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Wednesday, March 20, 2019

Knicks 2017 Roundtable: Porzingis’ Efficiency

Over/Under: Porzingis’ TS% .54% (last year 51.8%)

Fisher-Cohen: OVER! KP’s major issues last season were stamina and the triangle offense. The triangle is hopefully pretty much gone, and the new coach has a history of success utilizing what should be Porzingis’s bread and butter: pick and pop. Frye and Markieff Morris thrived under Hornacek because he recognized the value of pick and pop, which is hopefully something he can repeat here in NY even if his guards are a lot worse.

The thing is, KP wasn’t a great three point shooter last year — 33% for the season. Things get interesting though when you look at his splits. Porzingis shot 38.7% from three in the first half of games and just 27.8% in the second half. If he can maintain that 38.7% shooting through entire games, he’s up to a 54.3% TS%. I’m hopeful that he can accomplish that.

Plugh: I’m also saying, emphatically, OVER! Hornacek understands how to use his new toy, as Max pointed out, and you can already see KP taking advantage of his new crossover, his comfortable spots on the floor, and his improved shooting mechanics. Over the summer it’s like they took a beautiful piece of sculpture and painted it in technicolor. Does that even make sense? Whatever. Go with it.

I also think the addition of penetrating point guards is going to improve his opportunities by leaps and bounds. You already see Porzingis passing up the contested, straight on three in favor of moving the ball, finding better position and shooting on the second go around. Last season he often felt the need to shoot from 5 feet behind the arc because he knew he wasn’t going to get another decent touch. Rose and Jennings will create havoc in the lane and get him some open looks from three, not to mention some sweet lobs around the rim. When I see how Brandon Jennings has turned Kyle O’Quinn into a close-range offensive threat, I start drooling thinking about KP’s run with the second unit.

Kurylo: I tried to determine this out as objectively as possible. So I took a look at all of the 20 year old rookies over the last 10 seasons that played 2000 or more minutes. Sorted by ts%, Porzingis was a spot above the median with 51.8% ts%. In the middle was Derrick Rose at 51.6%. Then I looked at a similar list of 21 year old second year players. The median of this group is Kyle Lowry (53.1%) and DeMar DeRozan (53.0%). Again Derrick Rose appears on this list, a spot above Lowry with 53.2%.

Based on this data, it’s possible that Porzingis tops 54% ts%. As you can see Monta Ellis did it, and he’s just 3 and a half spots above the median. Nonetheless the evidence isn’t in Zinger’s favor, so I’ll stick with the UNDER. Sure call me a pessimist, but one of us has to be right.

Rk Player Season Tm TS% WS PTS/36
1 James Harden 2010-11 OKC 0.598 7.1 16.4
2 Jonas Valanciunas 2013-14 TOR 0.579 6.7 14.5
3 Serge Ibaka 2010-11 OKC 0.579 7.6 13.1
4 Danilo Gallinari 2009-10 NYK 0.575 5.6 16.0
5 Eric Gordon 2009-10 LAC 0.571 3.2 16.9
6 Brook Lopez 2009-10 NJN 0.57 7.9 18.3
7 Gordon Hayward 2011-12 UTA 0.568 4.9 14.0
8 Gary Harris 2015-16 DEN 0.566 4 13.8
9 Greg Monroe 2011-12 DET 0.563 7 17.6
10 Ben McLemore 2014-15 SAC 0.552 2.5 13.4
11 Mike Conley 2008-09 MEM 0.548 4.5 12.8
12 Rudy Gay 2007-08 MEM 0.546 5 19.6
13 Monta Ellis 2006-07 GSW 0.545 4 17.4
14 Chris Paul 2006-07 NOK 0.537 8.8 16.9
15 Derrick Rose 2009-10 CHI 0.532 6 20.3
16 Kyle Lowry 2007-08 MEM 0.531 3.4 13.6
17 DeMar DeRozan 2010-11 TOR 0.53 3.2 17.8
18 Tristan Thompson 2012-13 CLE 0.516 5.2 13.4
19 Wilson Chandler 2008-09 NYK 0.515 3.1 15.6
20 Rajon Rondo 2007-08 BOS 0.515 7.2 12.7
21 Brandon Knight 2012-13 DET 0.511 1.1 15.2
22 Jerami Grant 2015-16 PHI 0.506 2.1 13.1
23 Michael Beasley 2009-10 MIA 0.505 4.6 17.9
24 John Wall 2011-12 WAS 0.502 3.5 16.2
25 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 2014-15 DET 0.501 2.8 14.5
26 Jared Sullinger 2013-14 BOS 0.497 3.9 17.3
27 Brandon Jennings 2010-11 MIL 0.493 3.9 16.9
28 Russell Westbrook 2009-10 OKC 0.491 6.1 16.9
29 Harrison Barnes 2013-14 GSW 0.486 3.2 12.1
30 Tyreke Evans 2010-11 SAC 0.482 1.6 17.3
31 Julius Randle 2015-16 LAL 0.482 1.6 14.5
32 Elfrid Payton 2015-16 ORL 0.478 2.2 13.1
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97 comments on “Knicks 2017 Roundtable: Porzingis’ Efficiency

