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Thursday, October 23, 2014

Knicks 101 Bobcats 98

The game wasn’t as close as the final score indicates. New York led the whole fourth quarter and was up by 9 with under 4 minutes to go. It didn’t start off that way. The Knicks trailed the Bobcats until Nate Robinson exploded for 24 first half points. Zach Randolph ended up with 25 points on 15 shots. Chandler had another poor shooting night (6-14 for 18 points), but handed out some Ill-Will with 3 blocks. Wilson now has 60% of the team’s blocks, which underscores the team’s need for shotblocking in the frontcourt. Meanwhile, Quentin Richardson stunk up the Garden. Richardson hit only 1 of 9 shots, many of which were wide open shots from downtown. He also had 6 turnovers.

63 comments on “Knicks 101 Bobcats 98

  1. Owen

    I will say this about Chandler last night: with a three, and with a 5-5 performance at the foul line, he posted a ts% of 55.5, which is what we want to see from the lad. He played very well…

  2. alee

    I dont know how you can say chandler had “another poor shooting night” if all of our players are one shot removed from being a 50% shooter i will mos def take that. plus it appears that the only thing close that this team has for an interior defender is our second year wing man. Not very promising, but the boy ill-will is seemingly starting to slowly realize his potential …

  3. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    You can call it a poor shooting night if he made 6 dunks and missed 8 jump shots. Just because a player’s FG% is average doesn’t mean he takes good shots.

  4. Owen

    “dont know how you can say chandler had “another poor shooting night” if all of our players are one shot removed from being a 50% shooter i will mos def take that.”

    The thing is, in the NBA, the difference between the good players and the great players is a shot a night, or a few foul shots per night, or a few threes per night.

  5. mase

    im stating the obvious here but our frontcourt lacks defense.
    Jeffries is not a center… is Walsh going to address this?

  6. o_boogie

    “can we get anything for a crawford + Q package at this point???”

    No chance. Maybe Mark Blount or Marko Jaric and another bad contract.

    Regarding David Lee, I think now is the time to sell high. He has been struggling under D’Antoni’s system. Granted he can get you 6 to 10 rebounds per night consistently and have good shooting nights (i.e. 6-8, 5-6, 8-12). However, his defensive shortcomings are a big problem. Against the Bucks, Lee’s matador defense made Bogut look like all-nba 2nd team material. Considering Lee’s athleticism and knack for chasing down rebounds, one would think he would be a better shot blocker. Also, I am wary about his work ethic because his body isn’t as cut as a professional athlete should be. I am not expecting him to look like Superman or Lebron, but if his job is to stay in shape he shouldn’t have baby fat on his arms.

    Lee’s value is really high and many teams are high on him. I think he is the perfect role player for a championship calibre team. However, he is not a leader nor the centerpiece of a rebuilding franchise. If we could swing him with a bad contract for some cap relief and a nice young player or high first rounder, I would take it in a second.

    The past two games have really opened my eyes to Lee’s true value. I always hoped that Lee would be an allstar, considering he seemed like a silver lining in the Isiah era. However, it is quite clear that Lee isn’t the answer to our problems and if we extend him, it may compromise Walsh’s long term plan of 2010 cap relief.

  7. mase

    lee is having trouble because Zach plays his position and can score at will. Unless he can start blocking shots and defend opposing bigs he will lose his starting role to Jeffries.

  8. Owen

    “lee is having trouble because Zach plays his position and can score at will.”

    I don’t dispute that Zach is a tough guy to play with. But as for scoring at will, how soon we forget when Randolph has a good game. His ts% is still lower than Lee’s for the season, thanks to the 6-17 and the 5-19 that preceded last nights performance.

    Lee is still much much better. In four games, he has played two of the worst games I have seen from him as a Knick, and is still slightly above average for a power forward so far this season.

    And also, completely terrible use of statistics, but Zach was -15 last night while Lee was +11.

  9. Caleb

    he is not a leader nor the centerpiece of a rebuilding franchise

    There’s no reason to divide players into “centerpiece” and “non-centerpiece” categories — everyone has a certain value; it’s a sliding scale.

    he can get you 6 to 10 rebounds per night consistently and have good shooting nights (i.e. 6-8, 5-6, 8-12

    If he plays anything like the last two years, in starter’s minutes he would average 10-12 boards and be top 15 in the league in shooting percentage. But he is not looking sharp so far – and defense is a weakness.

