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Friday, October 31, 2014

Knickerblogger’s Top 25 Favorite Knicks of the Modern Era

Welcome to Knickerblogger’s Top 25 Favorite Knicks of the Modern Era poll!

I’ve been doing this bit for a few years now on my comic book blog (here‘s the latest) and I talked to Mike and he agreed that it would be fun to do one of these polls for Knickerblogger!

So it’s time to vote for your top ten favorite New York Knick players of the Modern Era (from 1979-80 until now, also known as “The 3-Point Era,” as that’s when the NBA adopted the three ball).

Here’s the deal. You folks all vote in the comments section here up until 11:59 PM Eastern time, December 14th. I’ll tabulate all the votes and I’ll begin a countdown of the winners starting December 15th! Who is more popular – John Starks or Allan Houston? Charles Oakley or Bernard King? Charlie Ward or Mark Jackson? Stephon Marbury or Marcus Camby? You’ll find out here!

Sound good?

Okay, here are the guidelines!

1. Vote in the comments section below, making sure to include the following codeword with your comment – KBTOP25. This codeword will make your post invisible to other posters (it will appear to you as though it is “awaiting moderation” – don’t worry, that’s what should happen). This is to allow for a secret ballot, so that the results will be a surprise!

2. You’re going to be voting for ten players in total here. Your ten favorite Knick players since 1980. Vote for TEN – less than ten players and I will not count your ballot.

To help jog your memory about who we’re talking about, Mike nicely made a couple of lists (using Basketball Reference’s player season finder) of notable Knicks. Here are all Knicks since 1979-80 ranked by PER. Here they are ranked by TS%. I added one here where they are ranked by Win Shares.

3. Rank your ten favorite players from #1 (your most favorite) to #10 (your 10th most favorite). I’d prefer it if you actually numbered your entry, #1-10. It’s easier for me to count.

4. Your top choice will be given 10 points, your second choice 9, etc.

5. Make sure to include KBTOP25 in your ballot. People often forget.

6. The criteria for picking players is just “your favorites.” So don’t worry about picking the best players, just pick your ten favorite players.

7. Include KBTOP25 on your ballot. I know it sounds silly to repeat this twice, but if I don’t do so, people will forget.

8. I’ll make various other decisions in the interest of fairness.

If you have questions and or requests for clarification, feel free to ask them in the comments section below.

Remember, please include the following codeword: KBTOP25 – on your ballot.

Most importantly, have fun!

Now vote!

29 comments on “Knickerblogger’s Top 25 Favorite Knicks of the Modern Era

  1. Mike Kurylo

    KBTOP25

    OK it seems that if you’re a writer, you’re comment doesn’t get moderated. So KB writers, don’t post it here. I’ll give you another method.

  2. Frank O.

    BTW,
    One of the things the Heat are dealing with is the fact that most of their guys haven’t played together. I think it is instructive, given the Knicks have a similar challenge. Yet, I think the Knicks are handling their situation fairly well, when you compare the talent of the two teams.

    Clearly the Heat’s big three are better than the Knicks big three, but the Knicks, I think, are better when comparing the next 12.

  3. Thomas B.

    KBTOP 25

    Good thing its a secret ballot, otherwise people would know I’m voting for Greg Anthony’s shirt from the brawl years ago.

  4. Nick C.

    Thomas B.

    based on that win??? I seem to recall an epic double or triple OT win or even wins over Phoenix and Dallas back under the previous GMs regime, that led to nothing. Very strange tho he does put stock in the road record as a definitive sign of quality.

  5. Frank O.

    Thomas B.: Seriously?http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=parker_rob&id=5860891  (Quote)

    There are signs that the Knicks are feasting on the weak as they should be. If they can do that, and steal some games from the good teams, this could be a strong year.
    I think taking a home and home from the Bobcats was what made me think we might have something. Good or bad, it takes something to take a home and home.
    But most of the arguments Rob makes in that story could be turned around to show weakness…

    If I’m a fan, I’m thinking playoffs.
    If I’m a columnist, I hold back on a story like that.
    FWIW

  6. Thomas B.

    Frank O.

