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Friday, October 24, 2014

Knicks Draft Tim Hardaway… JUNIOR!

The pick is in, you first heard it from Woj about four hours ago, and it’s…. Meh. Now, I grew up rooting for Michigan State and not the fucking Miami Heat so you can see how this might be a generational loathing thing for me. Not that that’s fair; just being honest.

Tim Hardaway has the pedigree. That’s true. He can shoot the basketball. That’s also true. He’s “used to the big stage.” I guess, in a way.

He also went through the worst slump since, like, the dinosaurs. He benefited greatly not only from a very, very good point guard (Trey Burke); but also from a system that put a premium on spacing and three-point…

Oh… Maybe this will work, then? As Anita Shreve once said: “Only time will tell.”

For now, head over to YouTube, try to find the good, and pray til you’re blue in the face for Robert, Seth, @netw3rk, and all the rest of our troops as they navigate what’s been — by all accounts — a batshit crazy Draft in the palace that spawned the night’s biggest coup.

62 comments on “Knicks Draft Tim Hardaway… JUNIOR!

  1. DCrockett17

    It’s not a bad pick at all. Among the available wings, you might have a different favorite (I liked Crabbe) but I thought they were all pretty tightly bunched.

    In some ways I think he benefited and suffered from Bielein’s offense. It accentuated his shooting but probably suppressed some other things he can do. Bielein’s offense tends to turn wings into Steve Novak.

    He has questions about his motor that may be fair. I didn’t see him that much. The kid does have talent enough to be a contributor, possibly soon but probably not.

  2. DRed

    Just By the Numbers: the 2013 Shooting Guard Crop
    June 19, 2013
    Hardaway Jr. had the third lowest usage rate in this group, and is also the third least efficient scorer overall, which certainly raises some question marks.

    Got to love the consistency across the board.

  3. jon abbey

    OK, I found a silver lining. at least NY were the ones to end the Garnett/Pierce era in Boston.

  4. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey:
    OK, I found a silver lining. at least NY were the ones to end the Garnett/Pierce era in Boston.

    They also ended the Bad Boy Pistons era. Plus the Mashburn/PJ Brown era in Miami!!

  5. danvt

    None of the other folks everyone wanted were even picked close to 24 except Bullock. So, maybe NYK brought TH2 in and he blew all those guys out of the water.

  6. Robert Silverman

    Needless to say, I hate this pick. I’d definitely have preferred Franklin or Bullock or Ledo or Mitchell or Wolters or Glen Rice Jr. or Crabbe or or even Gobert.

    Angry…

  7. BigBlueAL

    danvt:
    None of the other folks everyone wanted were even picked close to 24 except Bullock. So, maybe NYK brought TH2 in and he blew all those guys out of the water.

    In most mock drafts Ive looked over TH2 was supposed to be gone by the time the Knicks drafted. Plus read alot of reports on him having great workouts, especially shooting the ball.

  8. chrisk06811

    So, the nets are:

    Williams
    Johnson
    Pierce
    Garnett
    Lopez

    With a bench of
    Jet
    Brooks
    one of the plumlees
    the possible resigning of Blatche (who I think is un-restricted)

    That’s pretty good, right?

  9. JK47

    Great, so he shot the ball well in his workouts. He shot it like crap in three years of actual basketball games.

    Bad pick.

  10. er

    idk he may be able to keep getting better a D which he is supposedly decent to good at. Also in a bench 6/7th man role may be able to just come in and shoot corner threes, which will open up the drive since he is pretty athletic

  11. massive

    JK47:
    Great, so he shot the ball well in his workouts. He shot it like crap in three years of actual basketball games.

    Bad pick.

    It’s not fair to say that he shot it like crap. He converted 34.3% of his 3s at UMich, and 37.4% of them in his last season. I think his TS% sucks because of his below average (and bad for a guard) free throw shooting. He never shot better than 77% from the stripe for his career. That number actually got worse as he progressed through his career. I assume that if he gets his foul shooting in order, which I would expect from someone known as a shooter, he won’t be completely terrible.

