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Knicks Morning News (2013.11.07)

  • [New York Daily News] Wood Mike Worry? Knicks coach says no concern for his job (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 04:43:31 GMT)
    James Dolan was a no-show on Tuesday night at Madison Square Garden so Mike Woodson’s night wasn’t a full-fledged disaster. There is no telling how Dolan, the Garden chairman, would have reacted immediately following a 102-97 loss to the undermanned Charlotte Bobcats, a game that saw Tyson Chandler suffer a fractured right leg that will sideline the center for four to six weeks.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: No backup plan now an issue front and center (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 04:26:05 GMT)
    The only thing possibly worse than the Knicks City Dancers not being allowed to perform is Tyson Chandler not being able to take the court for the Knicks for upwards of the next six weeks. This is where the Knicks find themselves now, standing precariously at the edge of the Chase Bridge and looking down into the abyss.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ Chandler has fracture in his leg, out 4-to-6 weeks (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 03:25:43 GMT)
    Knicks center Tyson Chandler will miss the next four to six weeks after fracturing his right leg in the first half of Tuesday’s loss to the Charlotte Bobcats, the club announced Wednesday. According to the Knicks, Chandler suffered a small non-displaced fracture of the right fibula after colliding with Bobcats guard Kemba Walker.    

  • [New York Times] Perfect Pacers Pull Away From Bulls for 97-80 Win (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:32:47 GMT)
    Indiana is off to the perfect start.    

  • [New York Times] Durant, Westbrook Lead OKC Past Dallas 107-93 (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 05:32:28 GMT)
    Kevin Durant had 23 points and 10 assists, and Russell Westbrook scored 22 points as Oklahoma City pulled away in the second half for a 107-93 victory over Dallas on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Bench Is Key as Pacers Beat Bulls to Go to 5-0 (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 04:47:07 GMT)
    Luis Scola, Donald Sloan and Lance Stephenson accounted for all the points in a decisive 12-2 run, thwarting a late charge by the Bulls and sending the Pacers to a 97-80 home victory.    

  • [New York Times] Parker Leads Spurs to Hectic Win Over Suns (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 04:17:06 GMT)
    Tony Parker scored 15 of San Antonio’s final 16 points and the Spurs withstood a hectic finish to beat the Phoenix Suns 99-96 on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Mayo Leads Bucks Over Cavs (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 04:14:06 GMT)
    O.J. Mayo scored 28 points, including six 3-pointers, and Gary Neal had 12 of his 23 points in the fourth quarter as the short-handed Milwaukee Bucks held off the Cleveland Cavaliers 109-104 on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Perfect Pacers Pull Away Late From Bulls 97-80 (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 04:04:57 GMT)
    Indiana spent the offseason investing heavily in its bench.    

  • [New York Times] Pelicans Build Early Lead, Beat Grizzlies 99-84 (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 03:56:19 GMT)
    Eric Gordon scored 19 points, Anthony Davis added 18 points and nine rebounds and the New Orleans Pelicans beat the Memphis Grizzlies 99-84 on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Thompson Scores 30 to Lead Warriors Over Wolves (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 03:34:51 GMT)
    Klay Thompson scored 19 of his 30 points in the fourth quarter and Harrison Barnes scored 14 points in his season debut to help the Golden State Warriors to a 106-93 victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Celtics Beat Jazz 97-87 for Stevens’ First NBA Win (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 03:17:26 GMT)
    Brandon Bass scored 20 points and Jeff Green added 18 to lead the Boston Celtics to their first win of the season, 97-87 over the Utah Jazz on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Henderson Scores 23, Bobcats Beat Raptors 92-90 (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 03:17:21 GMT)
    Gerald Henderson broke out of his shooting slump with a season-high 23 points, and the surprising Charlotte Bobcats defeated the Toronto Raptors 92-90 Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Vucevic Scores 30, Magic Hold Off Clippers 98-90 (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 03:02:09 GMT)
    Nik Vucevic had 30 points — including six free throws in the final 23 seconds — and 21 rebounds to help the Orlando Magic hold on for a 98-90 victory over the Los Angeles Clippers on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Wall Leads Wizards Over Sixers for First Win (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 02:32:07 GMT)
    John Wall scored 24 points, Marcin Gortat had 19 points and 12 rebounds, and the Washington Wizards beat the Philadelphia 76ers 116-102 on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Chandler’s Leg Fracture Leaves Knicks Thin in the Post (Thu, 07 Nov 2013 01:49:33 GMT)
    The Knicks, already struggling on defense, face another obstacle without center Tyson Chandler, who is expected to miss four to six weeks but is not expected to need surgery.    

  • 88 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2013.11.07)

    1. Nick C.

      The Times article mentions an interview Woodson gave Wednesday saying they will go to small ball with Prigs and Felton in the backcourt, yay, and Bargnani at C, boo. I really hope Aldrich gets at least 10 minutes, if not why have him on the roster? This also kinda definitely disproves all the claims that Bargnani is or at least will be a PF/SF or SF or plays the same position as Gallo did or Novak did as was claimed/speculated in the pre-season.