    I’m with you. I sit on that story for a minute. At least until the SOS improves a bit. Yes the team is above. 500 on the road, but those have been against some very bad teams. As I recall, we had some bad Ls to teams on the road (Rockets, Bucks, T-wolves). I’m happy to see the team win games for sure, but I want to see the record in January a month in which the team could go 5-10 and be lucky to get that 5. January is simply brutal.

  7. villainx

    Mike Kurylo: Why I think Brooklyn-ites should remain Knick fans, even after the Nets move.http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/33/48/all_opedknicks_2010_11_26_bk.html  

    Interesting article/opinion piece. The most interesting thing for me, not having attended the meet up, your pic!

    Even though I’m a Knick fan, I have a lot of sympathy for all NY area teams, and that applies to the Nets too. Much better if both teams are good, than say big brother little brother thing that’s been going (or say like Lakers and Clippers).

  8. BigBlueAL

    Thomas B.: KBTOP 25Good thing its a secret ballot, otherwise people would know I’m voting for Greg Anthony’s shirt from the brawl years ago.  

    Greg Anthony would be on my least favorite Knicks Top 10. lol

  9. Frank O.

    villainx: Interesting article/opinion piece. The most interesting thing for me, not having attended the meet up, your pic!Even though I’m a Knick fan, I have a lot of sympathy for all NY area teams, and that applies to the Nets too. Much better if both teams are good, than say big brother little brother thing that’s been going (or say like Lakers and Clippers).  (Quote)

    Ditto on the picture. In the four years or so I’ve been a member that’s the first I’ve seen of your mug. :)
    I’m far more likely to see Pringles Guy when I think of Mike. :)

  10. Frank O.

    That’s it!
    You guys really did it. Ted Nelson hasn’t posted in days.
    I can see him at his table, hands poised over the keyboard, sweating and shaking as he resists the temptation to set the record straight on some numbskull assertion by, well, me, or the other Frank, or any number of others. :)

    Come on, Ted! Shake it off! :)

  11. bockadoo

    My first post. Go easy on me boys. Age 49 – no, I’m not ashamed to admit that. Used to keep track of Clyde’s stats every year. Listened to his games on WINE from Cleveland when he went to the Cavs. Was barely audible, just good enough – went in and out (from Poughkeepsie). Loved it when he got the best of JoJo White, Phil Chenier, Randy Smith, Phil Smith (GS), Mike Newlin, etc… It’s between Bernard and Michael Ray as far as favorite Knick outside of Frazier. Used to like Ticky Burden, Mo Layton, Joe C. Meriwether, Ken Bannister, Sly Williams…Will never forgive Starks. Houston over Sprewell. Loved Ewing because he worked so hard. Recent times have been ridiculous. Will this be another year where we play decent until the end of the year, suck us in, then 10-40 the rest of the way? As far as this team goes, I don’t understand why Mozgov doesn’t rebound more, he should be a beast. Felton has heart, Amare looks like a leader, Gallo will be fine – 20 ppg, Chandler is a good 6th man, Fields looks like Grant Hill lite, TD is a good combo guard off the bench, Turiaf is Oakley lite, Azu will be a nice addition, AR has potential. I think it’s our best team in years – young, more balanced, with financial flexibility. I can actually watch the games now without that feeling of dread. Great future. Hope we sneak into the playoffs. Good article about “Melo by Vecsey in the Post. Tough choice whether or not to get him. Amare isn’t enough in crunch time against good teams, and Gallo/Chandler aren’t consistent enough yet.

  12. BigBlueAL

    On Twitter someone said that they would rather be a fan of the current 9-9 Knicks than be a fan of a 14-4 Knicks team if they had signed Lebron because they wouldnt be fun to root for since they would be hated by everyone apparently.

