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Monday, October 20, 2014

Knicks 100, Wolves 94

Editor’s note: Yes, I know the stats are wrong. The recap generator is broken. I think Bob peed on it. Yell at him.

New York Knicks 100 Final
Recap | Box Score
94 Washington Wizards
Carmelo Anthony, SF 44 MIN | 10-23 FG | 7-8 FT | 9 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 5 TO | 31 PTS | -9

Rumor has it Melo walked into Novak’s hotel room last night just as Steve was finishing up with Fargo – just as that big Swedish goon was giving Mrs. Lundegaard her… uh… last rites.

“That’s what I’m gonna do to the Wolves tomorrow, Steve.”

“…You’re gonna… feed basketball players head first into a woodchipper… And use a log to jam in the rest of their legs and shoes?”

“Yeah. You know, theoretically speaking.”

“Right. Say, do my arms look toned to you?”

This whole scene is funnier if you just imagine both of them drinking chocolate milk.

Melo’s 16 first half points came every which way – silky smooth Js, aggressive drives, and a couple of uber-timely threes, most of which came at the expense of Derrick Williams. There were peppered throughout a few nice kick-outs, too, though to minimal resulting avail, and the defense was generally lacking in fleet-footed switches and paint-conscious rotations.

Dogpoo. His defense was dogpoo, alright? There, I said it. Yeah the late-game block was impressive, but numerous late helps were not. Luckily, Melo’s offense was proportionally indispensable; whenever the Knicks needed a bucket, Melo tracked it down like doomed game, even if it meant a few ill-advised heat checks in the process. The game’s final stretch – in which the orange and blue went on a 24-7 tear – featured Melo at his closer finest: He turned both Derrick Williams and Dante Cunningham into failure statues, churning out a poetic parade of boisterously delicate moves, including a sweeping one-handed flip shot straight out of Hoosiers central casting. There remain in Melo’s game plenty of pocks for the picking, but clutch ain’t one of them. Which, I don’t know if I told you, but I came up with a formula for clutch: Games you would’ve lost without a clutch player / Carmelo Anthony x 2013 Knicks road games against the Wolves. Told you. CLUTCH.

Tyson Chandler, C 36 MIN | 3-6 FG | 2-2 FT | 13 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 8 PTS | -5

Nikola Pekovic — the Twin Cities’ most famous neck armor model whose diet conists solely of egg yolks and concrete slurry — must’ve seen Chandler as some kind of fancy-ass East Coast delicacy. This was evidenced by a few bullying early buckets and offensive rebounds that turned otherwise haphazard Wolves possessions into found money. Not wanting to pick up his second foul too early, Chandler let the diminutive Ricky Rubio slither his way to the bucket unencumbered…. before picking up the aforementioned second foul, like, thirty seconds later. Meanwhile, his second quarter stint was marred by an elbow stinger rendering three of his next four free throw attempts about a league too long.

The second half amounted to much of the same, with Chandler at once a chief culprit and innocent bystander on many a Wolf paint foray. But, as with Melo, the heroics were best served late – he re-routed a would-be Rubio game-knotter through the earth’s mantle, and got his grubby mitts on a couple of late-game loose balls. Someone (I can’t remember who but you can claim your prize by stopping my house and shoveling the eight feet of snow off my driveway while I’m out shopping for your prize at the CVS) ascertained that Chandler and Kidd – by virtue of having hauled in a Chip already, I guess – are simply saving fifth gear for springtime. Which is why they’ll kind of zone in and out, depending on the stakes at hand. Then again, he just tied the Knick record for consecutive 20-rebound games, so… I give up.

Jason Kidd, PG 18 MIN | 0-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -11

Our cager sage must’ve read the three dozen or so critical press dispatches, each baring more epitaphic dirt than the last. Because dude was pretty huge tonight – backing down Ridnour for a classic 50-plus rec league turnaround in the lane, nailing a corner three, and general being a nuisance at the most opportune times on D. He was as guilty as the rest on snuffing out the P&R, but at least there was a palpable sense of urgency from tip to final whistle.

Raymond Felton, PG 40 MIN | 6-13 FG | 2-2 FT | 3 REB | 4 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 17 PTS | +1

Just a pretty awful outing from Ray – over-dribbling without purpose, leaving enough room distance him and his man over screens to go tubing behind a speedboat on defense, letting J.J. Barea post him up on the block like Karl Malone. To make matters worse, Ray started overcompensating wildly while D-ing up Rubio – the one guy he should’ve been giving room – and committing a couple of really atrocious turnovers at the other end. Like many of his Bocker brethren, Ray’s was a performance best left for frostbite.