    2. d-mar

      Kemba Walker 2-13 yesterday, I guess that’s what happens when someone actually guards you (or doesn’t switch a PF or C onto you)

    3. DRed

      They have to at least try Cole. Obviously, he could suck, but Woodson seems to have no problem letting mini-cock go out there and stink up the court for 20 minutes a night, so his refusal to use Aldrich makes no sense at this point.

    4. johnno

      For those of us who are in a state of panic over early season results — last night, the Bulls (now 1-3) got killed by the Pacers, the Clippers lost to the Magic, the Grizzlies got blown out by the Pelicans and the Spurs barely squeaked by the Suns.

    5. flossy

      This also kinda definitely disproves all the claims that Bargnani is or at least will be a PF/SF or SF or plays the same position as Gallo did or Novak did as was claimed/speculated in the pre-season.

      I don’t recall anyone claiming or speculating that Tyson Chandler would immediately go down with a 4-6 week injury, do you? Nobody expected Chris Copeland to log any minutes at Center when we signed him, either, but shit happens.

    6. thenamestsam

      They have to at least try Cole. Obviously, he could suck, but Woodson seems to have no problem letting mini-cock go out there and stink up the court for 20 minutes a night, so his refusal to use Aldrich makes no sense at this point.

      I’m as critical of Woody as anybody but c’mon man. His refusal to play Cole? What refusal? They haven’t played a game yet since Tyson got hurt. He hasn’t played anyone or not played anyone yet. This is obviously going to cause a massive upheaval in the rotation at least in the short run. Lets give Woody a few practices and a game or two to figure out how he wants to handle it before we condemn him as an idiot.

    7. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Sometimes I think I’m overstating the obvious when I suggest that Cole Aldrich should see major minutes. But then I read Mitch Lawrence’s column and he doesn’t mention Aldrich once.

      That’s the disconnect that had me start up this blog.

    8. DRed

      I’m as critical of Woody as anybody but c’mon man. His refusal to play Cole? What refusal? They haven’t played a game yet since Tyson got hurt. He hasn’t played anyone or not played anyone yet. This is obviously going to cause a massive upheaval in the rotation at least in the short run. Lets give Woody a few practices and a game or two to figure out how he wants to handle it before we condemn him as an idiot.

      Well, I think he should have been getting minutes since game 1, since he’s the only healthy and reliable center on the roster aside from Chandler. So Woody has refused to play him. Yesterday he said he had to start Bargs at center going forward because the only other options are on minute limits. That implies Aldrich is not an option, which makes you wonder why he is even on the roster at all. Woody has had no problem giving playing time to useless players like Bargnani, Cock-JR, and James White, so I don’t understand why it would be that difficult for him to imagine throwing Cole some PT.

    9. johnno

      A bunch of years ago, the Mets signed a backup outfielder (I wish I could remember who) who had been in the majors for about 12 years and played for about 8 different teams. A reporter asked him why he thought that he had been able to stick in the majors for so many years and he responded, “Because I’m an established mediocre player. Teams know what they’ll get from me. I’ll do whatever they want and do a decent job at it.” Why do I bring this up? Because, apparently, Earl Barron is back from China and would be “excited” to hear from the Knicks. I have a fondness for Earl (probably unwarranted, but still…), so I wish that they would sign him and cut Chris Smith.

    10. Hubert

      So, continuing along the lines of recognizing we played our best ball last year after Tyson got hurt and we all thought it was over….

      In trying to recreate that, the two key things we’re missing are Martin and Copeland at C. Yes, we still have Martin, but we can’t play him as much as we did then. We’ll try Bargnani in the Copeland role, and it’s very likely that he won’t be nearly as good at it.

      As Mike K has put forth, Aldrich is the prime guy to try to give us what Martin gave us; but here’s a maybe-not-as-crazy-as-it-sounds idea to replace Copeland:

      Metta World Peace at Center in small lineups with Pablo, Felton, JR or Shump, and Melo.

      Martin and Aldrich get the other Center minutes. Udrih rotates with the two PG’s. Artest spells Melo when he’s not playing Center.

    11. thenamestsam

      Well, I think he should have been getting minutes since game 1, since he’s the only healthy and reliable center on the roster aside from Chandler. So Woody has refused to play him. Yesterday he said he had to start Bargs at center going forward because the only other options are on minute limits. That implies Aldrich is not an option, which makes you wonder why he is even on the roster at all. Woody has had no problem giving playing time to useless players like Bargnani, Cock-JR, and James White, so I don’t understand why it would be that difficult for him to imagine throwing Cole some PT.

      I find Cole intriguing as well but I think you’re going way too far here. Cole Aldrich is not a “reliable” center. His career high for minutes in a season is 388. He’s not a reliable anything. He’s a project who has shown a few intriguing things in extremely limited NBA action. I don’t think the 15th man on the roster not getting any burn in the first 4 games constitutes a stubborn refusal.

