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Thursday, October 30, 2014

Knicks 107, Hornets 88

Before Tuesday night’s 116-110 loss to the Magic, many of us were looking forward to Wednesday’s date with Chris Paul and the Hornets as a meaty matchup between Knick Point Guards present and – some would hope – future.  But with Chauncey Billups out of action with a bruised left quad, all eyes instead were on Toney Douglas. And what spicy buffalo eyes they were.

TD was hotter than the fire he’d been thrown into, hitting his first 4 shots – including a pair of 3s – generally making good decisions, and keeping CP3 largely in check in helping guide the NYK to a 107-88 win.

Douglas made the most of his second start of the season, tallying 24 points (including 4 from distance) on a truly filthy 94% eFG%, to go along with 4 rebounds and 5 assists. Meanwhile, CP3’s recent shooting woes – which included a 3-10 outing against the lowly Raptors the night before – continued in the Garden, as Paul finished with just 4 points on 2-7 shooting (although he did tally 10 assists).

For what seemed like the first time all year, the Knicks played another team on a back-to-back that looked more gassed than they were. With TD setting the tone, the Knicks netted a combined eFG% of 61% (including a refreshing 13/20 from downtown), as all five starters dished at least 4 assists. The Knicks took advantage of the Hornets’ palpable fatigue, attacking their front line inside early and restraining themselves to just 7 three point attempts in the first half, all the while moving the ball around with a crispness seldom seen in recent games.

And when New Orleans started collapsing in the second half, Shawne Williams made them pay, connecting on all four of his 3PT attempts in the final two frames. Extra E ended the night with a downright centennial 100% eFG% (6/8 with 4 threes). Perspective: he had been 4 for his last 23 from beyond the arc.

If tonight’s game was a bracing shot in the arm for Douglas and Extra E, it was at least a gentle waking nudge for Carmelo Anthony. In his second home game in the Garden, Melo had a slightly-better-than-typical-so-far outing, finishing with 22 on 18 shots with 4 rebounds, 4 assists, a Carmelo-y 53% TS%, and a healthy +16. Meanwhile the other arm of the law, Amar’e Stoudemire, finished with a sporadically dominating 24 on 19 shots for a wholesome and Amar’e-e 58% TS%.

Contributing to their outwardly pedestrian efficiency, both Stat and Melo struggled somewhat from the charity stripe, going a combined 10 for 16. Still, neither of the two forced the issue, and Melo in particular largely refrained from his beloved outside jumpers until late, choosing instead to attack the basket early.

Meanwhile, the recently slump-plagued Fields still managed to find ways to contribute, scoring 10 points with 3 rebounds, 4 assists, and one sigh-inducing second half triple that helped spark a Knicks run. Anthony Carter logged 18 feisty, heavy minutes spelling TD,  nabbing 7 rebounds and displaying his pesky brand of D. (Carter also scored 2 points, which means I lost my bet that Chris Paul’s knee brace would tally more blocks than Carter did points.)

Without their recently conscripted general, the Bocker’s proved they could handle a half-course slugfest against a solid – though clearly tired – defensive team. And while the Knicks actually had more turnovers (16 to the Hornets’ 14), New Orleans never found themselves in a fluid enough rhythm – or shooting well enough (just a 49% eFG%, including 3 of 14 from deep) – to capitalize.

But even better than how the unexpected starting 5 played, was the 5 on the court at closing time. Yes folks, Air Mason, She-Will, Jeffrightened (so stunning was his entry, apparently, that ESPN didn’t even have him in the box score until the 4th quarter), TDDWTDD and… NewlyAcquiredFromCharlotteSixEightSwingmanDerrickBrown… all got to bring us to the final horn. Mason in particular was heavily deluged in chant from an otherwise subdued crowd (The FreeMasons?  You can thank Robert for that one). The vibes worked, as Roger hit two long range jumpers to net perhaps his most rewarding 5 points in years.

