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Thursday, November 27, 2014

Knicks Fire Woodson (5 Months Too Late)

According to MSG:

NEW YORK, April 21, 2014 – New York Knickerbockers President Phil Jackson announced today that the team’s coaching staff have been relieved of their duties, effective immediately.

“I have a tremendous amount of respect for Mike Woodson and his entire staff,” Jackson said. “The coaches and players on this team had an extremely difficult 2013-14 season, and blame should not be put on one individual. But the time has come for change throughout the franchise as we start the journey to assess and build this team for next season and beyond.

“Everyone in this franchise owes a great deal of gratitude to what Mike and his staff have done. We wish him the best.”

In parts of three seasons with the Knicks, Woodson compiled an overall record of 109-79 (.580) that included two consecutive NBA Playoff appearances and an Atlantic Division title – the team’s first in 19 years. On Mar. 19, 2014, he became just the seventh coach in franchise history to reach the century mark in victories. Initially named Knicks interim head coach with 24 games remaining in the 2011-12 season, Woodson completed his ninth season at the helm of an NBA franchise, posting a record of 315-365.

The search for a new coaching staff will begin immediately.

There are a number of things interesting about this. The release from the Knicks P.R. Dept. is much nicer than mine or ESPN’s (“Knicks fire entire coaching staff“) view of the transaction. Obviously the Knicks are showing class here (I know, I can’t believe I wrote that), as kicking Woodson & staff while they are down makes no sense. Doing so would make the next coach be a bit weary on how their exit would affect their next job. This may seem like just a logical move, but remember the bar is lower for our Nix front office.

Second this was done on a Monday morning. Usually the Knicks bury this kind of transaction on a Friday after 5pm, when the beat guys are at their local abandoned lot loading their rose holder with blue belly. Hence it’s a clear sign that they aren’t ashamed of what they’ve done like a toddler going under the table to drop a deuce in his pants (Jim – you’ll get this analogy in about 3 years).

As for Woodson, to use the words of Dennis Green, he was what we thought he was. Other than a brief flirtation with defensive genius for a few weeks in 2012, Woodson’s tenure in New York was slanted towards the offensive side. In 2 of 2.5 Woodly seasons, the Knicks finished 11th or better on offense. On the other side of the court, the defense slid from 5th to 18th to 24th. If the Knicks keep the same cast (and why wouldn’t they, since they are capped out, have no draft picks — OK I’m going to cry here, so I’ll just stop), it’ll be interesting to see if the next coach can actually get them (and I’m looking at you Tyson Chandler and Iman Shumpert) to play D.

Given the Knicks’ season, it was amazing that Woodson was able to last even this long. He could have been fired when the Knicks lost 9 straight in December and started out 3-13. He could have been canned at the end of the calendar year when the Knicks were 9-21. He could have been jettisoned when the Knicks dropped another 7 straight in March. He could have been let go for how he let J.R. Smith have the world’s longest rope in the beginning of the year. He could have been [insert word for fired – I’m tired of coming up with new ones] for his “Big East” philosophy (despite this, how did he end up giving Cole Aldrich (19.1 PER) only 330 minutes?).

If Phil Jackson dipped his toe in the pool when he signed Lamar Odom, then this was his first cannon-ball. Despite the team being handcuffed with regards to major moves this year, I’m somewhat optimistic with this move. (Of course I was optimistic about Isiah Thomas too, but let’s say I’ve grown in the last 10 years). This is the kind of move you expect from someone that knows what they’re doing with the team.

And finally, farewell Mike. We all hope the Heat or Pacers hire you ASAP.

67 comments on “Knicks Fire Woodson (5 Months Too Late)

  1. ephus

    Removing Mike Woodson was necessary to have any hope for next year.

    There are a lot of inflection points between now and the start of 2014-15.

  2. johnlocke

    reposting here:

    Good decision. valid reasons for firing woody. top 10 reasons why he should have been fired.

