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Sunday, October 26, 2014

Knicks 2013 Summer League Roster Breakdown

I thought it’d be pointless to go over the guys you probably already know, like Shumpert, HardaJu (that’s what I’m going with for now), C.J. Leslie, and summer league Hall of Fame Member, Jerome Jordan. So I bring you my scouting report on the lesser known souls that will be suiting up for New York this summer in the hopes of finding someone that’ll be worth keeping an eye on.

J’Covan Brown: “There honestly isn’t much to like about [him] as a pro prospect. While [other] players … have something in their numbers that make them semi-intriguing, [he comes] up short in every stat. “

Justin Brownlee: Put up a 51.6% TS% in the D-League last year. Good assist to turnover ratio, but sub-30% from downtown.

Terrence Jennings: Another D-Leaguer that can’t score efficiently (48.9% TS%). However Jennings seems to be able to block shots (2.5 blk/36) and rebound on the offensive end (3.0 oreb/36).

A.J. Matthews: Matthews is 7 feet tall and apparently likes hamburgers. That’s it for the positives.

Draft Express killed him on twitter:

DraftExpress: Not a single NBA scout in the building to see A.J. Matthews despite playing in downtown Brooklyn. Not a good sign for him. I think I see why

DraftExpress: Trying to decide what’s worse watching A.J. Matthews and thinking he’s worth touting as a NBA prospect or never seeing him and doing so…

DraftExpress: Let’s just say I’m glad I only traveled 1.5 miles for this. Super underwhelming… MT @cnibbb1486 A.J. Matthews is just not an nba talent

DraftExpress: Leaving at half. Here’s the scouting report A.J. Matthews is 6-10 not 7-1. Average frame\/athlete. No motor\/fundamentals\/feel. NBA? Come on

If this doesn’t pan out, perhaps Matthews can take his two talents to Shake Shack, where he can use his superior reach to hand out hockey pucks to those at the tail end of their never-ending lines.

Tony Mitchell: At Fort Wayne, Mitchell averaged 21.9 pts/g (22.3 pts/36) on a 50.7% TS%.

That’s it. I’m calculating the league average for the NBDL last year … multiply by .44 … 52.8%. Really we can’t find someone over that mark? I guess the one thing a team with Carmelo Anthony, Amar’e Stoudemire, and Andrea Bargnani is more volume shooters…

Toure Murry: Ahhh finally, a TS of north of mediocrity. Murry shot 53.9% TS% for the Rio Grande Valley Garbage Collectors (that’s not just the team name, that’s what the guys do between games to earn a little extra scrap.) He likes close up magic (2.5 stl/36), but his rebounding numbers are low, so it’s hard to see him as a superior-physical-specimen/lockdown defender. His turnovers are a bit alarming as well (3.1 to/36), so it might be a mixed bag.

Chris Smith: Little Pipe

Jeremy Tyler: REBOUNDING ALERT! REBOUNDING ALERT! Tyler is a hyalophile with 10.9 reb/36 in the Dees and 4.1 of those coming off of his team’s misses. Doesn’t really block shots, but can score (21.7 pts/36, 57.9% TS%) albeit at an absurd turnover rate (5.0 to/36). Seems to hack like crazy as well.

BTW, with his statistical skillset (REBOUNDING!), take a guess at which statistical site is gushing over him?

Eloy Vargas: Vargas shot 30.8% on three pointers his last year at Kentucky. Wait that’s free throws? And he only hit 1/3 of his shots from the field. What the @#@& @#*(%#-*#$&@ (^@*!!!

Summary: So there you have it folks. Murry and Tyler have the statistical profile that could indicate they become productive NBA players. Mitchell might pan out, and Jennings is a long shot. As for the rest, I’m hoping they get an invite to the Edmure Tully-Roslin Frey wedding.

66 comments on “Knicks 2013 Summer League Roster Breakdown

  1. johnno

    I’m pretty sure that Hoopsanalyst blurb is about the other Tony Mitchell. This guy is a wing, not a PF.

