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Friday, December 19, 2014

Knicks 2008-09 Schedule Released

Hey, at least it is some news!

Read on for the full schedule…

October

Wed 29 vs Miami 7:30pm
Fri 31 @ Philadelphia 7:00pm

November

Sun 02 vs Milwaukee 6:00pm
Wed 05 vs Charlotte 7:30pm
Fri 07 @ Washington 7:00pm
Sun 09 vs Utah 3:00pm
Tue 11 @ San Antonio 8:30pm
Wed 12 @ Memphis 8:00pm
Fri 14 vs Oklahoma City 7:30pm
Sun 16 vs Dallas 6:00pm
Tue 18 @ Boston 7:30pm
Fri 21 @ Milwaukee 8:30pm
Sat 22 vs Washington 7:30pm
Tue 25 vs Cleveland 7:30pm
Wed 26 @ Detroit 8:00pm
Sat 29 vs Golden State 7:30pm

December

Tue 02 vs Portland 7:30pm
Wed 03 @ Cleveland 7:00pm
Fri 05 @ Atlanta 7:30pm
Sun 07 vs Detroit 12:00pm
Tue 09 @ Chicago 8:30pm
Wed 10 @ New Jersey 7:30pm
Sat 13 @ Sacramento 10:00pm
Mon 15 @ Phoenix 9:00pm
Tue 16 @ LA Lakers 10:30pm
Fri 19 vs Milwaukee 7:30pm
Sun 21 @ Boston 6:00pm
Fri 26 vs Minnesota 7:30pm
Sun 28 vs Denver 1:00pm
Tue 30 @ Charlotte 7:00pm

January

Fri 02 vs Indiana 7:30pm
Sun 04 vs Boston 6:00pm
Tue 06 @ Oklahoma City 8:00pm
Thu 08 @ Dallas 8:30pm
Sat 10 @ Houston 8:30pm
Mon 12 @ New Orleans 8:00pm
Wed 14 vs Washington 7:30pm
Fri 16 @ Washington 7:00pm
Sat 17 vs Philadelphia 7:30pm
Mon 19 vs Chicago 1:00pm
Wed 21 vs Phoenix 7:30pm
Fri 23 vs Memphis 7:30pm
Sat 24 @ Philadelphia 7:00pm
Mon 26 vs Houston 7:30pm
Wed 28 vs Atlanta 7:30pm
Sat 31 @ Indiana 7:00pm

February

Mon 02 vs LA Lakers 7:30pm
Wed 04 vs Cleveland 7:30pm
Fri 06 vs Boston 7:30pm
Sun 08 @ Portland 6:00pm
Tue 10 @ Golden State 10:30pm
Wed 11 @ LA Clippers 10:30pm
Tue 17 vs San Antonio 7:30pm
Fri 20 vs Toronto 7:30pm
Sun 22 @ Toronto 12:00pm
Mon 23 vs Indiana 7:30pm
Wed 25 vs Orlando 7:30pm
Fri 27 vs Philadelphia 7:30pm
Sat 28 @ Miami 7:30pm

March

Wed 04 vs Atlanta 7:30pm
Sat 07 vs Charlotte 7:30pm
Sun 08 @ New Jersey 6:00pm
Tue 10 @ Milwaukee 8:00pm
Wed 11 @ Detroit 7:30pm
Fri 13 @ Minnesota 8:00pm
Sun 15 @ Cleveland 1:00pm
Wed 18 vs New Jersey 7:30pm
Fri 20 vs Sacramento 7:30pm
Sat 21 @ Orlando 7:00pm
Mon 23 vs Orlando 7:30pm
Wed 25 vs LA Clippers 7:30pm
Fri 27 vs New Orleans 7:30pm
Sat 28 @ Charlotte 7:00pm
Mon 30 @ Utah 9:00pm
Tue 31 @ Denver 9:00pm

April

Sat 04 vs Toronto 1:00pm
Sun 05 @ Toronto 6:00pm
Tue 07 @ Chicago 8:30pm
Wed 08 vs Detroit 7:30pm
Fri 10 @ Orlando 7:00pm
Sun 12 @ Miami 6:00pm
Wed 15 vs New Jersey 8:00pm

At a glance, the schedule looks like a good one for the Knicks (I mean, as good as any schedule can be for a bad team).