    If we could swing him with a bad contract for some cap relief and a nice young player or high first rounder, I would take it in a second.

    I think anyone would go for this – straight up for a top-10 pick, or dumping a BIG bad contract (Curry or Randolph) and getting any first-rounder in return. Hard to gauge what the offers have been.

    I would guess that in February, every Knick is on the block, for the right price.

  10. o_boogie

    “If he plays anything like the last two years, in starter’s minutes he would average 10-12 boards and be top 15 in the league in shooting percentage. But he is not looking sharp so far – and defense is a weakness.”

    I’m not sure his production would increase linearly with an increase in minutes. Coming off the bench, Lee generally matched up against most teams second units. However, when he is being guarded night-in night-out by KG, Bosh, B.Lopez, Elton Brand, Reggie Evans to name some PF’s in our division, there is NO chance he will continue at the same rate.

    Again, I like Lee and I agree it is a sliding scale. But this is a superstar driven league. If we keep Lee it will most likely hinder our chance of signing a superstar.

  11. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    I will say this about Chandler last night: with a three, and with a 5-5 performance at the foul line, he posted a ts% of 55.5, which is what we want to see from the lad. He played very well…

    You’re right I missed that.

    “If he plays anything like the last two years, in starter’s minutes he would average 10-12 boards and be top 15 in the league in shooting percentage. But he is not looking sharp so far – and defense is a weakness.”

    I’m not sure his production would increase linearly with an increase in minutes. Coming off the bench, Lee generally matched up against most teams second units. However, when he is being guarded night-in night-out by KG, Bosh, B.Lopez, Elton Brand, Reggie Evans to name some PF’s in our division, there is NO chance he will continue at the same rate.

    Again, I like Lee and I agree it is a sliding scale. But this is a superstar driven league. If we keep Lee it will most likely hinder our chance of signing a superstar.

    That’s not it at all. Per minute stats never have worked that way. I think I know why Lee is underperforming at this point, but I’ll save that for when I have time for a little research.

  12. Caleb

    I am looking forward to KB’s post.

    Yes, the per-minute argument has been explained thoroughly on the board.. I’ll just throw in that Lee is playing half a minute less per game than he did two years ago, when he was 2nd in the league in rebounding per minute, and TS%.

  13. Thomas B.

    Announcer: Now live from the Bizzaro Zone, it’s the man with the Kool-Aid and sandwich board sign to match. He not going to let a little thing like incontrovertible fact get in the way of his opinion. It is the one, the only, the down right batshit crazy. Thomas Beeeeeeeeee!!

    Thank you thank you. This is just the Tommy B thought, which as always has no basis in stats, published reports, or as jon abbey might say even reality. So here I go.

    David Lee’s slow start could be due to playing in a offense that does not employ post entry passing. David did a lot of damage as a weak side rebounder, and much of that came on the offensive glass. Weak side offensive boards are a good source of easy scoring opportunities, which usually help your rebounding and FG%. Lets say this was two years ago and Lee was playing along side Curry in the post, Crawford gives to Curry and assuming he does not turn it over, Curry draws a double-with Lee’s man leaving to help. Curry forces a bad shot, Lee crashes the boards for a quick put back. Three of those a game could account for some of Lee’s early struggles. Lee’s offensive rebounding chances are further diminished by an offense that (allegedly) runs and pushes the ball for quick scores. Lee runs no doubt but that shot could be up before he is optimal position for an offensive rebound. Also, with Steph out of the line up, the Knicks guards do not get to the rim. The PF and centers do not need to step in to contain the penetration and Lee does not have a shot at an offensive board or a dish. When does Nate or Crawford drive, draw the double, and dish?

    So there you have it. My analysis on the somewhat off David Lee. Of course I have not done any research, I barely scan the box scores, and I have watched about 11 minutes of the Knicks playing while making dinner and watching my two young boys (2.8 and .75 years old).

  14. Thomas B.

    “Sure, the Knicks ended up winning that game, a 120-115 victory over the Heat. And following Wednesday’s home win over the Bobcats, the Knicks are 2-2. Baby steps, I suppose. But if you can imagine the Phoenix Suns of the past few years, minus the offensive efficiency, then essentially you have the 2008-09 New York Knicks.”
    -LZ Granderson http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=granderson/081106&sportCat=nba

    I would have said the same thing if I knew what offensive efficiency was.