    I still hate the pick, but I think he has a shot to be a more athletic Danny Green with better ball-skills. At least I’m going to be hoping so for a while. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if we trade him in a season or three.

  12. Z

    I’d have preferred Voshon Leonard jr, or even Dan Majerlie jr. Why’d it have to be a Hardaway?

  13. BigBlueAL

    Im curious to see TH2 defensively. That seems to be the aspect that could make him a solid pro. Has the size and athleticism for it and seems like for the most part he was a pretty good defender in college. Im not worried about his shooting at all, he is already a decent 3pt shooter so no reason he cant become a high 30’s to low 40’s 3pt shooter assuming he will be spotting up alot. Hell just look at how much better Shump has gotten shooting.

    Again Im not thrilled with this pick but it is far from being a reach. As I mentioned earlier cant find too many mock drafts where TH2 was still available by the Knicks pick. Once Larkin and Dieng were gone it was a matter of which SG/SF of the plenty that were available were they gonna draft. At least they didnt reach on a questionable big which is what I was worried about the most.

    Summer League should be interesting to watch at least.

  14. BigBlueAL

    Z:
    I’d have preferred Voshon Leonard jr, or even Dan Majerlie jr. Why’d it have to be a Hardaway?

    Well at least the genes are better lol.

  15. Brian Cronin

    The Nets will be paying roughly $80 million in luxury tax next year due to their trade. The following year, things would go even higher, but I imagine Pierce won’t be on the team in 2014-15 (or if he is, it will be at a much smaller salary).

  16. Brian Cronin

    Seriously, though, teams that make more money than other teams should spend the luxury tax. The Nets will spend, like, $183 million on their team next year. Or basically $50 million less than what the Yankees are going to spend on their team this year. The Nets will still make money and even if they didn’t, their owner is a billionaire (just like the Knicks’ ownership group). It might not get the Nets a championship, but at least they’re putting their money where their mouth is and as others have noted, they were already “all in” with their roster. This definitely improved their team a lot.

  17. Robtachi

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    Surprise! This team is fucked.

    This team is hardly fucked because they took Tim Hardaway Jr. with the 24th overall pick. They’re fucked because Carmelo’s shoulder doesn’t heal properly, or because Amar’e never returns to usefulness, or Chandler never returns to DPOY form, but not because of this… come on.

  18. Vinny L.

    We could’ve had Gobert, Erick Green, Canaan, Jamaal Frankin, or Crabbe.

    Crabbe has an unbelievable Jump shot and incredible wingspan. He could replace Cope if he leaves. We couldve worked on his defense.

    Franklin also has an incredible wingspan, athleticism, and defensive prowess.

    It was a safe pick. I won’t pretend as if I didn’t advocate for Hardaway here at one point.

  19. Z

    Brian Cronin:
    The Nets will spend, like, $183 million on their team next year. Or basically $50 million less than what the Yankees are going to spend on their team this year.

    Just for fun:

    Dolan paid $37,000,000 in taxes alone for 23 wins in 2006
    Dolan paid $45,000,000 in taxes alone for 33 wins in 2007

    So to think that an owner would be willing to pay $50,000,000 in taxes to attempt a legit title run shouldn’t be all that far-fetched…

  20. jon abbey

    except it’s $80M in taxes, and we’ll see if it’s a legit title run or not. the first concern is the thin bench and the lack of money to do much about that.

  21. Brian Cronin

    Anyone here worried about K-Mart defecting to the Nets to join up with his old buddy Kidd? I thought he was a lock to return to the Knicks, but now with the Nets being coached by his friend and the Nets likely going to lose Blatche, they could really use a big man.

    As for their bench, they still have their mini-MLE to play with and they can promise a good deal of playing time to vet minimum guys. It will be tough, no doubt about it, but getting a strong starting five is a lot harder than finding a strong bench.