43 comments on “Knicks 2008-09 Schedule Released

  1. Thomas B.

    I went over the schedule and I just can’t find more than 21 games in which I am confident that we can win. I just don’t see how this team is better than last year’s team. There are sections of the schedule that made me think, “Damn, we could lose 8 in a row here.” We might start off taking 3 of 4 to start the season. But by the time we play Utah, this team will be ready to break. Spurs will beat us up and we will drop the back to back to Memphis. When have we won the second game of a back to back on the road? After the Oklahoma City Blanks, we dont have another chippie until the Nets (12 games). Oh God, I feel sick.

    Rick Rubio here we come.

  2. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger)

    I went over the schedule and I just can’t find more than 21 games in which I am confident that we can win. I just don’t see how this team is better than last year’s team. There are sections of the schedule that made me think, “Damn, we could lose 8 in a row here.” We might start off taking 3 of 4 to start the season. But by the time we play Utah, this team will be ready to break. Spurs will beat us up and we will drop the back to back to Memphis. When have we won the second game of a back to back on the road? After the Oklahoma City Blanks, we dont have another chippie until the Nets (12 games). Oh God, I feel sick.

    Rick Rubio here we come.

    You know I’ve been thinking of what to write about the schedule, and I haven’t been able to come up with anything. Until I read Thomas’ comment. I don’t care how many games the Knicks win this year. It’s a rebuilding year. I want to see how they develop their young players. I want to see if D’Antoni has the brains & marbles to bench the unproductive, no matter how much they make. I’ll be happy if the Knicks lose a shitload of games and get a great first round pick. I’ll be happy if the youngsters get burn, and the overpaid get dealt away or benched. That’s all I want. There’s no amount of games won that will make the season any more of a success or failure.

  3. RAy

    Hey, at least we’ll get a good draft pick. Maybe more if we can pull off a mid season deal for Zach or whoever.

  4. jon abbey

    There’s no amount of games won that will make the season any more of a success or failure.

    I’m pretty sure a 74-8 record would be a success. :)

  5. Captain Merlin

    The way I see it, I figure there are about 15-20 games which we should definitely win, leaving 62-67 less sure outcomes. If we manage to get very lucky oh only about half the time out there, then that’s 31-34 extra wins, thus bringing our total to 46-54 on the year–easily a top 5 seed. See, if we all pray to the lord of leprechaun luck just enough, maybe he’ll grant it half the time, and that’s where we’ll end up. This has to be Walsh’s grand plan.

  6. retropkid

    I don’t care how many they win either…BUT…it would be a bummer if they actually surprise us out of the gate, win a few we thought they wouldn’t, the schedule is over-loaded with home games in November/December, so there is a small chance of that….then come January with that long road trip, they could get hammered. So…I am going to try hard to stay even-keeled, never easy for me…

  7. Thomas B.

    Mike K.,

    You make a really good point. “21 wins” was me over simplifing my concerns with this team.

    I used the “21 wins” to illustrate my fear that the Knicks could take a step back from last year-in terms of development. I think a good rebuilding team should step forward-not that win totals are an indication of improvement.

    I can live with the Knicks dropping 58 games (been there) because this is a rebuilding year (all the more reason to have kept Balkman). However, even in a rebuilding year you want to see the young players develop and play well, if not win. I am worried about where this team will be if the young players do not show the potential to develop into strong contributors. I guess what I am trying to say is; What do you do with a rebuilding team that doesnt show the potential to turn into something? Let’s say Gallo is a bust, Chandler blows out his knee, Roberson becomes Damon Jones, Robinson and Lee sign elsewhere, ect.

    If that occurs, we dont have many options for retooling. We will not have a 2010 pick. We already traded one young asset for nothing. Worst of all, Collins COULD be extended.

    I also used a win total because I am not sure that the majority of the fan base will get behind a solid young team that only wins 20 something games. I don’t think the owner is smart enough to tell a 20 win team with great potential, from a 40 win team going nowhere.

