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Friday, April 18, 2014

Knicks 2007 Summer Roster

Random Summer League Thoughts:

* 6 Europeans! Well not really. Most are American born that are playing overseas. The exceptions are 30 year old center Bougaieff who is French Canadian and guard Ali Berdiel from the Puerto Rican National team. Even the most mundane player has an impressive youtube mix, but is this the best they can come up with for Bougaieff? Meanwhile Berdiel seems to have lost his starting job at Valpariso to Jarryd Loyd 2 games before the season ended. Berdiel’s biggest weakness is his propensity to turn the ball over.

* Olu Famutimi is the only NBDL guy. He’s a shooting guard with no three point range. According to a few reports, Famutimi is a physcially gifted athlete, and the numbers seem to bear it out. He rebounds well, can pick a few pockets, and averages about a 1 block every 40 minutes. It’ll be interesting to see what he’s like on the court.

* Does anyone think Nate Robinson has something to do with the inclusion of former Husky teammate Tre Simmons?

* If the starting 5 is based on who is under contract/draft position then it should be Collins, Nate, Balkman, Chandler, and Morris with Nichols as the 6th man. However the roster is thin on big men. There are 7 guards on the team, and that doesn’t include Nichols and Greene who are listed as G-F. Which means that the lineup might be Collins, Nate, Nichols, Balkman, and Morris with Chandler coming off the bench. It’s not a bad idea, since the Knicks are more likely to need Nichols this year than Chandler given their need for outside shooting and their depth at the forward spot.

* The Knicks have 6 guys on their summer roster that will make their NBA team next year. Although they had 5 last year, Frye exited early with an injury. Additionally Collins, Nate, and Balkman all have had substantial NBA time under their collective belts. So we should expect to see some wins this summer.

* Things I’ll be looking for:
1. Chandler – how does he fit in? When he & Balkman are on the court at the same time, who will take the bigger player? (Both players are listed as 6-8.) How is his jumper?

2. Nichols – Is he athletic enough to play at the next level? Can he score on his own? Is he a liability on defense?

3. Morris – Has he bulked up? Is he a turnover machine? Can he still block shots and rebound at this level? What methods does he use to score?

4. Collins – Can he shoot? From 3?

5. Balkman – Can he shoot? Any post up moves?

6. Robinson – Can he act his age?

No Player Pos Ht Wt Born College 2006-07 Team Yrs
32 Renaldo Balkman F 6’8 208 Jul. 14, 1984 South Carolina New York (NBA) 1
38 Ali Berdiel G 6’6 200 Dec. 27, 1983 Valparaiso Hainaut (Belgium) R
45 Alex Bougaieff C 6’11 235 Apr. 15, 1977 Rice SPO Rouen (France) R
25 Mardy Collins G 6’6 220 Aug. 4, 1984 Temple New York (NBA) 1
21 Wilson Chandler F 6’8 230 10-May-87 DePaul DePaul (NCAA) R
9 Brian Greene G/F 6’7 225 Aug. 30, 1981 Colorado State Villeurbanne (France) R
30 Olu Famutimi G 6’4 207 Feb. 21, 1984 Arkansas Arkansas (NBADL) R
5 Randolph Morris C/F 6’11 260 Jan. 2, 1986 Kentucky New York (NBA) 1
35 Demetris Nichols G/F 6’8 216 Sep. 4, 1984 Syracuse DePaul (NCAA) R
44 Dylan Page F 6’9 240 Mar. 28, 1982 Wisconsin-Milwaukee Drac Inca (Spain) R
4 Nate Robinson G 5’9 180 31-May-84 Washington New York (NBA) 2
17 Tre Simmons G 6’5 200 Jul. 24, 1982 Washington Gran Canaria (ULEB) R
6 Kelvin Torbert G 6’4 210 5-May-83 Michigan State Euphony (Belgium) R
8 Roderick Wilmont G 6’4 203 Jul. 28, 1983 Indiana Indiana (NCAA) R

40 comments on “Knicks 2007 Summer Roster

  1. The Brooklyn Boy

    I’m quite intrigued to see what the kids do with their summer league PT. Randolph Morris really intrigues me – I hope he develops enough to steal all of Jerome James’ minutes (and not donuts).

  2. qpjs222

    Will Frederick Weis finally be participating in this year’s summer league? I heard he has unlimited upside.