Iman Shumpert, PG 22 MIN | 2-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 5 PTS | -6

The sentiment has been espoused by pundits couch-bound and courtside alike, and I completely agree: Shump is trying just a bit TOO hard to make his presence known so soon after such a potentially career-altering injury. Tonight the defense, both on-ball on on-rotation, was particularly woeful, resulting in two quick fouls and a Woodson chain-yank so violent gumballs started spitting out of Shump’s shoes.

The second half was more of the same, punctuated by this early sequence: Shumpert saves the ball under his own basket to an opposing player, who dashes back down the court; Shumpert recovers, only to let Luke Ridnour sneak by him for an offense rebound and put-back; Shumpert retreats to bench, where Woodson commands him to thatch together a doghouse using nothing but empty Gatorade cups toenail clippings. There’s nothing we can do beyond chalking shitshows like this up to setbacks, so that’s exactly what we’ll do. Go get ‘em next time, Tigerchampsport.

Amar’e Stoudemire, PF 28 MIN | 6-11 FG | 7-9 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 3 BLK | 1 TO | 19 PTS | -3

It’s become maddeningly commonplace for STAT to just be completely ignored rolling off the pick – Felton missed him twice on what should’ve been pretty routine feeds in the early going – which makes his bourgeoning low post game all the more indispensable. A vicious one-handed hoop-plus-harm got things going, but Amar’e disappeared from the offense as quickly as he arrived. A nifty leaning baby hook led off the third, and his abuse of Minny folk hero Chris Johnson – a left-fake to baseline drive cooked up faster than Ramen served raw – made it seem like the second half might be STAT’s act. But a dumbass technical and lost defensive concentration earned him a stage hook down the stretch. So long as he keeps sneaking that efficiency through the airport metal detectors, we’ll take the occasional “episode.”

Steve Novak, SF 10 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -4

By hitting on two of his first three hoists from deep, hings started off mighty swell for ol’ Steve, whose participation in All-Star Weekend was both welcomed with aplomb by Bocker Nation and questioned for its long-term wisdom. I’ll personally reserve judgment until after Steve makes good on his pre-contest “Which one of you bitches is playing for second?” proclamation (I think that was Vashon Leonard) but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a hair worried about his prospects going forward.

Pablo Prigioni, PG 8 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 3 PTS | -11

All I really remember of Pablo’s performance happened at the start of the fourth quarter, when he followed up an ’82 Fred Brown assist to Derrick Williams by blowing a wide open layup at the other end just seconds later. Seriously, you could’ve parked a Buick in the space between Prigs and the next closest defender. Whatever.

J.R. Smith, SG 35 MIN | 6-14 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 13 PTS | -2

Only J.R. Smith can follow up hitting the side of the backboard on his first jumper by nailing a corner three two seconds later…. and then follow THAT up by eating Alexy Shved’s kicked-up court grime on a pair of possessions. His shot was a bit long most of the evening, but Earl interspersed a number of feeds – highlighted by a huge, run-bolstering oop to Chandler in the fourth – as impressive as they were timely. Save for the aforementioned Shved ankle-breaks, he’s also quickly becoming the most capable on-ball defender the Knicks have, which is both encouraging and pant-shittingly terrifying.