  1. Mike Kurylo Post author

    reub October 26, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    Do you call yourselves fans?

    Why do you follow the Knicks?

    Yes it seems ridiculous that some people would voluntarily do an act where they are the person with the dissenting opinion and clearly doesn’t fit in with the rest of the group. Especially when their opinion doesn’t line up with facts so they are consistently wrong and have zero credibility, all the while other options exists.

  2. Z-man

    Regarding the last thread, just to be clear, I don’t agree with Theo at all on his gloomy predictions. I only agree that a case can be made that only based on recent performance, the Knicks don’t have any players who can be counted on to perform at an above average starter level, not a single one! (which is not the same as above replacement level, a much lower standard. Melo, KP and Lee arguably performed above that lower standard last year.) An I am on the record predicting 42 wins, largely based on the premise that Melo, KP, Noah and Rose will play better than they have recently, and that one or two bench guys will step up.

  3. Theo

    Regarding the last thread, just to be clear, I don’t agree with Theo at all on his gloomy predictions

    What’s “gloomy” about projecting the team to win 37 games this season with a 3-game error margin? (I put it in writing here long before it became a betting line – check it out).

    Why is my analysis “gloomy” for reaching conclusions based on available data?

    Should I become more popular by claiming (as many do on this blog daily) that Porzingis a an all-time-great before he even puts up a great season?

    Shoul I think Phil Jackson has done a great job when the result after 3 years of work is one of the worst records in the NBA over the same period and a currently capped-out team that is projected to not make the playoffs for a 4th straight year?

    Get real! Stop the veiled attacks at people showing a bit more objectivity and work a bit on your own analytical skills

  4. glidepath

    Possibly even worse. You’re touting your own “analytical skills” in order to defend some half baked argument about starters on a top-10 team, which is a worthless method of player evaluation

  5. DRed

    You’re touting your own “analytical skills” in order to defend some half baked argument about starters on a top-10 team, which is a worthless method of player evaluation

    preach!

  6. DRed

    Why do you guys continue to entertain a troll who’s the all time leader in Knickeblogger bans?

    We talking theo or reub?

  7. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

    Daily post about the Ron Baker campaign for starting PG in 2016

  8. wetbandit

    If all of us said the same things, this would be a pretty boring site. We have quite a few contrarians here, some better than others, and I hate the fact that we lost a few over the years who were in the “better” column. Theo, Reub, and the others are great, if only to serve as a devil’s advocate. It doesn’t take all that long to read their stuff.

  9. Cock Jowles, Betting the Under in 2017

    I’m so glad I’m not the board’s most polarizing figure. Perhaps it’s that only based on recent performance, I haven’t been all that incisive. I’ll do better, guys.

  10. wetbandit

    Herring’s seven predictions sound like he reads our threads:

    1. Our defense will be one of the worst at guarding the 3.

    2. Our offense will be modernized (more 3’s, pick and roll/pop… ironically, he says that since Rose missed so much of the preseason/training camp, Hornacek is ‘forced’ to run simpler PNR type plays)

    3. KP will have >5 3PA/game

    4. Bench players will not be able to play without starters, because they stink.

    5. Vujacic will EARN a real rotation spot.

    6. We will still have a low FT rate

    7. We will suck until at least December, because 10/15 players + coach are all new, with new system, and against playoff teams for the first 2 months.

