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Wednesday, October 22, 2014

Knicks 129, Nuggets 125

This recap was written by Knick fan Jason Landy.

Today the Knicks beat the Denver Nuggets in a home matinee contest, which saw Amare Stoudemire break a Knick record for most 30 point games in a row with eight. More importantly the Knicks added to their win total and are riding a streak of eight straight wins. Over the weekend I had the opportunity to see the Knicks play for the first time this season, and I was very impressed with their energy on the court and court awareness of the team.

I like the pieces that GM Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni have put together to make a competitor in the Eastern Conference. This team can score. They have a true leader in Amare Stoudemire. Wilson Chandler is improving his game. Danilo Gallinari, is a complementary player on the wing. I love the point guard play of Raymond Felton, and I have been a fan of his since his days at UNC. And Landry Fields could creep up into that rookie of the year conversation if he keeps playing as well as he has been playing as of late.

I like the young pieces this team has in place and the direction this franchise is headed in, I have been a Knicks fan my whole life, and its a breath of fresh air to see this team playing competitive basketball once again.


From ESPN’s Stats and Information:

Entering the game, there had been little difference in Stoudemire’s impact when he had been on the floor. Stats and Information’s Mike Lynch checked the numbers and saw the Knicks entered the day outscoring opponents by 1.9 points per 48 minutes with Stoudemire on the floor and outscoring them by 1.8 points per 48 with Stoudemire off the floor.

But this marked the second straight game in which Stoudemire’s impact was MVP-like. In a six-point win in Washington on Friday, the Knicks were plus-13 with Stoudemire on the floor and minus-7 with him out. That’s two straight difference-making performances heading into games this week against the Boston Celtics and Miami Heat. The Knicks head into the week with their first eight-game win streak since the 1994-95 season.

Perhaps Stoudemire’s greatest impact is on point guard Raymond Felton, who had 19 points and 17 assists in the win Sunday.

With Stoudemire on the floor, Felton is shooting 48 percent from the field and 41 percent from 3-point range. With Stoudemire out of the game, Felton is shooting just 41 percent from the field and 24 percent on 3-point attempts. Sunday was a rare good day for Felton with Stoudemire out, as he went 3-for-4 from the field when the Knicks big man was in foul trouble.

29 comments on “Knicks 129, Nuggets 125

  1. jhed

    Hey All,

    What an exciting game..balanced team basketball is a pleasure to watch – Although Carmelo is a talented player – the team is humming right now – why disrupt a good thing? I would absolutely not give up Fields – you cannot teach the intangibles he brings to the table.

    Additionally, If New York is Carmelo’s destination of choice – why wouldn’t the Knicks wait for the season to end and attempt to sign him to a contract under the max. If Carmelo is serious about winning maybe he would be willing to except less for the betterment of the team and ultimately himself??

    Mike do you think Carmelo would sign for less then a max offer or would he rather go across the river for the money?

  2. Brian Cronin

    Additionally, If New York is Carmelo’s destination of choice – why wouldn’t the Knicks wait for the season to end and attempt to sign him to a contract under the max. If Carmelo is serious about winning maybe he would be willing to except less for the betterment of the team and ultimately himself??

    While they are his destination of choice, he’d like to play for them and make a lot of money doing so.

    Not to mention that he knows that there is a good chance contracts like he can sign now won’t be available next season, so it behooves him to sign a deal this season.

  3. Brian Cronin

    From Chris Sheridan:

    To those asking why make any offer when NY can get Melo as free agent, I reply: If u can get him thru 2015, u do it. Lockout exits as factor

    Ugh.

    Especially when Sheridan is suggesting that the Knicks trade Gallo, Fields, AR and Curry for Melo. Such a bad idea.

  4. jhed

    Agreed – Also I know this is speculative but Carmelo does not seem like a leader on and off the court- I sense an arrogance about him and a comfort level with his game.

    The Knicks have blue collar hard working players that are busting their ass out there for the team. Carmelo is a “me first” player and there is no room for this kinda attitude in an exciting Knicks locker room -

  5. hoolahoop

    This was the best knick performance I’ve seen in about ten years.
    I wonder if Amare knew he was this good.
    If the season ended today he’s on the short list for MVP.
    WC had a career game. He’s integral to this team.
    Felton – I love when he gets more assists than points…or almost. That’s a winning formula.
    Feilds – The knicks would be crazy to trade him. He has the highest basketball IQ on the knicks. . . .getting better and better.

    Can’t wait till Wednesday.

  6. latke

    To all the people talking about money, here’s the thing: Let’s say we make no moves at all. This summer, we have what? about $18 million in cap space in the best case scenario. Let’s say we make a nice playoff run and actually beat the Bulls in the first round, then take boston to six games.

    Now we’ve outperformed everyone’s expectations, so we have to resign chandler, and let’s say he takes less money to stay in NY – $7 million, and we sign Marc Gasol for $11 million/year.