And so it was that a night which many worried would turn into a Garden audition for Chris Paul morphed, instead, into a confidence-building 48 minutes for a number of Knicks. But with Billups questionable for Friday’s revenge-fest with Cleveland, Douglas in particular should be looking to turn tonight’s poised play into actual momentum for the home stretch. And maybe – if we’re really lucky – the future.

56 comments on “Knicks 107, Hornets 88

  1. massive

    It was great to see the Knicks dominate another playoff team without their most efficient player since the trade. Toney Douglas really stepped it up tonight.

    Could Chris Paul’s recent dip in production be due to him knowing that the Hornets cannot legitimately contend this season? I think he’s just mailing it in early in an otherwise pointless season, especially with that knee problem in mind. Earlier this season, he was having an MVP worthy year. Now he’s playing rather pedestrian ball for his standards. I really hope he’s not being bothered by injury. He’s really too good for his career to be derailed by injury.

  2. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Chris Paul has had a monster season. Anyone can go 1-18. Anyone can have a low scoring game. Even LeBron isn’t perfect every night. He’s still having a fantastic year, much better than last year’s.

  3. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    If the T’wolves start Randolph and Love, you could be looking at the best rebounding frontcourt in the league for the next five years.

  4. massive

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: If the T’wolves start Randolph and Love, you could be looking at the best rebounding frontcourt in the league for the next five years.  

    Especially with all the shots Minnesota misses.

  5. BigBlueAL

    Just read an article with Walsh talking about possibly extending Billups beyond next season, talking about how he should be able to age gracefully like Kidd.

    I know we all are thinking about DWil or CP3 in 2012 but would keeping Billups and upgrading at other positions really be a bad thing??

  6. Nick C.

    See how Billups looks over the next year and a half, but it certainly seems liek a good idea. Besides Paul bears watching, and if they ever actually break ground in Brooklyn, D-Will may decide to stay in the 4th largest city in America. TD set the tone pretty early and like Jim pointed out E (finally) knocked ‘em down late. Really after the first quarter it seemed like this was a foregone conclusion. BTW how did Jefferies, who seemed to get a lot of praise here and in the media, wind up with the only negative +/- on the team?

  7. TDM

    Great game – great writeup. Nice to see the bottom of the depth chart get some burn as well. 2-1 in the past 3 games against playoff teams. Lots to look forward to.

    In other news, Eddy Curry is bought out and potentially signing with the Heat, Brewer is signing with the Mavs, and AR is putting up 19/10 in 25 min of play. Something about that hurts.

  8. Frank O.

    A short note about a dominant performance:
    In years past, great players would come to the Garden and put on a dominant show against our beloved sad sacks.
    But I think the days of someone putting up 50 points, or triple doubles, generally, are over. Amare and Carmelo and Billups have a swagger, and you have to believe this rubs off on guys.

    For days folks have complained about the number of shots Carmelo was taking v. Amare and I have been saying as the team grows more familiar those numbers would even out. I think last night was a nice step in that direction. Amare actually took one more shot, and the attack as a whole was more balanced. The team appeared to build off defense.
    I think Jeffries fit right in. He was energetic and really filled the lanes. His boards also were solid. I like what he brings to a team with plenty of scoring.
    Indeed, the Knicks have some genuinely good defenders now, with Jeffries, Carter and TD.
    We will lack a legit big this season, which probably will keep the Knicks from advancing far in the playoffs.

    One other thing. The knicks are in better shape than most teams they play. I think they have played every game hard. And often when other teams flag, the Knicks surge.
    A lot to be pleased about.

    For those who say D’Antoni is stubborn and doesn’t adapt his schemes to his players, witness these Knicks. They are using far more isolations, indeed, even clearing out an entire side. The ball still moves, but clearly D’antoni is tinkering. And the team is playing defense. They are challenging shots, and this is a team that is unfamiliar right now, meaning the defense gets better the more players know each other.
    You will see, after what Jameer did to Billups (although people forget Billups outscored Jameer), more of Chauncey guarding 2s, he’s strong enough, and letting Fields or Douglas or Carter guard the PG.
    All of this would seem out of character for D’Antoni. He’s adapted. Folks need to recognize that.