    1. inflexibility in putting out bad rotations that were in direct conflict with statistical analysis of our best line ups. 1b. his insistence on going big. 1b. how often he shuffled up the starting line up. 1c. Chris Herring’s analysis that showed we played best when he had less healthy players — less decisions for Woodson to make. 1d. No melo at the 4 w/ Stat injured.

    2. among the worst moments of shot clock mgmt I can remember

    3. his inability to adjust and hard-headedness: see the Indiana-Knicks series

    4. his lack of accountability in blaming losses on injuries — when the Bulls lost an MVP candidate and two all stars for the season, and the Nets lost their starting All-star center

    5. his constant illogical statements that just made him and us look dumb –ref: scapegoating Beno

    6. inability to foster and improve young talent

    7. Phil needs someone that is open-minded that he can mentor

    8. Woodson has never beaten a higher seed in the playoffs and we lost to a lower seed last year

    9. Our end of game and entire fourth quarter play calls of give the ball to Melo were dumb and didn’t work

    and 10. Hubert may have gone on a killing spree if this hadn’t happened

  3. ephus

    For me, the Knicks’ defensive scheme was an even bigger problem than the 10 valid reasons johnlocke posted above. Woodson said that he did not want the Knicks switching bigs/littles on screens, but his team did the opposite.

  4. GoNyGoNYGo

    @Johnlocke
    1. Agreed. Stubborn as a mule. 1a. I will always point to him not teaching Bargs the center’s defensive responsibility in camp that led to the Knicks not having a center that could defend the post AT ALL. His rotations sucked.

    2. Please don’t remind me.

    4.+++ on this one. BTW, the Nets lost both centers: Garnet and Lopez.

    5. ++ on that too. Beno never seemed to click and blaming your 3rd string PG for anything is idiotic.

    6. Why can’t Shump score? Why can’t THJR defend, rebound or pass?

    7. I think Woodson wanted to be mentored but it needs to be Phil’s team now.

    8. His inflexibility and lack of creativity fails in the playoffs.

    9. ISO-Melo=Loss

    10. We still have to hide the weapons from Hubert

  5. johnlocke

    Zach lowe article:

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/farewell-woody-the-knicks-clean-house/

    “The Knicks ranked 24th in points allowed per possession this season. Every team below them was either tanking on purpose (Utah, Philadelphia); tanking by accident (the Lakers and Bucks); incompetent enough defensively that they tanked the end of the season to make sure they kept their draft pick (Detroit); or decimated by injuries (New Orleans). The Knicks were basically the worst defensive team among NBA teams that were trying to win NBA basketball games.”

  6. ptmilo

    It’s even worse than Zach Lowe implies because the Knicks were the third lowest pace team in the league. Defensive rankings are per possession, but slower pace notably boosts defensive per possession efficiency. This is a third reason the Knicks D wasn’t as close to Dallas as it appears. Lowe’s point about the Knicks being the only team in the league to use a corner defender jump switch is right on. That strategy was so uniquely terrible, the tankers weren’t even clever enough to come up with it. Bring on Steve Kerr.

  7. DRed

    Well, we got rid of the bad coach. That’s the easy part. Now we have to bamboozle someone into taking some of our shitty players.

  8. domiknick

    jadande J.A. Adande
    Steve Kerr on Sirius XM NBA Radio; “I do anticipate talking with Phil Jackson at some point” about Knicks coaching job

  9. GoNyGoNYGo

    @DRed
    Yeah, we have some bad players, but an NBA needs 8-9 good, healthy rotation players.

    Could you live with: Melo, Chandler, Stoudemire, JR Smith, Prigioni, Shumpert and Hardaway?
    We need a point guard, true, but what would the 7 players I listed above be like if we had a decent one? I’m not talking about a Chris Paul or Derrick Rose. What about a Rondo or a Kyle Lowry or someone like that? Yeah. Not bad. That’s the one hole that needs to be plugged.