    I said I dont care if they are the most hated, boring team in the NBA if they were 14-4 I would take that any day. I joked that I used to root and love a team like that before and it was the 1994 Knicks. I then looked up their record because I was curious and wouldnt you know it the 1993-94 Knicks started 14-4. lol

  13. latke

    BigBlueAL: On Twitter someone said that they would rather be a fan of the current 9-9 Knicks than be a fan of a 14-4 Knicks team if they had signed Lebron because they wouldnt be fun to root for since they would be hated by everyone apparently.I said I dont care if they are the most hated, boring team in the NBA if they were 14-4 I would take that any day.I joked that I used to root and love a team like that before and it was the 1994 Knicks.I then looked up their record because I was curious and wouldnt you know it the 1993-94 Knicks started 14-4.lol  

    James is a dick. I’m with the twitterer. The 1994 knicks were a blue collar team. They played as hard as anyone and didn’t seek out attention or demand to be babied.

  14. Spree8nyk8

    I’m the opposite, all I care about is heart. I want a knicks team that bleeds blue and orange. Those 90’s Knicks teams you knew that all of those players would have given a kidney to bring the title home. I’ll love those teams till the day I die, and I don’t care that they didn’t bring the title home. I wish they had more than anything because I think they deserved it. But if any team can say they left everything out on the court I think it was those teams.

  15. drm1977

    Congrats on a topic that pulls the lurkers in. Love the dialogue on the board, with the stats slant. Still trying to get used to rooting for a Knicks team that can’t always get a stop when they need it.

  16. rama

    Spree8nyk8: I’m the opposite, all I care about is heart. I want a knicks team that bleeds blue and orange. Those 90?s Knicks teams you knew that all of those players would have given a kidney to bring the title home. I’ll love those teams till the day I die, and I don’t care that they didn’t bring the title home. I wish they had more than anything because I think they deserved it. But if any team can say they left everything out on the court I think it was those teams.  (Quote)

    Amen.

    Though…I think we could handle a ratio of maybe, say, 70% heart players, and 30% supertalented assholes. It’d be impossible for me to root for the Heat nucleus (100% ass), but if we had LeBron, I would’ve been totally OK with that!

    It’s like the Yankees: even the haters would have to concede that those late 90s teams were pretty hard to root against – mostly home-grown talent, with a few hired guns thrown in. But add A-Rod, Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, et alia…those teams were hard to root for even for Yankees fans.

  17. Brian Cronin

    People around the league hated the Riley-era Knicks.

    Lots of fans did feel as though those Knicks tried to draw attention to themselves with their over-the-top fighter’s mentality (similar to another hated team, the “Bad Boys” of the Detroit Pistons).

    I sure didn’t mind it then, and I wouldn’t mind it with Lebron James on the team (also, I don’t think they would hate him, certainly not the way they hate him on the Heat).

  18. d-mar

    @25 I think one of the reasons the Knicks were disliked was the semi-ugly brand of b-ball they played, and final playoff scores like 78-75. As much as we loved those old Knick-Heat rivalries, as an outsider I could understand not being enamored with the style of play.

  19. Frank O.

    latke:
    James is a dick.I’m with the twitterer.The 1994 knicks were a blue collar team.They played as hard as anyone and didn’t seek out attention or demand to be babied.  

    Just a pet peeve, but that team had a lot of millionaires and everyone on that team was in the top 2 percent of earners in the United States. I’m certain “blue collar” doesn’t match their lifestyle or training style.
    Certainly they worked hard, but they live the lives of thoroughbreads, with multiple coaches, cooks, drivers, massage therapists, state-of-the-art work out equipment, brand new shoes for every game, trainers, doctors, whirlpools, saunas, steam rooms, and fresh towels every single time they wipe off a bead of sweat.
    And when they go home to their 3000 to 12,000 square foot pads, entertainment systems, leather everything, in their mercedes, and greeted by their super-model-quality or strip-joint-quality wives, to take their afternoon nap or their four month long off season, they’re not eating out of a lunch pails.
    Again, just a pet peeve. But these guys have been blessed with physical and mental attributes.
    I’m not the kind of guy to lionize working class people. My people are working class, but I’ve become white collar.
    My point only is that the classification “blue collar” has become a cliche’ that really doesn’t apply.
    *breath*
    Apologies. :)

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