Melo at the 4) we want a center who can play defense and rebound, not a mildly efficient, defensive non-entity who rebounds like a point guard.

    29. Hubert

      flossy November 8, 2013 at 2:04 pm

      One franchise gave a master class in how to rebuild without tanking; the other is the Knicks.

      And both teams are going to be lucky to make the 2nd round.

    30. nicos

      Mike Kurylo
      Post author
      November 8, 2013 at 11:38 am

      I hate that we’re thinking about bottom of the barrel guys. This is where you find a young guy that might be something. (Copeland, Novak, Lin, etc.)

      I think the young guy they really want is Tyler and they’re just looking for someone for the next 3-4 weeks until he’s ready to go and probably prefer a known commodity. I’m with you though, why not grab the most promising young big in the d-league (it’s not like Tyler isn’t still a project at this point anyway) and see what happens.

    31. flossy

      And both teams are going to be lucky to make the 2nd round.

      I seriously doubt that Houston will have trouble making the 2nd round. Dwight is MVP-worthy when not injured (strike last season from the record), Harden is the best scoring guard in the league, and they have nice complimentary pieces and flexibility to make further moves.

    32. domiknick

      “Woodson also acknowledges fact that Knicks will likely use more double teams defensively now without Chandler playing.”

      Oh joy.

    33. KnickfaninNJ

      “Woodson also acknowledges fact that Knicks will likely use more double teams defensively now without Chandler playing.”

      Oh joy.

      It might actually be better than all the switching. When the MWP, Shumpert and Prigioni are on the floor together the double teams seem to be very good and to force turnovers.

    34. Mike Kurylo Post author

      I think the young guy they really want is Tyler and they’re just looking for someone for the next 3-4 weeks until he’s ready to go and probably prefer a known commodity. I’m with you though, why not grab the most promising young big in the d-league (it’s not like Tyler isn’t still a project at this point anyway) and see what happens.

      If that’s true, then that is unbelievably idiotic. Like there is a limit of how many good young players you can develop on a team per year. They can develop Aldrich and try another guy, and then cut them when Tyler is ready.

      It’s like playing chess against someone who just needs you to move your knight to mate you. They think they’re being clever with their queen and bishop aligned on the other diagonal, but they’re missing out on the action everywhere else because they’re so tied up in what they think will lead to victory.

      I wouldn’t be surprised, the Knicks have historically been that narrow sighted once they’ve locked in. How many times has it been rumored that they’re going to acquire someone, and they end up over-paying because that’s what they planned on doing?

    35. flossy

      Harden is the best scoring guard in the league

      Wade is better than Harden

      At scoring? Nope, not any more… not even close, really.

    36. Hubert

      I’m open to some interesting bets on Houston going one round farther than the Knicks this year in the playoffs (i.e. I don’t think they will).

    37. Will the Thrill

      I’m open to some interesting bets on Houston going one round farther than the Knicks this year in the playoffs (i.e. I don’t think they will).

      Does Houston losing in the first round and us not making the playoffs constitute one round further (Just kidding, I hope)?

    38. max fisher-cohen

      Houston is a bad bet because they have a Lakers level potential for drama with all the headcases on the roster and a coach who lacks experience managing personalities. They are extremely combustible. I could see them winning a title as easily as I could see them losing in the first round.

      There are also a few wild card teams in the west that could be way better than we expect — Minnesota, Golden State, Dallas — even New Orleans and Denver as weak as they’ve started out. There are ten teams in the west that have at least some chance of catching fire and getting to 50+ wins (the aforementioned 5 plus OKC, SAS, Memphis, LAC, Houston).

      OTOH, the east is at best 7 deep and that’s if Detroit and Cleveland really come together, which to me is a longer shot than most of the secondary WC teams. That means that Houston is almost guaranteed to have a tough first round matchup, and depending on injuries to other teams, they could end up facing a top 3 team even if they manage home court.

      Swap their conferences though, and I highly doubt NY makes the playoffs while Houston would more or less be guaranteed a second round appearance.

    39. Owen

      A healthy Wade is competitive with Harden. But Wade is never really healthy anymore.

      Houston is high beta. But they have the upside to make the Finals I believe….

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