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Wednesday, October 1, 2014

Knicks 96, Pistons 110 (Thoughts On the New Guys)

Tim Thomas: How soon we forget. During yesterday’s game a Piston shot missed off the rim & slowly dribbled to the sideline. Tim Thomas watched the bouncing ball and instead of securing the rebound, he allowed the Pistons to get the ball & keep the possession. The NBA’s version of Cpl. Upham he’ll just cower in the corner and watch as the other team stabs you right in the heart.

Al Harrington: It’s only two games in, and I’m really not impressed. Al Harrington’s shot selection makes Jamal Crawford’s shot selection look like David Lee’s. Al Harrington’s passing ability makes Wilson Chandler look like Chris Duhon. The arc on Al Harrington’s shot makes Steve Francis’ arc look like Nate Robinson’s. Al Harrington’s rebounding ability makes Eddy Curry look like, ok it’s not that bad.

He should be better than this. And I understand that’s he’s rusty, not only adjusting to a new team but adjusting to playing in general (he sat out 8 games on the season). But 38 points on 40 shots? Over his career the ratio is 16 points per 13.8 shots, so it should get better. It was just really tough to watch him take 24 shots against the Pistons, double that of the next teammate (Wilson Chandler took 12 shots that game). Somewhere I was hoping he would develop a conscience.

Boy I can’t wait until these guys get some practice under their belt…

43 comments on “Knicks 96, Pistons 110 (Thoughts On the New Guys)

  1. Renaldo Balkman's Agent

    “Boy I can’t wait until these guys get some practice under their belt…”

    I can’t wait until their contracts expire.

  2. cwod

    Begin the countdown until the lottery.

    I had forgotten just how bad Tim Thomas is. Wow.

    David Lee is putting up some good numbers these days.

  3. TDM

    Ken Berger of Sportsline is reporting that marbury ‘declined’ to play again tonight. This could work out perfectly for the Knicks. IMO, he is breaching his contract everytime he refuses to play. I see the league getting involved soon.

  4. Captain Merlin

    hm…breach of contract, so we cut him and dont have to pay his salary…that doesnt do much of anything great as he expires this year….pity its not eddy curry we;re talking about.

  5. jon abbey

    “Quentin Richardson, who is struggling with an arm injury, unloaded on Marbury after the game. “I don’t consider him my teammate, so, I mean, whatever,” Q said. “Regardless of what you have going on with the organization or what you have going on with your coach or whatever, you’re not going to allow your teammates to be left out there the way they were left out there.””

  6. Owen

    How about some thoughts on the old guys. I am loving what Randolph put up tonight in LA. Prediction, the Kaman, Camby, Randolph frontcourt is going a supersize shit sandwich. I can’t believe they thought that would work. I suppose they think Kaman and Randolph will work well next year, which is possible.

    And Jamal, oh Jamal, classic game from you tonight (against an admittedly tough Celtics d). Yeah, six rebounds. Yeah, talented playmaking with six assists. But ooh, 5-17 with 4 turnovers.

    I don’t know who it was that suggested last year that the plan was to run Zach and Craw in a fast paced offense to inflate their value. I remember thinking, NBA GM’s aren’t that dumb. Well, you know what, for the second time in my life, I was wrong….

    As for Harrington and Tim Thomas, they stink. They are streaky, they won’t be this bad every night, when they get hot they will amaze, but basically they totally stink.

  7. jon abbey

    it was from Rotoworld, but here’s more from the Newsday blog (and he says there’s even more in the print edition):

    “I don’t consider him my teammate, so, I mean, whatever,” Quentin Richardson said. “He hasn’t played with us all year, he doesn’t want to play with us. He’s expressed that a second time, so whatever. I don’t look at him as a teammate because teammates don’t do that. Regardless of what you have going on with the organization or what you have going on with your coach or whatever, you’re not going to allow your teammates to be left out there the way they were left out there . . . Regardless of how you’re trying to stick it to whoever. At the end of the day, we’re getting left out there and we’re shorthanded, people are hurt and people are still playing. Chris is banged up pretty bad. He’s got an ankle injury and his back is messed up pretty bad and he’s playing. But I mean, once again, I don’t really pay any attention to it because I don’t look at him as a teammate anyway.”

    http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/

  8. jon abbey

    if Walsh knew he was going to trade or try to trade Crawford so soon into the season, Eric Gordon might have been the way to go in the draft over Gallinari.