      If Woody says screw it and decides to start Aldrich and play him 30 minutes a night do you realize that he might match all of the minutes he has played in the NBA over 3 seasons just in the few weeks until Tyson gets back? Cole should absolutely get some burn now that Tyson is out, and if he doesn’t there will be a real reason to question Woody, but I just can’t get on the train that says this guy should all the sudden be our starting center b/c he has halfway decent per 36 numbers as a 5 minute a game guy.

    12. thenamestsam

      Metta World Peace at Center in small lineups with Pablo, Felton, JR or Shump, and Melo

      I don’t hate this idea in theory, but it’s all about using it wisely and that’s where we run into the Woody problem. I think that kind of lineup can be effective if used when teams have defense only centers in the game (a large percentage of backups Cs in the league) and especially against bad (poorly coached) teams. For example, try it on Friday when Jeff Adrien is in the game for the Bobcats and I bet they try to force the ball into him on the post for at least a few possessions. I’ll take my chances with that matchup.

      Good teams would probably deal with it easily enough, and it would obviously be suicidal to use it when other teams have centers with real post games in, but I think it could hold up in the right situations assuming Melo and Shump hit the glass hard.

    13. MarcusRinaldi

      How has the half-pipe not been dropped yet in pursuit of another center?? They at least need to pick somebody up to be there in emergency. We cannot burn out Martin this early in the year. Ugh Ugh Ugh come on Mr.New GM.. Do us something good.

    14. DRed

      I find Cole intriguing as well but I think you’re going way too far here. Cole Aldrich is not a “reliable” center. His career high for minutes in a season is 388. He’s not a reliable anything. He’s a project who has shown a few intriguing things in extremely limited NBA action. I don’t think the 15th man on the roster not getting any burn in the first 4 games constitutes a stubborn refusal.

      Reliable as in he’s young and doesn’t have chronic injury problems, which makes him more reliable than the rest of the bigs on the roster. We know we can’t rely on Stat and Kenyon because of their injury history. Bargs has actually missed more games than Stat over the last two seasons, and is almost certainly worse at playing NBA center than Aldrich. So why not play him? I’m not saying that he’s going to be good, or even decent, but considering we’re already giving minutes to useless players why not see what we’ve got?

    15. flossy

      Well, I think he should have been getting minutes since game 1, since he’s the only healthy and reliable center on the roster aside from Chandler. So Woody has refused to play him. Yesterday he said he had to start Bargs at center going forward because the only other options are on minute limits. That implies Aldrich is not an option, which makes you wonder why he is even on the roster at all. Woody has had no problem giving playing time to useless players like Bargnani, Cock-JR, and James White, so I don’t understand why it would be that difficult for him to imagine throwing Cole some PT.

      James White was given a one-way ticket out of town at the end of last season. Chris Smith hasn’t played a single NBA minute. Bargnani is a frustrating case, but I would hardly call it unusual for a coach to feel some pressure to give playing time (in the first four games of the season) to a player making $11 m/year who was the centerpiece of the team’s offseason moves, and no pressure to play the 15th man on the roster who has played 700 NBA minutes total over his career.

      I find it hard to imagine Aldrich will get no burn whatsoever with Tyson out (and if so, Woodson will have some ‘splainin to do), but I also don’t think it’s crazy that a head coach might not say “well obviously I’m now going to start our 15th man and hope his extremely limited NBA track record proves predictive.” That’s an easy call to make if you’re just sitting at your desk perusing basketball-reference.com; not so much if you’re actually the head coach of the Knicks.

    16. flossy

      So why not play him? I’m not saying that he’s going to be good, or even decent, but considering we’re already giving minutes to useless players why not see what we’ve got?

      Again, why the assumption that he will not play? All we know is that he will not start.

    17. Frank

      well, Woody is now saying the Aldrich will need to be ready to play and that they’re going to look at FA bigs. And that Bargnani is going to play 30+ min/game. Let’s see what those +/- numbers look like as this sample gets bigger. Hopefully not too ugly.

      And sounds like PP+Felton will be starting again, with Beno as the 3rd guard. Sounds good to me.

      btw if they bring in some stopgap big and drop Toure Murry for him (ie. keeping Chris Smith rather than the guy who looks like he’s really got some potential), I don’t even know what I’ll do. It’s probably too much to ask of myself to not watch this team anymore, but that will really be amazing.

    18. Nick C.

      I don’t recall anyone claiming or speculating that Tyson Chandler would immediately go down with a 4-6 week injury, do you? Nobody expected Chris Copeland to log any minutes at Center when we signed him, either, but shit happens.

      You’re avoiding the larger question but whatever, I just responded since you took the time. It’s neither here nor there now that the games began and we have real things to “talk” about rather than idle speculation.