  8. Alec

    Love the optimism on this site.
    What you aren’t considering is the teams we play that are on the second game of a back to back. We have a good chance to beat a better team on the second game.

    Also, this team may not be better than last years, but don’t under estimate how a change in coaching philosophy change better a team too.

    Moreover, not that anyone will agree with me, but Steph still is the best option at PG and can help. Our bench got a little deeper as well with Duhon and the Rooster.

    I am hoping for 35 wins

    I’m hoping for 35 wins.

  9. Thomas B.

    Justin,

    Knicks do own their 2009 draft pick until it falls out of the protection. If it falls out of the protection, the Jazz may claim the pick.

    The Knicks own their 2010 pick as well. The Jazz may only claim this pick if the Jazz do not claim the 2009 pick.

    To be clear, the Knicks do OWN these picks. These picks are restricted by, for lack of a better word, a lein on them held by Utah.

  10. Thomas B.

    “What you aren’t considering is the teams we play that are on the second game of a back to back. We have a good chance to beat a better team on the second game.”

    Not when we are the road team, traveling west, and have been an awful road record over the last 10 years.

  11. Jose B

    The schedule seems pretty normal, we might get a falsely optimistic start, but a brutal December with 10/15 on the road including a nice little Texas swing will surely leave the season requiring CPR. Hasn’t this been the case pretty much every year since 2003-2004 when we snuck into the playoffs?

    Either way, the important things that need to happen this year are: (1) Development of Gallo, Chandler (2) Increase Lee’s role, either to inflate his trade value or to commit to him as a key piece of our front-court for years to come (3) Relegate Curry, Q-Rich, Starbury, and the rest of our veritable Murderer’s Row of washed-up vets to the bench (4) Get ourselves some decent draft positioning, although we know ultimately how little it matters to have the worst record in the league

  12. Ted Nelson

    Alec,

    They won 33 games two seasons ago with a fairly similar roster… 35 games isn’t really an improvement, but I’m sure every paper will hail it as a great 12 game turn-around for Walshtoni.

  13. justin

    Justin,
    Knicks do own their 2009 draft pick until it falls out of the protection. If it falls out of the protection, the Jazz may claim the pick.
    The Knicks own their 2010 pick as well. The Jazz may only claim this pick if the Jazz do not claim the 2009 pick.
    To be clear, the Knicks do OWN these picks. These picks are restricted by, for lack of a better word, a lein on them held by Utah.

    so wait…at what point can the jazz claim our first round pick?

  14. Brian Cronin

    Utah could get it in 2009, but only if the Knicks have a great season (the pick is protected if it falls earlier than…around #20…maybe #20 on the dot).

    If Utah doesn’t get it in 2009, then they will get it in 2010.

  15. Z

    “At a glance, the schedule looks like a good one for the Knicks (I mean, as good as any schedule can be for a bad team).”

    Aren’t schedules fairly universal for everyone (I mean is any one team really benefitted by the scheduler?) Seems the Knicks play a home and home with every western team and play two home and homes with the other Atlantic teams. That leaves only the non-Atlantic eastern teams to be unbalanced. In the case of the Knicks this year they play an extra road game each against the Heat and Magic, but get to play an extra home game against the Wizards and the Hawks. Maybe in a hotly-contested race this discrepancy makes a difference, but good teams should be able to beat any team, anywhere.

    I guess the only way a schedule can benefit a certain team is if the back-to-backs come against severely inferior teams on the back end, or rebuilding teams are stacked up at the end of a season when they are in tank mode.

    Since the latter will be us, I suppose this schedule does benefit us: all the games in April (besides free-food night against the Nets) look to be against contenders!

  16. retropkid

    Back of the envelope….