  22. jon abbey

    don’t K-Mart and Garnett not like each other? ruru probably knows the scoop there.

  23. Brian Cronin

    KG has feuds with, like, 80% of the NBA. I’m sure most of them would get over it if they were teammates. I don’t believe K-Mart has any special animosity (I’m sure there’s animosity between the two, just not special animosity). Honestly, I think they respect each other’s toughness. That said, hopefully K-Mart does hate him and therefore won’t leave the Knicks!

  24. jon abbey

    Knicks sign CJ Leslie, undrafted. Chad Ford had him projected high in the second round, 36th overall, nice snag.

  25. jon abbey

    Ford’s May 20th update on Leslie:

    “Leslie’s terrific athletic numbers reminded scouts he might be one of the three or four best athletes in the draft and alleviated fears that he wouldn’t have the lateral quickness to guard shooting guards in the NBA. His combine-best 10.19-second score on the lane agility drill, combined with a huge vertical leap and a big wingspan, have teams curious. If he can go into workouts and shut down the other small forwards in the workouts, he’s going to be a lock for the first round.”

  26. Brian Cronin

    Wow, very good pick-up.

    You know, Leslie shut down his workouts after just two team visits (one being the Knicks). Do you think it is possible it was an attempt to be sneaky and try to go undrafted? As we all know by now, if your options are the end of the first round or going into the second round, you’d much rather go in the second round or get undrafted since you become a free agent faster with no restrictions on your salary. Could Leslie possibly have been trying to fall out of the draft so that the Knicks could sign him? This is a very quick signing, after all.

    I doubt that’s actually the case and it was more likely that Leslie was just cocky and got burned for it, but I have decided to give Grunwald credit for masterminding this, even if there was no masterminding at all. Even if he didn’t mastermind it, he still got a very talented young player without even having a second rounder, so kudos, Grunwald!

    Not a good sign for Melo at the 3, though…

  27. GHenman

    Signing Leslie really saves this draft for us. I just wonder what we’re going to do at point guard.

  28. Frank

    Meh. CJ Leslie feels like Derrick Brown or whatever his name was that was here for a cup of coffee a few years back. Hopefully I’m wrong, but like Givony wrote in his profile, it’s tough to find 3s in this league that can’t shoot.

    Terrible as it is to say, we really really need Amare to be healthy and productive next year if we are going to make any noise. There is just so much talent in the EC now. Miami, Chicago, Indy, Brooklyn are all really strong now.

    What will be interesting is to see what borderline tax paying teams will do to get under that line. There might be a lot f money to spread around this year and next.

  29. Frank

    Also- we absolutely cannot waste our “cash considerations” this year. We have no draft picks next year- lots of $ thrown around for picks this year- I’m sure there will be next year too.

  30. Brian Cronin

    Absolutely agreed, Frank. The problem is that teams are so used to the Knicks spending money in trades that they downright demand it of the Knicks nowadays, ya know?

  31. GHenman

    Frank: Meh. CJ Leslie feels like Derrick Brown or whatever his name was that was here for a cup of coffee a few years back. Hopefully I’m wrong, but like Givony wrote in his profile, it’s tough to find 3s in this league that can’t shoot. Terrible as it is to say, we really really need Amare to be healthy and productive next year if we are going to make any noise. There is just so much talent in the EC now. Miami, Chicago, Indy, Brooklyn are all really strong now. What will be interesting is to see what borderline tax paying teams will do to get under that line. There might be a lot f money to spread around this year and next.

    He probably won’t play right away, but he is a great athlete whase shooting numbers should improve since won’t have to try to do too much.

  32. Brian Cronin

    Is a sign and trade Brooke for Howard still possible?

    Brook Lopez? No, the Nets can’t get a player in a sign and trade now. Or do you mean a different Brooke?