  10. Mike Kurylo Post author

    From the last thread:

    I’m not surprised the board is relatively quiet. It always gets more comments when there’s bad news than when there’s good news. And this is very good news.

    I think it’s more like late news. This is like getting your Christmas present in April. How excited do you expect people to be?

    This isn’t a Christmas present. Firing Woodson wasn’t an extra bonus. It was something that the Knicks needed to live. Perhaps a better metaphor is that it’s like not having a parent/adult. You know the person that makes sure all the things work together: cooking, cleaning, paying the bills, etc. Woodson was like a single parent – that all of a sudden finds meth (blue belly!) and all that shit stops happening. And everyone is just squatting until they get evicted.

  11. DRed

    Could you live with: Melo, Chandler, Stoudemire, JR Smith, Prigioni, Shumpert and Hardaway?

    I realize we’re seriously limited in what we can do because of our cap situation, but that’s not a good team. Stat is a knee injury waiting to happen, Tyson is going to miss around 20 games, Melo is starting to show signs of slowing down, JR is JR Smith, Prigs is hella old, and Shump and Hardaway are two halves of one good player. With better coaching they’d be better than the shit we saw this year, but the best case scenario is a more enjoyable form of mediocrity.

  12. ephus

    If the Knicks are going to run the Triangle, they do not need a ball dominant PG. They need someone who can (1) defend the position, (2) pass the ball and (3) hit the corner 3. If Prigioni gives 18 mpg, he covers (2) and (3) but has poor on-the-ball defense. So the Knicks will need to use the mini-MLE to get the other 30 minutes. They might be able to get Kirk Hinrich for that $$$.

    The Knicks do not have the assets to get Rondo and they do not have the cap space to afford Lowry.

  13. johnno

    “Zach lowe article:”
    The “highlight” clips in Lowe’s article would be hilarious if they weren’t so sad for Knicks fans to watch. I know that the defense was bad, but those clips are downright cringe-worthy.

  14. johnno

    “Melo is starting to show signs of slowing down”
    Melo just had arguably the best two years of his career. When exactly did the slowing down signs appear? Late in games when the guy who led the league in minutes played showed some level of fatigue?

  15. bobneptune

    I hope Kerr is the choice.

    Journeyman players often make the best coaches. They had to survive in the league on guile and smarts and hard work and little talent. They know all the edges and angles.

    Kerr has an interesting history as his father was an educator who was assassinated by a Jihadi in Beirut. He served as a GM in Phoenix and therefore will probably be long term oriented and not badger the GM to trade for a washed up overpaid veteran to make the 8th seed by mortgaging the future.

    He played extensively for the two best coaches of this era (or ever) and a lot of good ideas likely rubbed off.

  16. GoNyGoNYGo

    @DRed,
    I can see your points but disagree.

    Melo had the best year of his career. Stat played with heart and showed that he can give minutes. Chandler broke a leg, that wasn’t an “age” thing. Prigs is OK coming off the bench. I agree 100% about Shump and THJr but I think they need coaching and a system.

  17. Kahnzy

    Do you think maybe we can lobby the NBA to let us play 6 men at a time? On defense we’d have Shump play, and let Hardaway just stand out of bounds shadowing Shump as best he can. Then when we go on offense, Shump steps out and Hardaway runs in. Kind of like how Hockey does their substitutions, only without a box for them to stand in.

  18. thenamestsam

    We also need to define our terms here in terms of what qualifies as a good team. We’re not competing for a title next year, whether the coach is Pop, Holzman or the Easter Bunny. DRed is right that a near total roster reboot is still required to even think about getting to that level. However, there’s really no reason we can’t achieve mere competence with a slightly tweaked version of this roster , playing the right players under a real coach. And as you’re seeing if you watched any of the Eastern Conference playoff games this weekend, competence is more than enough to get the job done in this conference.

    This is the part where I point out that Pero Antic, DeMarre Carroll, Elton Brand’s corpse, Cartier Martin and Shelvin Mack all played more than 20 minutes for a single team in the NBA playoffs this weekend. And their team won.