    Now after 11/12, Gallo, Fields and Felton all expire (along with Turiaf, Rautins, Randolph and Walker). Counting Chandler and Gasol’s contracts, we will have about $20 million in cap space. If we’ve been successful, and Gallo and Fields have matured, the two of them along with Felton will easily eat up the entirety of that cap space — do we keep all of them or do let two of the three go so we have the cap space to sign chris paul or Deron Williams? I know giving up Fields/Gallo and Felton for D Will is nice, but it’s way different from suggesting we’d be able to just pluck one of them up for free.

    Because of the soft cap, this season is the optimal time to get over the cap; it will actually allow us to spend more money. I’d love for there to be another star caliber player available, but right now there isn’t. Think of it this way: Carmelo costs about $18 million, but he frees up about $14 million in cap space — $8 million for chandler and $6 million via the MLE. He’s virtually free!

    Brian Cronin: Nuggets would never in a million years trade Carmelo Anthony for a draft pick

    You’re overlooking the inevitable eddy curry renaissance. All guys who Isiah brought in get better after leaving NY. Good point though.

  7. Brian Cronin

    The Knicks have blue collar hard working players that are busting their ass out there for the team. Carmelo is a “me first” player and there is no room for this kinda attitude in an exciting Knicks locker room -

    I don’t want the Knicks to trade for Melo, but I don’t think we need to take shots at his attitude or his intangibles or whatever. He seems like a nice enough guy to me.

  8. Brian Cronin

    Wouldn’t it be just the Knicks’ luck for a guy like Chandler to get a hot market for him, while Big Baby Davis was ignored just little over a year ago, allowing Boston to re-sign him on the cheap (then again, Davis’ contract runs up this year, I believe, so he’ll soon be a lot more expensive).

  9. Unreason

    The ugly Cs are so ridiculously good right now that there is no way to describe how happy it will make me if we take one from them on Wed. The only way to come close to saying it is that stopping their win streak and extending ours will make me almost as happy as beating the increasingly smug Heat like a rented freakin’ mule on Fri. Here’s hoping.

  10. Spree8nyk8

    Well if we do beat Boston on wed. we’ll be .500 for the season against .500+ teams. Only boston is over .500 in that department in the east.

  11. JK47

    If the Knicks can flip Randolph for a first round pick, then the offer to Denver should be Wilson Chandler, Eddy Curry’s carcass, the first round pick, and that’s it. If they pass, they can go pound sand and we’ll sign Melo when he’s a free agent. Landry Fields is too good to give up– He had 18 points on 11 shots, 9 rebounds, 2 steals, a block and only one turnover today. That kind of production on a rookie second-round pick contract is just insane.

    I’m a ‘Cuse homer and I like Melo, and I think he’s being bashed a little unfairly around here. BUT YOU CAN’T TRADE LANDRY FIELDS. I almost can’t wrap my head around how awesome the guy is.

  12. Brian Cronin

    Here’s what really pisses me off about this Melo stuff. Okay, so back in late October, Sheridan writes about how the Knicks have softened from their stance on not including Gallo in a trade for Melo along with Curry and AR (the AR part wasn’t even clear – it could have been either or, but it probably was both).

    Fair enough, whatever.

    But how can Sheridan write at the time that the Knicks were softening their “no Gallo” offers then, when they were losing like crazy and Gallo was playing mediocre, and then say today that he thinks the Knicks could get Melo for Gallo, Fields, Curry and AR (or more specifically, the pick they trade for him)??!?! So according to Sheridan, although the Knicks are playing much better (as is Gallo) and the Nuggets’ leverage is greatly diminished, he now thinks the Knicks will make a better offer for Melo?!?!?

    And that is accepted as logical by the MSM!

    That’s what pisses me off.

  13. Peter87

    Add me to the list of people who don’t want to trade any of the starting 5 for Melo. This team has chemistry, which is so hard to find. Are there any advanced statistics which even attempt to measure the synergistic effects of 2 or more players together? I don’t believe I’ve seen any. They are all just concerned with measuring individual performance. I think it’s obvious that, even if you had the perfect single stat for measuring individual performance, choosing the 5 players who maximize this stat wouldn’t necessarily be a good team (you could end up with 5 centers, or 5 pgs, for example).

    Am I getting overenthusiastic, or has WC been playing at a Scottie Pippen level lately?
    I think Gallo’s D is underrated.
    Fields is an Einstein of bball.
    And Amare and Ray, what else can be said?

    Keep them all, please!!!

  14. Peter87

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot…why does Landry have a reputation for being ‘unathletic’? Not dark enough? I think he’s extremely athletic; he’s able to drive effectively while staying under control, and in his putback the other night his whole head was above the rim!

  15. Brian Cronin

    Well, 82games has a list of the best five-man units for each team.

    The Knicks’ best five man unit is, shockingly, Felton/Fields/Gallo/Chandler/Stoudemire (it’s awesome when the stats back up your naked eye).

    Their second best five man unit is Turiaf in place of Fields (that unit has an eFG of nearly 60%!!).