    19. JK47

      Andrea Bargnani is about to become one of the most infamous Knicks of all time. They are going to be a terrible team with Bargnani starting and playing 30+ minutes at center, and it’s going to ugly and depressing to watch. This is like a nightmare unfolding in slow motion to me, as Bargnani was one of my least favorite players in the NBA even before the trade. I can see this train wreck coming a mile away– this team is going to be like 6-14 after 20 games.

      They weren’t even good WITH Chandler.

    20. d-mar

      Looking forward to the Bargani-D. Howard matchup on November 14th and the Bargnani-Hibbert matchup on 11/20.

    21. DRed

      Looking forward to the Bargani-D. Howard matchup on November 14th and the Bargnani-Hibbert matchup on 11/20.

      Um, Hibbert is why we got Bargnani. Bargs is going to take him out of the paint and we’re going to win easily.

    22. Donnie Walsh

      Looking forward to the Bargani-D. Howard matchup on November 14th and the Bargnani-Hibbert matchup on 11/20.

      Historically, it hasn’t fared too well: vs Howard he’s been out-scored 25.5 to 14 and out-rebounded 12 to 4.5. (And in their 5 game playoff series Howard out-rebounded him by 17 rebounds per game!!!)

      (But as for Hibbert, Bargnani has historically owned him, out-rebounding him 5 – 4.8!)

    23. JK47

      I was reading an article about Woodson on RealGm– some of you guys have probably read it– and came across this gem:

      “Woodson has been willing to go along with Dolan’s ways such as having a Garden employee follow him everywhere he goes, including when meeting with family and friends outside the locker room on a road trip.”

      Wait a minute, what? He has to have a Garden employee follow him around, including when meeting with family and friends? What is this, Scientology?

      James Dolan is a bizarre man.

    24. Hubert

      Jesus. I may not like the thought process that goes into his lineup selections, but no one deserves that crap. James Dolan is losing his mind.

    25. Owen

      Um, Hibbert is why we got Bargnani. Bargs is going to take him out of the paint and we’re going to win easily.

      Too easy?

      Was about to write the same thing.

      But seriously, this will all turn out better than we expect. We will be laughing at our petty nihilism two months from now….

    26. DRed

      James Dolan is a paranoid, insecure, petty bullying piece of shit who runs the Knicks like they were North Korea. He’s a legitimately awful guy. If you were Lebron, why would you come play for a shithead like James Dolan?

    27. Owen

      James Dolan is a paranoid, insecure, petty bullying piece of shit who runs the Knicks like they were North Korea. He’s a legitimately awful guy. If you were Lebron, why would you come play for shithead like James Dolan?

      +1

    28. BigBlueAL

      Forget why would LeBron come here, why would any decent head coach want to coach here under those conditions.

    29. max fisher-cohen

      If we’re going to go after a FA big, my vote is for Sean Williams. He was really good in the little time he got in Dallas last year.

    30. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Anyone knows why they don’t have Amar’e on a bike to stay loose before he goes in?

      My understanding is because it’s not a muscle issue. It’s a cartilage issue. That would be like solving a squeaky wheel by turning it more. You’d just be grinding the gears more.

    31. yellowboy90

      Yeah , I guess. The overall problem is his knees but I was thinking as away to get him better acclimated into games right away if he wasn’t so cold. Roll out an upper hand ergometer or something.

    32. Bison

      In the previous thread, Brian Cronin wrote (#84):

      Tyson Chandler goes out for possibly six weeks and we’re discussing a completely unrelated player on a different team. Too silly.

      Perhaps silly to you, but to me the possible acquisition of a new player is a completely legitimate response to Tyson’s injury.

      Brian Cronin also wrote (#81):

      There is no plausible way that it could happen. It’s done. It’s
      over. Theoretically they could maybe sign him in 2015 (doubtful, but theoretically possible) but there is absolutely no plausible way that they could trade for him this season.

      No plausible way to get Lin? I disagree.

      For example: we get Lin and Asik from Houston; Portland gets Tyson; and Houston gets Lamarcus Aldridge. The salaries should match properly.

      Portland has needed a legit center for a long time; Tyson would fit perfectly with Lillard and Batum. LMA has been making quiet unhappy noises for a while, so the Blazers should be happy to get something for him.

      Aldridge would be a perfect fit next to Dwight and Harden; Houston should be delighted.

      And we would get a center who is almost as good as Tyson and a lot younger and healthier. Asik may actually be better in some ways (such as rebounding), and his presence in the defensive paint should make Hibbert worry. And of course we get Lin back, better than ever. Finally, a reliable second option next to Melo.

    33. dtrickey

      I think before us experts get too carried away, we should probably just wait and see what the coaching staff does before we write them off. Loosing an important cog puts you on the back foot as far as re-tooling on the fly, so I am content to give Woody a few practices and games to adjust.

      As far as the AB debate that continues to rage on, granted he hasn’t played stellar ball yet, it will be interesting to see what he can praduce in 30+ minutes. I think a lot of his struggles can be atributed to the big chunk of summer he missed with illness. I’m not trying to make excuses, but I can’t imagine most players just automaticlally clicking in a new system especially after being sidlined during the first part of the off season.