  9. Brendan

    If you read some of the comments from the Berger and Newsday articles, you’ll find Starbury still has plenty of defenders. It’s amazing, really- has any player around here ever evoked the same weird combination of hate, love, hero-worship, pity, admiration, frustration and contempt that he does? At this point he’s trapped in town by his own reputation and contract in the wreck of what he wanted his Knicks career to be, unable to escape and unwilling to make the best of it. It’s tragic and embarrassing all at once, and I’m ready for it to be over now.

  10. Duff Soviet Union

    “How about some thoughts on the old guys. I am loving what Randolph put up tonight in LA. Prediction, the Kaman, Camby, Randolph frontcourt is going a supersize shit sandwich. I can’t believe they thought that would work.” I know Simmons just mentioned this, but how the hell does Mike Dunleavy get pretty much complete control of an NBA franchise?

  11. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    If you read some of the comments from the Berger and Newsday articles, you’ll find Starbury still has plenty of defenders. It’s amazing, really- has any player around here ever evoked the same weird combination of hate, love, hero-worship, pity, admiration, frustration and contempt that he does? At this point he’s trapped in town by his own reputation and contract in the wreck of what he wanted his Knicks career to be, unable to escape and unwilling to make the best of it. It’s tragic and embarrassing all at once, and I’m ready for it to be over now.

    Yup. I’m sure that some of it is because he’s a homegrown guy. However there is always going to be X% of the population that are a few standard deviations from the norm on one issue or another. I remember back in the day on RealGM how some people loved Scott Layden. And if they’re already that far gone, what hope is there to argue with them?

  12. Italian Stallion

    I’m not a big fan of Q Rich as a player, but thank God someone on the team had the balls to say it. Business is business, but if you are part of a team, the team is supposed to come first. Playing would have had no impact on any ongoing business. If anything it would given Steph a chance to further demonstrate to the league that he can still play after being impressive enough in pre season.

    To be honest, I’m actually disappointed that D’Antoni would even offer Marbury playing time (let alone the starting SG spot). I find him such a despicable, self centered, and poisonous human being at this point I’d like to see him leave the country just so I don’t have to see his sorry ass on the opposing team a few times a year.

  13. nj hoop

    if Walsh knew he was going to trade or try to trade Crawford so soon into the season, Eric Gordon might have been the way to go in the draft over Gallinari.

    This is total 20-20 hindsight, as I wasn’t a big fan of his in college, but Brook Lopez would have been a good fit for this current undersized squad. Last night 20 pts., 8 reb., 3 blks. Eddy Curry numbers, except 6 more boards and 3 more blocks.

  14. jon abbey

    according to today’s Post, D’Antoni told Marbury that he could be the starting shooting guard for the rest of the season yesterday, but Marbury still chose not to play.

  15. Italian Stallion

    according to today’s Post, D’Antoni told Marbury that he could be the starting shooting guard for the rest of the season yesterday, but Marbury still chose not to play.

    It’s his street mentality. He’s incapable of even understanding how this looks to the rest of the league. He’s too busy worrying about ego related and power struggle issues to simply go out, play, and deal with the business issues seperately. He’s walking poison. The NBA can’t get rid of this idiot fast enough so that he doesn’t poison some other team.

  16. Captain Merlin

    Despite his dearth of skills on the court, Q has earned himself a certain amount of respect in my book as a result of his speaking out against Steph. There’s something I just find so indescribably fantastic when someone on the team actually cares enough to be pissed off and to go on record about it. Some sort of galvanizing, endearing effect. I like it.

  17. jon abbey

    Whatever, I still take Marbury’s side.

    me too, I think he should hold out until they give him a raise for all of this mental trauma he’s had to endure.