  16. Nick C.

    F’ me. 200 posts on the game thread about Melo and now in a separate thread. Really, this team is finally doing well for the first time in about ten years and this Isiah mentality is what we get. This is a good team, not perfect, that could develop with a 5, a back up point and one more back up big man. Enjoy it.

  17. Peter87

    @16

    I’m not sure if that was an answer to my request for a “synergy” stat. I don’t think it fills the bill, at least for what I requested: some stats that can PREDICT synergy between people who have never played together. This is only a stat which tries to measure synergy between combinations which have logged some minutes together.

    In addition, the best five-man units stat has gross shortcomings. The main one is that there are so many combinations of 5 from 15 (over 3000) that very few of the combinations have enough minutes to be statistically significant. Also, they would have to play “randomly” against the other teams combinations to have a meaningful average (what I’m trying to say is that if, for example, our first team logs most of its minutes against the other teams’ first stringers, this skews the measurements a great deal).

  18. misterma

    More than any talk about Carmelo’s attitude, which I can’t really speak to, I don’t want him because of his numbers. He’s a very, very, high volume shooter.

    Compare him to Gallo’s numbers this season, whose minutes he’d probably take. Melo’s usage rate (31.1) is much higher than Gallo’s (18.6), while his True Shooting Percentage (.543) is lower (.585). We already have a pretty high-volume guy in Amare Stoudemire, and I don’t see why we’d take any shots away from him ever.

    Some of you guys knock Gallo’s rebounding, but Carmelo’s rebound percentage is less than 2 percentage points higher.

    And let’s not forget that Gallo’s 22.

    I dunno folks, I’m not crazy about this Melo guy, especially for the price he’s asking.

  19. JK47

    misterma: More than any talk about Carmelo’s attitude, which I can’t really speak to, I don’t want him because of his numbers. He’s a very, very, high volume shooter.Compare him to Gallo’s numbers this season, whose minutes he’d probably take. Melo’s usage rate (31.1) is much higher than Gallo’s (18.6), while his True Shooting Percentage (.543) is lower (.585). We already have a pretty high-volume guy in Amare Stoudemire, and I don’t see why we’d take any shots away from him ever.Some of you guys knock Gallo’s rebounding, but Carmelo’s rebound percentage is less than 2 percentage points higher.And let’s not forget that Gallo’s 22.I dunno folks, I’m not crazy about this Melo guy, especially for the price he’s asking.  

    Actually, Melo has been rebounding at almost double the rate of Gallo this year:

    Total Rebound Pct:
    Melo 13.5
    Gallo 7.9

    Total Rebounds per game
    Melo 8.2
    Gallo 4.6

    Total Rebounds per 36 minutes
    Melo 8.5
    Gallo 4.9

    Gallo is really getting it going from outside the arc and contributing high-efficiency offense to the team on the whole, but he’s not much of a box score-stuffer. He’s kind of like a 6’10”, low usage Allan Houston.

  20. Nick C.

    JK47: Melo’s rebounding has really spiked this season. He is even out-boarding the Nuggs’ center, Nene.  (Quote)

    He had a 22 rebound game which puts him at 172R in 21 g 8.2 w/o 150 for 20 g 7.5. Considering he has been in double figures only 5 other times this looks like a fluke that is still skewing his stats up.

  21. JK47

    Nick C.:
    He had a 22 rebound game which puts him at 172R in 21 g 8.2 w/o 150 for 20 g 7.5. Considering he has been in double figures only 5 other times this looks like a fluke that is still skewing his stats up.  

    He also had a game where he only played 2:48 and grabbed only 3 rebounds, so that’s skewing his rebounding/game stats down. Let’s be fair here.

  22. Nick C.

    JK47: He also had a game where he only played 2:48 and grabbed only 3 rebounds, so that’s skewing his rebounding/game stats down. Let’s be fair here.  (Quote)

    Sorry spaced on that completely. So its a wash. If I knew/remebered I wouldn’t have posted what I did.

  23. hoolahoop

    Dear Carmelo:
    Three weeks ago I was ten games into my new season and I still sucked . . . coming off of ten years of sucking. I was in a lot of pain and desperate for a remedy. You were that remedy. But you were not there when I needed you.

    Well, now I’m feeling stronger than I have in a long, long time. I no longer think you’re the right guy for me. Things have changed. It’s not you. It’s me. You’re a good player and I’m sure you’ll do well. No hard feelings. Good luck.
    Knicks

  24. hoolahoop

    ps – If you know any really tall, strong, fast guys that don’t always have to be the center of attention, please let me know.

  25. chrisk06811

    My take on the trade:

    First, Randolph to Hou for the 1st round pick…Hou has to give us someone back. Who might that be?

    Second…..I don’t care about the pick, I don’t care about Randolph. I care about losing 2 of Gallo/Chandler/Fields, but will willingly give up one.

    Here’s my idea: How bout Eddy, the 1st rounder, Chandler and Gallo for Melo and Ty Lawson?

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