  2. Z-man

    What’s this? A battle between Ted Nelson and Jon Abbey, posts from TDM and Crockett, an article by Mike K, all in one week! What’s next, Italian Stallion? The return of Isiah to the front office?

  3. MKinLA

    Hopefully, it means we sign Jared Jeffries yet again (on a vet’s minimum deal, naturally).

  4. Hubert

    I’m irrationally excited about Jeremy Tyler. We all put too much stock in mentoring, I think, but a guy like Tyson Chandler could help him out a lot.

  5. TDM

    @Z-man – classic!

    Anyone notice that Jerome Jordan is also playing (unspectacularly) for the Pacers in the Orlando Summer League? He’s only getting 10 min/g and has 2 personal fouls, 3 turnovers and zero points. Conversely, Mason Plumlee has been killing it.

  6. DCrockett17

    Z-man:
    What’s this? A battle between Ted Nelson and Jon Abbey, posts from TDM and Crockett, an article by Mike K, all in one week! What’s next, Italian Stallion? The return of Isiah to the front office?

    This more than anything is how you know the Knicks will suck this year.

    Boom.

    History.

  7. massive

    Bynum is meeting with Atlanta. I guess he’s just weighing his options right now, but I’m hoping he takes a two year deal. A two year deal for Bynum just makes the 2015 market that much better.

  8. TDM

    The second year of the Cavs offer to Bynum is reportedly a team option, so it is really a one year deal from the cav’s perspective. It is also laden with performance incentives based upon games played, etc. Sounds like Cavs are proceeding with keeping 2015 flexibility in mind.

  9. Brian Cronin

    Bynum is meeting with Atlanta. I guess he’s just weighing his options right now, but I’m hoping he takes a two year deal. A two year deal for Bynum just makes the 2015 market that much better.

    Agreed, that is the best case scenario for the Knicks. Not a great one for Bynum, but great for the Knicks!

  10. Brian Cronin

    It sure would be nice to see Artest on the Knicks, even if he is not nearly the same player he once was. He had some inspired play for the Lakers just last year as D’Antoni leaned on him a lot to cover up the defensive deficiencies of the rest of the Lakers (including, pathetically, Howard last season, who seemed to just not give a shit on D). Artest will always give a shit on D.

  11. Brian Cronin

    By the way, for the record, I will be referring to him as Artest if he ends up as a Knick.

  12. mura2337

    Love to see Artest on the Knicks. Would love it more if it were 10 years ago, but what are you gonna do? If anything, hopefully the benefit would be paid to Shumpert, in terms of defensive knowledge.

  13. mura2337

    Brian Cronin
    July 9, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    By the way, for the record, I will be referring to him as Artest if he ends up as a Knick.

    You would’ve shamed not only Artest, but Queens and St. Johns if you’ve referred to him as anything else.

  14. BigBlueAL

    Would love Artest, but how about Turkoglu?? Looks like he will be bought out from Orlando.

  15. max fisher-cohen

    BigBlueAL:
    Would love Artest, but how about Turkoglu??Looks like he will be bought out from Orlando.

    Rumors of Drew Gooden being amnestied by the bucks as well. So many washed up players to choose from!

  16. BigBlueAL

    Hey man thats all we can go shopping for now, just trying to figure out the best of the dreck.

  17. Brian Cronin

    The Pistons are now adding another big man in Italian League MVP Luigi…something or other. How odd. Maybe they seriously are going to trade Monroe?

  18. david

    I have to say of all the washed up dreck, I’d rather see Charlie Villaneuva (about to be an amnesty) — can hit 3s, play crappy defense– than Artest (CV gives us basically what we have in Bargnani, no?) Maybe both — I think they both can play for us.

  19. david

    Also, if I’m the Pistons, I do trade Monroe (good offensively, but not great on defense) for Rondo. Rondo-Smith-Drummond is the making of an all-world defense.