  9. Frank

    Eddy Curry signing with Miami can only be a good thing for us and the rest of the league. I think his suckiness brings the whole team down.

    I was very encouraged by the game we played last night. All 5 starters with 4+ assists, 5 guys in double figures, outrebounded the Hornets on both the O- and D-glass. Maybe most importantly, Extra E found his shooting touch again — if he can maintain a 45% 3 point% he will be absolutely huge for us at the stretch 4.

    Meanwhile – Anthony Carter?!?!?!? He is playing great. Frank O. is right on – when we throw a backcourt of Carter/TD out there against the other team’s 2nd unit, that is an evil ballhawking combo. I thought JJ played great last night also.

    I’m getting pretty excited – I feel like maybe we have pushed ourselves into maybe not the Miami/BOS/Chicago class but solidly into that next tier. And that’s just after 1 week.

    And depending on how Chauncey looks after next year – I’d be happy to pay him a reasonable, low salary and pick up a a real defensive center. Camby will be about 50 then, but at the right price he could be a good fit.

  10. slovene knick

    Thanks to the KB team….KB: the place where disappointments are rare.
    But have a remark…I’ve read(contributed nothing of significance) here for since DW took over and general attitude on here towards Knicks is -IMO- diametrical opposite to what it was one/two/three years ago.They played like shit but we all(KB-and me too) loved them….now they look like they can play close to contention and we kind of I don’t know…where’s all that love gone?
    BTW:Where can I get these new(old look) jerseys?Link please! For the first time since Ewing era the Knicks are dressed appropriately for their winning style.
    It was not Dolan, it was knick’s costume designer all along.(and the “paint” painter…)

  11. dsulz

    I was pleased with Jeffries last night. And surprised that I was. The guy really hustles at both ends of the court. Obviously you don’t want to pass him the ball too much, but I think he’s gonna help us a lot on the boards. Could mean another three or four wins down the stretch that we might not have had.

  12. chrisk06811

    A couple of points:

    -I don’t want to make too much of it, but I hope Billups’ presence will be a great influence / mentor for Toney. Toney is erratic, but nobody can say he doesn’t play hard. I’m sure Felton was great for him, but Lawson blossomed playing w/ billups, hopefully Toney will develop in the same way.
    -it’s amazing how much I appreciate Jeffries now that he’s not making a shitload of $$. Makes me think it wasn’t Jeffries I didnt’ like, it was the guy who paid him.
    -Eddy Curry in Miami? Wish I owned a business in that area that put liquid cheese on everything.
    -Watching Melo over the first few games sure verifies the old saying that defense is like 90% effort. At the moment, he gives a shit.
    -Breen made a big deal last night about keeping Mason instead of the guys we cut due to his professionalism and leadership. I always wondered how much this was worth. On one hand, I’d rather have a guy with a jump shot. On the other, we haven’t heard about a truck party this year, or a guy getting his ass kicked over a card game on the plane.
    -I’d have been much more popular in high school if I had Ronny Turiaf hanging out with me.

  13. Doug

    “-it’s amazing how much I appreciate Jeffries now that he’s not making a shitload of $$. Makes me think it wasn’t Jeffries I didnt’ like, it was the guy who paid him.”

    I know I resented him mostly for his contract. Now that he’s being paid a lot closer to his actual value I’m cool with Jeffries.

    “I always wondered how much this was worth. On one hand, I’d rather have a guy with a jump shot. On the other, we haven’t heard about a truck party this year, or a guy getting his ass kicked over a card game on the plane.”

    Roger Mason, team chaperone.

  14. Garson

    It seems we are getting our “home court advantage” back… We won 7 of the last 9 games. Of the 7 , 6 of the games were won in convincing fashion with the 7th being the Heat game.

    Cant underestimate the importance of this come playoff time.

  15. NateRobinson

    Sweet line by AR (19-10 25 minutes), and Timo as well. He had like 4 boards and 6 points in 10 minutes.

    I’m sure I’m not alone in this but there has been a deal of improvement when it comes to defense.