    So a good team? If you mean a real contender, no, not happening for at least another year. If you mean a playoff team, and even a playoff team with a hope of making the 2nd round, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility for a good coach.

  19. d-mar

    Just listening to Kerr doing game commentary, it’s obvious he knows the game inside and out, and would never do the mind bogglingly stupid shit that Woodson did this year.

    That being said, if I was going to make a negative comparison, it would be to Doug Collins. He has a similar personality to Kerr, is an outstanding color commentator, but really never succeeded as a coach.

  20. Zanzibar

    Does anyone else find all of Kerr’s recent comments about the Knick coaching job bizarre? Better to just keep quiet about it and wait for Jax’s inevitable call.

  21. ptmilo

    @27 no I think he’s handled it just fine.

    @25 +1, and it’s also worth noting how much more fun it will be to root for an admittedly mediocre playoffish team that seems to be headed in the right direction and isn’t run by the strategic laughing stock of the league who is more focused on waging an insular, egocentric loyalty battle against the world (with fans being part of the world) than winning. I could legitimately look forward to watching a meh team that doesn’t immediately conjure up the image of a frothing autocrat using our team to buddy up to Isaiah and excise his jeremy lin scorn. I do get that he hadn’t entirely left the room, but this is still a very good development.

  22. Robtachi

    Man, how glad is Beno Udrih to not be a New York Knick today? Big minutes in Game 2 with Conley in early foul trouble.

  23. hoolahoop

    The knicks have talent. They just played shitty and gave away a lot of games.
    Amare was a monster the second half of the season. He transformed his game to thrive in Woodson’s “Don’t Pass” offense. Melo just came off his best season ever and Phil taking him “to the next level”. Tyson will be happy again, and hopefully, become the DPOY he used to be.
    For the first time in long time, there’s hope.

  24. DRed

    Tyrone Corbin got the axe. I don’t follow the Jazz, but weren’t they not really trying to win this year?

  25. Kahnzy

    Tyrone Corbin got the axe. I don’t follow the Jazz, but weren’t they not really trying to win this year?

    Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t want to get a better coach already in place for when they do want to start winning again. They may not have been trying to win this year, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t trying the past couple of years with Corbin at the helm.

  26. GoNyGoNYGo

    @Zanzibar – I do, but what about the Knicks has been anything but bizzare over the past couple of decades? Remember that this is the team that brought you this point guard and this announcer and this GM.

  27. coyle022

    Wow. Beno Udrih tearing up the Thunder right now. 14 pts in a competitive playoff game. And yet according to Woodson he was the reason this Knicks’ season was a disaster. No Mike, it wasn’t Beno. It was you.

  28. lavor postell

    No way that foul was while KD was in the act of shooting. Great shot but ridiculous call especially in the context of Melo not getting continuation against the Rockets.

  29. richmond

    firing the whole coaching staff – start from scratch… figure, Rambis to be in there with Kerr – all Jackson lieutenants.. maybe trade Bargs and get Gasol.. it will be a reunion

  30. Brian Cronin

    Tyrone Corbin got the axe. I don’t follow the Jazz, but weren’t they not really trying to win this year?

    Ty Corbin was an awful coach. One of the worst in the NBA.

    Sadly, the worst coach in the NBA just saw his team win the first game of the playoffs on the road so his team will likely be stuck with him next year (well, not “Sadly,” because as a Knick fan I like it when other Eastern Conference teams fuck themselves over, but still…).

  31. Brian Cronin

    Tyson will be happy again, and hopefully, become the DPOY he used to be.

    I sincerely doubt Chandler will be a Knick next year. He doesn’t fit the triangle at all, he is going to be a free agent after next seas and he’s getting older. He’s the perfect guy to deal for some youth.