  20. max fisher-cohen

    I think a good comp for Monroe is Luis Scola. He just lacks athleticism to ever be a great defender. Still, if I’m the Pistons, I’m not trading him for Rondo, who is going to be 30+ by the time Monroe is in his prime. I’d rather go for a younger guard. I’d target guys like Bradley Beal, Evan Fournier… maybe a Dion Waiters/Tristan Thompson package.

    Anyway, I really don’t see the problem of playing Monroe and Drummond together. Monroe is more of a PF than a C.

  21. Brian Cronin

    Anyway, I really don’t see the problem of playing Monroe and Drummond together. Monroe is more of a PF than a C.

    Agreed, but they have now added Josh Smith and a good European 4. It just seems odd if they’re not thinking of splitting up Monroe and Drummond.

  22. BigBlueAL

    Best case scenario is obviously Melo not opting out, playing out his contract and seeing what the Knicks can do in the summer of 2015, maybe even having Melo help out and take less than a max contract if he sees it helping them pickup a couple big time FA’s.

    Just cant see him not opting out though, in all honesty business wise it would be a bad move for him not to opt out.

  23. jon abbey

    I hope ruru is still around when Melo either goes to the Lakers or signs his $120M deal here, completely fucking us either way.

  24. massive

    And until either of those two situations happen, I’ll just sit here and hope for a Rondo/Shumpert/Melo/Bynum team for the 2015-2016 season.

    jon abbey:
    I hope ruru is still around when Melo either goes to the Lakers or signs his $120M deal here, completely fucking us either way.

  25. max fisher-cohen

    It will likely come down to what the Lakers can do in summer 2014 to make LA appealing. Even if Kobe takes a huge pay cut, you still have to figure it will take two more strong pieces to make LA look more promising than NY. There are some good RFAs in 2014 — Paul George, John Wall, Greg Monroe, Larry Sanders, Favors, Cousins — but most of those guys will stay with their teams. The UFA market is pretty shitty Luol Deng, Pau Gasol, Gortat, Pierce, Dirk. Hard to see Dirk going to the super team route.

    The only realistic thing I could see happening is let’s say Wade’s body gives out on him entirely next season and the Heat lose in the second round or something. I could totally see Lebron or Bosh opting out and choosing to see how things go in Los Angeles.

    Then there’s also the possibility that Chandler or Felton fall apart this season, in which case I could seen NY finishing around .500 and Carmelo jumping ship rather than sitting through another .500 season before 2015. I mean realistically the guy has 2-5 prime years left. Hard to blame him (even if he played a part in causing NY’s inflexibility) for jumping off what would be a sinking ship.

  26. Brian Cronin

    What I don’t like about that article is that once again Melo doesn’t actually say anything wrong and yet still gets knocked through supposition. You know, like “you just know that Melo thinks this he just won’t say it publicly or directly to the Knicks.” Unless he does say it publicly or directly to the Knicks, I don’t think it is fair to judge him on it.

  27. massive

    Say Melo takes a contract that starts at $14 million, Shump takes $6-7 million (with escalators), JR is on the books for another 6, T2 at $1.3, and Ray is on the books for 4, but hopefully he opts out in search of bigger money. That’s 31.3 or 32.3 million we’re on the books for that summer. Plus cap holds, and that leaves us with money for maybe 1 1/2 max guys. Off the jump, that sounds like Millsap/Gasol(Bynum) or Love/Asik. If we wanted to get to that perennial 60 win team status, Bynum needs to sign a two year deal this off-season and come here in 2015 with Kevin Love. Love/Bynum is the only combination that would escalate to title contention. Unless the Knicks do something like sign Rondo, Millsap, and Asik to pair with Shumpert, Melo, and JR.

    It’s in Melo’s best business interest to bring a title home to New York and win Finals MVP. He’ll have to sacrifice some of his on-court earnings if he wants to make that happen.

    BigBlueAL:
    Best case scenario is obviously Melo not opting out, playing out his contract and seeing what the Knicks can do in the summer of 2015, maybe even having Melo help out and take less than a max contract if he sees it helping them pickup a couple big time FA’s.