    We will slightly confirm our rebounding status against Cleveland. They outrebounded us by more than one Love (rebounding currency equal to 15).

  16. Garson

    I was at the game last night… and the following was bothering me all night:

    Why was Dantoni NOT using Randolph like he used jeffries last night? Jeffries showed the ability to rebound, pressure the ball, man the middle of the court , challange shots? and on offense it seemed like instead of hovering around the 3 point line like AR did, positioned himself more in the paint. Not to mention, AR has jeffries abilities time ten!

  17. NateRobinson

    @22

    I kept saying the same thing to myself. It goes beyond puzzling how you cannot see his skills. Now he took his talents to Minnesota and hes doing fine.

  18. cgreene

    Garson: I was at the game last night… and the following was bothering me all night:Why was Dantoni NOT using Randolph like he used jeffries last night? Jeffries showed the ability to rebound, pressure the ball, man the middle of the court , challange shots? and on offense it seemed like instead of hovering around the 3 point line like AR did, positioned himself more in the paint. Not to mention, AR has jeffries abilities time ten!  

    AR does not have nearly the bball IQ on defense that Jeffries has in terms of knowing players tendencies, knowing rotations and talking. Let’s kill 1 myth. AR was/is a BAD man defender. His skill on defense was providing weak side help on drives and getting passing lanes. For a playoff push I’d much rather have JJ off the bench on D.

    Nice line from AR last night though.

  19. NateRobinson

    Before I even mention the guy again I will follow Caleb’s advice and walk away…

    I thought Brown was a tweener but yesterday he looked like a pure 3. He’s not as big as Chandler, doesn’t seem to have the body to handle 4s.

  20. JK47

    @25

    Exactly. Randolph has the ability to go up and get rebounds and block shots, which does have value. What he has always lacked is the discipline/smarts to rotate properly, deny entry passes, take charges, close out on jump shooters, etc. These are the sort of things that advanced statistics do not capture.

    It was a nice line for AR last night but the Pistons are playing like absolute dogs right now. They didn’t play a lick of defense against the Wolves– Jonny Flynn hadn’t had double digits in assists all season but racked up 14 last night. Luke Ridnour had 15 points on 5 FGA. Detroit’s a bad team to begin with and in the wake of the Rip Hamilton incident they’re a complete mess.

    D’Antoni is not an idiot; the guy does know a thing or two about basketball. As a long-term piece of course Randolph has potential and I wish we would have kept him, but I can see why AR didn’t get minutes and Jeffries will. Randolph was not going to be the defensive glue guy that does all the dirty work and plays strong on-ball defense. He’s in a much better situation in Minny– he can get minutes, stuff the stat sheet and not worry too much about missing defensive assignments or making other miscues.

  21. Ben R

    I personally think that Derrick Brown’s new nickname should offically be: NewlyAcquiredFromCharlotteSixEightSwingmanDerrickBrown.

    Good to see the Knicks play hard on the defensive end. When Douglas and Carter were out there it really seemed to set a tone defensively.

  22. Count de Pennies

    @27

    Well said.

    Speaking as one who was as tantalized by Randolph’s long term promise as anyone I, too, hated to see him go. But once the decision was made to build the team around Melo/Amar’e (and a 3rd star to be named later??) Randolph became expendable as he no longer fit the team’s timetable.

    However you may feel about the “new-look Knicks” it is inarguable that their window as contenders is sooner rather than later. AR, OTOH, looked to be a good 3-4 years away from adding the basketball skills and body mass to finally become the all star player that advanced stats suggest he might someday be. At this point, with this personnel, the team no longer has the luxury of giving precious minutes to developmental projects for on-the-job training. The team is much better served awarding those minutes to journeymen, albeit with much lower ceilings, who already understand their roles as complementary pieces to the Knick stars/scorers.

  23. gabriel

    is this a knick blog? why are we talking about Anthony Randolph? we just crushed a western playoff team, and we are still negative. The mindset here is perplexing, instead of giving credit to d’antoni for altering his ssol style(thanks frank o), we are critizing him about a player who is not on our team. Having man-crushes on players that that is on another team is one thing, but constantly talking about that player on a Knicks blog is kinda lame. By the way awesome game by the knicks.