  33. Nick C.

    Leslie seems like a decent pick but damn he had a lot of 5, 6, 7 TO games once the ACC schedule started, some 4-5 foul games in Dec-Jan against ranked programs (Uconn, Michigan, Oklahoma St) and a stud game when they beat Duke. Is Woody going to find time for a guy with traditional PF stat profile who took about 25 3s in college? I don’t know how to sort out college stats. I mean about 10+ games out of 30-35 are against pack fill opponents that may not have more than one guy who makes a living playing professionally at any level.

  34. Hubert

    I think Jon Abbey and anyone else sweating the Nets should chill out a bit. That’s just a bunch of names of paper. Pierce and Johnson are redundant. And neither of them have maintained the athleticism to defend their positions. Deron Williams strikes me as a fragile egomaniac and I don’t think he’s going to like KG & Pierce coming in and taking control, nor do I think they will like following the lead of a guy who has won nothing and rolled over in a game 7 last year. Good thing they have a veteran coach who knows how to manage egos to deal with this, right?

    You realize this starting 5 is worse than the Pierce-Garnett-Allen-Rondo team the Celtics had two years ago, right? Rondo & Allen are better than Deron & JJ. And Pierce & Garnett are two years older (and it showed a lot last year. That decline ain’t reversing). That team went 39-27 (which would be a 48 win team over 82 games) and was only 3 games better than us in a year where our big 2 stars were injured half the time and we fired our coach.

    The Nets aren’t winning the Atlantic. The Nets aren’t making a title push. The Nets are still not one of the 4 best teams in the East. The second round will take place without them again.

    Chill out.

  35. Hubert

    One legit fear about the Nets, though:

    Yes, they will absolutely use their mini-MLE to take Kenyon Martin away from us just to fuck with us. That is a lock.

  36. flossy

    Brian Cronin: Not a good sign for Melo at the 3, though…

    I think it makes zero difference–CJ Leslie has a looong way to go before he’s an NBA player. He’s too small to play PF and has no offensive skills at all that would allow him to play SF.

  37. Frank

    flossy: I think it makes zero difference–CJ Leslie has a looong way to go before he’s an NBA player.He’s too small to play PF and has no offensive skills at all that would allow him to play SF.

    I’m not hating the signing — certainly I’d rather take a flyer on him than James White. But yeah, he sounds like a tweener. He needs to get in the gym with Hopla today and start putting up 500 shots/day.

    Hubert: And Pierce & Garnett are two years older (and it showed a lot last year. That decline ain’t reversing).

    This is really true. It’ll be interesting to see how Kidd manages their minutes. Even though KG only played 30 minutes/game during the season (and missed 14 games to boot), he still was pretty ineffective in the playoffs. Pierce is pretty much ageless though – not too much dropoff the last few years, and he’ll be asked to do much less of the heavy lifting with Deron and Joe Johnson around.

    The Nets were already a bad matchup for us given how big Deron and Joe Johnson are – but we could always hide someone on Gerald Wallace. Can’t do that anymore. It’ll be post-up city against Felton/Prigs – cue the switching and wide open 3’s.

    But agree with Hubert – this is not as good a team as the original big 3 in Boston.

    btw they can have Kenyon Martin with the mini-MLE. He’s a vet’s minimum guy, nothing more. Really disappeared after that great stretch at the end of the year. There will be other guys available for the vet’s minimum who can approximate that.

    Meanwhile – is Rasheed definitely done? I know it’s crazy even to suggest it, but he definitely still had something left earlier in the year.

  38. Brian Cronin

    Actually, with the fact that Evans and Teletovic are both sticking around in Brooklyn, I now think it is not so likely that K-Mart goes to Brooklyn. But if he did go, yeah, it would be on a vet minimum deal (just like if he returns to the Knicks), not the mini-MLE. I imagine that they’ll target a back-up point guard with the mini-MLE.

    Meanwhile – is Rasheed definitely done? I know it’s crazy even to suggest it, but he definitely still had something left earlier in the year.

    Amazingly enough, Sheed is going to be a coach this year. He’s joining Mo Cheeks’ staff in Detroit.

