jon abbey: career numbers just confuse things, honestly. this year’s Chandler is a decidedly different player from last year’s Chandler, etc, etc.

my argument is that this year’s Chandler is a net negative on offense a huge amount of the time, even factoring in his offensive rebounding, tipouts and picks. his understanding of spacing and how to exploit it is shockingly bad, he is not as good as his numbers make him seem.

Chandler’s career numbers are actually lower than his numbers this season. This season the Knicks offense has been +7.2 pts/100 better with him on the court, so if your argument is that he has been a net negative on offense, your argument is just wrong, sorry.

flossy: Just because the people you find annoying over-praise Chandler doesn’t mean he isn’t praise-worthy.His career OReb% is literally twice as high as K-Mart’s (and that’s not even counting tip outs), his career TS% is over .600, his career ORtg is 116.He makes his teams +3 point/100 possessions better for his career.

Martin’s TS% is 90 points lower, his ORtg is 15 points lower and he’s a net negative on offense over his career.This year, in 227 minutes so far, K-Mart is actually playing like a poor man’s Tyson Chandler on offense, with a .586 TS% and 118 ORtg–typical numbers for Tyson that would be Martin’s best BY FAR over a full season.Of course, NYK’s offensive efficiency is -6 with him on the floor, but he’s gotten his minutes during the shittiest part of the season for the most part so that’s excusable.

But no, he is not a better offensive player than Tyson Chandler.He’s not as good at the things Tyson is good at, and I disagree with Ruruland that the things he does that Chandler doesn’t do, like take (and mostly miss) mid-range jumpers, make him more valuable than Chandler on offense. None of that is to say that he isn’t a welcome addition and a good player.

career numbers just confuse things, honestly. this year’s Chandler is a decidedly different player from last year’s Chandler, etc, etc.

my argument is that this year’s Chandler is a net negative on offense a huge amount of the time, even factoring in his offensive rebounding, tipouts and picks. his understanding of spacing and how to exploit it is shockingly bad, he is not as good as his numbers make him seem.

Seriously, how far are we from the MVP discussion earlier this year? A loooooooong way. And how close is Melo to his career averages, which is what I predicted he would have by season end? Not very far.

You have been flogging Melo and his life-saving ability to score a ton of points at league average efficiency for more than two years now, and i not only am not impressed, I now can’t wait for him to be traded. Which i think is becoming inevitable. If not at the trade deadline, then next offseason.

Melo is is going to be on a seriously hot seat next trade deadline if we get bumped in five by the Celtics and are looking far above at Miami and Chicago at the trade deadline next year.

Btw, shall we revisit whether we should have unloaded Amare? Or whether the nuggets are really a good team or not? Care to offer a new prediction as to when Melo is going to cross that 58% ts% threshold? Wait till next year right?

I am waiting….

flossy: Just because the people you find annoying over-praise Chandler doesn’t mean he isn’t praise-worthy.His career OReb% is literally twice as high as K-Mart’s (and that’s not even counting tip outs), his career TS% is over .600, his career ORtg is 116.He makes his teams +3 point/100 possessions better for his career.

Martin’s TS% is 90 points lower, his ORtg is 15 points lower and he’s a net negative on offense over his career.This year, in 227 minutes so far, K-Mart is actually playing like a poor man’s Tyson Chandler on offense, with a .586 TS% and 118 ORtg–typical numbers for Tyson that would be Martin’s best BY FAR over a full season.Of course, NYK’s offensive efficiency is -6 with him on the floor, but he’s gotten his minutes during the shittiest part of the season for the most part so that’s excusable.

But no, he is not a better offensive player than Tyson Chandler.He’s not as good at the things Tyson is good at, and I disagree with Ruruland that the things he does that Chandler doesn’t do, like take (and mostly miss) mid-range jumpers, make him more valuable than Chandler on offense. None of that is to say that he isn’t a welcome addition and a good player.

I explicitly said those things don’t make him better than Chandler offensively, but they are worth considering.

jon abbey: see, this is what I mean. Chandler is a shitty offensive player in the vast majority of games he plays. even factoring in his picks and his offensive rebounding, he is a net negative on offense because of his massive limitations. Martin’s offensive game last night was better than all but a few offensive games Chandler has played all season. that fact is worth noting amidst the ongoing deification of Tyson our Lord and Savior.

Just because the people you find annoying over-praise Chandler doesn’t mean he isn’t praise-worthy. His career OReb% is literally twice as high as K-Mart’s (and that’s not even counting tip outs), his career TS% is over .600, his career ORtg is 116. He makes his teams +3 point/100 possessions better for his career.

Martin’s TS% is 90 points lower, his ORtg is 15 points lower and he’s a net negative on offense over his career. This year, in 227 minutes so far, K-Mart is actually playing like a poor man’s Tyson Chandler on offense, with a .586 TS% and 118 ORtg–typical numbers for Tyson that would be Martin’s best BY FAR over a full season. Of course, NYK’s offensive efficiency is -6 with him on the floor, but he’s gotten his minutes during the shittiest part of the season for the most part so that’s excusable.

But no, he is not a better offensive player than Tyson Chandler. He’s not as good at the things Tyson is good at, and I disagree with Ruruland that the things he does that Chandler doesn’t do, like take (and mostly miss) mid-range jumpers, make him more valuable than Chandler on offense. None of that is to say that he isn’t a welcome addition and a good player.

BigBlueAL:

Just like there is no reason to think the Knicks are back on track and are championship contenders now there was even less reason to think the season was over (plus the next 2 seasons too apparently) because they lost 4 in a row out west with their 2 best players missing half the games.

I was doom-and-gloom well before that road trip, and I still hate the way they match up with possible first round opponents like Chicago and Boston. I have been expecting a first round exit for a while now, and the only thing that has changed in the last ten games is the emergence of K-Mart as a quality contributor. if he can stay healthy into the playoffs, that certainly helps.

BigBlueAL: So we arent supposed to get excited over these last 3 wins (which is understandable) but we have to declare the season over after losing in Golden St, Denver and LA??

Well we should have won in LA certainly, considering we completely unburdened our offense of Melo’s inefficient volume scoring…