  24. kburt8

    Can anyone fill me in as to why AR (the one still on our roster) has been inactive the last few games?

  25. latke

    Beyond what others have pointed out about why AR didn’t play, I think, for obvious reasons, MDA is much more open to playing defensive players now than before. That doesn’t mean I think it was wise of MDA to not play AR…

    kburt, we have douglas, carter, mason jr. Even without Billups, Rautins is the 4th pg option and will never get burn. I do wonder though why, since that’s the case, we didn’t waive him instead of Brewer or Azubuike. Perhaps they think he’ll develop into something although at 24 already that seems unlikely.

  26. jon abbey

    kburt8: Can anyone fill me in as to why AR (the one still on our roster) has been inactive the last few games?  

    because he’s not a NBA quality player?

    as for Chris Paul, he’s been pretty consistently awful for a month-plus now. something is definitely wrong there, it’s not a normal slump, physically, mentally, or both.

  27. NateRobinson

    Because we have Roger Mason. Similar players, one is a professional vet and the other is a rookie.

    I can see why MDA loves Jeffries. He allows him to switch nearly every PnR which is the foundation of his defense. It really screwed the Hornets game last night. Apparently the switching ‘speeds’ up their offense by making them go to the mismatched player and they end up playing iso ball.

    I mean every time the opposing coaches are interviewed in the nationally televised games and the Knicks are playing good D they say that ‘they are getting us to speed up our game’ and so forth…

  28. dsulz

    latke: , I think, for obvious reasons, MDA is much more open to playing defensive players now than before.

    I’ve definitely noticed, with glee, the renewed concentration on defense, post-Melo/Billups acquisitions. I was really happy hearing D’Antoni’s interview on the Michael Kay show, yesterday, because he seemed to really embrace winning by Malcolm X style (by any means necessary). What I don’t understand NEARLY as well, is why D’Antoni waited this long to emphasize this. What was it about the previous Knicks team that prevented us from having the defensive intensity that we have now? I’m not asking this to gripe, I think there’s actually a good reason, I just can’t put my finger on it.

  29. dubisaweapon

    gabriel: is this a knick blog?why are we talking about Anthony Randolph?we just crushed a western playoff team, and we are still negative.The mindset here is perplexing,instead of giving credit to d’antoni for altering his ssol style(thanks frank o), we are critizing him about a player who is not on our team.Having man-crushes on players that that is on another team is one thing, but constantly talking about that player on a Knicks blog is kinda lame.By the way awesome game by the knicks.  

    This is almost exactly what I’ve been thinking the last few days. The “new” Knicks just manhandled the Hornets last night, but there’s a very real reluctance to embrace that. The overwhelming tendency on KB right now is to knock the “new” Knicks (with Melo leading the way) and to praise the “old” Knicks.

    The man-crush on AR is especially puzzling to me. He posted eFG% of .322 as a Knick, rocked a sour-puss demeanor, and as Clyde might say “stumbled and bumbled” every time he was on the court. Why people criticize D’Antoni for keeping him on the bench is beyond me. I’m glad the kid is gone, and what he does for the cellar-dwelling T’Wolves is of no interest to me.

  30. kburt8

    @35 Makes sense. Forgot that Eddy Curry’s departure freed up a suit on the end of the bench.

  31. nicos

    I watched a good bit of the second half of the Timberwolves game last night- during the time I watched AR had three ugly flings- two of which went in- and got to the line a couple of times. He was very active on the boards- no question the guy can rebound- not much of a factor on D but didn’t make any glaring mistakes either. The Pistons weren’t exactly burning up with defensive intensity, especially in transition so probably not a game you can draw any real conclusions from other than what we already knew- the guy’s very athletic, can rebound and run the floor, but still raw enough that I don’t know how much he was going to help this year even if he’d gotten steady playing time.