  39. thenamestsam

    Hubert:
    I think Jon Abbey and anyone else sweating the Nets should chill out a bit.That’s just a bunch of names of paper.Pierce and Johnson are redundant.

    You realize this starting 5 is worse than the Pierce-Garnett-Allen-Rondo team the Celtics had two years ago, right?Rondo & Allen are better than Deron & JJ. And Pierce & Garnett are two years older (and it showed a lot last year. That decline ain’t reversing).That team went 39-27 (which would be a 48 win team over 82 games) and was only 3 games better than us in a year where our big 2 stars were injured half the time and we fired our coach.

    Somehow you managed to neglect the difference between Brook Lopez and Brandon Bass in your comparison. Because I think that might be a pretty important factor. Lopez is a legitimate all-star level player. Brandon Bass really isn’t. Lopez is also a much better fit with KG than Bass was because he wants to play down low and KG wants to stretch the floor, unlike those Boston teams which dined exclusively on mid-range Js. I think that lineup has a really nice natural balance that Boston’s didn’t.

    As far as JJ and Pierce being redundant I couldn’t disagree more. They’re similar players, yes, but well-rounded players don’t really form redundancies. Having two big wings who can both stretch the floor, they’re both good passers, they can both get their own shot, that’s not redundant, it’s awesome.

    Their age is a real concern, no doubt about that, but Pierce and KG were forced to carry the entire load last year after Rondo went down. They won’t next year. They were the 4th seed last year and they just added by far the two best players from the 7th seed (excluding Rondo since he didn’t have much to do with them getting the 7th seed) while giving up guys who were absolute crap for them last year. Hard for me to see how that’s not a big step…

  40. flossy

    It is a little depressing that the Nets have managed to out-Knick the Knicks. Literally every member of their starting five is a current or former all-star (and recently, not like, Rasheed Wallace) who will be on a max or near max contract.

    Obviously they’ve given themselves a short window and are in for some pain down the road (they even managed to give away all their picks, how Knicksy), but clearly this crew has a lot of potential. There are a ton of ways it could go poorly, but if it doesn’t, they could be one of the best teams in the league, I’m sad to say. I wonder if they now regret hiring a rookie head coach…

  41. flossy

    Frank: I’m not hating the signing — certainly I’d rather take a flyer on him than James White. But yeah, he sounds like a tweener. He needs to get in the gym with Hopla today and start putting up 500 shots/day.

    I mean it’s whatever, can’t hurt to have a project for the end of the bench and at the very least he’s got the athletic package to play in the NBA, but I’m just saying I would read nothing into that signing as far as what position Carmelo plays. Not only will he barely play, but if anything, Leslie is particularly ill-suited to play the 3 next to Melo because he can’t shoot to save his life.

  42. thenamestsam

    flossy:
    It is a little depressing that the Nets have managed to out-Knick the Knicks.Literally every member of their starting five is a current or former all-star (and recently, not like, Rasheed Wallace) who will be on a max or near max contract.

    Obviously they’ve given themselves a short window and are in for some pain down the road (they even managed to give away all their picks, how Knicksy), but clearly this crew has a lot of potential.There are a ton of ways it could go poorly, but if it doesn’t, they could be one of the best teams in the league, I’m sad to say.I wonder if they now regret hiring a rookie head coach…

    Said it yesterday, but you have to think if JKidd wasn’t already signed off that Phil might have some interest in that team, right? Strong veteran team playing in NYC and Prokorov could presumably pay him quite a pretty penny? Seems like it fits a lot of his potential criteria.

  43. Frank

    thenamestsam: t is a little depressing that the Nets have managed to out-Knick the Knicks. Literally every member of their starting five is a current or former all-star (and recently, not like, Rasheed Wallace) who will be on a max or near max contract.