  3. Frank O.

    Just a note on what I think will make or break the season for the Knicks, and was hugely important last year.
    I hope the team drills the hell out of these kids on the line.
    I would venture to say the Knicks gave up at least 15 wins last season because of poor free throw shooting.
    If we’re going to the blocks, if we want to pound the paint, we need to finish from the line.
    You can look at our D, our turnovers, whatever…if we made our free throws at a decent rate, we would have been a playoff team.
    And that means this off season they need to have been working that part of their game.

  4. Michael Zannettis

    You’re saying that if the Knicks led the league in free-throw shooting then they’d be in the playoffs. Well, hypothetically speaking, if they matched Phoenix’s rate of 81%, that would have added an extra 10% to their FT%.

    Considering that the Knicks took 30 FTs/game, that would have been an increase in 3pts/game. So wait, you’re right. They’d have averaged 100.5/ppg, and given up 100.3/ppg. On average, that’s a .500 record.

    So all we really need to do this summer is teach Eddy Curry how to be Steve Nash.

  5. dave crockett

    On the Chandler/Balkman thing. As I recall, Chandler measures 6’7ish. Balkman on the other hand is actually 6’4. He has some ridiculous reach, but he’s clearly a SG/SF, whereas Chandler played like a SF/PF at DePaul. I’d expect him to take the bigger player when they’re on the floor together but who knows. Maybe the Knicks will want to see if he can guard wings.

  6. Z

    “I would venture to say the Knicks gave up at least 15 wins last season because of poor free throw shooting.” -Frank O.

    “You?re saying that if the Knicks led the league in free-throw shooting then they?d be in the playoffs.” -Michael Zannettis

    He’s saying more than that. 15 more wins would make the record 48-34, winning the Atlantic and netting homecourt in the first round.

    I’m not sure FT% would give 15 more wins myself, but for all the times I groaned watching the Knicks play D, I groaned more watching freethrows bounce out. Only Eddy Curry’s turnovers and offensive fouls made me groan more.

    Seriously, get the guys in the gym and mandate 1000 freethrows a day (Lee can do it from 18 feet! Everyone should do it from 15).

    Back in 1999, the Knicks had great FT shooters on the team. I think they led the league. But they never got to the damn line (last in the league.) Now they can get to the line a lot, only to look like idiots when they’re there.

    Lee improved a lot. Balkman I think will improve too. Curry, well, supposedly was a decent freethrow shooter at one time. And Jeffries, well…

  7. Caleb

    I think we need to limit expectations on free throws – you can’t just say that if we practiced a lot we’d be as good as Phoenix.

    Assuming we shot the same number, if we somehow bumped our percentage to the league average, it work out to approximately one extra point per game.

    I’ve seen several fairly accurate formulas for translating point differential into expected wins (doesn’t Dean Oliver have one?), but they all require a calculator that lets you punch in numbers up the 15h power or so…

    …but in lieu of doing the actual calculation, I’d guess that improving our point differential by a point would probably mean an extra 3 or 4 wins.

  8. Ken "The Animal" Bannister

    Actually Dave,

    Balkman measured 6’5.25″ w/o shoes and 6’6.5″ w/shoes (not 6’4″). His wingspan was a fairly impressive 7’1″

  9. Z

    Yeah– the Artest talk is pretty hot. If you go to a Kings forum, they are all ga-ga over the proposal of Dickau, Jones, and Lee for Artest.

    And if not that trade, then anything involving Lee.

    Problem with rumors swirling is that Sac fans will now be pissed if they get anything less than Lee (like say, Malik Rose and Randolph Morris instead).

  10. Dan Panorama

    My guess is Lee’s trade value is only going to be higher next year if he truly has a jumper in the works. If Z-Bo is working out by then we might be able to trade Lee for a star at the positions we need or for our PG of the future (Steph will have one year at that point). I guess I just don’t want to see us jump the gun, but if Isiah didn’t blink on the Randolph deal and give up anything too precious I don’t see why he would with Artest who is a far riskier player. It’s not like we don’t have plenty of non-Lee prospects to offer.

  11. Frank O.

    Last year the Knicks lost 14 games by five points or less, eight of those were lost by two points or less.
    If you look at the losses, at least seven of them could have been different, I think, if the Knicks had just shot marginally better from the line those night.
    But a seven game improvement would have put them at 40-42. Not as big a deal as I thought, but not insignificant.