    Just cant see him not opting out though, in all honesty business wise it would be a bad move for him not to opt out.

  28. AvonBarksdale

    I couldn’t see it before but after remembering melo wants to act on the side also and chandler being completely useless in two playoffs in a row, the beating he has to take on the defensive end and jr smith still acting retarded, no reliable star to lean on…fuck i still think he’ll stay but LaLa might have him by the honey nuts on this one. (Sorry) I agree though the press is really pushing it even reporting on this shit and would prefer they not do this all season we can’t have that throwing a wrench in the works all year. The only drama should be how sick the Bargsanity is and our breaking of more Knicks records in all categories.

  29. Hubert

    massive:
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/melo_ing_out_zXeGnDTuMXmxj6hWn1uZrK

    Hilarious. Apparently, Melo thought the Knicks would pursue Rajon Rondo and that, because they didn’t, he’s willing to leave for LA next season.

    He could just wait two seasons, play with the team we have now, and lure Rondo in 2015 to play with Kevin Love (or hopefully Andrew Bynum will be available). This is really stupid, honestly.

    It’s funny, but I think we as Knicks fans can recognize what’s going on w the Lakers right now better than anyone.

    They’re in the 2000 Knicks phase of their demise. Dolan/Buss just beginning to exert his influence, Ewing/Kobe in serious decline on the way out, the team obviously crumbling but the fans & press have delusions of grandeur like Melo/Chris Webber are going to play for them.

    Lakers are fucked. For a while. It’s more likely Kobe comes here in 2014 for the mini-MLE than Melo goes to LA to play w Kobe. The worm has turned.

  30. Brian Cronin

    They’re in the 2000 Knicks phase of their demise. Dolan/Buss just beginning to exert his influence, Ewing/Kobe in serious decline on the way out, the team obviously crumbling but the fans & press have delusions of grandeur like Melo/Chris Webber are going to play for them.

    Lakers are fucked. For a while. It’s more likely Kobe comes here in 2014 for the mini-MLE than Melo goes to LA to play w Kobe. The worm has turned.

    That comparison does not work. The 2000 Knicks were capped out, with or without Ewing, which is why they were screwed (they made it worse by trading Ewing’s salary for more salary and then just kept on trading salary for more salary). The Lakers have no one under contract next year. They could easily rebuild. Will they rebuild well? I dunno, but they’re in a much different position than the 2000 Knicks, where we had to try to convince ourselves Player X would come play for the Knicks for less money. Here, the Lakers are actually able to get the 2000 Chris Webbers of the world.

  31. MeloDrama

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Or perhaps he had the weakest backup.

    Clark and Jamison prob played most backup 3, and both swung to the 4. I think he was a pretty nice lift for them defensively. PPR #’s aren’t perfect, but best on the team indicates he’s still flashing useful skills, esp for a team boasting volume scorers already.

  32. BigBlueAL

    Id rather watch the Knicks Summer League team than the Yankees right now. My God this is fucking brutal to watch.

  33. jon abbey

    BigBlueAL:
    Id rather watch the Knicks Summer League team than the Yankees right now.My God this is fucking brutal to watch.

    the only extra base hits our Bronx Toothpicks have in the last five games are two doubles last Friday and Overbay’s HR last night.

    as I just posted elsewhere, genius call by the powers that be to decide they couldn’t afford October hero Raul Ibanez at the lofty 1/2.75 deal he got from Seattle.

  34. AvonBarksdale

    the way the knicks handle the media and how crazy dolan is, is def. a turn off to melo probably easier to deal with owners and management in lakers organization. Knicks are always secretive,exhibit poor negotiation tactics, have poor relationship with media at times, bizarre rules that i don’t know exist but I’m assuming there is some weird shit…with Kobe on his way out Melo would takeover at just the right time and if they get kyrie irving or whoever etc. i would much rather see kobe on the knicks though. Could Lakers afford Lebron and Melo? and keep Kobe and Jeff Van Gundy/Phil Jackson would coach obviously.

