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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;he’d be pretty damn helpful on the Knicks, if we count as contenders. let him and Lin split time, it’ll keep them both healthier.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh yeah, he&#039;d be great here, but the Knicks can&#039;t even offer him the mini-MLE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>he’d be pretty damn helpful on the Knicks, if we count as contenders. let him and Lin split time, it’ll keep them both healthier.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yeah, he&#8217;d be great here, but the Knicks can&#8217;t even offer him the mini-MLE.</p>
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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[he&#039;d be pretty damn helpful on the Knicks, if we count as contenders. let him and Lin split time, it&#039;ll keep them both healthier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he&#8217;d be pretty damn helpful on the Knicks, if we count as contenders. let him and Lin split time, it&#8217;ll keep them both healthier.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 04:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only one Eastern contender played tonight, and of course they won. Stupid Indy! Just fall apart already!

By the way, I saw a headline just now on ESPN where Nash says he&#039;d consider the Heat next season. Nash is amazing, of course (&lt;b&gt;amazing&lt;/b&gt;), but isn&#039;t that one of the very few teams where he&#039;d have a bit of a limited impact? 

What contending team out there do you folks think Nash would most benefit next season? Remember, he can&#039;t play a ton of minutes, so that has to be a factor (that, and Miami&#039;s overall goodness, is likely why they appeal to him - that he wouldn&#039;t have to play a lot of minutes in Miami - so I get why they&#039;re appealing for him, I just don&#039;t see him having as big of an impact for them as he would for other teams).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only one Eastern contender played tonight, and of course they won. Stupid Indy! Just fall apart already!</p>
<p>By the way, I saw a headline just now on ESPN where Nash says he&#8217;d consider the Heat next season. Nash is amazing, of course (<b>amazing</b>), but isn&#8217;t that one of the very few teams where he&#8217;d have a bit of a limited impact? </p>
<p>What contending team out there do you folks think Nash would most benefit next season? Remember, he can&#8217;t play a ton of minutes, so that has to be a factor (that, and Miami&#8217;s overall goodness, is likely why they appeal to him &#8211; that he wouldn&#8217;t have to play a lot of minutes in Miami &#8211; so I get why they&#8217;re appealing for him, I just don&#8217;t see him having as big of an impact for them as he would for other teams).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/knicks-might-be-pretty-good-say-numbers/#comment-379339</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 04:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, I was using Herb Williams as an example just from a vague memory that he took over in a similar scenario and failed, but after checking my facts, I saw that the comparison was really kind of eerie. Lenny Wilkins&#039; Knicks disappointed in 2004-05 since they did not seem to have an awful team (and had just made the playoffs for the first time in a couple of years). Their record was actually at 16-13 at one point. Then they were at 17-17 when they went on a 5 game losing streak and Wilkins was fired (which is eerily similar to 18-18 and then a six-game losing streak and then D&#039;Antoni fired). Williams took over and instead of turning things around like Woodson did, things just got even worse. The losing streak lasted two more games. Then there was another five-game losing streak and then, finally, after some decent play made the playoffs at least a theoretical possibility (they were one game back of the Nets at the time, and the Nets ended up making the playoffs and even finishing over .500!), they then lost 9 straight to wrap up a terrible season. Yet somehow not terrible enough to get anything higher than the #8 pick. 

Man, Knick history sucks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I was using Herb Williams as an example just from a vague memory that he took over in a similar scenario and failed, but after checking my facts, I saw that the comparison was really kind of eerie. Lenny Wilkins&#8217; Knicks disappointed in 2004-05 since they did not seem to have an awful team (and had just made the playoffs for the first time in a couple of years). Their record was actually at 16-13 at one point. Then they were at 17-17 when they went on a 5 game losing streak and Wilkins was fired (which is eerily similar to 18-18 and then a six-game losing streak and then D&#8217;Antoni fired). Williams took over and instead of turning things around like Woodson did, things just got even worse. The losing streak lasted two more games. Then there was another five-game losing streak and then, finally, after some decent play made the playoffs at least a theoretical possibility (they were one game back of the Nets at the time, and the Nets ended up making the playoffs and even finishing over .500!), they then lost 9 straight to wrap up a terrible season. Yet somehow not terrible enough to get anything higher than the #8 pick. </p>
<p>Man, Knick history sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: gregor.samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregor.samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 04:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pythagorean expectation was invented for baseball and really doesn&#039;t make much sense for other sports, particularly basketball, where &quot;the game was closer than the score indicates&quot; (or the opposite) is one of the more common post-game utterances.