Five Things We Saw

  1. I don’t know if any of y’all caught a glimpse of Clyde’s getup tonight, but I think it might’ve been my favorite of the season so far. I call it “Sandoz Elk Hunt.”
  2. Perhaps no motif has been more caustically dissected than the inability of the Knicks backcourt to contain any guard faster than a Rascal. Jrue Holiday, Jameer Nelson, John Wall – these guys have all made mincemeat of the Knicks’ “switch like it’s a 70s key party” ethos. But when a team touts the slew of quick perimeter players wielded by the Wolves, ish can get especially ugly. Not surprisingly, the Knicks struggled mightily to stop Rubio, Ridnour, Barea and Shved from bending the defense to its pale patina’d will, spearheading 42 paint points (most of those coming in the first half), and finding cutters and spot-up shooters late in the shot clock like every other fucking time down the floor. Luckily the clamps came down in the game’s waning moments, but that doesn’t make Woodson’s Thursday comments – something to the effect of keeping Ray on the team’s opposing point to teach him “responsibility” – any easier to swallow.
  3. Thank Thor the Wolves only hits on 1-13 from beyond the arc. Aside from that one stat, this game eerily mirrored Wednesday’s D.C. meltdown – the same lackadaisical approach on D, the same lunges at late-game heroics, etc.
  4. After surrendering 31 in the third, the Knicks returned the favor by blitzing the Wolves 30-18 in the final frame and playing by far their finest defense in at least eight quarters – in stretches, anyway. Chalk the finish up in part to Minnesota’s heavy regression to the mean – there are just so many weird jumpers that Luke Ridnour and Dante Cunningham can really hit – and in part to a steadfast desire to not lose to two sub-.500 teams in a row.
  5. Weird how the world works. Twenty-four hours after kvetching emotive about losing my second rec league game in as many nights (and fouling out of last night’s), and the Knicks losing while the Pacers, Heat, Celtics, and Nets all waltzed away with Ws, Fortuna — that saucy trollop — rewarded us with pretty much the exact opposite: The Knicks win, Nets and Pacers lose, and I get to be snowed in with a furnace full of heat, good beer, and a white chocolate raspberry scone that’s been sitting in the cupboard for about a week but is still probably pretty good. Probably. Actually it’s the last edible thing in my house and I can’t see outside because of the 40-foot snow drifts so this is the last thing I’ll be eating for days. Wish me luck.

26 comments on “Knicks 100, Wolves 94

  1. jon abbey

    Melo made some plays on D, his patented huge-swipe-at-the-ball-as-the-shooter-is-going-up-that-for-virtually-anyone-else-in-the-league-is-an-automatic-foul-but-somehow-he-manages-to-time-it-to-get-all-ball move, more than once.

    Jason Kidd certainly makes some plays on D, but he needs to stop getting a free pass on his non-existent offense. his two made shots today were in the first four minutes of the game, he was scoreless the final 26 minutes he was out there, which would maybe be ok if he was making things happen by facilitating, but that is also fairly rare for him in recent weeks. if neither him nor Shumpert wakes up, it’s hard to keep starting them both.

  2. jon abbey

    ok, I rewatched the last seven minutes of this one, in which NY outscored MIN 24-7, 12 from Melo, 8 from JR, plus an alley oop from Smith to Chandler and Felton’s 2 FTs at the end. as if it wasn’t impressive enough to hold a team to 7 points in the last 7 minutes in their own building, 2 of those were on that super lucky shot by Cunningham, that hit the front rim, bounced up and somehow went in. on the flip side, they did miss three FTs, so I guess that evens out.

    anyway, very impressive last seven minutes, even considering the opposition. in the heyday of the Oakley/Mason Knicks, I remember being very proud that the Knicks always seemed to own the fourth quarter, and that seems to be moving towards reality again (the WAS game aside).

  3. yellowboy90

    Knicks interested in Dudley? Bye bye Shump? I hope not. Send them Novak, euro rights, and Cope. It’s probably not enough but maybe the Knicks can get a gift for a change. Another idea would send them Thomas, White, Brewer, Cope, and Euro rights plus a future pick. Save them some money and build for the future. Like I said the KNicks need a gift. Lindsy needs to hook his old coach up. lol.

  4. templar1984

    I’m confused. Novak had at least two 3s that I remember and a few two point shots. I felt like he did a fair bit of work tonight, minus the odd unbalanced socks.

  5. maxwell_3g

    jon abbey:
    Melo made some plays on D, his patented huge-swipe-at-the-ball-as-the-shooter-is-going-up-that-for-virtually-anyone-else-in-the-league-is-an-automatic-foul-but-somehow-he-manages-to-time-it-to-get-all-ball move, more than once.

    Jason Kidd certainly makes some plays on D, but he needs to stop getting a free pass on his non-existent offense. his two made shots today were in the first four minutes of the game, he was scoreless the final 26 minutes he was out there, which would maybe be ok if he was making things happen by facilitating, but that is also fairly rare for him in recent weeks. if neither him nor Shumpert wakes up, it’s hard to keep starting them both.

    completely ageed on kidd’s offense. He is nit hitting any threes(especially non corner ones) and cat penetrate and create, even with a defender running at him. this is all fine, but when melo creates a double and kicks out for the swing it around the perimeter passing for the inevitable three, the defense is not even charging hard at him, almost skipping the closeout on him. his shot is not making the defense pay for this and the defense is successfully and proactively covering the shooter that would be kidd’s logical swing pass target. basically, his lack of offense is not keeping the opposing d honest an is f’ing things up

  6. Z-man

    Back to Amundsun, I have no interest in guys who just can’t shoot at all. Like many here, I was excited about Ronnie Brewer, but soon it became apparent that he was a complete zero on offense, and even Woodson gave up on him.