  35. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey: the only extra base hits our Bronx Toothpicks have in the last five games are two doubles last Friday and Overbay’s HR last night.

    as I just posted elsewhere, genius call by the powers that be to decide they couldn’t afford October hero Raul Ibanez at the lofty 1/2.75 deal he got from Seattle.

    Sad part is doubt Hal is even watching these games nor cares. Attendance and TV ratings need to continue to plummet to get his attention and have them forget about the 189 mil payroll plan for next season.

  36. jon abbey

    Melo should play with someone better, but it should be with LeBron in MSG obviously. throw in Rondo somehow and my three plus decades of being a Knicks fan would finally be rewarded.

  37. thenoblefacehumper

    jon abbey: the only extra base hits our Bronx Toothpicks have in the last five games are two doubles last Friday and Overbay’s HR last night.

    as I just posted elsewhere, genius call by the powers that be to decide they couldn’t afford October hero Raul Ibanez at the lofty 1/2.75 deal he got from Seattle.

    I was more mad about not bringing back Chavez and especially Martin, but Raul and his 140 wRC+ sure would be nice right now. At this point if Cano doesn’t have a good game we can pretty much chalk it up as a loss.

  38. thenoblefacehumper

    As for the Knicks, if MWP goes unclaimed I think they have to be all over him. I agree there are risks, but with our cap situation we need the most cost-efficient talent we can get. It’s highly unlikely that we can find someone more productive than MWP with the minimum, even if he has declined (which he obviously has).

  39. Juany8

    Man Im kind of surprised there is such overwhelming support for artest, o love the guy but he hasn’t been particularly good lately. Good piece for the minimum though, and he’s good insurance at the 2-4 spots if everyone gets injured (and it’s the Knicks, happens kind of often)

  40. Hubert

    Brian Cronin: That comparison does not work. The 2000 Knicks were capped out, with or without Ewing, which is why they were screwed (they made it worse by trading Ewing’s salary for more salary and then just kept on trading salary for more salary). The Lakers have no one under contract next year. They could easily rebuild. Will they rebuild well? I dunno, but they’re in a much different position than the 2000 Knicks, where we had to try to convince ourselves Player X would come play for the Knicks for less money. Here, the Lakers are actually able to get the 2000 Chris Webbers of the world.

    That’s incorrect.

    Ewing was set to expire in 2001, as was Houston. LJ retired in 01. Childs, Ward, and Sprewell expired 2002.

    The Knicks in 2000 were on the verge of all the cap space in the world just like the Lakers now. Then they fucked it up, just like the Lakers will. The Young Buss has Young Dolan written all over him.

  41. Hubert

    Correction to my correction:

    Houston signed his extension in 01; his contract wasn’t set to expire til 03.

    Sprewell expired after 2000, not 2002.

    We were still in pretty good shape cap wise.

  42. BigBlueAL

    Hubert: That’s incorrect.

    Ewing was set to expire in 2001, as was Houston. LJ retired in 01. Childs, Ward, and Sprewell expired 2002.

    The Knicks in 2000 were on the verge of all the cap space in the world just like the Lakers now. Then they fucked it up, just like the Lakers will. The Young Buss has Young Dolan written all over him.

    Dunno where you are getting info from but Ward’s contract didnt expire until 2004 (signed 5yr deal prior to the 1999 season). Spree was given a 5yr contract extension during the 1999-00 season (expired in 2005). Actually he mightve even signed it right before that season even started.

    I agree 10000% they shouldve just let Ewing’s contract expire in 2001. Houston opted out that summer too. But they still wouldnt have had that much salary cap space (remember they still had guys like Camby and Kurt Thomas under contract as well), at least definitely not anywhere near what the Lakers will have next year. But they definitely wouldve been in much better shape than they wound up being in by trading Ewing and getting so many bad contracts back plus constantly using the mid-level exception on crap and of course giving Houston the contract they did.