    Here are the games…sorry to run you down memory lane…

    11/18
    Boston
    122-118
    42-50, 82 percent

    12/2
    Toronto
    103-100
    16-20, 80 percent

    1/17
    Washington
    99-98
    11-16, 68.8 percent

    1/19
    NJ
    101-100
    30-41, 73.2 percent

    1/24
    Phoenix
    112-107
    21-25, 84 percent

    1/28
    Bucks
    107-105
    14-24, 58.3 percent

    2/10
    Utah
    104-102
    22-27, 81.5 percent

    3/6
    Seattle
    100-99
    24-38, 63.2 percent

    3/16
    New Orleans
    92-90
    15-15, 100 percent

    3/26
    Orlando
    94-89
    23-37, 62.2 percent

    3/30
    Dallas
    105-103
    26-37, 70.3 percent

    4/4
    Phillie
    92-90
    19-24, 79.2 percent

    4/6
    Minn.
    99-94
    21-28, 75 percent

    4/15
    Toronto
    107-105
    26-31, 83.9 percent

  12. caleb

    It’s a total fantasy, stoked by Artest’s agent, to think that anyone is going to trade David Lee for his client. It’s a fantasy to think that Sacramento will get more than an expiring contract, or a Wilson Chandler-level draft pick.

    Frank – I feel your pain, but our won-lost record was just about what you would expect given our point differential. Every team loses close games – we also won some, and got blown out a lot.

    Close games are mainly a matter of luck – for example, Dallas was no better than San Antonio during the regular season – in fact their point differential was more than a point worse – but by random chance they won a large proportion of their close games. That gave them a misleadingly great record. (I mean, they were very good – as in 60-win good – but not great, 67-win great.

    When the playoffs rolled around, order was restored.

  13. Frank O.

    Caleb:
    You are right of course. I wrote something from the gut earlier today. A few folks made some good points and I felt I should at least go and look at the stats.
    You also nailed Dallas.

  14. Caleb

    I was just checking out Portland’s summer league roster – don’t get jealous, but it’s sinking in that they actually have four pretty good young point guard prospects: Jarrett Jack, Sergio Rodriguez, Koppenen (their 1st round pick this year) and Taurean Grean. That’s not counting the roookie of the year, who supposedly can play the point, too.
    On the other hand, Portland doesn’t really have a small forward… I would love to see us try and swing a deal for Rodriguez – he’s still a teenager and is already a decent player; I predict he’ll be a star plus he’s a lot of fun to watch.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=my-bmN_M3gI

    I’m sure the Blazers put a high value on him – but given their depth at PG, and the fact they can’t sign Rodriguez, Roy, ALdrige AND Oden to big extensions… I’d guess he’s available, for a price. Like Balkman. Or someone willing to pay Darius Miles. Or Joel Przybilla.
    Jack would be a good fit for us, too, more immediate help though without the star potential.

  15. DMull

    ^I’d love to get Sergio…don’t really like teh idea of giving up Balkman but I guess with Chandler in the mix it’s worth a thought.

  16. KnickerBlogger

    Owen, DMull, and everyone else worried that the Knicks might trade Lee: go check out today’s Daily News. There’s an article there titled “Isiah: I won’t deal Lee”. You may find it interesting.

  17. Ben

    That’s great news about Lee, I want Miami to get Artest soon so I can stop worrying about it.

    Also Portland will probably drop one of those four prospects. My guess would be Taurean because he is the only one without a guaranteed contract.

    Since Isiah seemed to like Taurean before the draft he seems like a solid pickup if we move Dickau to be our third string PG.

    I live in Portland and as far as I can tell thet are very high on Sergio, I do not think they will move him unless other teams overpay to trade for him.

  18. Z

    Just a clerical question– since Frye is gone is he going to be graded, or can we skip ahead to James and Jeffries (in the mood to vent on mid-level exception signings…)

  19. jon abbey

    Marco Belinelli scored 37 points in his summer league debut for GS, one short of the league record, set by Kobe his rookie year. is it possible GS might be even more entertaining this year?

  20. danmajerle19

    Jon, I said right here that Belinelli was a pretty good player with a future Ginobili-like career to my opinion.
    I think that many temas will regret to let him picked up at 18 at the draft.