    Our team has too many one-way players as it is. Guys like Sheed and Martin, for all their age and faults, can play both ends.

  7. Z-man

    Re: playoff implications of Feb road games vs. lesser teams, I am not concerned about that at all. Much more concerned with some trends like having issues with quicker PGs, rebounding vs. banging teams, and defending the 3-pt line. Also worry that this team depends too much on erratic players like Felton and Smith. Whatever, I feel way better about our prospects of going deep into the playoffs than I have in a decade.

    On another note, Indiana losing in OT to Toronto was big, especially since they had that game wrapped up at the end of regulation.

  8. ruruland

    yellowboy90:
    Knicks interested in Dudley? Bye bye Shump? I hope not. Send them Novak, euro rights, and Cope. It’s probably not enough but maybe the Knicks can get a gift for a change. Another idea would send them Thomas, White, Brewer, Cope, and Euro rights plus a future pick. Save them some money and build for the future. Like I said the KNicks need a gift. Lindsy needs to hook his old coach up. lol.

    Dudley is an excellent spot-up player obviously…. a guy who was once a tenacious and effective man defender but his Synergy numbers are among the worst in the league.

    Clearly he’d be an upgrade over both Novak and Copeland but there’s no way would it be in the Knicks short and long term interests to trade Shump for him at this stage of his career given how poor a defender he’s become the last 2-3 seasons.

  9. d-mar

    Random thought: when was the last time a Knick defender drew a charge? I think we were spoiled last year when Jeffries would draw his usual 2-3 a game, but it seems like this year no one steps into the lane when an opposing player is steamrolling to the basket. Including DPOY Tyson Chandler.

  10. David Crockett

    Z-man:
    Like many here, I was excited about Ronnie Brewer, but soon it became apparent that he was a complete zero on offense, and even Woodson gave up on him.

    Yeah, but have you seen Brewer on D? It’s been less than impressive. You gotta be able to play on ONE end. I don’t feel like it’s Amundson or bust, but we’re getting nothing from Sheed/Camby/Thomas right now. And Thomas is healthy. Theoretically, Amundson allows us to sit Chandler some and play small without getting destroyed by offensive rebounding.

  11. yellowboy90

    ruruland: Dudley is an excellent spot-up player obviously…. a guy who was once a tenacious and effective man defender but his Synergy numbers are among the worst in the league.

    Clearly he’d be an upgrade over both Novak and Copeland but there’s no way would it be in the Knicks short and long term interests to trade Shump for him at this stage of his career given how poor a defender he’s become the last 2-3 seasons.

    I think the Knicks need both and of course they would rather keep Shump and add Dudley but I saw KnickWall is reporting Dudley and a 1st fir SHump. I would think it would be the other way around but if it is Dudley and a 1st. You have to think about it imho. Knicks need a gift and Phx to accept the min vets, and future picks for DUdley.

  12. yellowboy90

    d-mar:
    Random thought: when was the last time a Knick defender drew a charge? I think we were spoiled last year when Jeffries would draw his usual 2-3 a game, but it seems like this year no one steps into the lane when an opposing player is steamrolling to the basket. Including DPOY Tyson Chandler.

    last night with Felton and before that it was either Kidd or Jr

  13. ruruland

    yellowboy90: I think the Knicks need both and of course they would rather keep Shump and add Dudley but I saw KnickWall is reporting Dudley and a 1st fir SHump. I would think it would be the other way around but if it is Dudley and a 1st. You have to think about it imho. Knicks need a gift and Phx to accept the min vets, and future picks for DUdley.

    I don’t see how that makes the Knicks better. They would get roughly the same contribution from Copeland/Novak, though Dudlet’s defense is surely better (though not by much). Shump’s ceiling is such that by the end of the year he can be a better player than Dudley.

    Shump and a first? No way.

  14. Frank

    Honestly- Shumpert plus someone like Novak for Dudley plus filler and a top 5-8 protected first is good enough for me. Dudley’s a good player, and having a near lottery pick plus our own pick sets us up nicely for the post big 3 era. I love Shumpert but that’s not bad return.

