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Saturday, September 20, 2014

Knicks 120, Grizzlies 99

The first quarter ended with the Knicks and Grizzlies tied at 29. From that point forward New York outscored their opponent 91 to 70 to coast to victory. The Knick offense was on fire as the team hit 20 three pointers (a franchise record), and Toney Douglas made 9 threes (tied the franchise record). Carmelo Anthony added 28 points on just 19 shots as well.

18 comments on “Knicks 120, Grizzlies 99

  1. tenebrous

    Observations:
    1) I haven idea how Anthony got 28 or seems to get 29 every game and seems to be invisible. Guess he’s that good.
    2) Amare was very calm and subdueded. Great to to see him look forward as opposed to argue on every ref error. He played better defense. Danced more on offense and basically trusted his teammates to make their shots. If there is a blue jersey open and a hand in your face he passed the ball. – his D was great without too much arguing.
    3) Billups is a monster. He seemed, still, a little bothered by his situation but took big shots made them and played well. The team seems cohesive with him on the court.
    4) Douglass was incredible. He is a scorer and I guess Anthony, Amare and Billups are encouraging him to, well, score.
    5) They are talking more and are trusting eachother more.
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    fill in the blanks…

  2. jon abbey

    Billups still isn’t anywhere close to a hundred percent, hopefully he’ll only get better from here.

  3. jon abbey

    we’ve now been in 6th place since December 2 according to the game recap, which is 3 1/2 months, 48 games ago. it’s funny to me to contrast that with the hot to cold to hot to cold demeanor of the fan base.

  4. BigBlueAL

    Knicks with their 2nd 20+ point win since the trade (also have a 19 point win) which matches the amount of 20+ point wins before the trade. Meaningless stat I just figured Id throw out there for no apparent reason lol.

  5. Mowgli

    I am of course happy that we won, but never completly when we win
    with 20 3s, if we have a bad shooting night like often happens
    and we hit 10 3s instead of 20 we loose this game.

    We still rely too much on the long shot imo

  6. Nick C.

    Nice win. Congrats to TD for DWTDD and then some. Billups slowly coming back. I was goign to comment about the closing out since Breen mentioned it and it was picked up here, but that was mostly on Arthur who, despite how it looked, was only 5-11. FWIW Amare, who is Amare after all, seems to get a fair number of open jumpers from the FT line extended area and circle. Perhaps its more part of the game than peopel want to concede.

  7. BigBlueAL

    D’Antoni was asked after the game if he was disappointed with their defense of the high pick n roll because Arthur got so many wide-open jumpers. He seemed surprised by the question and responded by saying that Arthur only shot 5 for 11 for the game. He mentioned that when they defend the pick n roll by zoning it they do so because they would rather give up open 15 foot jumpers than open 3pters, layups, ft’s or points in the paint because statistically those are the shots that beat you.

    I also read some quotes before the game when asked about Melo saying they were using too many different schemes on defense that if he was referring to Hansbrough and the pick n pop that they defended it differently in the 2nd game and he only scored 6 points off of it with a couple of turnovers compared to 8 points off of it in the 1st game. He has also mentioned in the past that the corner 3pter has the highest eFG% in basketball and is the most efficient shot you can take, something Shawne Williams has mentioned in interviews that his coaches have preached to him to take corner 3pters because it is the best shot to take and he obviously shoots them very well.

    I only bring this up because even though it looks like the front office may not use much advanced stats when making personnel moves it sure looks like D’Antoni uses them as part of his coaching strategy. I believe the Wall Street Journal had an article about this too in terms of how many different type of stats the coaching staff uses to evaluate stuff. Ive been just as frustrated with D’Antoni’s defense as everyone else but one thing I will say he does seem like a pretty damn smart coach and I love listening to his interviews and reading his quotes.

  8. d-mar

    Love him or hate him, Jeffries really was a difference maker last night. He’s really active defensively and disrupts the opponent’s offensive sets. (BTW I’m still waiting to see another Knick other than him draw a charge.)

    Obviously if we had more “2 way” players (and really, how many of them are there?) Jeffries would be expendable, but if he can actually convert a layup here and there, he can be a pretty valuable “glue guy” for our defense.

  9. cgreene

    BBA, 2 nice posts. FWIW, Hollinger would think that the blowout wins are very important bc they increase differential. I didn’t take the time to look at our differential post-trade but it is seemingly higher and that is a predictor of success as we all know.

    I also agree that MDA uses advanced stats more than he is credited for on the blog both on offense and defense. The one area where it seems (and there is no proof here bc we are not in practice) is that he is bad at teaching rotations particularly off double teams. Also his being more satisfied with a 15 ft jumper than a 3, a layup or a foul is one thing, but being satisfied with that shot being as open as the Knicks frequently allow it to be i.e. no real close out makes it a much easier shot. Most NBA players can hit that shot wide open at 50% or better IMO.

  10. Caleb

    I think all or most number-crunchers would say that blowout wins are an important indicator – or, more indirectly, that point differential is the key indicator of how strong a team is.

    Have to say – since I wrote around the time of the trade that Toney Douglas was playing himself out of the rotation, he’s been on a tear. Shooting 37.5 percent from 3s for the season. Last year he was over 40 but at this point you have to say – he’s established himself as a pretty good shooter. And defender.

    More credit where credit is due; we give Carmelo crap for being a terrible 3-point shooter but he is almost at 36 percent for the season. (and 42 percent with the Knicks!)

    Even Roger mason is hitting almost 35 percent now. Balkman, of course, is leading the team at 50 percent.