    I could see them going 9 – 7 in Oct/Nov, visions of mediocrity dance in my head, this board starts showing hints of optimism, somebody dares mention “playoffs”….but then….Dec/Jan/Feb look to be very ugly, I peg them for 15 wins in three months….and maybe 10 more in March/Arpil…which stacks up to 34 wins…

    Can Favre rebound??? Maybe we pick him up from the Jets for 2010…except his outlet passes might get intercepted in crunch time, but then again, the Knicks probably don’t have to worry about crunch time any time soon…

  17. njhoops

    It is scary when you look at the schedule and realize how few (if any) games are “gimmes”. On the positive side, we’ve had some pretty brutal schedules to start the season in the past few years, so getting off to a good start, as misleading as it would be, would at least get the fans into it and maybe help build a little confidence among the players.

  18. retropkid

    njhoops, I agree with that…at this point, even false positives early on would be welcome…and I think fans would support the club throughout the year if the team shows effort, and growth….NY fans get a bad rap for not having patience for youngsters, I don’t buy it. I think we could all live watching (hoping, praying) our young kids start to gel, play with fire, play tough D, and compete hard, even if it doesn’t show up yet in Wins.

    At the end of the day, our club has had character and integrity issues for too long. If Walsh and D’Antoni restore those — I for one will be appreciative.

  19. Italian Stallion

    I expect the Knicks to be better this year because of the development of Chandler and the addition of Gallinari and Duhon. However, I think a very good case can be made that a lot of teams in the east improved by more or played so far beneath their expected level last year, the Knicks could wind up with a similar or even worse record. Teams like Chicago, Miami, Philadelphia, Toronto, Indiana and potentially several others could all be a lot better. It’s hard to find teams in the east that will be worse.

  20. DS

    Did Italy qualify for the Olympics? I don’t think I’ve heard that they did but it would be nice to get a look at Danilo.

  21. danvt

    “At the end of the day, our club has had character and integrity issues for too long. If Walsh and D’Antoni restore those — I for one will be appreciative.”

    I’m with that.

    I’d like to see this starting lineup:
    Lee, Gallinari, Chandler, Robinson, Duhon

    We know the upside of the other group. This team would at least give us some cause for optimism in that we haven’t watched the train wreck with our own eyes for three seasons in a row.

    I’m hoping that this year we, at least, answer some questions about what we really have and what we really need on this team. I mean, if this were poker we would be in a position of wanting to pick up three new cards. In other words, we’d have to just fold. However, in the NBA you can’t fold. This time next year I’d like to see us with some good combinations in hand and looking for specific cards.

  22. TDM

    Happy Birthday to the Rooster!

    “I’d like to see this starting lineup:
    Lee, Gallinari, Chandler, Robinson, Duhon”

    I would start Duhon, Craw, Chandler, Lee and Randolph. Then, mid-season, hopefully the Knicks could get some value for Randolph in a trade.

    The post-Randolph starting 5 I would like to see are basically the same, just with Curry starting. The other good thing about starting Randolph at center for the first half of the season is that it gives Curry the opportunity to get in shape for the second half, however unlikely that may be.

  23. DS

    “I’d like to see this starting lineup:
    Lee, Gallinari, Chandler, Robinson, Duhon”

    I am curious to see if D’Antoni can do something good with Isiah’s lineup; Steph (if for some reason he isn’t cut), Jamal, Q, Z-Bo, and Curry. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t bet on great results. BUT he is an offense first coach and if we can’t unload those guys before Nov. I’m sure he’ll at least give it a try before he resigns to giving the young guys the lion’s share of minutes.

  24. mindfeck

    I don’t think Gallinari should start. He needs to work on his defense and stay injury free.

    Curry, Lee, Chandler, Crawford, Duhon

  25. Z

    I’m circling the Feb. 20th Toronto game. That’s the first game I predict I’ll watch– the day after Zach Randolph is traded at the deadline.

    Hey, KB– no report cards for the Knicks this year from the Knickerblogger staff? (or are you giving everybody a collective “incomplete” due to the Isiah cloud that engulfed the team all season?) (Or a collective “F” for sucking so universally badly).

  26. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger)

    I’m circling the Feb. 20th Toronto game. That’s the first game I predict I’ll watch– the day after Zach Randolph is traded at the deadline.

    Hey, KB– no report cards for the Knicks this year from the Knickerblogger staff? (or are you giving everybody a collective “incomplete” due to the Isiah cloud that engulfed the team all season?) (Or a collective “F” for sucking so universally badly).