  32. Frank

    Not that I blame him, but someone is still bitter about being dumped by Woody when he came on board to coach the Knicks. From Berman:

    After firing his longtime agents, Joe and Keith Glass, two years ago, Woodson is now represented by Creative Artists Agency. It was believed Knicks owner James Dolan forced Woodson to fire the Glasses, who also represented Larry Brown, because of their legal conflict with Glass over Brown’s contract.
    However, Keith Glass, still disappointed in Woodson, said he isn’t sure if Woodson worked alone and wasn’t forced into it by the Knicks. Joe Glass passed away soon after the firing.
    “It might have been more disloyalty,” Keith Glass told The Post. “I hate to see anyone get fired, you’re not happy to see anyone lose their job, but I still just wish my father was still around to see it.”

  33. Frank

    I sincerely doubt Chandler will be a Knick next year. He doesn’t fit the triangle at all, he is going to be a free agent after next seas and he’s getting older. He’s the perfect guy to deal for some youth.

    I feel the same way — although Chandler will be quite motivated to play well in his contract year. Not sure which team he really fits with — needs to be a near-contender team that thinks his defensive abilities (and skill on PNR) will put them over the top. And needs to be a team with some assets they can send us.

    You know what might not be a terrible trade? Tyson + Felton for David Lee + a 2015 1st round pick + filler salary. I know they have a long commitment to Bogut, but he’s always hurt, and it would be a way to get out from under Lee’s salary to put them probably $12-15MM under the cap in 2015. And from our perspective, Lee obviously isn’t a good defender but he’s probably just about perfect for the Triangle on the offensive end, no? Good passer, can post, shoot the midrange J, and is generally just a smart player.

  34. Zanzibar

    I feel the same way — although Chandler will be quite motivated to play well in his contract year. Not sure which team he really fits with — needs to be a near-contender team that thinks his defensive abilities (and skill on PNR) will put them over the top. And needs to be a team with some assets they can send us.

    Phoenix might be an option. Suns will try to land Love or another star this off-season by offering draft picks. If they fail, TC (via tpe) might be a nice productive placeholder until next summer when they could try again or sign one of the many free agents outright. Problem: Phoenix might wish to develop their two younger centers and not give up a 1st round pick for a 1 year rental.

  35. lavor postell

    You may be able to trade with the T’Wolves straight up and pry Dieng away with some of their unwanted junk like Shved, Barea, Turiaf etc. They have a lot of contracts that expire in 2015 to match salary. Chandler for Pekovic also would work straight up, though a Pekovic-Melo frontcourt doesn’t seem tenable long-term on the defensive end and Pekovic has 4 years, $47.9m left on his deal. We may be better served keeping Chandler and hoping he comes out highly motivated to perform next year and trade him once his stock improves.

  36. Frank

    trouble with PHX as a trade partner is that they literally have nothing to send us in terms of salary. Once Okafor falls off their cap, they’ll be flush with cap space, and I would imagine they’d rather spend their $ on a more long-term solution than that 1 year rental.

    I think the only way we get a 1st round pick for Tyson is if we take back salary going into 2015-16 (at least). We’re not the only ones that noticed his dropoff from 2011-12 to this year. Overall if we get the right player I’d be fine with that — I sort of think we’re better off not spending all the cap $ in 2015 anyway, saving it for making a real run at Durant in 2016.

  37. lavor postell

    I think the only way we get a 1st round pick for Tyson is if we take back salary going into 2015-16 (at least). We’re not the only ones that noticed his dropoff from 2011-12 to this year. Overall if we get the right player I’d be fine with that — I sort of think we’re better off not spending all the cap $ in 2015 anyway, saving it for making a real run at Durant in 2016.

    I agree with this 100%.

  38. Zanzibar

    trouble with PHX as a trade partner is that they literally have nothing to send us in terms of salary

    I always end up being wrong about cap stuff but doesn’t a simple tpe type trade work here? We receive a tpe and let it expire after the year. Phoenix only has to give us a pick (or one of their younger players like Ish Smith).

    I sort of think we’re better off not spending all the cap $ in 2015 anyway, saving it for making a real run at Durant in 2016.