    … no argument for any of this

  11. Theo

    Telling the truth in a sports blog is a dity job, but someone’s gotta do it, guys!

    Even if that means the blind roaches will be darting out of the woodwork, strawman-argument in hand, ready to attack the one disturbing the playoff-less peace.

    Happy dreams!

  12. wetbandit

    Also, Jared Dubin keeps repeating his baseless theory that we got Jennings and Rose for Phil to experiment Hornacek’s hybrid modern/triangle system with penetrating guards until he can get a good PG next year. I hope this is true. I have no faith in either Rose or Jennings long-term (except BJ as a backup)

  13. DRed

    Got to disagree with Mr. Herring on this:

    “While the Knicks have a pair of mobile big men in Joakim Noah and Kristaps Porzingis, playing two bigs together in the lineup makes them more vulnerable against teams that like to spread the floor.”

    We may well struggle to limit 3’s this season, but we were good at limiting attempts last year playing with the notably immobile Robin Lopez paired with Porzingis a large part of the time.

  14. glidepath

    Even if that means the blind roaches will be darting out of the woodwork, strawman-argument in hand, ready to attack the one disturbing the playoff-less peace.

    Most people on this board don’t think we’re making the playoffs. They do, however, think that your self-aggrandizing smugness wouldn’t be so repugnant if it were occasionally backed by intelligent arguments.

    Looking at you here, Jowles

  15. ptmilo

    Bad news. Herring is moving to 538 to do general NBA. Why can’t we have good things? Also, 538 started off okay but seems to get a little worse every day.

  16. swiftandabundant

    I mean both of them are on one year deals so there’s no proof Phil wants to keep either of them past this year esp with CP3, melo’s buddy, being a free agent next year.

  17. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

    Sad to see Herring go to that “statistical” Silverite meme-land in the sky

  18. DRed

    Interesting thing about Herring going to 538 is he’s not a stats guy, really. He’s like me, in that he talks about stats, but he doesn’t actually understand them.

  19. Nick C.

    Jowles posts tilt the board creating more space for all the one trick pony posters to operate. lol

  20. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

    Most people on this board don’t think we’re making the playoffs. They do, however, think that your self-aggrandizing smugness wouldn’t be so repugnant if it were occasionally backed by intelligent arguments.

    Looking at you here, Jowles

    this is the nicest backhanded compliment I’ve received all season

  21. Dough Chew

    I’m so glad I’m not the board’s most polarizing figure. Perhaps it’s that only based on recent performance, I haven’t been all that incisive. I’ll do better, guys.

    Cleary #TEAMPESSIMIST fails to take your season splits into account. The emergence of Theo has dropped your TRG (Trollage) under 20.0, which has knock-on effects on your box score stats. I have every confidence that despite a disappointing second half to the season, you could easily be the most antagonizing figure on any top 10 NBA blog.

  22. Dough Chew

    It’s not the negativity. It’s the fact that you’re the reub of negativity

    Theo is reverse reub. Buer

    I’d be willing to overlook some of the relentlessly self-righteous gloom if he was funny once in a while.

  23. Dough Chew

    I got O.J. Mayo-ed by r/nba…

    Generally over there you need to use smaller words and more dank memes.

  24. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

    Was an argument over whether a steal results in a:

    1) lost scoring opportunity for offending team
    2) lost scoring opportunity for offending team AND extra scoring possession for other team

    Objective truth lost that debate, and I was summarily banned.

  25. Ras1980

    Funny thing is that KP still takes those terrible 3-point attempts from way out. He just has a penchant for them.

    Also, its going to be hard to implement a pick and pop when the guard he’s screening for doesn’t want to pass the ball.

  26. Ras1980

    I was just watching the Myles Turner highlights. He looks like a fucking beast. His mid-range shot is sweet as hell and his tenacity on the boards is solid. Could he be the one to take a major leap his second year in the NBA?

  27. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

    Myles turner projected to be one of the best players in that draft so I wouldn’t be surprised at all

  28. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

    Turner’s FGM last night:

    PnR dunk
    10′ jumper on a 1-on-1 in the paint
    garbage layup on a Kobe assist
    triple-teamed bank shot off guard’s dribble penetration
    wild floater after foul
    garbage layup on a Kobe assist
    20′ midrange (wide open)
    15′ contested jumper
    3 pointer with defender closing out
    transition dunk (no defender)

    Paint points in bold. Kinda crazy how big men in the paint are scoring baskets in today’s NBA.