  15. ess-dog

    What about:

    Lee & Crawford and Curry (or Malik) in a swap for Al Harrington and Anthony Randolph.

    They get Lee and a scorer in Crawford off the bench. We team up Al with Zach at center and and Ant. Randolph to our young core with Gallinari and Chandler. They don’t need A. Randolph with B. Wright coming into his own anyway.

  16. Ted Nelson

    o_boogie,

    David Lee is hardly the first player to move from the bench into the starting line-up, there should be a very obvious trend and it should be very easy to prove your point if you’re right. Everything I’ve seen says you’re wrong, though.

  17. Owen

    I would rather have Brandan Wright than A. Randolph, very promising rookie numbers, and runs like a deer, jumps like a deer, and scores efficiently.

    If Lee is the price we pay for eliminating our salary cap issues, I am fine with that. I have said it many times. But Harrington is trash. I would hope we could get more back.

  18. Caleb

    I think we could do better. Crawford alone could bring back a mid-to late first rounder, along with an equally big, shorter contract. Like Harrington + next year’s 1st rounder in GS.

    Meanwhile, I’d like to think that Lee + Curry could accomplish more than just a straight salary dump.

    I like Brandan Wright, though.

  19. jon abbey

    “Chandler is slowly taking Jeffries job and I’m love it! ”

    Jeffries is going to be a center when he comes back, Malik Rose’s minimal role will be gone and I’d guess Chandler will play more SF and Q’s minutes will be cut a bit. I honestly can’t believe that I’m excited for Jared Jeffries’ return, so so so sad.

  20. cwod

    Does that mean Lee moves back to the bench after Jeffries returns? Then he’ll get to play against the other team’s backups, right? Because bench players always match up with one another.

    Fast forward to the trade deadline, we hopefully ship off Zach, and Lee slides back into the starting lineup at his natural PF spot. KnickerBlogger readers rejoice.

    As bad as Lee looked last night, Q-Rich was worse. He had some truly awful turnovers.

    Crawford is terrible at defense. This cannot be emphasized enough.

    At least it looks like they’re trying on defense, Chandler’s glaring fourth quarter lapse notwithstanding. They’re just not very good at it, especially once the other team gets into the paint.

  21. Leo

    I think the main factor that explains Lee’s poor start is obvious- he’s playing Center when he really isn’t quite built for the position. This makes his already mediocre defense look downright weak as he struggles to defend bigger players, and he’s less often in position for those weak side rebounds that got him many of those high percentage shots/

    My biggest disappointment of this season so far is that Q. Rich is still apparently a starter- I hate that we traded Balkman when he has exactly what this team needs and could be taking Q Rich’s minutes. Q. Rich last season was the worst offensive player in the entire league. In the ENTIRE league, starting for us at SF. I doubt his back woes have magically improved over the off-season. He will show flashes of his old self from time to time (as in Game 1) and he’ll look less ridiculously awful in D’Antoni’s offense in general, but he is still a far below average player and a real millstone around this team’s neck.

    Finally, I’m no fan of Marbury, and I realize he’s lost a step and a half since his 20/8 seasons, but he can give us at least 15-18 decent minutes off the bench, can’t he? Mardy Collins is just not an NBA rotation player.

  22. jon abbey

    “Finally, I’m no fan of Marbury, and I realize he’s lost a step and a half since his 20/8 seasons, but he can give us at least 15-18 decent minutes off the bench, can’t he? Mardy Collins is just not an NBA rotation player.”

    Mardy Collins didn’t play last night.

  23. UK Knick

    Not a major stat but, for me, quite satisfying is our free throws at 92.9% (13-14) which were the second best of the night after Utah’s 95.5% (21-22). OK so 14 isn’t loads of fouls but 64% would have lost us the game. Maybe it’s me but low FT numbers (anything < 85%) really bug me as it’s throwing points away.

  24. Gorky

    Sure Q had a bad shooting night, but he had 1 block, which according to my math is 20% of our blocks (if 3 blocks is 60%). Also, he had a very good shooting game against Milwaukee. Just like Z-Bo has good and bad shooting nights, so will Q-Rich.