  32. NateRobinson

    Rautins is good friends with Fields, I think that is the only thing keeping him on this team…

  33. adrenaline98

    @37, because offensive statistics produce player salaries and perceived value. Sure, D’Antoni ran the same offense in Phoenix as he did here earlier this year, but he must have known that:
    1. He doesn’t have Steve Nash
    2. He didn’t have as good of 3 shooters and veteran playmakers like Marion.

    To some degree, I think D’Antoni’s changed his view on defense. Sure, he still values a high powered offense, but clearly, there is a renewed vigor on defense because he’s stressing it. It also comes down to the players playing hard, and Melo is playing hard. Billups has always been an excellent defender – he’s just aging now.

    I think Mike D knows what he needs to do to win. He plays to his strong suit, as can be evidenced by run and gun with Steve Nash and Isos with Melo. He’s a better coach than most give him credit for. In fact, in spite of people digging at him for not playing AR, it’s exactly that speedball offense that produced enough numbers for Gallo/Chandler/Felton to make that trade happen. Imagine if they were all playing for Larry Brown and the Bobcats – Melo would have been across the river.

  34. Jim Cavan Post author

    adrenaline98: In fact, in spite of people digging at him for not playing AR, it’s exactly that speedball offense that produced enough numbers for Gallo/Chandler/Felton to make that trade happen. Imagine if they were all playing for Larry Brown and the Bobcats – Melo would have been across the river.

    That an interesting point. You could certainly have made that case for Felton earlier in the season, but it seemed like by the trade deadline his numbers had largely fallen back to the career mean. But Gallo and Chandler sure — they probably put up better numbers in this system than they would have maybe anywhere else. Obviously both have a lot of room to grow (and particularly Gallo), but you’re right to say we may have benefited from the slight inflation of certain stats that goes part and parcel with playing in SSOL.

  35. adrenaline98

    I would argue that D’Antoni, because he understands the concepts of trade value (iirc, he was the GM in Phoenix for a while), he inexplicably played a type of basketball that did not fit to the tune of the old Knicks roster in order to hype their value. I never felt SSOL fit with the Knicks, and the biggest reason why is because the point guard needs to be able to shoot as efficiently as anyone else on the roster. TD and Ray both do not. They are both streaky. But in the right system, Felton certainly looks more creative, totalling higher assist numbers (sometimes even gaudy when the Knicks were on fire).

    I think now that the trade Deadline is past, and Mike D knows he’s got a group of stars and a good floor general to work with, he will emphasize the points of defense and create an offensive plan that suits his players. He did the exact same thing in Phoenix. SSOL is not just a system that a coach goes in and says “this is what I’m doing with any cast of players.” Look at his Phoenix crew. SSOL really thrived when Amar’e had powerful knees, but not much of a mid-range or post up game. It thrived on players like Marion and Barbosa, who moved like gazelles but had no real NBA ‘skill’. LB was a good shooter, but Marion was a career 35% guy that fed on the crowd with awkward shooting positions.

    I think the knocks on D’Antoni are rather unfair until we see how well he does with Melo and Amar’e. He’s got the floor general now too. While ‘defense’ is not something most people attribute to Amar’e and Melo, I think all parties involved understands that it takes hard work and commitment to a defense capable of advancing in the playoffs, and so it becomes necessary at this point to stress it.

    Considering how much more complicated an offensive scheme is compared to a defensive scheme, and how much more proactive it is rather than reactive, do people really think MDA can’t stress/teach/implement a good defense?

  36. jon abbey

    what’s a shame is that he couldn’t keep Mozgov buried just a few weeks longer, then maybe Denver wouldn’t have asked for him at all.

  37. Brian Cronin

    what’s a shame is that he couldn’t keep Mozgov buried just a few weeks longer, then maybe Denver wouldn’t have asked for him at all.

    I blame Marvin Williams. If he hadn’t caused that fight against Extra E, Mozgov would never have gotten off of the bench against Detroit. Damn you, Marvin Williams!! First you trick Atlanta into taking you over Chris Paul and Deron Williams (how hilarious is that in retrospect?), but now you led to Mozgov looking good enough that Nuggets had to have him!