  29. d-mar

    I love Zinger to death, but would trade him straight up for Myles Turner in 2 shakes of the proverbial lamb’s tail.

  30. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

    That’s a blazing hot take

    I like Turner a lot, and might be slightly more bearish about KP’s prospects than most here, but I’d still probably keep KP

  31. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

    I have no problem with Porzingis as a future franchise-type player. Dude is going to be an All-NBA defender in a couple years. If he puts up slightly above-average volume and efficiency at some point, he’s exactly the kind of guy you hope to draft at #4.

    Davis and Towns… are there any other players 23 and under that would be unanimously okay to trade Porzingis straight-up for? Giannis?

  32. DRed

    That draft was loaded. There’s only 3-4 guys who went before Turner that I would definitely taken Myles over. It’s not like he fell to 28th

  33. d-mar

    Sorry, wake me up when Zinger puts up 30 points, 16 rebounds (10 offensive), 2 steals and 4 blocks like Turner did last night.

    I’m thrilled we have Porzingis, and he may develop into a perennial All-Star. But Turner is something really special, and may end up being the 2nd best player out of that draft.

  34. Mike Kurylo Post author

    How am I doink?

    Of Kristaps Porzingis, Justise Winslow, Mario Hezonja, Trey Lyles, Willie Cauley-Stein, Frank Kaminksy, and Stanley Johnson, which is going to have the best NBA career?

    Kurylo: I‘m going off the list. Myles Turner’s stats have me drooling: 11.8reb/40 and 4.7 blk/40. Both of those numbers are right in-line with Karl Towns (12.7/4.2). He also hits 83.9% of his free throws as well, and he’s no stranger from the 3 point line (3.3 3PA/40), but only at 27.4%. So at worst offensively he should be OK with the pick & pop, and he’s got a shot at being able to stretch the floor offensively. Defensively I think he’ll be good given his numbers and size (7-0).

  35. nicos

    You’re probably not going to see a lot of games like that from KP until he starts getting the majority of his minutes at the five. If he can get strong enough to be a full time five I think he’s going to be solidly better than Turner. He might not have the frame for it though and while I think he can still be a very good four it’ll lower lower his ceiling a bit. He moves great for a five and obviously can play on the perimeter well enough to create big mismatches there. As a four, he’s pretty average getting up and down the floor and his perimeter game is still nice but hardly unique.

  36. er

    Sorry, wake me up when Zinger puts up 30 points, 16 rebounds (10 offensive), 2 steals and 4 blocks like Turner did last night.

    That line isn’t really that crazy. Its a great line but come on.

  37. massive

    Where was d-mar when KP had 24 points, 14 rebounds, 2 3PM and 7 blocks in Houston last year as a rookie? 23 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, and 4 3PM in Cleveland last year? 29 and 10 against the Bulls?

    This is Myles Turner’s first big game, bro. KP was lighting people up as a rookie and is already the best defender on the Knicks. Turner may end up being a better pro but it ain’t evident as of today.

  38. d-mar

    This is Myles Turner’s first big game, bro

    3/24/16 24 pts., 16 rebounds, 3 blocks
    4/10/16 28 pts., 10 rebounds

    He also missed 20 games due to injury

    2015-2016 TS% .532 (Porzingis .518)

    Look it’s just my opinion, but all I’m saying is I think that Turner will have the better career. But I could be wrong, which as a Knicks fan would be a great thing!

  39. ClashFan

    Sorry to hear about Herring leaving. Yeah, no good beat writers, now.

    Has Chasson Randle been picked up by anyone, yet? Just curious.

  40. dtrickey

    I think thing we are overlooking here is that once guys like KP, KAT, Turner and Davis (if he’s not already there), how spoilt we are going to be as fans when they all hit their prime. We are slowly seeing a shift from exceptional point guards being drafted every year, to a new era of modern bigs which is really refreshing.

    As for KP, I would be willing to give overs on his efficiency, based on the potential for better looks in Checkers system. More pick and pop will help KP big time.

    Also, great game for Myles Turner, but lets not count the chickens before they hatch. Definitely not saying he won’t be a stud, but let’s just see if he can put together a consistent line night in and night out. He definitely has the tools, but could be tough this season considering he is likely to be at this stage 3rd/4th option on offense. That could very well change though if he keeps putting up video game numbers though!