  25. o_boogie

    Ted, Mike K, Caleb:

    My point about Lee and linearity was an extremely superficial statistical point. However, common sense would indicate his numbers would go up. There are factors that could suggest why he is not getting said increases:
    1) Z-bo taking up his space on the floor
    2) Getting in early foul trouble (Bucks game)
    3) Lee’s lack of opportunities for weak side rebounding
    4) Not adjusting or fitting well to D’Antoni’s system
    5) Lack of comfort as a starter vs. a reserve role
    6) Bad match-ups against starters

    If we could keep Lee I would be all about that. If we are to lure a superstar in 2010 it would help to have some solid role players, and Lee would be perfect for that. However, as Mitch Lawrence has been saying all along, no one on our roster has any value. The only way we are going to get someone to take Curry or Z-bo (to a lesser degree if he plays well and teams need a big in Feb).

  26. Owen

    “Not a major stat but, for me, quite satisfying is our free throws at 92.9% (13-14) which were the second best of the night after Utah’s 95.5% (21-22). OK so 14 isn’t loads of fouls but 64% would have lost us the game. Maybe it’s me but low FT numbers (anything < 85%) really bug me as it’s throwing points away.”

    It’s a good point. Think about how Orlando feels on a nightly basis with D-Ho….

  27. Owen

    Watching the Orlando-Philly game. I struggle to believe that Gallinari will ever be as good as Speights. Unbelievable block just now….

  28. nj hoop

    The good news – Chandler had 3 blocks last night (impressive) The bad news – they were the Knicks first 3 blocks OF THE SEASON!

  29. Owen

    Portland looks like my keeper league fantasy team, too many good players, not enough great players. They need to do a 2-1…

  30. jon abbey

    or even a 3 for 1, they’ve been targeting guys like Danny Granger (no chance) and Mike Conley (I could see this happening) for a while now.

  31. Ted Nelson

    Lee’s had a couple of bad games early, but his numbers were pretty much in line with last season until the Bobcats game. Two good games in a row and he’s right back where he was last season, two more bad games and I’ll be a little more concerned.
    I have to hope that D’Anotni is smart enough not to take Lee’s strengths away from him in order to give Zach Randolph a free pass to do whatever he wants (which he’s had for several seasons and rarely used well), maybe he’s trying to raise Randolph’s trade value or maybe he’s as stubborn as I fear and I’m going to have to start sendd’antonibacktoitaly.com. One thing that miffs me is that D’Antoni said players were overdribbling in preseason and proceded to bench Marbury in the regular season. I’m not a fan of overdribbling but this is a poor jump-shooting team that should be living at the FT line. D’Antoni seems intent on implementing his system at all costs, as if he’s a football coach. He also seems to believe that his system magically makes bad shooters good: he said before last season that Grant Hill would shoot 40% on 3-pointers in Phoenix… he’s a career 27% 3-point shooter and shot a whopping 31.7% for D’Antoni (the only other season he took nearly as many 3s he shot 34.7%, so I’m not impressed). D’Antoni was also publically confident that Shaq would be the missing link to a title. It’s one thing to let bad 3-point shooters like Hill fire away to open up things for terrifically efficient scorers like Nash and Amare, but to miss shots to open things up for terrifically inefficient scorers like Randolph, Crawford, and Chandler?????? I fear that Walsh will have to severally limit himself in what kind of personnel he goes after, which is going to be a very dangerous strategy.
    It was only preseason, but Lee started out on fire in this system. He goes down with an injury and has been very up and down since, might just be a coincidence but he might still be hurting.

    o_boogie,

    Zach and Eddy’s trade value will increase as the lengths of their contracts decrease. Zach is obviously helping his value a lot more than Curry by putting up 18 and 10.5 a game (although he’s actually stinking it up with a TS% of .487). I think those who say teams will be lining up for him at the deadline are going too far, but I do think teams will be interested. The question is whether the Knicks realize that moving him would be addition by subtraction and are willing to take the deals offered… even a straight salary dump. We’ll see.

    Between the heart condition, the medicine ball incident, the annual underacheiving, and not even being on the active roster Curry is going to be hard to move. There’s always the hope that he’s working his way into shape and takes Randolph’s minutes when he’s moved. Curry’s been around long enough that people know what he is and what he isn’t, though (http://www.realgm.com/src_goaltending/139/20081104/cooking_with_curry/). I have to think that eventually some Coach/GM combo is desperate enough for inside scoring, has what they think are the right pieces around him, and doesn’t care about being under the cap in 2010. No obvious candidate comes to mind (Charlotte, actually, but LB obviously isn’t going for a Curry deal), but Walsh has a season and a half to find that team. If he does I certainly hope that he’s willing to take a bag of peanuts with a $10 mill per deal that expires before 2010. (Some cadidates: Mark Blount, Etan Thomas, Cat Mobley, Brian Cardinal & Mark Madsen, Rafer Alston + salalries, Kenny Thomas, Mike James/Ryan Bowen/Sean Marks.)