      In regard to the above AB v Dwight/Hibbert much up, I was under the impression that part of the reasoning (yes I’m sure some was involved, but I’ll leave that one alone) was so he could take post monsters like Dwight and Hibbert away from the basket………..like what we were all demanding happen in the playoffs last year.

    34. Kahnzy

      This constant harping on Lin is actually rather entertaining. I think Bison might have a bigger man-crush on Lin than Ruru does on Melo.

      Also, I can’t tell if you’re being serious Bison, or just trolling. Either way it’s funny.

    35. Bison

      @Kahnzy (#37)

      This constant harping on Lin is actually rather entertaining. I think Bison might have a bigger man-crush on Lin than Ruru does on Melo.

      At least I’m thinking outside the box.

      Also, I can’t tell if you’re being serious Bison, or just trolling. Either way it’s funny.

      Having nothing to say, you of course go ad hominem.

    36. thenamestsam

      Yup, the obvious response to a center getting hurt is to trade for a PG. Makes perfect sense. And it’s totally realistic to acquire Lin, all that has to happen is Portland being willing to trade Lamarcus Aldridge for a 31 year old Tyson Chandler who’s currently sitting out with a broken leg.

      Ask yourself this question: If Jeremy Lin hadn’t played for the Knicks previously would you every be bringing him up as a trade target? Obviously not. That’s why it’s silly.

    37. Owen

      Well, it’s also silly because Dolan would never allow it to happen.

      Paul George is pretty good isn’t he? I wish my Carmelo for George trade had gone through….

    38. Bison

      @thenamestsam (#39)

      Yup, the obvious response to a center getting hurt is to trade for a PG. Makes perfect sense.

      Of course getting Asik and Lin makes perfect sense. It seems you were in such a hurry to ridicule my post that you totally missed a 7’1″ monster who proved himself last year to be one of the best defensive bigs in the world. I suggest you get your eyes checked.

      And it’s totally realistic to acquire Lin, all that has to happen is Portland being willing to trade Lamarcus Aldridge for a 31 year old Tyson Chandler who’s currently sitting out with a broken leg.

      I stated my reasoning. You have clearly not understood it.

      Ask yourself this question: If Jeremy Lin hadn’t played for the Knicks previously would you every be bringing him up as a trade target? Obviously not. That’s why it’s silly.

      But Linsanity did happen. If you don’t want a PG who has a 0.663 TS%, has outstanding vision, and is scoring 17.4 points per 36 minutes on extremely low usage, then you are beyond silly.

      FG% – Felton 0.396 Lin 0.533
      3P% – Felton 0.214 Lin 0.429

    39. Owen

      It’s not about not wanting him. It just isn’t happening. Which seems to be obvious to everyone but you…

    40. Brian Cronin

      Oh man, did you see this point guard on Cleveland, Kyrie Irving? He would be great on the Knicks. Maybe they can trade Tim Hardaway and Tyson Chandler for Irving and Anderson Varajao.

      You know, so long as we’re talking impossible trade scenarios.

    41. flossy

      But Linsanity did happen. If you don’t want a PG who has a 0.663 TS%, has outstanding vision, and is scoring 17.4 points per 36 minutes on extremely low usage, then you are beyond silly.

      FG% – Felton 0.396 Lin 0.533
      3P% – Felton 0.214 Lin 0.429

      Five games, bro. Those numbers do not mean anything. Not even Jeremy Lin’s mom thinks that Jeremy Lin can keep that up for a full season. But, as has repeatedly been pointed out to you, this is all irrelevant because a) the owner of our team has a personal grudge against Lin and b) the star player of our team didn’t particularly like playing with/sharing the spotlight with him. So he’s not coming back. Period. End of story. Sorry. Polluting every Knickerblogger thread with Jeremy Lin fantasies won’t change that, but it will annoy the ever-loving shit out of everyone else. So give it a rest.

    42. Bison

      @Own (#40)

      Well, [getting Lin is] also silly because Dolan would never allow it to happen.

      As I said in the previous thread: the prospect of missing the playoffs may concentrate even Dolan’s mind.

    43. Owen

      Bison – You think a guy who gets angry and decides to take it out on his team’s cheerleaders, probably the most elite unit in the organization, is really going to consider admitting and undoing one of his mistakes?

      You think he will get that focused?

    44. Donnie Walsh

      You think a guy who gets angry and decides to take it out on his team’s cheerleaders, probably the most elite unit in the organization, is really going to consider admitting and undoing one of his mistakes?

      Hahaha. That’s awesome. (Yes, they were very good at moving without the ball.)

    45. Bison

      @flossy (#44)

      Five games, bro. Those numbers do not mean anything. Not even Jeremy Lin’s mom thinks that Jeremy Lin can keep that up for a full season.

      Of course. But Lin did maintain a 0.562 TS% over the final 41 games of last season. And he is far better this year.

      You don’t think Lin’s playmaking, dribble penetration, 3 point shooting, et cetera would help Melo?