Baseball is remarkable in its consistency, regardless of game situation, and can therefore more appropriately be viewed as essentially one, long game, as the Pythagorean expectation does.  The only things that really change in the 8th inning of a blowout vs. a tight game are: reduced running game, slight decrease in the quality of relief pitching and some situational hitting.

In basketball, the end of a blowout is wildly different than the end of a tight game, so to treat scoring equally and then draw conclusions based on cumulative output is silly.  There is no baseball equivalent to the 12th guy on the bench coming in to heave up 6 consecutive 3s to end a game, or, more importantly, to the precipitous drop in intensity.  If the Heat were determined to set a record for 40 point wins (and enjoy the resultant, staggering Pythagorean expectation) does anyone doubt that they could do so?  

I think basketball statistical analysis is best summed up by the following from the article above:

&quot;Next is another helpful Hollinger tool: his NBA power rankings ... After last night’s game, the Knicks sit, incredibly, in 6th place, behind only the Bulls, Heat, Thunder, Spurs, and 76ers, and ahead of teams such as the Lakers, Magic, Pacers, Clippers, Hawks, and Mavericks.&quot;

Really...that says it all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pythagorean expectation was invented for baseball and really doesn&#8217;t make much sense for other sports, particularly basketball, where &#8220;the game was closer than the score indicates&#8221; (or the opposite) is one of the more common post-game utterances.</p>
<p>Baseball is remarkable in its consistency, regardless of game situation, and can therefore more appropriately be viewed as essentially one, long game, as the Pythagorean expectation does.  The only things that really change in the 8th inning of a blowout vs. a tight game are: reduced running game, slight decrease in the quality of relief pitching and some situational hitting.</p>
<p>In basketball, the end of a blowout is wildly different than the end of a tight game, so to treat scoring equally and then draw conclusions based on cumulative output is silly.  There is no baseball equivalent to the 12th guy on the bench coming in to heave up 6 consecutive 3s to end a game, or, more importantly, to the precipitous drop in intensity.  If the Heat were determined to set a record for 40 point wins (and enjoy the resultant, staggering Pythagorean expectation) does anyone doubt that they could do so?  </p>
<p>I think basketball statistical analysis is best summed up by the following from the article above:</p>
<p>&#8220;Next is another helpful Hollinger tool: his NBA power rankings &#8230; After last night’s game, the Knicks sit, incredibly, in 6th place, behind only the Bulls, Heat, Thunder, Spurs, and 76ers, and ahead of teams such as the Lakers, Magic, Pacers, Clippers, Hawks, and Mavericks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really&#8230;that says it all.</p>
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		<title>By: art vandelay</title>
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		<dc:creator>art vandelay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-379284&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-379284&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JK&#052;&#055;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: The Knicks’ 3P% allowed has been improving of late. They now rank 22nd in 3P% allowed after ranking near the bottom of the league for much of the season. In the Woodson-coached games their 3P% allowed looks like this:ORL .346MIL. 250DET .316TOR .077PHI .471 (oops)TOR .154IND .211IND .421POR .294Pretty solid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Even that nearly 35% 3-point % is skewed a bit high by the fact that we were up 40 points, put in scrubs, stopped trying defensively and Redick hit a bunch of wide open 3´s after the game was WAY out of reach last night.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-379284" rel="nofollow">JK&#052;&#055;</a></strong>: The Knicks’ 3P% allowed has been improving of late. They now rank 22nd in 3P% allowed after ranking near the bottom of the league for much of the season. In the Woodson-coached games their 3P% allowed looks like this:ORL .346MIL. 250DET .316TOR .077PHI .471 (oops)TOR .154IND .211IND .421POR .294Pretty solid.</p></blockquote>
<p>Even that nearly 35% 3-point % is skewed a bit high by the fact that we were up 40 points, put in scrubs, stopped trying defensively and Redick hit a bunch of wide open 3´s after the game was WAY out of reach last night.</p>
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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-379284&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JK&#052;&#055;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
The Knicks’ 3P% allowed has been improving of late.They now rank 22nd in 3P% allowed after ranking near the bottom of the league for much of the season.In the Woodson-coached games their 3P% allowed looks like this:


ORL .346
MIL. 250
DET .316
TOR .077
PHI .471 (oops)
TOR .154
IND .211
IND .421
POR .294


Pretty solid.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

but I think they&#039;ve been at least a bit lucky, there have been a lot of wide wide open ones that the opponents have just missed.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-379284" rel="nofollow">JK&#052;&#055;</a></strong>:<br />
The Knicks’ 3P% allowed has been improving of late.They now rank 22nd in 3P% allowed after ranking near the bottom of the league for much of the season.In the Woodson-coached games their 3P% allowed looks like this:</p>
<p>ORL .346<br />
MIL. 250<br />
DET .316<br />
TOR .077<br />
PHI .471 (oops)<br />
TOR .154<br />
IND .211<br />
IND .421<br />
POR .294</p>
<p>Pretty solid.</p>
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<p>but I think they&#8217;ve been at least a bit lucky, there have been a lot of wide wide open ones that the opponents have just missed.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;also, something I’m not sure if anyone brought up here, but the Posting and Toasting recap noted that ORL started the third quarter in a zone, which NY quickly destroyed (2 threes from Melo, Fields cutting down the lane) and ORL quickly abandoned. that was very nice to see.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That was the game right there. They began the second half with, &quot;Okay, let&#039;s give this a shot!&quot; Then what you describe happened and they just folded like a pile of laundry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>also, something I’m not sure if anyone brought up here, but the Posting and Toasting recap noted that ORL started the third quarter in a zone, which NY quickly destroyed (2 threes from Melo, Fields cutting down the lane) and ORL quickly abandoned. that was very nice to see.</p></blockquote>
<p>That was the game right there. They began the second half with, &#8220;Okay, let&#8217;s give this a shot!&#8221; Then what you describe happened and they just folded like a pile of laundry.</p>
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		<title>By: JK47</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Knicks&#039; 3P% allowed has been improving of late.  They now rank 22nd in 3P% allowed after ranking near the bottom of the league for much of the season.  In the Woodson-coached games their 3P% allowed looks like this:

ORL .346
MIL. 250
DET .316
TOR .077
PHI .471 (oops)
TOR .154
IND .211
IND .421
POR .294

Pretty solid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Knicks&#8217; 3P% allowed has been improving of late.  They now rank 22nd in 3P% allowed after ranking near the bottom of the league for much of the season.  In the Woodson-coached games their 3P% allowed looks like this:</p>
<p>ORL .346<br />
MIL. 250<br />
DET .316<br />
TOR .077<br />
PHI .471 (oops)<br />
TOR .154<br />
IND .211<br />
IND .421<br />
POR .294</p>
<p>Pretty solid.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If there&#039;s an anti-Orlando formula, it&#039;s having a big, tough defensive center who can slow down Howard and keep him from dominating the boards. That&#039;s how the Celtics did it, and why Atlanta has had the advantage over the Magic (Kendrick Perkins et al, Jason Collins + Pachulia/Horford). The Knicks are in good shape on this front. 

The other thing is that Orlando is just not that good - their defense has slipped out of the top 10 this year, and Anderson/Nelson are good but not scary as #2 and 3 options. And the bench - yikes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there&#8217;s an anti-Orlando formula, it&#8217;s having a big, tough defensive center who can slow down Howard and keep him from dominating the boards. That&#8217;s how the Celtics did it, and why Atlanta has had the advantage over the Magic (Kendrick Perkins et al, Jason Collins + Pachulia/Horford). The Knicks are in good shape on this front. </p>
<p>The other thing is that Orlando is just not that good &#8211; their defense has slipped out of the top 10 this year, and Anderson/Nelson are good but not scary as #2 and 3 options. And the bench &#8211; yikes.</p>
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