  18. DS

    How short the celebration of unloading Z-Bo’s and Crawford’s contracts lasted! I realize we, as obsessive Knicks fans, need something to talk about until some key guys get healthy and the new guys assimilate a little better. But you guys sound down! Tim Thomas will be moved to the Malik Rose slot soon enough. Steph could have helped them the last two games but will be little more than a side note again soon. Danilo has proven nothing but Jesus give the guy more than 40 mins of PT before you write him off.

  19. Captain Merlin

    I was not so much agreeing with Q’s view on it as I was with the fact that he was showing some semblance of emotion/anger/caring/etc. That is what is refreshing, not that the others hate Marbury. Were that the case, I would have been refresed long ago.

    Clipper red goes very well with Zach’s figure. So does the Clipper name and all it has stood for.

  20. Owen

    “Despite his dearth of skills on the court, Q has earned himself a certain amount of respect in my book as a result of his speaking out against Steph.”

    No one seems to have noticed, but Q has actually played well this year. Above average at least, returning almost to the form he showed two years ago. He is hitting 2.7 threes per game, grabbing seven rebounds, and scoring 14 per 36 on 55.5% ts%, the highest of his career.

    “How short the celebration of unloading Z-Bo’s and Crawford’s contracts lasted!”

    Say what? The party is still rolling at my place, Jon Abbey’s champagne is still flowing, c’mon over anytime….

  21. Ben R

    I am going to try my hand at a little optimism. I am not used to this so be warned.

    I think both of our new players will play well in this system and once they get acclimated and Nate comes back we will be a better team then before the trades.

    I am not a fan of Tim Thomas because it is hard to really like a lazy player but off the bench for 20 minutes a game he is a very good piece. He is probably the best three point shooter the Knicks have, the second best rebounder and his defense is not terrible. Not good but better than Randolph and not much worse than Lee. He is also playing well so far averaging over 20 points and almost 9 rebs per 36 with a TS% of 63%. Once a game he will fail to hustle and give up an easy score, rebound or turnover but most of the time his hustle and defense are adaquate.

    As for Harrington he has looked pretty bad so far but over the last two years he has posted an above average TS%. Also he has not played in a long time and seems eager to prove his worth. He has never averaged more than 16 shots per 36 in a season so this shoot first mentality seems to be an abberation not the norm. Also after missing his first eight shots last night he calmed down and went 8-16 for 25 points over the rest of the game. He is looking like a better rebounder than I expected and his defense has been promising. Not great but he seems to hustle alot and is a definate improvement over Randolph.

    One thing I noticed on a couple of possessions in the third quarter last night is when our team is hustling and playing defense the fact that all our players are forwards means we were able to switch and rotate without much punishment. If Q is our 2 guard and Chandler is our SF we have alot of size on the defensive end and could give teams problems by rotating well and preventing bad matchups.

    With Marbury done for the season and Mobley probably done as well we are a bit thin at guard but I think Q Rich can play the two against all but the quickest combo guards and once Nate is healthy again him and Duhon can cover most of the backcourt minutes anyway. When Jeffries comes back we will have lots of options at the 3-5 with 5 players, 6 when Gallinari returns, all able to log helpful minutes.

    I personally like the idea of a lineup like:

    Duhon
    Q Rich
    Chandler
    Harrington
    Lee

    with Nate, Thomas and Jeffries coming off the bench.

    The upside of this lineup is with Q Rich, Nate and Duhon as our backcourt we get great rebounding to help offset the size we give up in the frontcourt.

    Once things get rolling this team will be fun to watch and should be competitive in most games.

  22. T-Mart

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3730827

    Marbury to be either released or sent home permanently.

    Paging Thomas B, is it me or is there something fishy going on here from a legal stand point which may shed some light on the true facts. If we are to believe that Marbury did indeed refuse to play both times, this would be as textbook a breach of contract case as you will ever see. Marbury’s refusal to perform his portion of the K would automatically give the Knicks the legal right to suspend their end. But they haven’t, instead this article is suggesting the Knicks will either release him or send him home permanently.
    This leads me to believe that he has not unilaterally refused to play. I think their is enough tangible culpability on the Knicks side here in terms of Marbury playing or not playing and the grey message they have been sending him, to make an underlying breach of contract refusal to pay Marbury, nonviable.