  32. Ted Nelson

    Holy crap, was going for the trade checker on RealGM and saw this article: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55285/20081107/knicks_pursuing_harrington_spurs_seek_curry/

    Curry to SA, Harrington to NY, the only problem is what is SA willing to give up that works salary wise and GS is willing to take???? I don’t particularly care for Al Harrington anyway, and a straight Curry to San Antonio deal is probably a lot easier to put together. An Oberto, Bonner, and Jacque Vaughn deal could work, with the Knicks giving a wink-wink agreement to cut 1, 2, or all of them. I’d channel Eddy Curry and do a back-flip. Kurt Thomas, Bonner, and Ian Mahinmi would work after Dec 15, with the Knicks cutting Thomas and Bonner and getting a raw prospect out of the deal.

    ———————————————–

    I think Portland has to be careful, they have a lot of good young players who are only going to get better. Oden certainly has a chance to be great if he can stay healthy, and Roy and Aldridge are both looking very good. To blow a bunch of their assets on an overrated semi-star would likely be a mistake, although I know the media will be all over them after Chicago failed to pull the trigger on KG, Pau, etc. However, I think Oden, Roy, Aldridge could be a championship core, Fernandez has done better than I expected (as has Batum) and could be a 6th man of the year if he’s not starting, and several of the guys around them look like good role players. Teams aren’t going to give them a sure thing for their peripheral prospects like Outlaw, Webster, Rodriguez, Bayless, Frye, Batum unless they overpay. Along with the Granger, Conley, etc. rumors they were also trying to get into the top of the draft over the summer, so if the right deal comes along I have to think they’ll jump on it.

    The Blazers are 2-3 right now, but their opening 5 games have all been against Western Conference contenders (LAL, SA, Pho, Utah, Houston). Has any team had a harder opening schedule? Minnesota should feel like a rec league team after those 5. That start should be a good wake up call for these guys to realize how much they need to improve to really contend. Their future comes down in large part to Oden’s health, of course.

  33. Ray

    Theres talk of Lee and Rose to Golden State for Harrington and possibly Eddy curry to San Antonio. What would we get back from the Spurs? Jacque Vaughn?? Maybe we can steal a pick from them?? Who knows?? What a weird year this will be.

  34. DS

    What would we get back from the Spurs?

    If any of this chatter actually bears fruit, it’s most important to dump Curry, Harrington might be a nice short-term addition, and whatever the Spurs could offer would be a tertiary concern.

  35. DS

    To really address your question though – the Spurs have no big contracts except for Parker, Ginobili and Duncan (Bowen’s is 4mm/per). It looks like they’d have to move 6 guys equal Harrinton’s and Curry’s salaries.

  36. Ted Nelson

    I don’t particularly care for Al Harrington anyway, and a straight Curry to San Antonio deal is probably a lot easier to put together. An Oberto, Bonner, and Jacque Vaughn deal could work, with the Knicks giving a wink-wink agreement to cut 1, 2, or all of them. I’d channel Eddy Curry and do a back-flip. Kurt Thomas, Bonner, and Ian Mahinmi would work after Dec 15, with the Knicks cutting Thomas and Bonner and getting a raw prospect out of the deal.

    I read the Daily News Article and it seems to be mostly Frank Isola’s speculation. Rose/Lee for Harrington straight up would be crazy, and I think I would honestly stop rooting for the Knicks if they did it. I would be more than willing to see Crawford go for Harrington, since if moves the Knicks closer to their 2010 goal while bringing back a very comparable talent.
    Newsday’s article seems a lot more credible. It confirms that Walsh made a call to the Warriors and has yet to hear back, and speculates that Curry for Harrington would be attractive to the Knicks as much for salary cap reasons as talent reasons.

  37. caleb

    Al Harrington is awful, but at least his contract is over by 2010 – that should be the only reason we take him. Walsh did draft him, and later re-signed him as a FA – but he also shipped him to Golden State 3 months after the last deal, so I don’t think he’s fooled.

