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Knicks Morning News (2013.11.03)

  • [New York Times] Blazers Beat Spurs 115-105 (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 06:38:01 GMT)
    Nicolas Batum hit a 3-pointer at the buzzer and finished with 11 points, 12 rebounds and 11 assists in the Portland Trail Blazers’ 115-105 home-opening victory over the San Antonio Spurs on Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Warriors Beat Kings 98-87 (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 06:20:06 GMT)
    Klay Thompson scored 27 points, Stephen Curry had five 3-pointers among his 22 points, and the Golden State Warriors limited Sacramento to 34.5 percent shooting from the field Saturday night in a 98-87 victory over the Kings.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: With Victory Over Bulls, 76ers Are 3-0 (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 05:20:08 GMT)
    The Philadelphia 76ers, who were pegged to be one of the league’s worst teams, continued their stunning start to the season, beating the Chicago Bulls 107-104.    

  • [New York Times] Parsons, Harden Lead Rockets Over Jazz, 104-93 (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 05:11:09 GMT)
    Chandler Parsons scored 24 points and James Harden had 23 to help Houston rally from a 19-point deficit for a 104-93 victory over Utah on Saturday night that kept the Jazz winless and the Rockets undefeated.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Walt Bellamy, Hall of Famer, Dies at 74 (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 04:53:00 GMT)
    Walt Bellamy, the Hall of Fame center who averaged 20.1 points and 13.7 rebounds a game in 14 seasons in the N.B.A., died.    

  • [New York Times] Mavericks Beat Grizzlies 111-99 (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 04:34:59 GMT)
    Dirk Nowitzki scored 24 points to lead the Dallas Mavericks’ balanced offense in a 111-99 victory over the Memphis Grizzlies on Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Raptors Spoil Bucks’ Home Opener With 97-90 Win (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 04:29:12 GMT)
    Rudy Gay had 18 points and 15rebounds, DeMar DeRozen added 17 points, and the Toronto Raptors spoiled the Milwaukee Bucks’ home opener with a 97-90 victory Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Pelicans Get 1st Win, Beat Bobcats 105-84 (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:47:04 GMT)
    Anthony Davis had 25 points, eight rebounds, a career-high six blocks and five assists to lead New Orleans to a 105-84 victory over the Charlotte Bobcats on Saturday night, its first win changing its nickname to Pelicans.    

  • [New York Times] Pacers Beats Cavaliers 89-74 (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:14:12 GMT)
    Paul George and Lance Stephenson combined for 43 points and the Indiana Pacers remained unbeaten in the young season with an 89-74 victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers on Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] 76ers Win Again, Beat Bulls (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:11:16 GMT)
    Rookie Michael Carter-Williams had 26 points and 10 assists and Spencer Hawes added 18 points and 11 rebounds as the Philadelphia 76ers continued their stunning start to the season, beating the Chicago Bulls 107-104 on Saturday night.    

  • [New York Daily News] Amar’e won’t be in the lineup when the Knicks face the T-wolves (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 04:17:22 GMT)
    Mike Woodson is “going big” with his lineup Sunday night against Kevin Love and Minnesota, but that rotation will not include Amar’e Stoudemire for the second time in the Knicks’ first three games.    

  • [New York Daily News] Former Knick Walt Bellamy dies at 74 (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 01:30:46 GMT)
    Walt Bellamy, a former Knicks center who left New York as the key part of the blockbuster trade that brought the team Dave DeBusschere, the final piece to its championship puzzle, died Saturday. He was 74.    

  • [New York Post] Amar’e Stoudemire OK with minutes limit — for now (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 00:03:16 -0500)
    For now, it all makes sense to Amar'e Stoudemire. Coming off three knee surgeries in 10 months, including another this past offseason, Stoudemire is on a minutes restriction and won't…

  • [New York Post] Tim Hardaway Jr. making an impact for Knicks (Sun, 03 Nov 2013 00:01:08 -0500)
    Tim Hardaway Jr. has impressed as a rookie — so much so, he played nearly the entire fourth quarter Thursday night against the Bulls, one of the teams the Knicks…

  • 9 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2013.11.03)

    1. ephus

      This is what makes some “old school” analysts hate the new fangled so much. The Sixers jump off to a 3-0 start (beating Chicago and Miami) and ESPN.com runs an article saying that this means the Sixers should double down on tanking by trading away Hawes and Turner.

      Some humility would be useful. There may be something amazing happening in Philly. Or it might be a small sample size blip, like Charlotte’s first ten games last year. I do not know, and I find it hard to believe that anyone else does either. If the Sixers are 14-6 after 20 games, they should assess what is working. If the Sixers are 6-14, there will still be plenty of time to make trades. In fact, the expiration of the Dec. 15 and Jan. 15 restrictions would make a trade easier.

      What goes for the professional analysts goes for this site. I ask my fellow posters to acknowledge that we do not have all of the answers two games into the season. As much as I have been troubled by Bargnani’s start, I do not know what he he will look like 40 games into the season.

    2. KnickfaninNJ

      I acknowledge it. And if I were a Philadelphia fan I would absolutely hate the ESPN article. It sounds like they finally have a fun team worth watching. Why break that up and create a team that’s no fun to watch?