    Obviously they’ve given themselves a short window and are in for some pain down the road (they even managed to give away all their picks, how Knicksy), but clearly this crew has a lot of potential. There are a ton of ways it could go poorly, but if it doesn’t, they could be one of the best teams in the league, I’m sad to say. I wonder if they now regret hiring a rookie head coach…

    honestly -if the Nets were REALLY REALLY serious (not just really serious like they have shown themselves to be) — they’d just fire JKidd now and bring in Phil. Their roster right now would be pretty reasonable with the triangle, and Phil is obviously the best coach available right now.

  44. Frank

    EB: Baron Davis?!?

    lol – I asked Chris Herring about that on Twitter yesterday and he basically said no chance.

    I wouldn’t mind getting Kabongo in here. Gotta figure for Kabongo this would be a very good opportunity — only Felton is here long-term, and possibly a fair amount of backup minutes especially if Prigs does not resign.

  45. lavor postell

    This Nets team is going to be a strict halfcourt team with little to nothing coming the way off fast breaks or points off of turnovers. They’ll probably play at a slower pace than they did even under Avery last year, at least they will if Kidd is as intelligent as I think he is. I still wouldn’t be surprised to see the division race come down to the wire between us and the Nets seeing as how I actually expect them to rest their stars a lot. I’d also completely expect both Pierce and KG to miss a decent amount of time because of “injury” before the home stretch of the season in April.

    Either way I think our goal at this point needs to be to add young pieces to a core we can build around in 2015 when we will be under the cap and if I remember correctly also no longer have any outstanding picks owed in trades. Hopefully THJ can be a solid Danny Green type of player for us and we can allow him to develop in a secondary type of role a la Shumpert. Defensively I think he gives us good options whenever we choose to go with Melo at the 4 and if we don’t re-sign JR he can perform some of the shot creating duties off the bench, though hopefully STAT can pick up that load.

    Also if we re-sign JR and Prigs our guard rotation would actually be solid if we can somehow snag a competent point guard. Anyways a lot of moving parts yet and if anything Grunwald has shown that when it comes to using the minimal exceptions at his disposal that he will play it close to the vest and remain exceedingly patient even as our options seemingly dwindle.

  46. lavor postell

    Frank: lol – I asked Chris Herring about that on Twitter yesterday and he basically said no chance.

    I wouldn’t mind getting Kabongo in here. Gotta figure for Kabongo this would be a very good opportunity — only Felton is here long-term, and possibly a fair amount of backup minutes especially if Prigs does not resign.

    Yeah Kabongo definitely is a guy at least worth giving a summer league invite too. Also what do you guys think about taking a look at Christian Watford. Has some Copeland too him i feel with the way he can stroke the 3.

  47. Hubert

    thenamestsam: Somehow you managed to neglect the difference between Brook Lopez and Brandon Bass in your comparison. Because I think that might be a pretty important factor. Lopez is a legitimate all-star level player. Brandon Bass really isn’t. Lopez is also a much better fit with KG than Bass was because he wants to play down low and KG wants to stretch the floor, unlike those Boston teams which dined exclusively on mid-range Js. I think that lineup has a really nice natural balance that Boston’s didn’t.

    As far as JJ and Pierce being redundant I couldn’t disagree more. They’re similar players, yes, but well-rounded players don’t really form redundancies. Having two big wings who can both stretch the floor, they’re both good passers, they can both get their own shot, that’s not redundant, it’s awesome.

    Their age is a real concern, no doubt about that, but Pierce and KG were forced to carry the entire load last year after Rondo went down. They won’t next year. They were the 4th seed last year and they just added by far the two best players from the 7th seed (excluding Rondo since he didn’t have much to do with them getting the 7th seed) while giving up guys who were absolute crap for them last year. Hard for me to see how that’s not a big step…

    Lopez and KG do not fit well together and I have no idea where that notion is coming from.

    Yeah, I left Lopez out. Do you think the difference from Lopez to Bass is enough to negate the decline in Pierce and Garnett over the last two years? What about the dropoff from being a well-coached, well-drilled, well-oiled machine that had 5 years of experience playing together and functioned as a unit better than any team in the NBA, to being a bunch of new guys who need to blend together and have arguably the least qualified coach in the league to get it done?