    THIS!! Part of the reason people want to re-sign Melo is that, other than Lebron, there are no real elite players in 2015. But I prefer we swing for the fences and try to sign both LBJ and KD. It’s not that implausible that KD and LBJ would want to play together in a huge media market hungry for a chip. Of course Riley will also be positioning Heat for this but Miami is not a Bball town. My favorite scenario: Keep Shump and trade Melo/THJ/Prigs for Butler/two 2014 picks. Try to unload TC for a 2015 pick. Use 2014 to develop Shump/Butler/two 2014 draft picks and install the triangle. Then make play for LBJ and KD.

  39. Frank

    I always end up being wrong about cap stuff but doesn’t a simple tpe type trade work here? We receive a tpe and let it expire after the year. Phoenix only has to give us a pick (or one of their younger players like Ish Smith).

    I think we could make that trade, but the question is, why would PHX do that? There are probably many better players available for trade than Tyson, and especially for a young team that is growing together, you’d probably want someone other than a 1 year rental. I dunno, maybe they’d want his throwing the coach under the bus “veteran leadership”?

    The reason I was talking about PHX not being able to send us salary is that that would be a potential reason someone might want to take Tyson (ie. dump some salary onto us).

    Don’t get me wrong – if for some reason PHX wanted him, I send him in a heartbeat.

  40. johnno

    “but Miami is not a Bball town.”
    I know what you mean. Real pipe dream for Miami. I, for one, can’t picture ANY desirable free agent EVER wanting to sign with the Heat…

  41. lavor postell

    @Zanzibar

    If we’re trading Melo to Chicago we don’t need to give up Prigs and THJ to get Butler and 2 first round picks. I still don’t think we’re going to sign and trade Melo anywhere. He may leave, but Phil Jackson isn’t going to get him an extra guaranteed year on the way out for a package that makes us a lower lottery team next year and nets us at best a couple of mid first round picks.

    We shouldn’t maintain cap space in 2015 and 2016 so that we could land Lebron and KD though that would be awesome. We should have cap flexibility since it makes it a lot easier to make personnel moves and makes us a player year after year in free agency rather than trying to get it all done in one summer which increases the likelihood of spending all your cap space simply because you have money to spend and overpay guys.

  42. Zanzibar

    I know what you mean. Real pipe dream for Miami. I, for one, can’t picture ANY desirable free agent EVER wanting to sign with the Heat…

    My post implied that if given a choice between Miami or NY, LBJ and KD would choose NYC. The only reason LBJ and Bosh ended up in Miami is because Wade didn’t want to play anywhere else.

  43. ephus

    If we’re trading Melo to Chicago we don’t need to give up Prigs and THJ to get Butler and 2 first round picks. I still don’t think we’re going to sign and trade Melo anywhere. He may leave, but Phil Jackson isn’t going to get him an extra guaranteed year on the way out for a package that makes us a lower lottery team next year and nets us at best a couple of mid first round picks

    Under the new CBA, a sign-and-trade does not allow the free agent to get the fifth year. His deal is limited to four years, just as if he was signed by another team using cap space.

  44. johnno

    Zanzibar — My comment was tongue in cheek. However, I think that we all (including me) make the mistake of assuming that we can predict what makes other people tick. We all can’t understand why any player wouldn’t want to play all of his home games at MSG. But, have you ever been in a penthouse apartment out on Key Biscayne? I have, and to quote Dudley Moore in “Arthur” (I know, I’m dating myself), it doesn’t suck. Maybe Durant likes waking up in January, walking out onto his balcony and having breakfast overlooking bright blue water and watching girls stroll by in bikinis instead of dealing with wind chills below zero. Then again, he professes to love Oklahoma City, so who knows what makes that guy tick.

  45. ephus

    At the trade deadline, it was reported that Phoenix had no interest in Tyson Chandler. I doubt that has changed. .

  46. lavor postell

    Under the new CBA, a sign-and-trade does not allow the free agent to get the fifth year. His deal is limited to four years, just as if he was signed by another team using cap space.