    Shooting 3s is a high-risk high-reward strategy, but that doesn’t make it a bad one – especially when you have a lot of good shooters, like the Knicks do. High-risk high-reward teams are also more likely to pull upsets. (Of course, they’re also more likely to get blown away)
    Hey,

  11. gbaked

    Caleb:
    Shooting 3s is a high-risk high-reward strategy, but that doesn’t make it a bad one – especially when you have a lot of good shooters, like the Knicks do. High-risk high-reward teams are also more likely to pull upsets. (Of course, they’re also more likely to get blown away)
    Hey,  

    I agree. it lowers the risk when you fill the team with guys that can excel at the 3 point shot. and It aslo lowers the risk if you have an offensive plan that gives those guys open and lower risk 3′s (the corner 3).

  12. Eazy B

    tenebrous: Observations:1) I haven idea how Anthony got 28 or seems to get 29 every game and seems to be invisible. Guess he’s that good.2) Amare was very calm and subdueded. Great to to see him look forward as opposed to argue on every ref error. He played better defense. Danced more on offense and basically trusted his teammates to make their shots. If there is a blue jersey open and a hand in your face he passed the ball. – his D was great without too much arguing.3) Billups is a monster. He seemed, still, a little bothered by his situation but took big shots made them and played well. The team seems cohesive with him on the court.4) Douglass was incredible. He is a scorer and I guess Anthony, Amare and Billups are encouraging him to, well, score.5) They are talking more and are trusting eachother more.6)7)8)fill in the blanks…  (Quote)

    6) Toney Douglas 3!
    7) Toney Douglas 3!
    8) Toney Douglas 3!
    9) Toney Douglas 3!

  13. Frank

    I know we hit 21462345 3′s last night which obviously was the key to the win, but I think we were much more focused last night than in any game since the Miami game, and just played a very clean game.

    - only 10 turnovers committed. Memphis had only 6 steals (they average 10) and they force 17 TOs per game.
    - ZERO charges on Amare and Carmelo – and really not even anything that was close to being a charge
    - 8:1 TO-assist ratio for Billups after having only 9 assists coupled with 7 TOs the last 2 games. And the one TO was a charge on a good play by Sam Young — ballhandling was much cleaner.

    And re: the 3 point shooting — we were 20 of 36 — but just to be clear, even if we shot just our average percentage (37.2%), we would have hit somewhere between 13 and 14 for the game – and still won.

    The back-to-back losses to IND hopefully were a blessing in disguise. Nothing like losing twice to an obviously inferior team to jolt us back to reality. The Dallas loss was easily forgotten – 4th game in 5 nights, Dallas is really good, etc. But no way should a team with this much talent be losing home-and-homes to IND.

  14. Frank O.

    Knicks played a smart game last night. The intermittenly threw doubles at Zach, either forcing him into a bad shot (it is Zach, after all) or dumping out of the post. They also did a good job keeping him off the boards.
    Gasol also was a non-factor.
    Remember, teams with big men and post players usually pound the Knicks, but they dd a good job taking those guys away.
    That appears to be a result of smart defense.

    Melo played and efficient game. A very smooth 29 points on 19 shots.
    It looked as if the Griz tried to take away Amare, packing in and crowding him. With jumpers falling that tactic doesn’t really work. Further, while Amare’s scoring numbers were down, he played a very balanced game: 16 points (6-12), 9 boards, and 3 assists.

    Now, can they bring the same intensity to a game with the Pistons? Or will they mail it in against another weak team and possibly lose again?

  15. Frank O.

    Frank O.: Knicks played a smart game last night. The intermittenly threw doubles at Zach, either forcing him into a bad shot (it is Zach, after all) or dumping out of the post. They also did a good job keeping him off the boards.Gasol also was a non-factor.Remember, teams with big men and post players usually pound the Knicks, but they dd a good job taking those guys away.That appears to be a result of smart defense.Melo played and efficient game. A very smooth 29 points on 19 shots.It looked as if the Griz tried to take away Amare, packing in and crowding him. With jumpers falling that tactic doesn’t really work. Further, while Amare’s scoring numbers were down, he played a very balanced game: 16 points (6-12), 9 boards, and 3 assists.Now, can they bring the same intensity to a game with the Pistons? Or will they mail it in against another weak team and possibly lose again?  (Quote)

    I think I ran my limit on typos. Apologies.

  16. tenebrous

    Frank: I know we hit 21462345 3?s last night which obviously was the key to the win, but I think we were much more focused last night than in any game since the Miami game, and just played a very clean game.- only 10 turnovers committed. Memphis had only 6 steals (they average 10) and they force 17 TOs per game.
    - ZERO charges on Amare and Carmelo – and really not even anything that was close to being a charge
    - 8:1 TO-assist ratio for Billups after having only 9 assists coupled with 7 TOs the last 2 games.And the one TO was a charge on a good play by Sam Young — ballhandling was much cleaner.And re: the 3 point shooting — we were 20 of 36 — but just to be clear, even if we shot just our average percentage (37.2%), we would have hit somewhere between 13 and 14 for the game – and still won.The back-to-back losses to IND hopefully were a blessing in disguise. Nothing like losing twice to an obviously inferior team to jolt us back to reality.The Dallas loss was easily forgotten – 4th game in 5 nights, Dallas is really good, etc. But no way should a team with this much talent be losing home-and-homes to IND.  

    Fully agree. Problem remains for the Knicks and I guess all other teams:
    1) How do you stop Nowitzki from taking those high arching fade away shots?
    2) How do you defend Howard and Nelson in the pick and roll?
    3) How do you defend Garnett, Pierce and Allen?
    4) How do you stop Bynum, Gasoll and still defend the perimeter?

    Can Walsh not find a big man to sign before the playoffs? Plenty of guys on courts all over the US, Europe and the rest of the continents. There has to be a 7 foot wrestler somewhere. If not, the above stands. So 100% effort and 100% focus (as stated above) can equal 200% strategy while 300% defense is needed.

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