      Look flossy, we are currently 23rd in offensive rating. That is awful even for making the playoffs, never mind challenging for a championship. We need help. Do I see creative suggestions here? No, all I see are people hoping that Cole Aldrich might not trip over his own feet the next few games. And other people are stomping all over anybody who dares to think outside the box. Sometimes I despair.

      But, as has repeatedly been pointed out to you, this is all irrelevant because a) the owner of our team has a personal grudge against Lin and b) the star player of our team didn’t particularly like playing with/sharing the spotlight with him. So he’s not coming back. Period. End of story.

      As I have answered each time: You never know. The prospect of missing the playoffs may concentrate even Dolan’s mind. And a lot of losing may change Melo’s opinion of Lin.

      Sorry. Polluting every Knickerblogger thread with Jeremy Lin fantasies won’t change that, but it will annoy the ever-loving shit out of everyone else. So give it a rest.

      That you call it “pollution” tells me that you aren’t really interested in solving the Knicks’ problems.

    46. Brian Cronin

      lol man i wish games were every other day

      It really is funny how we know that it is better for the team not to play so much but damned if it isn’t annoying as hell to have to wait so long between games.

    47. Kahnzy

      Having nothing to say, you of course go ad hominem.

      There’s really nothing to say. You seem to be the only one under the absurd impression that
      1) there is any realistic trade scenario where we get Lin back
      and
      2)Lin is some reincarnation of Oscar Robertson and/or Magic Johnson that will magically turn around the S.S. Craptastic ship that be sinking

      Don’t get me wrong, I loved Linsanity as much as the next guy (unless the next guy is you, in which case you can win this one), and I was not overly thrilled when we let him walk and brought back Felton as his replacement. While Felton’s not been an all-star here, he’s been pretty good and we saw last year when he went out with his hand injury just how integral he is to this team.

      Point is, as many others have already pointed out, Lin is not coming back and even if he did, what we would have to give up to get him back would amount to a net negative for this team, not a positive.

      Anywho, as entertaining is this talk has been I think Knickerblogger would best be served by containing discussions and debates to reality, not fantasy. Otherwise, we may as well shoot for the moon and go for Chris Paul as a PG to replace our only center.

    48. Brian Cronin

      Chris Paul WS/48: .365
      Raymond Felton WS/48: .078

      What the fuck are the Knicks waiting for already? Get this shit done, Dolan!

      No one out here is worried about fixing the Knicks. I am. I think they should trade for Chris Paul. Get it done, Dolan!

    49. Bison

      @Owen (#42)

      It’s not about not wanting him. It just isn’t happening. Which seems to be obvious to everyone but you…

      Why not counter my arguments with, well, better arguments? As opposed to simply making assertions ex cathedra and pretending to be infallible. I wrote a trade proposal; I suggest you read it.

      @Owen (#47)

      Bison — You think a guy who gets angry and decides to take it out on his team’s cheerleaders, probably the most elite unit in the organization, is really going to consider admitting and undoing one of his mistakes?

      At least that’s funny.

    50. Z-man

      Bison, your crush on Jerry East makes ruru’s thing for Melo pale in comparison.

      And obviously the “Irishman” is gonna favor St. Patrick Beverley over a non-countryman.

      On a serious note, though, Lin looks pretty good so far, his shot is looking smoother. Still can’t go left, though!

    51. Owen

      I mean what else can I say? There is absolutely no way that trading an injured Chandler could net us Lin. Your trade proposals are farfetched. And on top of that, there is no way that our knucklehead owner would ever allow it.

      And cosign what Kahnzy said. I loved Linsanity. And I would much rather have kept him. I much prefer him to most of our players.

      But he isn’t coming back.

      There is, I am afraid, a statute of limitations to discussing these things. Which is why I don’t post about David Lee and Danilo Gallinari and Ty Lawson and Ken Faried every day. Linsanity was a long time ago. I appreciate you love him and want him back. But no need to torture yourself over it and all of us….

    52. Bison

      @Owen (#55)

      I mean what else can I say? There is absolutely no way that trading an injured Chandler could net us Lin. Your trade proposals are farfetched. And on top of that, there is no way that our knucklehead owner would ever allow it.

      You’re making more ex cathedra assertions; you should couch them in Latin.

    53. bobneptune

      Woody needs to channel his inner Don Nelson. They don’t have a conventional option for the 5 or even the 4/5 combo without Chandler.

      Bargs at the 5 had a per of a nice crisp 7 last season while his opponent played to a 17 according to ESPN via 82games. They need to play Melo/Metta at the 4/5 primarily and surround them with shump, jr, felton, prigs, hardaway (?)namely their best 3 ball shooters and throw the ball into Melo every time down the floor and let him operate surrounded by 3 ball threats.

      Guard the perimeter aggressively , low turnover rate on offense and make an ass load of 3’s. They are going to get killed on the glass and defending the rim no matter who they put on the floor, so they might as well play nellie-ball and try to win 122-118 cause they sure can’t win 90-87.