  43. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, as Al notes, the Knicks were not in good cap shape when Ewing left even if they had just let his contract expire instead of capping themselves out by trading for more salary. And they certainly weren’t anywhere close to the situation that the Lakers will be in next season. Remember, the biggest problem that the Lakers have with regards to their cap is that Kobe is making $30 million. That’s half the cap right there! Kobe intends to re-sign for much, much less specifically so that they can build a good team around him in his twilight years. It just flat out isn’t a good comparison to the Knicks when Ewing left.

    A better comparison to the Knicks of that time would be when the Celtics re-signed KG recently. Going back “all in” with players who weren’t going to age well out of loyalty to their recent playoff success (except at least the Celtics squad had actually recently won a title rather than just made it to the NBA Finals). The Celtics, though, were smart enough to quickly reverse course after one season while the Knicks took eight seasons to begin to address their issues. Eight seasons!!!

    Imagine if the Knicks had just rebuilt after 2001? They would have been a bad team just in time for the 2003 Draft (where they assuredly would have ended up with Darko, but still!).

  44. Brian Cronin

    The Cap went up slightly, which is really good news, because the cap was kept temporarily artificially high at $58 million after the lockout. So the fact that the cap is now above $58 million on its own is very good news. Hopefully by 2015 the cap will be high enough that the Knicks will be able to get even more players.

  45. Unreason

    jon abbey: genius call by the powers that be to decide they couldn’t afford October hero Raul Ibanez at the lofty 1/2.75 deal he got from Seattle

    Right? It’s not like he showed up when it mattered or anything. Those at bats still boggle my mind. Not sure there’s ever been anything like it.

  46. Unreason

    According to Zwerling Birdman is re-signing with Heat tomorrow. Not loopy enough to look elsewhere apparently. Oh well.

  47. Unreason

    2013-14 salary cap: $58.679 m, 635 k more than last season
    2013-14 tax level: $71.748 m, up 1.441 m from last season

    Not sure those increases are enough to matter much. The new penalty rate this season of $1.50 for every $1 over the threshold rather than the $1 for every $1 over the threshold they had to pay last season, though not news, is sure to matter a great deal.

  48. massive

    All I need is for Andrew Bynum to take a 2 year deal. In 2015, he’ll be 27 and probably the best center in the league. That’s the time for him to cash in on a long term deal and sign with the Knicks. Hopefully the perennially middling Hawks give him two years instead of the Cavs. Irving, Bennett, and Bynum might be too good in two seasons for Bynum to pass up the extra year for another team.

  49. massive

    Again, Melo couldn’t choose a better time (for the Knicks) to skip town than 2014. He can quit, and we can tank because we actually have a draft pick in 2015. Again, Jabari Parker has said in an interview (this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glTdaZpAHMg) that the “one and done thing is not for him,” so it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s available in the 2015 NBA Draft. We suck for a year, add Jabari Parker or some other high pick in the draft, and go into free agency with Iman Shumpert, Jabari Parker, and a boatload of cap space in the largest media market to offer teams.

    Either way, I’m fine with the plan going into 2015. Either rebuild with Carmelo as the free agent attraction, or rebuild with New York City and two good young pieces as the main attraction. I could see the ability to play with each other as reason enough for Kevin Love and Rajon Rondo to come play together. But then again, it doesn’t look good for us if one superstar already left us because he didn’t believe in management.

    I still think it’s highly unlikely that Melo just quits in New York, but we’ll see.

  50. ess-dog

    Yeah, I’m not a Melo hater at all, but I think him leaving that year for nothing is better for the Knicks than giving him a max extension.

  51. Frank

    I’m not totally sold that Melo is saying any of this stuff to be honest. This is the dead part of the NBA news cycle and I can totally imagine people just making up stuff to get pageviews and listeners. Saying he’s “50/50″ to leave is, by definition, just straddling the fence. If he leaves, SAS was right. If he stays, SAS was right. It’s just dumb.