    Interesting. Either way my main point is that I don’t see PJ trading him unless we get a guaranteed high lottery pick or a young player with superstar potential in return.

  47. Zanzibar

    I think we could make that trade, but the question is, why would PHX do that? There are probably many better players available for trade than Tyson

    Let’s say Suns strike out this summer in trying to land a front-court “star” in his prime like Love or Aldridge? Benefits of Chandler in that instance: (1) A contract-year Chandler might be the piece which helps them make the playoffs this season (2) Many free agents will be available in the summer of 2015, Suns could try to sign outright a free agent after Tyson’s contract expires.

    So question is: Would Phoenix GM be willing to give up, say, Ish Smith or Dionte C., for benefits of enhancing their playoff chances and also serving as a cap placeholder?

    NOTE: If Melo re-signs, I think part of the agreement would be that Jax doesn’t trade TC for a draft pick or a first or second-year player.

  48. Zanzibar

    At the trade deadline, it was reported that Phoenix had no interest in Tyson Chandler. I doubt that has changed. .

    Not really, because the Suns are gonna try again this summer to obtain Love for draft picks because they will have the cap space for a tpe trade. They would not have that cap space had they traded for Chandler this past trade deadline. Again, the Chandler trade might make sense for them IF they fail to acquire a top player this summer by offering draft picks.

  49. Donnie Walsh

    At the trade deadline, it was reported that Phoenix had no interest in Tyson Chandler. I doubt that has changed.

    The Suns did come up just short of the playoffs, so there could be some lingering regret, no? (Kind of like NY and Lowry, yes?)

  50. Zanzibar

    From the Suns perspective, why would they want Chandler to take minutes away from Plumlee? While Chandler had a slightly better season than Plumlee, Plumlee is much more likely to be better next year.

    Suns would have to believe Chandler would play much better in a contract year and in a new environment. Plum didn’t play all that well toward the end of the season but would still receive plenty of minutes as TC’s backup. The real issue would be minutes for Len, their #5 draft pick who barely played at all last season. Money per se is not that important here but rather what other players would be available for 1 year deals. One option might be P. Gasol for 15m who could play at the 5 or 4 (Paul and Marc could then be package deal free agents in 2015).

  51. izzylangfan

    Yes, Woodson deserved to be fired for not getting the Knicks to play defense. It wasn’t his fault that JR was suspended, had and operation and is a total jerk. It wasn’t his fault that management gave him a team with little defensive talent. And while he tried to come up with some unconventional defensive strategies to compensate for the talent he had to work with, it wasn’t his fault that Tyson Chandler refused to play hard because he didn’t like anything unconventional.

    Of course the Knicks biggest problem is Jim Dolan who put the Knicks in cap hell at the same time he traded away all their supporting talent in order to land Melo. But now he has hired Jackson. Jackson clearly has some unusual basketball wisdom. But he now wants to run the Knicks from afar while hiring a coach (perhaps one with no experience like Steve Kerr) who is going to have to play the triangle and do all the things that Jackson wants him to do while Jackson likely medals and undermines his authority. The coach may have lost the team before he starts because they will be going to Jackson as the ultimate authority.

    And lets talk about Lamar Odom that level headed repository of calm and wisdom who had the good sense to marry a Kardashian and constantly remind us what a jerk he is on reality TV.

  52. lavor postell

    Jackson has moved to New York and was at our last few home games so this idea he’s sitting in California and running the team from there is blatantly untrue. Jackson wants a coach who will run a system, in his own words, and given his experience with the triangle would want at least elements of it to be implemented which is great since it’s not some mystical Eastern philosophy, but a read and react system that empowers players and highlights constant player and ball movement.

    Also I’m not a huge fan of Odom, the Kardashians or reality TV, but Odom having substance abuse issues and problems in his personal relationships doesn’t make him a jerk. It just makes him a guy who has problems like most people in the world.

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