    54. flossy

      That you call it “pollution” tells me that you aren’t really interested in solving the Knicks’ problems.

      Interested in solving the Knicks problems? Do I sound like Steve Mills to you? Or Dolan’s shrink? Or Carmelo Anthony? Those are probably the only 3 people in the world who might be able make your “Jeremy Lin to Knicks” fantasy come true. And that’s what it is. A fantasy. Regardless of whether it would theoretically improve the Knicks (which, probably, it would! Lin is definitely better than Felton, no argument here). It will NEVER EVER HAPPEN EVER. No, the prospect of missing the playoffs will not focus James Dolan’s mind. What rock have you been living under? The Knicks missed the playoffs for YEARS and it only focused Dolan’s mind on employing Isiah Thomas, trading for Marbury, Curry, Steve Francis etc. etc. The only thing that “focused his mind” in a positive direction was being literally forced by David Stern to employ Donnie Walsh for a spell. And if the NBA commissioner intervenes to force a player to the Knicks, I sure hope he does better than Jeremy Lin, no offense. Indeed, I’d like to throw my lot in with the “Chris Paul to the Knicks” crowd.

    55. Z

      Sorry, y’all. I think it was my reference to Linsanity yesterday that triggered this. (I was only citing it in reference to the team rallying in the face of injury:)

      As somebody who was devastated by Dolan’s decision not to match Lin, I can say that as much as I’d love for him to “come home”, it simply isn’t going to happen. Sorry Bison. There are more relevant things to talk about on Knicks boards these days.

      So I’ll offer this trade to fix the Knicks: Andrea Bargnani in a three-team trade for Chris Copeland and Steve Novak. Anyone? Anyone?

    56. Kahnzy

      So Ian Begley’s twitter feed suggests the Knicks are interested in Lou Amundson. Any thoughts? Personally, I think that sounds worlds better than 30+min/night for Bargs at center.

    57. DRed

      Why the hell would Houston trade Asik AND Lin for Aldridge? Asik is better, younger and makes six million less a season than Aldridge-that would be a stupid deal straight up. And why would anyone trade for Chandler 2 days after he broke his fucking leg?

      Now, Chris Paul for Ray Felton-that’s a deal I can get behind. I’d even kick in Charlie Ward. He won a Heisman!

    58. DRed

      I would also consider trading Ray Felton for Jordan Hill, and then turning around and shipping out Hill for Steph Curry. Think about it ya’ll.

    59. Brian Cronin

      From the AV Club…

      The Minnesota Timberwolves know what girls want. Or at least they think they know. The basketball team is doing a ladies night promotion for four upcoming games where, for a mere $18, women attendees will get a ticket to the game, a glass of wine, beer, or soda, and a DVD copy of season one of Girls.

      That is awesomely hilarious.

    60. flossy

      Why the hell would Houston trade Asik AND Lin for Aldridge? Asik is better, younger and makes six million less a season than Aldridge-that would be a stupid deal straight up.

      I can see the logic in Asik for Aldridge from Houston’s standpoint, even if Asik might be a bit better in the abstract. If you have an A+ starting center on your team in Dwight, it’s probably worth it to trade an A- center for a A-/B+ power forward who fits much better next to your best player.

      What I don’t understand though is why a Ryan Anderson for Asik deal hasn’t happened yet. That would be a coup for both teams. We already know Anderson and Howard play great together (and Anderson would be a great complimentary player for Harden and Parsons, too), and Asik/Anthony Davis would be one of the best defensive C/PF combos in the NBA, probably better than Asik/Howard given that Davis can guard practically any position.

    61. DRed

      From the AV Club…

      The Minnesota Timberwolves know what girls want. Or at least they think they know. The basketball team is doing a ladies night promotion for four upcoming games where, for a mere $18, women attendees will get a ticket to the game, a glass of wine, beer, or soda, and a DVD copy of season one of Girls.

      That is awesomely hilariously.

      Offensively stupid. Women like Sex and the City DVDs, not Girls.

    62. dtrickey

      Sorry, y’all. I think it was my reference to Linsanity yesterday that triggered this. (I was only citing it in reference to the team rallying in the face of injury:)

      Goddamn you Z!

      So Ian Begley’s twitter feed suggests the Knicks are interested in Lou Amundson. Any thoughts? Personally, I think that sounds worlds better than 30+min/night for Bargs at center.

      Don’t hate the idea. I liked the proposition in the offseason, and my stance hasn’t changed. I mentioned this earlier, but as long as we’ve got warm bodies to chuck down on the block, get boards and throw their weight around, i’ll be happy. We don’t necessarily need scorers at this point. Just boards and D. Amundson can give us that. Alternatively Jason Collins can give us that too. Not sure about Earl Barrons status. Is he back from China?