    3. mokers

      This is what makes some “old school” analysts hate the new fangled so much. The Sixers jump off to a 3-0 start (beating Chicago and Miami) and ESPN.com runs an article saying that this means the Sixers should double down on tanking by trading away Hawes and Turner

      Yeah, the GM is in a tough spot. Hawes and Turner didn’t have much trade value in the offseason. You definitely want to trade high, but what team out there is going to decide they need Hawes or Turner after 3 games? Which GM is looking to buy high at this point? More importantly, it is nice to run MCW out there with actual NBA players to give you an idea of if he could actually run a team. Putting a lot of D-League players out there isn’t going to help with his development. It’s much more of a balancing act besides just tanking, even without factoring in giving the fans a little something to root for this year.

    4. danvt

      What goes for the professional analysts goes for this site. I ask my fellow posters to acknowledge that we do not have all of the answers two games into the season. As much as I have been troubled by Bargnani’s start, I do not know what he he will look like 40 games into the season.

      Here Here. I mean, right now it looks as if Ike Diogu would have been a better answer than any of the 4′s we have. He can rebound and can play more than 10 minutes. But I have to have faith that others have more info than I do. Right now, Cole Aldrich backing up Tyson looks better to me than what’s been going on. One thing I can’t believe is that there’s some conspiracy involving CAA and Dolan. It’s obvious, Woodson wants to give AB a chance.
      I really don’t know if I’m happy to watch the experiment. I’m not sanguine on his prospects but at least we have a coach who isn’t willing to marginalize his players ala D’Antoni / Marbury.

      The reason I’m pursuing this reasoning is that the predictions bother me. Why we will win 50 or 40 or 30 games is a matter of many variables. What if Melo get’s hurt (god forbid) and we win exactly the 47 games that Jowles predicts? Is the prediction still accurate? Is it still Andrea’s fault? What if Bargnani gets pasted to the bench and gets tons of DNP’s and we win 47? Is he still right? What if Max Fischer-Cohen’s lineups come to pass and we win 45 games because PHI, CLE, WAS and DET get demonstrably better?

    5. Donnie Walsh

      Whoa, Utah is starting Jamaal Tinsley (is this the same Jamaal Tinsley that was paid to disappear by the Pacers years ago?). Since we’re discussing “tanking”, clearly Utah is going all in. (Is it technically illegal to tank, or just frowned upon? Because starting a 36 year old from the D-League when there are actual NBA players on your roster seems like a pretty obvious breach.)

    6. Z-man

      THCJ said:

      Why is it unreasonable to disagree (vehemently) with bad decisions made by your favorite team’s GM? I’m not going to stop following the Knicks just because they signed the worst starter over the last five years. If anything, I should stop watching because it puts money in Dolan’s pockets, and Dolan is the worst.

      Blind optimism cast toward a corporate uniform doesn’t sit well with me. The Knicks made a bad decision — no, a number of bad decisions — and that’s something that will come up on a board like this.

      You’ll never see me say, “Bargnani is just bad. Deal with it.” He’s demonstrably bad. Half of the posters on this board want to speculate glass-half-full with the guy — and some of them want to talk about how he’s so good at boxing out, which is so fully conjecture that it makes me want to barf — but that doesn’t mean that we all have to. When the Curry deal went down, we had this board to shit all over it. When the Amar’e deal went down, many of us cried desperation (and it was, and still is). When Carmelo used his leverage to fuck the Knicks’ future assets for no discernible reason, we had this board to bemoan it. And now that the Knicks gave up more future assets for a terrible player, we’ll do the same. You can be the optimist. I’ll be your counterpart. Welcome to the board.

      This is a very reasonable post, and have no problem with you being the counterpart to any argument with you. Nobody’s being wildly optimistic here, or even cautiously optimistic. Just hoping that you et.al. are wrong, as you have been from time to time before.

      I don’t think that anyone is arguing that Bargnani has been a good player. He hasn’t. The argument is that there may be reasons beyond “he just plain sucks” that have contributed to his lack of development, and that since the trade is done and can’t be undone, let’s find out whether he can become for us what Andray Blatche became for the Nets.

    7. Z-man

      By the way, Jowles, how would you have described Blatche before he came to the Nets? The second worst forward in the league? He had a WS48 of .055 over 7 years with the Wizards, and was in negative numbers the year before coming over to the Nets.

    8. dtrickey

      Donnie Walsh November 3, 2013 at 1:21 pm
      Whoa, Utah is starting Jamaal Tinsley (is this the same Jamaal Tinsley that was paid to disappear by the Pacers years ago?). Since we’re discussing “tanking”, clearly Utah is going all in. (Is it technically illegal to tank, or just frowned upon? Because starting a 36 year old from the D-League when there are actual NBA players on your roster seems like a pretty obvious breach.)

      Tinsley has been handy for the Jazz the last couple of seasons. Nothing spectacular, but a serviceable 3rd pg option. That said, you know you could be intouble when you’ve got him starting.

    9. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I pray that he becomes Andray Blatche. There’s an explanation for Blatche’s ascent to a serviceable starter, but I don’t watch the Nets and can’t even speculate. Maybe some armchair psychology would do it.

      There will always be outliers, but methinks that Bargnani is not one.

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