    Point being, I think there might be more fault with the Knicks then we may be seeing due largely in part to the Knicks schooling Marbury in the PR game. I still think most of the fault lays with Marbury, just maybe less then we are perceiving.

  23. jon abbey

    Marbury claimed after the first time that it wasn’t refusing to play, because refusing to play is when you’re on the bench and the coach points at you and you say no.

    anyway, I hope he’s not released unless he takes a major cut on his salary, let him sit home all year. it makes me laugh that he or anyone else thinks he’s going to be an impact player in this league on some other team, he just isn’t very good anymore.

  24. GiantsKnicksFan420

    why have marbury home when we can use his roster spot for another guard? eihter by trade or even scraps. better to have a willing and able body than this. even if the talent level isnt the same, this turd is only hurting not helping.

  25. Brian Cronin

    Oh, yeah, I still think D’Antoni handled the situation horribly, but Marbury just has got to play the second time he’s asked. He should have agreed the first time, but I understood it – I can’t understand saying no again.

    And it’s good to see his teammates take him to task for it.

  26. Ray

    Even though Q-Rich has incredibly declining skills I have to respect him for his commitment to the team. He works hard and plays D and sometimes his body betrays him (Back, Ankle,Whatever injury is next) but still he comes to play and tries to be a locker room leader.

  27. 5x5

    I’m sorry, but there’s a big difference in saying “I am not playing,” and saying “I don’t want to play.” The Knicks can suspend Marbury if they want to, but he’s getting his money back upon appeal.

    The Knicks organization has zero credibility around the league, and I expect the players union to continue to stand up to a corrupt franchise that thinks that public humiliation and media feuds are acceptable business practices. As for Richardson, he can say what he likes (and perhaps justifiably so from his perspective), but D’Antoni told Marbury that he was no longer a part of the team in no uncertain terms from game one; whether he knows it or not, Richardson is part of the problem – both as an overpaid underachiever, and as another member of the Knicks that can’t keep the house drama behind closed doors.

    Give Marbury his 21.9 M and put everyone out of their misery. This situation is hurting the team, and it needs to end immediately. After millions of dollars of buyouts, this is when Dolan gets fiscally responsible?

  28. Z

    “The Knicks organization has zero credibility around the league”

    The organization actually DOES have credibility, as evidenced in the Larry Brown settlement.

  29. 5x5

    The organization actually DOES have credibility, as evidenced in the Larry Brown settlement.

    I think that settlement was heavily in Larry Brown’s favor. David Stern still awarded Larry Brown $18.5 M (almost 2 year’s pay of the 4 year contract), which is far better than the $6 M settlement he received from the Pistons (1 year’s pay out of 3 year contract). Brown was the one who added the stipulation in his contract with the Knicks that Stern would rule on the settlement, because he knew that he’d get a much better deal. Before, and after an $11.5 M sexual harassment settlement, the Knicks front office is more of an embarrassment to New York and the NBA than any 23-59 team on the floor of MSG.

  30. Z

    “I think that settlement was heavily in Larry Brown’s favor…”

    Brown was owed $43 million and sought an extra $12 million in damages. He was forced to settle for $18.5 by the commissioner. How is that settlement heavily in Brown’s favor??

    Besides, Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni’s credibility is not penalized by Isiah Thomas’ sex scandal.

  31. 5x5

    Z, I won’t say anything more on the subject, but making out with $28.5 M after a 23-59 season when Brown had violated multiple clauses in his contract seems like a good deal to me :) First off, you always sue for more than you think you could ever get, and second, Stern gave Brown the maximum amount of money that he could award him while keeping the peace with the other owners.

    My point before was that I am still sickened by the Knicks front office. I thought Walsh and D’Antoni were going to bring some much needed maturity to the American Apparel of the NBA, but no – they’ve handled the Marbury situation deplorably. Stupidity starts at the top, and Dolan still owns the team.

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