  41. Theo

    Look it’s just my opinion, but all I’m saying is I think that Turner will have the better career

    I agree. That said, Porzingis has not gotten hurt like Turner has, so that’s a plus for our rookie. A tiny cloud on Porzingis’ otherwise bright horizon is the fact he is not quite a rookie, having two full years of professional experience in Europe.

    Only time will tell, but if I had to bet, my money would be on Turner.

  42. thenamestsam

    I think thing we are overlooking here is that once guys like KP, KAT, Turner and Davis (if he’s not already there), how spoilt we are going to be as fans when they all hit their prime.

    Embiid and Jokic deserve to be in the conversation as well . It’s pretty crazy actually to see the quality of potentially elite NBA big men entering the league over the last few seasons. I’ve been thinking about it a lot and wondering whether it’s just random variation, or whether the evolution of what’s needed at the big man spot has had enough time to trickle down to the youth ranks and we’re going to be seeing a lot more “modern” bigs going forward.

    As for the topic du jour, I’ll say it’s not unreasonable to prefer Turner to Porzingis, but it’s splitting hairs to the degree that it’s pointless to opine on and it just makes it seem like you’re looking to find something to hate on.

  43. d-mar

    Myles Turner might be better than Porzingis. I’m not sure how you’d be able to know that now

    DRed, of course it’s speculation, who knows how these guys will turn out? Who knew when Steph Curry was drafted that he would become the player he is now?

    So obviously I don’t know that Turner will have a better career than Porzingis, I just think it will be the case.

  44. Z-man

    http://bkref.com/tiny/K40wK

    Based on their respective firat year stats, I’m not sure where we have any objective evidence that Myles Turner will have a better career than Kristaps Porzingis. Based on per 36 stats, Kristaps rebounds as well or better, blocks as well, shoots 3’s far more often and better, shoots FTs better, has a higher Free throw rate, and fouls at a lower rate. Turner shoots 2’s better and has a higher TS% but at a lower usage, and turns the ball over less, but again, at a lower usage.

    I don’t think a single GM in the league would take Turner over Porzingis right now, mainly because Porzingis has a much higher ceiling based on his height/length and 3-point shooting. For Turner to have a better career, Porzingis will have to essentially stop developing at some point, which could happen, but it would be foolish to bet against it.

    I think it is fair to say that both the Knicks and the Pacers are thrilled with what they have.

  45. Z-man

    On another note, the league is suddenly big-ma rich these days. Maybe not in the Ewing-Hakeem-Robinsin mode but there are LOTS of (potentially) excellent 2-way big-man out there.

  46. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

    What are you basing this on?

    unrelenting hate

    I don’t think a single GM in the league would take Turner over Porzingis right now, mainly because Porzingis has a much higher ceiling based on his height/length and 3-point shooting.

    You’re a crazy homer. I agree that Porzingis projects well, but your emotionally-driven bias is pretty g/d strong on this.

  47. Z-man

    Why the personal attack? Why not just disagree with the point and tell me who YOU would pick if you were a GM? All I said that while it’s close, Porzingis has more upside and would therefore be the better prospect. I backed it up with last year’s stats.

    PS if you think I’m a crazy homer, you didn’t read post #3, or yesterday’s thread, where I defending your fellow wet blanket. But I guess that’s why you guys spend so much time and energy posting on a website of a team you don’t even like…probably not much else going on.

  48. ptmilo

    I would take Porzingis. Turner looks good though. Winslow also looks like he’ll take a step this year. See Wade Baldwin? Got minutes with Conley and they looked pretty effective together.

  49. Owen

    I believe I loved Myles Turner on draft day. He was really good and really young in college, half a year younger than Porzingis. And finding a big man who shoots 84% on foul shots is difficult, though his NBA numbers have been lower. I took him second in a fantasy draft.

    I don’t really know what reason there would be to prefer Turner over Porzingis at this point but I think an objective person would say it’s a coin flip at this point. Lot to like with both. .