    Not saying I would make that deal but i wouldn’t be too upset. I overall don’t like the idea of trading assets at the bottom of their trade value so I wouldn’t do it myself- but it wouldn’t be too terrible.

  15. flossy

    ruruland: Dudley is an excellent spot-up player obviously…. a guy who was once a tenacious and effective man defender but his Synergy numbers are among the worst in the league.

    Clearly he’d be an upgrade over both Novak and Copeland but there’s no way would it be in the Knicks short and long term interests to trade Shump for him at this stage of his career given how poor a defender he’s become the last 2-3 seasons.

    Do you think his defense is related to effort/the quality of his team, or has something about Jared Dudley changed so that he can’t or won’t defend?

    If he really cannot guard anyone I don’t see the point, but if he’s the kind of player who puts in the defensive effort only under the right circumstances… well, he’ll fit right in!

  16. ruruland

    flossy: Do you think his defense is related to effort/the quality of his team, or has something about Jared Dudley changed so that he can’t or won’t defend?

    If he really cannot guard anyone I don’t see the point, but if he’s the kind of player who puts in the defensive effort only under the right circumstances… well, he’ll fit right in!

    I’d have to watch his clips. I just remember he was a darn good individual defender in Charlotte and at times with that ’09 WCF Suns team.

  17. ruruland

    Frank:
    Honestly- Shumpert plus someone like Novak for Dudley plus filler and a top 5-8 protected first is good enough for me. Dudley’s a good player, and having a near lottery pick plus our own pick sets us up nicely for the post big 3 era. I love Shumpert but that’s not bad return.

    Not saying I would make that deal but i wouldn’t be too upset. I overall don’t like the idea of trading assets at the bottom of their trade value so I wouldn’t do it myself- but it wouldn’t be too terrible.

    Post big 3 era? I think that’s going to be awhile. The idea is just to continue to make good decisions, one at a time.

    Like you mentioned, trading Shump is selling extremely low.

    Look at how much he’s improved his spot-up shot since returning.

    His timing, confidence and rhythm aren’t there yet, but when they come he’ll be leaps and bounds better than he was last season.

    His first step and explosion to the basket look great.

  18. MJG1789

    Trading Shump for Dudley is batshit insane. Watch Dudley play a couple of games. He is a decent spot-up shooter but not better than Novak, and he is *maybe* marginally better than Novak at defense. Jesus, give the kid a chance before trading him for slop.

  19. jon abbey

    yeah, Shumpert has been pretty terrible since coming back so far, but dumping him now for Dudley is ridiculous.

  20. Frank

    To be fair- it’s not just dumping Shumpert for Dudley in the above scenario- it’s moving Shumpert for Dudley (who makes less than Novak) and a late lottery pick who will himself be under a rooke contract until 2017 or something.

    Anyway- I wouldn’t do it but I wouldn’t be too upset f that’s how it shakes out.

  21. Owen

    I’d dump Shump for Dudley and a draft pick in a second…..

    That was a pretty inspiring end to the game by Melo. Although the rest of the game was horrible. Just horrible.

    The Wolves gave that game away, which is what bad teams do. They could be interesting next year though, with Love, Pekovic, Kirilenko, and Rubio and the other assorted spare parts. Playoff material perhaps, maybe even a dangerous first round draw.

  22. Z-man

    I don’t make that deal, Dudley does not put us over the top or give us cap relief; we also are thin at guard right now in terms of guys that can “potentially” slow down fleet opposing guards. Shump is part of that mix. Dudley is just a spare part in the SG-SF mix, he adds pretty much nothing.

    On the other hand, if we could swing a deal involving anyone other than Shump, I would be all for it (any of Novak, Brewer, Camby, White, Cope, Kurt, plus maybe a second-round pick).

  23. Frank

    Right- look at it this way- say Phx gives us the worse of their two picks (LAL) and it comes out to be #12. Then we pick trey Burke. Does Burke plus Dudley sound better?

  24. johnno

    On a somewhat related topic, does anyone else think that it’s kind of strange how all of the pundits are talking about how great the Bulls are going to be as soon as Derrick Rose gets back? Why does anyone assume that he is immediately going to be the quick as lightning athletic freak that he was before suffering the exact same injury that Shumpert had?

  25. jon abbey

    Owen:
    Let’s take Oladipo instead….

    funny, I barely watch/pay attention to college hoops before the NCAAs, but I had my eye on this freakish athlete also…

    Frank, I get your point, but this team has a rapidly closing window.

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