    Z – I started but after a couple of Fs, I stopped and thought about it. Did anyone really deserve better? It seemed pointless.

  27. Z

    “Did anyone really deserve better? It seemed pointless.”

    And depressing too.

    In the news: Josh Smith signs an offer sheet with Memphis. About $12 mil/year. Pretty surprising that they’re suddenly spenders. Maybe they know Atlanta matches and wants the PR of seeming like a competitor?

  28. Thomas B.

    Starting five

    Mardy Collins
    Q. Richardson
    Jared Jeffries
    Malik Rose
    Jerome James

    I call it Denny’s five star, no All-Star, starter special. Its three scrabbled goose eggs (MC,Q,Jared), a piece of stale toast (Rose), and a side of bacon (James). All for just 29.6 million dollars. What a bargin!

  29. TDM

    “Josh Smith signs an offer sheet with Memphis. About $12 mil/year. Pretty surprising that they’re suddenly spenders. Maybe they know Atlanta matches and wants the PR of seeming like a competitor?”

    I’m also suprised by this. This offer makes no sense for Memphis. They already have Rudy Gay, who is comparable to Josh Smith. http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=gayru01&y1=2008&p2=smithjo03&y2=2008.

    The Griz need a PF or C more than anything else. Actually, Zbo would fill a bigger need for the Griz than Smith.

  30. Alec

    I like him with Memphis. He is 6’9 and a good shot blocker. The core of Gay, Smith, Conley, and Mayo looks good on paper in the future. If they get a good defensive center, they could make the playoffs in a few years.

  31. Bob Cook

    HERESY:
    OK, two years ago, we were going along pretty good and than got flushed towards the end of the season due to injuries. But I thought, we all thought, “hey we’re improving, we’re developing young and interesting players. This is cool and worth watching.”

    Than last off season, we sign Zbo for little of value (Frye had hit a wall) and who is this guy? A near all star said the NY Times. A 10+20 power forward. I remember being a little disappointed that this would take away from Lee’s minutes but otherwise, it seemed like a great move. The only problem with Z was that he tended to party too much (said the papers).

    And what happens? He puts up numbers, doesn’t party, but the team falls deep into the toilet. So it was irresistable to figure that he was the cancer on the team. And yet IT kept sending him out there. And, boy, this guy has been the subject of unremitting dissing and sneering on this forum and everywhere else in Knickland. The issue seems to be that he doesn’t play defense and stalls the offense when he gets the ball. And creates a talent black hole such that Curry, who looked great two years ago, is sucked into the Zbo gravitational field of losing basketball.

    So here’s the heresy: Maybe it’s a bad rap. Maybe new coaching can use 10 bounds and 20 points so that it helps us win as opposed to having Balkman shoot airballs from the foul line. Maybe he’ll defend. Slow footed guys can, consider Oakley. He certainly won’t have the problem of high expectations for this season.

  32. danvt

    Bob Cook,
    Guys on this site will throw numbers at you ad infinitum but I’ll give you the summary.

    Zach and Jamal both get twenty points a game by taking way too many shots. They get points, but not efficiently, and thus the team loses. On defense they were two fifths of a unit that was close to the worst in the league. In terms of rebounding there is some thought that Zach’s lack of positioning on defense, that is, not being out on his man, gave him position for more defensive rebounds. As an offensive rebounder his numbers are not that good.

    Neither player creates much for anyone else, thus the ball stops moving and someone needs to chuck it. Then the long carom and the transition basket the other way…. We’ve seen too many thirty point quarters. Hopefully, D’Antoni can make a difference in the teams efficiency but are you really optimistic that these guys are going to beat Garnett or Brand or anyone else?

  33. Thomas B.

    Starting five
    Mardy CollinsQ. RichardsonJared JeffriesMalik RoseJerome James
    I call it Denny’s five star, no All-Star, starter special. Its three scrabbled goose eggs (MC,Q,Jared), a piece of stale toast (Rose), and a side of bacon (James). All for just 29.6 million dollars. What a bargin!

    My wit is wasted on you people.