    That said — if it’s for real, then Melo better be ready for a firestorm of criticism from every corner — since one of the main reasons the Knicks have zero maneuverability is because he refused to wait until free agency to join the Knicks, and refused to give Denver an ultimatum that it was the Knicks or no one else. If he had just joined the Knicks in FA, we’d still have Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Mozgov, etc. On top of that, he signed as max a deal as he could — totally defensible — but didn’t do like LBJ/Bosh/Wade did in taking slightly less to give Miami just a little more flexibility.

    So anyway – I don’t really think Melo is leaving, and in fact I think there’s more like a 50/50 chance that he stays and takes less than the max to give flexibility (50% that he stays and takes less vs. 50% that he stays and takes the absolute max).

    In his post-NBA life, part of his appeal as an actor, broadcaster, or whatever will be how people feel about him when his career is over. As it is, a large part of the population has a negative or at least ambivalent feeling about him. If he comes in, empties the Knicks of all assets, leaves with no more than a 2nd round playoff run, then runs to the Lakers (who won’t win anything with just a 32 year old Melo as a centerpiece), it’ll be even worse. Can you think of a player who was an absolute mercenary making it big after his career?

  52. Brian Cronin

    I agree that it is still very unlikely, but before that SAS report I figured it was not even an issue at all. That SAS is saying it means something, I think. I think it means that CAA is at least floating the idea out there.

  53. Hubert

    The moves to trade Ewing for longer contracts, flip Childs for Jackson’s longer contract, extend Sprewell and Houston to ridiculous contracts all occurred after the point I mentioned. Maybe Spree’s happened a month before. They absolutely, positively could have maneuvered themselves into position to sign Chris Webber in 2001. Hardly the point, though.

    They were 1.5 years into a new CBA and were operating like they were still under the old one. They did not understand the nuances of the deal and the changing landscape of the league.

    Likewise, the Lakers are 1.5 years into a new CBA and acting like nothing’s changed and they can just amass cap space and get a new big three like the Heat did. LeBron isn’t just going to up and leave Miami and bring two of his buddies just cuz the Lakers are calling. It’s delusional arrogance on the organization’s part.

    What’s the appeal for Carmelo Anthony? What’s so great about teaming up with a 36 year old Kobe gunning for the all time scoring record on his turf after you’ve established yourself on yours?

    The Knicks were in a better position in 2000 than you realize, but that’s hardly the point. The bigger point is they were going from being well run to being poorly run in the middle of a changing NBA economy and they weren’t capable of adapting to it. I see the same thing happening with the Lakers. They’re not going to strike free agency gold in 2014. More likely they’ll end up overpaying for second tier guys like we had to with Amar’e.

  54. lavor postell

    Brian Cronin:
    I agree that it is still very unlikely, but before that SAS report I figured it was not even an issue at all. That SAS is saying it means something, I think. I think it means that CAA is at least floating the idea out there.

    As long as D’Antoni is coaching that team we have absolutely nothing to worry about. I don’t see the Lakers firing him unless they have a truly horrific season this year, which is possible. Also if Melo’s entire purpose was to go to a team for him to be the face of it and lead them to a championship, it’s certainly not going to happen in Laker Land if Kobe re-signs with them after his contract expires.

    He also could have pretty much forced a trade to L.A. in 2010-11 instead of New York which he didn’t do. I can’t imagine a scenario other than trade where Melo is not a Knick come 2015, for better or for worse.

  55. Hubert

    The ultimate point is: I don’t think having one player under contract in 2014 is as appealing as it was in 2010. So while the Lakers may have a lot of cap room, I don’t think they’re in a great position.

  56. yellowboy90

    SAS is also saying how Lebron would play with Melo in Ny.

    My question is what would be the max Melo could get on a 1 year deal if he opt out after 14? Could they work out a deal to pay him big one year and then he comes back to take a pay cut in 15. That way it minimizes the hit he would take financially. Then again their is still the risk of injury so I doubt that would happen.

    ALso, can or would the Knicks be bold enough to use the stretch prevision on Amar’e to create a little room then trade Chandler for a pick and a TPE to make room for a FA in the summer of 14?

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