  38. Brian Cronin

    As a quick aside on that draft. Look at how many awful players were taken before David Lee in that draft! Hilarious.

  39. adrenaline98

    What’s sad about David Lee is we turned a good offensive player and rebounder into Turiaf basically.

  40. swiftandabundant

    Last night’s game was great. Hey, that Cleveland game sucked but with the exception of that game, we’ve looked pretty good with this new line up. I love Anthony Carter and Jeffries fits right in. Would not be surprised if he ended up starting. Dude grabbed a lot of boards last night in limited minutes. He should never shoot the ball though. I just laughed when he missed that layup. Last year I would have been crying at that but its all good now. TD really stepped up. A game like last night could be huge for him.

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  41. Brian Cronin

    What’s sad about David Lee is we turned a good offensive player and rebounder into Turiaf basically.

    It seems that way, but really, they were never going to re-sign Lee because they prefered to have the cap space to get Melo and another star, and if they had re-signed Lee or traded him for someone good but expensive (Al Jefferson, Monta Ellis, etc.) then they wouldn’t have the 2012 cap room they wanted. So while yeah, neither Azu nor AR turned out the way they hoped, the cap room was their biggest concern, and they got what they wanted there.

  42. adrenaline98

    Question is: If the Knicks had D. Lee instead of AR/Azabuike, could they have saved Chandler or Gallo or Mozgov from the Nuggets/Wolves deals. Meaning, would a package of Lee + Chandler + Felton netted the same deal. Meaningless to debate, but I want my Gallo back.

  43. jon abbey

    adrenaline98: What’s sad about David Lee is we turned a good offensive player and rebounder into Turiaf basically.  

    what’s sad about David Lee is he makes Amare look like Mutumbo on D.

  44. Jim Cavan Post author

    adrenaline98: I would argue that D’Antoni, because he understands the concepts of trade value (iirc, he was the GM in Phoenix for a while), he inexplicably played a type of basketball that did not fit to the tune of the old Knicks roster in order to hype their value. I never felt SSOL fit with the Knicks, and the biggest reason why is because the point guard needs to be able to shoot as efficiently as anyone else on the roster. TD and Ray both do not. They are both streaky. But in the right system, Felton certainly looks more creative, totalling higher assist numbers (sometimes even gaudy when the Knicks were on fire).

    I don’t know if I entirely agree with the whole “D’Antoni as evil genius” theory, but who knows? Any schmuck with a fantasy team knows that D’Antoni’s players are gold, so he has to know how his system tends to bolster certain stats. But I also have to believe that most GMs take that into consideration when evaluating prospects playing under said system. Then again, it might be easy to convince yourself a Boris Diaw or Wilson Chandler will put up similar numbers for your team if you stare hard enough at the numbers.

    But it is interesting how quickly D’Antoni’s changed his tune since Melo arrived. You have to wonder whether maybe Amar’e and Melo maybe had a talk with him to kind of hash out how the offense would run, and maybe D’Antoni decided to capitulate a tad to his stars. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. In fact, any flexibility on his part is, at this point, more than welcome.

  45. chrisk06811

    jon abbey: what’s sad about David Lee is he makes Amare look like Mutumbo on D.  (Quote)

    A defensive play by Amare just helped us get our biggest win of the year.

  46. chrisk06811

    I just read that Corey Brewer is 6 foot 9, 188 lbs. I hope we gave him a sandwhich while he was here.

  47. adrenaline98

    So, I just heard a clip of an interview with Rucco and Lundberg this morning on their crappy show, the second verse on 1050 ESPN radio. D’Antoni pretty much explicitly said they were building up player stats to get rid of them. That seems very bold to me, and I actually like that. On the other hand, I highly doubt he was talking about Gallo or Chandler. I think he wanted to keep those pieces.

    Those that are butchering the Knicks for getting rid of Mozgov, you have to consider that his one good game pretty much sealed his deal out of there. But we all know Fields is the consistent player among those two. Those that love Fields and are killing the Knicks for Mozgov should consider that the Knicks were making this deal anyway, and that it would have been Fields gone instead of Mozgov had he not played that game.

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