  34. Gorky

    Guys, there’s no way to predict which games we will win. We don’t know which teams will be bad or good. Trades, injuries, random improvewment/steps back by teams. All of those are unpredictable.

  35. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook,Guys on this site will throw numbers at you ad infinitum but I’ll give you the summary.
    Zach and Jamal both get twenty points a game by taking way too many shots. They get points, but not efficiently, and thus the team loses. On defense they were two fifths of a unit that was close to the worst in the league. In terms of rebounding there is some thought that Zach’s lack of positioning on defense, that is, not being out on his man, gave him position for more defensive rebounds. As an offensive rebounder his numbers are not that good.
    Neither player creates much for anyone else, thus the ball stops moving and someone needs to chuck it. Then the long carom and the transition basket the other way…. We’ve seen too many thirty point quarters. Hopefully, D’Antoni can make a difference in the teams efficiency but are you really optimistic that these guys are going to beat Garnett or Brand or anyone else?

    Dan:
    You have perfectly and knowledgably described what was going on last year. I’m just hoping or dreaming that it could be changed with regard to Zach. The point that Zach got a lot of cheap rebounds while leaving his man is an interesting and subtle one. Barkly used to be that way and having watched a bunch of games, I think you’re right. But suppose the coach tells him to cut it out. Z does not get a lot of offensive bounds. Well, he’s out there firing away from 20 ft. You can say he had a somewhat low shooting percentage but with the teammates he had out there, someone has to take a shot. Ewing also didn’t O-board much because he also loved the J and he was a center. On defense, Ewing liked blocked shots and that’s great but it was why he never got many D-boards compared to say, an Unseld. He was jumping away from the basket trying for the block.

    It just seems to me that the guy has a bunch of skills and yet we view him as not just a bad player but as someone who absolutely wrecks the team. Maaaaaaybe a new coach can alter this.

  36. Italian Stallion

    Bob Cook,

    I agreee with you on Randolph.

    The ultimate question is whether a new coach can get through to guys like Randolph and Crawford and create a way of using them more efficiently even though previous coaches have failed.

    The first step is getting playmakers and better outside shooters so the alternatives to their bad shot selection is actually the superior option. We are moving in that direction.

    Personally, I would be shocked of Crawford and Randolph don’t increase their FG% this year based on what has already been done.

  37. Ray

    Nice game by Team usa vs. China. LeBron was impressive and so was Bosh. Anyone know when they are going to play Span? That game is gonna be a HUMDINGER!!

  38. Dan Panorama

    That China game was great but the US team does worry me a bit. If their 3 pt shooting is consistently as terrible as the China game they could get knocked out by a team with a hot hand and some decent defense. They’re passing looked great, but too often the players just couldn’t follow through on their jumpers. They won the game almost entirely on fast breaks and Lebron’s ridiculous blocks (that 2-handed one where he grabbed it out of the air was INSANE).

  39. Renaldo Balkman's Agent

    “So here’s the heresy: Maybe it’s a bad rap. Maybe new coaching can use 10 bounds and 20 points so that it helps us win as opposed to having Balkman shoot airballs from the foul line. Maybe he’ll defend. Slow footed guys can, consider Oakley. He certainly won’t have the problem of high expectations for this season.”

    If Mike D’Antoni can turn Zach Randolph into Charles Oakley he’d be worth Eddy Curry’s weight in gold.

  40. danvt

    “The point that Zach got a lot of cheap rebounds while leaving his man is an interesting and subtle one.”

    Mike K had a great post on this recently.

    “It just seems to me that the guy has a bunch of skills and yet we view him as not just a bad player but as someone who absolutely wrecks the team. Maaaaaaybe a new coach can alter this.”

    Hubie Brown had success with not a lot of talent outside of Bernard King. He did it by slowing the game way down. Seems as if D’Antoni is going to try to do the opposite. That could be a recipe for disaster. We take more shots and give our opponents more possessions per game. If we don’t shoot a better percentage we could be even worse than last year.

    I mean, it’s almost funny. If it was the Celtics it would be really funny. It’s like curing a hangover with a shot of tequila.

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