  50. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

    You know you’re a crazy (slang for a generic intensifier) homer, so why take it as an insult? You know that your defense of all things Knicks runs beyond the rational. You’ve acknowledged it, and I was just pointing it out. If you choose to take it as me saying that you suffer from cognitive dissonance beyond the pale, that’s fine, but that’s not what I said, exactly. You’re a homer. I’m not. It’s okay. Breathe, my dude.

    And Porzingis and Turner had similarly mediocre rookie years. Tons of upside for both players. The idea that it’s consensus among NBA front offices? C’mon, man. This is not Towns vs. Mudiay, here.

  51. Z-man

    Jowles, now you’re just being obtuse. You know that while I’m a diehard fan, I don’t defend all things Knicks, and to say otherwise makes me wonder if you’ve taking too much advantage of Oregon’s peculiar legalities. As I said, check the prior thread. If you need help, there’s a link to the previous thread above. It’s blue with arrows pointing left. Click the one in the middle.

  52. reub

    I do more for the ratings here than all of you nattering nabobs of negativity for sure.

    You can consider me the token Knicks fan in a sea of self-haters.

  53. Z-man

    They did have alike rookie years, but KP is three inches taller and can shoot 3’s. That tilts the scales, even if only slightly. I think nearly all GMs would agree.

    There, I used no words more than two syllables. Make more sense now?

  54. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

    er, you are certainly the board’s token stoner, but I’m not sure to what token you refer here

  55. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

    There, I used no words more than two syllables. Make more sense now?

    you misunderestimate me

  56. dtrickey

    Embiid and Jokic deserve to be in the conversation as well .

    Absolutely should be considered in the discussion, and I completely forgot about those two. Embiid I guess is easy to overlook considering he has been out for so long and his first game was only two days ago. Jokic, definitely should be included; and I think it has been well documented here from a statistical perspective that he rates among the best of the upcoming big men crop. exciting times for a league that has been dominated by PG play (although in fairness it has been pretty damn entertaining to watch).

  57. yellowboy90

    I was high on Turner before the draft and was even cool if the knicks had traded down to get him and other picks but I would still take KP. I think KP will start to really break out into stardom in 3 years like scouts thought he would break the surface of being a starter level player. He just needs to get stronger so he can finish through contact better but once he adds the strength(not necessarily weight) I think he will start to really blossom.

  58. Owen

    All this talk about Turner and didn’t realize what AD did. I knew he had a nice game but holy cow…..

    That looks like a KB in Minny situation to me…

  59. Mike Kurylo Post author

    My point wasn’t that Turner was better than Porzingis. But rather given the guys I named were slated to go higher than Myles, I’m pretty happy with my assessment. Ironic that not the greatest basketball minds on earth with rings, super computers, video libraries, and statistical methods beyond our comprehension, but some guy in his mom’s basement, and could pick out an amateur that would perform better at the professional level by just applying some basic knowledge of statistics.

    I fee like Edward Leedskalnin, and Nick Fazekas is my Agnes.

  60. Cock Jowles, El Más Honorable

    Kevin Barnett really wasted his prime

    statistical methods beyond our comprehension

    imagination*

  61. Mike Kurylo Post author

    statistical methods beyond our comprehension

    imagination*

    Come now. Obviously the great minds of basketball not using advanced stats would be like our heads of state not using encrypted emails that can be hacked by a 15 year old. I mean PGP dates back to 1991 and could encrypt every message sent so that the original data is worthless without the correct key. Obviously they have and use privacy that we normal humans can not even comprehend.

  62. Mike Kurylo Post author

    You’d think Prokhorov could get some buddies back home to hack the Knicks FO? Although I have a feeling they just use post-it notes and pneumatic tubes to pass along information. Their advanced scouts have an AM radio on to check out upcoming opponents.

  63. d-mar

    If Isaiah Thomas ever gets hurt, Boston will be in trouble, he’s their entire offense in the 4th quarter.

  64. Ras1980

    I wonder about the effect that playing with a superstar has on young talented players who have to take a backseat. D’Angelo Russell looked better playing outside Kobe’s shadow. I wonder if the same can be said of KP playing without Rose/Melo dominating the offense.

    Also, just to throw in my two cents with the KP debate I think the biggest problem separating him from dudes like Turner is his shaky handle. He’s in a weird tweener phase right now where his handle isn’t good enough to take the next level at F and but his strength or size isn’t enough to bang at center. His future development will rest on an ability to develop either.

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