  21. Ted Nelson

    Marco is definitely an exciting player who’s capable of putting up points in bunches. Unfortunately he has yet to do it consistently, and when you look at his Euroleague averages compared to other NBA hopefuls like Juan Carlos Navarro or Rudy Fernandez you get an idea of why teams let him slide to #18. Taking into consideration that he has less quickness and plays on a worse team than either Spanish guard, it seems likely that his 37 points was an abberation. We’ll have to see.

    MB RF JCN
    Games 13 19 22
    MPG 27:43 25:44 28:34
    FG% 37.8% 47.8% 49.6%
    3pt% 32% 42.9% 40.8%
    PPG 12.8 15.8 16.8
    APG 1.9 1.7 3

  22. Lefty

    Off topic question; is there anyway to rate/measure the medical staff of teams? We still don’t know what happened to Lee and the way Jared Jefferies was treated… I just think the knick’s medical staff hasn’t proved themselves at all. Any thoughts?

  23. TDM

    Speaking of the Knicks’ medical staff, they just announced today that Mardy Collins had his knee scoped 6 weeks ago. Apparently, he won’t be playing in the summer league. Lee just started 5 on 5 full contact drills yesterday, so hopefully he’ll be 100% by the start of the season.

    On another note, Keith Butler (7-1, C) from DePaul has been added to the summer league roster.

  24. Tyrone Brewer

    ESPN’s site is plugging the Lee for Artest rumor. Anyone have Isiah’s address in case he pulls the trigger on this?

  25. Brian Cronin

    Man, I am really getting kinda pissed at ESPN for this Artest-for-Lee thing.

    While I’m at it, how about Isola mentioning that the Kings would “insist on” getting Lee back for Artest?

    I’m sure the Kings would ASK for Lee, and they probably don’t want anyone else on the Knicks, but to act like Artest is such a valuable property that you would “insist” on getting someone like David Lee is a total joke.

    Of course, Isiah could trade Lee for Artest tomorrow, and I’d feel awfully foolish. ;)

  26. bmj320

    Isiah seemed pretty adamant about not trading Lee for Artest which should be commended. But what’s the deal with him saying he will not give up Balkman either? Let’s be serious, Balkman is a dime a dozen player a Gen-X, all athletisism and no defined skills. Artest, yes he has major baggage is one of the most skilled players at that position in the league. Isiah, stop with the redundancy. Jeffries, Balkman, Chandler and Nichols. Move one or both of those guys in a package for Artest.

  27. Sunil

    SOMEONE HELP ME !

    Im from NY and i want to watch the nyk summer league games. What channel should i be watching and at what time ? and where would i find a schedule ?

  28. retropkid

    Any thoughts about over-all improvement of East this year…Charlotte gets Richardson; Boston gets the shooter they (and we) needed desperately; Orlando…A lot of talent moved West to East.

    The Knicks may be better than last year, but have others improved more? …Charlotte and Orlando seem much improved, while Boston may still be missing some pieces. Nets if healthy likely to win at least half their games…

    Maybe Heat falls way down? Washington too?

    Thoughts?

  29. Ben

    bmj320 – Balkman is better than you give him credit for. He had I think the fourth highest PER (behind Roy, Millsap and Aldridge) of any rookie last year which is impressive considering he is not an offfensive player and PER is primarily an offensive stat.

    On top of that he looks like he is going to be a great defender and the Knicks were 9.2 pts per 100 poss. better on defense with Balkman which is really an amazing number, plus he seems to have pretty solid fundamentals, handling the ball, passing and playing defense. His only weakness is his outside shot which should get better.

    I really hope he starts for us this year.

    Retropkid – I do not think that adding Richardson is going to help Charlotte that much, especially if they lose Wallace. I still do not project them as a playoff team. Also Boston while better with Allen should not be that much better because they lost West and have no one to man the point. You cannot win in the nba without solid pg play. Plus both he and Pierce seem a little fragile of late.

    Orlando got better but I feel healthy we were better than them last year and Randolph is a better player than Lewis in my opinion, so we should improve more.

  30. Ben

    What happend to Charlotte they were very tight with their money for so long and now trade a top ten pick for an overpaid SG and then grossly overpay for an injury-prone SF all just one year away from having to give their PF a near max extension.

    Both Richardson and Wallace are good but neither are worth 10 million a year.

  31. Brian Cronin

    The situation in Charlotte is pretty typical.

    A team with a lot of cap room holds on to it for awhile, and don’t get better, so they’re forced, for PR-sake, to spend it all no matter if the “right” player is available or not.

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