    It’s not remotely possible that the Spurs would take Curry — their cap situation is clear in 2010 and they’re not going to commit $10 million dollars to EC when they could use that money on a free agent.

  38. caleb

    I would be more than willing to see Crawford go for Harrington

    I’m no Crawford fan, but he’s better and younger than Harrington, not to mention that his league-wide trade value is a lot higher. But I’d love that deal, if we also could bring back a draft pick.

    Harrington rebounds less than Eddy Curry, if I’m not mistaken, and barely cracks a TS of 50.

  39. Caleb

    Curry for Harrington is conceivable, and a pretty even deal, talent wise. I guess with all the money GS committed to Ellis & Maggette, their 2010 cap space is chewed up anyway.

    Of course that would mean an end to small-ball — Biedrins would have to play PF. But that probably doesn’t matter; Nelson isn’t going to be around forever.

  40. Roshi

    Did anyone read Hooped Up’s 5 Marbury trade ideas (linked to above)? They are all ludicrous! Every scenario has Marbury being traded for 3 rotation players. The Knicks would be lucky to get 1 rotation player. My personal favorite is Marbury/Mardy Collins for Lamar Odom/Chris Mihm/Jordan Farmar. I don’t know…I think they’d have to throw in Gasol to sweeten the deal, no?

  41. Ted Nelson

    Harrington posted a TS% of .547 last season and .540 the season before. He does rebound like a SF because, well, that’s the position he should play. Harrington also has a better defensive rep than Crawford, although not so much at the 4.
    I would also think Crawford could bring back a better deal, but if Walsh really wants Harrington I wouldn’t really care if he moved Jamal’s salary in the process.

    Meanwhile, Newsday also mentions that Charlotte might also be interested in Curry. I could totally see it if it weren’t for the Larry Brown connection, would have no problem taking back Adam Morrison and another contract for Curry. The other contract would pretty much have to be Raymond Felton, though, and I don’t know if Charlotte give both for Curry. Or I guess they’d probably offer Nazr. The author makes it seem like he has a source, but never actually mentions one. Newsday is also owned by Cablevision…

  42. Caleb

    I guess Harrington is more efficient than I remember him in Atlanta. But he’s 6’9 and even a couple of years ago was getting too slow to guard 3s… I’d consider him a tweener with no peripheral skills. A decent scorer off the bench. Harrington for Curry would be an interesting swap. THey’re both famous, way more famous than they are good, which help the respective GMs save face.

  43. Caleb

    As trade ideas go, Chicago is such a wreck I wonder if they would be willing to take a flyer on Zach. I can’t even daydream about dumping Curry in Chicago…

    …but for some reason Vinny Del Negro is only playing Joaqim Noah 12 minutes a game, so I will let my fantasy include a trade of Zach for Noah & Larry Hughes.

    If they want to give up on Tyrus T., I won’t complain either. He’s only playing mini-minutes, too.

  44. ess-dog

    Well really, getting Monta Ellis wound be the ultimate goal of dealing with GS. And it’s not out of the question after the shit he pulled. But I just don’t think we have the talent to pull that trade, even if we include Lee. Hey, I would do Randolph for Harrington and Randolph. We get a shorter contract and a young player, they get a slightly better PF. Even though Randolph is our best player so far. I don’t think GS would give up Wright either. The goal is to have a good young 2nd team waiting in the wings when all our contracts expire, then add a big talent to go with it through free agency. In the meantime, have guys like Duhon (and Harrington)fill the 2 year gap.

  45. Caleb

    I would pee in my pants if they took Randolph for Harrington. If they want to hold onto Anthony Randolph, we could demand draft picks, even 2nd rounders.

  46. o_boogie

    Ted,

    I agree about your statement regarding contract length and trade value. However, the reason I stated my point is I believe Lee has peaked and we should “Moneyball” him before other GM’s realize he has reached his ceiling. I do not have experts insight to if this speculation is reality, but I think we can get a lot for him and fulfill our needs. If we could swing Curry or Z-bo by themselves and still stay within the gameplan, I would love to keep Lee. But I think we could also get a nice(r) young player if he is included.

    I hate to be ignorant, but what is the medicine ball incident?

    What about Curry and Lee for Harrington and Branden Wright?