  48. Hubert

    THe usage rate for the Nets new starting five, by the way, is 128. Getting those guys down to 100 without alienating someone or limiting their effectiveness is a monumental task. Good luck, Jason.

    This may not have LA Lakers level disaster written all over it, but I think they’re closer to being the 2012-13 Lakers than they are to being a title contender.

  49. Hubert

    Frank: honestly -if the Nets were REALLY REALLY serious (not just really serious like they have shown themselves to be) — they’d just fire JKidd now and bring in Phil.Their roster right now would be pretty reasonable with the triangle, and Phil is obviously the best coach available right now.

    Oh, Kidd will be fired by January. I don’t think Phil is dumb enough to go there, though.

  50. thenamestsam

    Hubert: Lopez and KG do not fit well together and I have no idea where that notion is coming from.

    Yeah, I left Lopez out.Do you think the difference from Lopez to Bass is enough to negate the decline in Pierce and Garnett over the last two years?What about the dropoff from being a well-coached, well-drilled, well-oiled machine that had 5 years of experience playing together and functioned as a unit better than any team in the NBA, to being a bunch of new guys who need to blend together and have arguably the least qualified coach in the league to get it done?

    Curious why you don’t think they fit well together. One big in the post and one big who likes the perimeter seems like natural synergy. And yeah, I do think the difference between Lopez and Bass is huge. You may disagree. Lopez is a top5-10 guy in the NBA at his position.

    We shall see on the coaching front. The Celtics were a well-oiled well drilled machine that was perfectly designed to get mid range jumpers, the worst shot in basketball. I’m sorry that I’m not overwhelmed by the coaching job that was taking a team with Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Bass, and making them a bottom half NBA offense. I didn’t love the Kidd hire, but is Kidd less qualified than Mark Jackson was?

    On your usage point I think both Pierce and Garnett are going to be relieved to take a back seat.

  51. DCrockett17

    On Hardaway: I didn’t see a TON of him, but saw several games. I felt like he was a bit of a victim of Bielein’s offense. The offense is super PG-centric. Burke has the ball all the time and Darius Morris did before him. (I recall similar stuff from his West Virginia teams.) The wings are mostly asked to be spot up shooters. Then, to top it off Michigan (in the games I saw) was a heavy zone team. So it didn’t exactly take advantage of his athleticism on defense.

    I’m not making excuses for what many Michigan fans describe as a lackluster career. I just think Hardaway wasn’t a great fit for the scheme he played in. I can see why the Knicks would put more stock in their scouting than strictly in his performance.

    Hardaway strikes me as more of a something-in-every-column kind of wing than a pure spot up shooter, not unlike our own Shumpert. He’s kind of above average in every skill, but that offense only asks wings to do one thing.

    I got no issues with people liking the other wings. (Hell, I liked Crabbe the most.) But I don’t think there was a nickel’s worth of difference in the wings clustered around where Hardaway was picked.

  52. ephus

    The problem with playing KG and Lopez together is defense, not offense. KG adds the most value when he can protect the rim. His days of chasing shooters on the perimeter are over. But he will have to chase a bunch of stretch 4s in the East. Lopez just does not have the foot speed or agility to guard on the perimeter.

  53. david

    Most underrated part of the draft/trades: How awful the East is going to be next year — with the Celtics, Sixers and Hawks all blowing it up for Wiggins, you’re looking at a conference with 3 really good teams (Heat, Pacers, Rose-led Bulls), the two NY teams, and then….the Wizards, Cavs, Celts, Raptors, and Pistons as the next best teams. We may get to 50 wins even if we are worse, as there will be so many easy games. FWIW, I like what both the Cavs (Bennett will score a lot for that team and Karasev will spread the floor) and Wizards (they were good at the end of the season and Porter and Rice Jr. should both make an impact) are doing, but it’s still going to be a very weak conference….

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