    63. Brian Cronin

      What I don’t understand though is why a Ryan Anderson for Asik deal hasn’t happened yet. That would be a coup for both teams. We already know Anderson and Howard play great together (and Anderson would be a great complimentary player for Harden and Parsons, too), and Asik/Anthony Davis would be one of the best defensive C/PF combos in the NBA, probably better than Asik/Howard given that Davis can guard practically any position.

      I think the “problem” is that Asik has so much theoretical value. Think about it. If he was a free agent now, that dude would make a shitload, right? But since everyone figures Houston has to trade him, they’re probably all lowballing Houston.

    64. DRed

      “Cole Aldrich should probably have an opportunity to play & we kind of have to re-shuffle our lineup”

      Awesome, coach. Just don’t forget the big minutes for Bargnani!

    65. ephus

      I’m worried that the Knicks might lose 2/3 of the games without Chandler. I do not think they can plug the gap at 5 with a defensive anchor. It has best, Cole Aldrich is not going to be that guy. Even if he was, he would not have enough respect from the refs to be allowed to be a physical defender a la Hibbert or Chandler.

      So, I agree with those who want to see a lot of Nelly-ball. But I think it has to be Miami-style small ball. Demand that Smith (when he returns), Shumpert, Melo and MWP (at the 5) exert a lot of ball pressure with an eye towards creating turnovers. Try to get a lot of easy baskets in transition. While this is not a recipe for success in the playoffs (unless you have Lebron or Jordan/Pippen), it might allow the Knicks to tread water for the next twenty games.

    66. Brian Cronin

      I just don’t see them losing 2/3 of their games. The schedule isn’t that tough. They just need Melo and JR to be really good. We’ve seen them do it before. We know that they can do it again. I think they’ll have a winning record without Chandler. Well, I guess I should see how the lineup plays on Sunday first to see if that’s realistic or not (Friday, win or lose, will be sans JR, so it won’t be a good guideline).

    67. ephus

      Looking at their schedule through Christmas (when I expect Chandler to return), I think that 10-14 is about what we should expect. If the wheels come off, I can see the Knicks going 8-16. I really fear what 35 minutes/night of Bargnani/Stat/Martin might bring.

    68. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      You should have seen the look on Ms. Jowles’s face when that Ladies Night promotion came on.

      It was like, “Wait. Basketball isn’t enough for these people? And wine at a basketball game? Who does that?”

      Then she talked about how stupid giving up in-the-paint shot opportunities for nebulously conceptual floor spacing is. Or at least she did in my brains.

    69. Owen

      I will say, watching Houston is very frustrating. The way Morey has put that team together is my own private fantasy for the Knicks. Harden and Howard. Ton of complementary players.

      They could win it all this year.

      Also awesome to watch, though ridiculously turnover prone….

    70. Brian Cronin

      The thing thats funny about Harden is that he lives at the line and still shoots below avg.

      This season definitely. Last year he was a lot more efficient.

      EDITED TO ADD: I know everyone does it, but boy, that whole “holding the ball and then just take a fadeaway as the shot clock expires” play is so silly. Harden should have passed it.

    71. Brian Cronin

      Wow, Jodie Meeks, what the fuck? Throws the ball away. Luckily he might still have a chance to hit a three for the win when the Lakers next inbound the balls.

    72. Brian Cronin

      Steve Blake for the possible win! Wow! They’re right, D’Antoni is really good at writing up plays for three late in the game.

    73. Brian Cronin

      The Lakers closed the game on a 8-1 run as the Lakers went to a Hack-a-Howard plan at the end as Howard shot 1-6 from the line. Laker fans must love that part in particular.

    74. d-mar

      Owen, looks like your love for perfectly constructed teams like last year’s Nuggets and this year’s Rockets will go unrequited. Sorry, they are not winning an NBA title anytime soon.

    75. danvt

      I worry about the whole, “we gotta play at a faster pace” thing. Just relax fellas. The turnovers have been a big problem. Take care of the ball and pass it. That’ll give you space to shoot. Forcing tempo when nothing’s there is stupid.

    76. DRed

      Clearly the Rockets problem is playing Beverley over Knicks trade target Jeremy Lin. What the hell happened in that game? I went to sleep thinking the Rockets had it sewn up-the Lakers couldn’t buy a basket. Nice to see our old friend the monopoly man mildly exceeding expectations.

    77. Owen

      I didn’t think the Nuggets had enough to win. They weren’t better than the Spurs or Thunder last year.

      The Rockets could get it done though.

    78. SirJim

      Frankly, and I never thought I’d say this, the Miami Heat have given me a whole new prespective on the Small Ball approach.

      To make it work on this Knicks team, I think Prigioni needs to start to facilitate ball movement (a la when Kidd was in the lineup), Shump can move over to the 3, since he can guard most SFs, Melo stays at the 4, and Bargs is at the 5. I don’t *like* Bargnani at the 5. Not one bit. But as long as Prigs, Felton, and Shump can keep the perimeter guards from slicing inside too much and Melo keeps rebounding like he has been, I think we’ll be ok. Bargs can definitely hit a trailer 3 or two.

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