  47. Ted Nelson

    I certainly don’t think Lee is untouchable and I would probably support a Curry/Lee for Harrington/Wright deal. Both the Curry for Harrington part and the Lee for Wright part.
    Unfortunately, Wright had to crush our hopes and dream by having a monster game in 32 min against Denver after playing a combined 25 min the first 3 games. Before that game I would assume GS was more likely to move Wright than Anthony Randolph, but now I don’t know. It was a career game to date, so it’s going to depend how he plays from here. Combine that break-out game with GS not liking Curry and Lee having similar strenths (rebounding and high efficiency scoring, although Wright offers shotblocking and maybe defense) and weaknesses (neither has much range on his jumper) to Wright and it could take a 3 way deal that gets GS someone they love.
    I could see Nellie letting Wright be traded because he has no jumper if he doesn’t have another game with the Denver game… would GS place a high enough value on Zach Randolph to trade Harrington and Wright for him? (works cap wise on realgm’s trade checker)

    Sergio Rodriguez is also demanding a trade… I’d like to see what he can do for D’Antoni, but I wonder what Portland will be looking for if they decide to honor his request (maybe include him in the 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 deal Jon and Owen were talking about). An interesting side plot is that Rudy Fernandez is his countryman, wonder if it will either influence Rudy’s opinion of McMillan that Sergio hates him or if Portland will be more willing to deal Sergio so he doesn’t influence Rudy’s opinion or less likely to deal him so Rudy still has a Spanish buddy on the team…

  48. o_boogie

    (crawford or curry) and malik rose for raef lafrentz and spanish chocolate???

    I think Malik would be a good addition for Portland in terms of providing leadership and veteran experience for all the impressionable young men.

  49. Nick C.

    Not trying to be argumentative, but it’s sad or funny that with the Knicks Malik is the alleged calming veteran influence but when he was with SA he was constantly in and out of Popovich’s dog house.

  50. Caleb

    I’d move Curry for nothing, so if it brings back Sergio, I’d love it. He is a lot of fun to watch. Still very young. ANd yet… he took a big step back last year, and had a TS% in the Mardy Collins range. I think Crawford has more value than that.

    Just based on the number of bodies they have, and multiple draft picks the next two years, Portland has to make some 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trades, or they will be watching guys walk for nothing.

    They just signed Webster to a 4-year extension so I doubt he’s on top of their trade list.

    That would probably be Rodriguez (or rights to Petteri Kopponen) and either Outlaw or Batum – probably Outlaw, if Batum looks like an NBA player. LaFrentz would be the $$ to make salaries match.

  51. Owen

    D’Antoni in the post today…

    “D’Antoni is extremely sensitive to Duhon critics after lobbying to sign him in July.

    “He played a great game (Wednesday),” D’Antoni said. “Averages don’t mean anything. That’s where we’re going to change things. The Knicks played well and he made the Knicks, so we’re good.”

    From the NYT:

    Duhon is still adjusting to D’Antoni’s high-tempo system, and his scoring average is not jumping out at anyone, but D’Antoni insisted on Thursday that fans’ expectations about point totals have to change. He saw no problem, for instance, with Duhon’s contributing just 7 points in 38 minutes against the Bobcats.

    “Nash scores zero and is one of the best players in the league,” D’Antoni said, referring to Steve Nash, the guard who orchestrated the D’Antoni system in Phoenix. “Individual stats mean absolutely nothing.”

    It’s so interesting to see how stats get bandied about in the media, and how public perception drives the conversation. It’s really screwed up both that D’Antoni has to defend Duhon’s play to date against people who asy he isn’t scoring enough, and that he thinks he has to do it by saying that stats are useless.

    Duhon has posted a WS per 48 of 7.4 through 4 games, above average for an NBA point guard. Not that I expect D’Antoni to use that argument…

  52. Duff Soviet Union

    the current Portland rumor is a package for Gerald Wallace.

    The current rumour is Wallace for Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract (Simmons is right. That’s his official name now), or some package involving Steve Blake, Channing Frye, or Travis Outlaw (2 of those guys, not all three). As a Blazers fan, I would be delighted with this deal.

  53. caleb

    If it was anyone but Michael Jordan running the team, that deal would be a non-starter.
    Maybe cap space does them more good than Wallace, but if they wait they’ll have plenty of bidders.

  54. Jay Zee Police Clyde

    Very Excited
    New Commentator introduced Yesterday.
    Is the BOO GENERATOR Finally on his way out?
    I like to think so.
    Promising day for the KnickerBocker fans.

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