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Saturday, October 25, 2014

Knickerblogger on HuffPo Live: A Linsanity Debate

So, a few days ago Marc Lamont Hill published an article about Jeremy Lin that I differed with. As a result, I made some fairly, incendiary 3AM tweets, offered to write a rebuttal for the Huffington Post, and somehow this resulted in my appearance this afternoon on a HuffPo Live Debate with Mr. Hill and a few other peeps.

You can watch it here: Robert Talks About Jeremy Lin, gets all kinds of madz

(Yes, I need to learn to look directly into the camera. And maybe stop twitching/gesticulating wildly. I just hope I didn’t look fat. Did I look fat? DidIlookfat? DIDILOOFA!!!!!)

57 comments on “Knickerblogger on HuffPo Live: A Linsanity Debate

  1. jon abbey

    DRed:
    How can we get huffpo to host a Jon Abbey Cockjowles debate?

    heh, that’ll be right after the argument about whether people need oxygen or nitrogen to breathe. :)

  2. max fisher-cohen

    you did your best. If you’d known he was just going to repeat the same two things over and over again about his outside shooting this season, you could have come in with some bad streaks from other players. How about Anthony’s terrible performance for the month after Linsanity? Or Stoudemire’s entire season last year? I’m also surprised the on/off ball performance thing wasn’t brought up with the offense starting with Harden so often.

  3. jon abbey

    I couldn’t get very far on this video, but Jeremy Lin isn’t good. maybe not everyone is willing to admit that yet, but I’ll be stunned if he’s ever a top 15 PG.

  4. DS

    Also could not get the video. Jeremy Lin will soon enough be a Laker if Houston decides he’s not worth the money…

    … my real reason for posting, though, is I was hoping someone could briefly describe (or point me to a previous article that show) why Chandler and STAT are such a bad mix. I’m not saying the results haven’t been clear but I would love to hear from someone about the “X’s and O’s.”

  5. Nick C.

    Um can we just leave the whole topic alone and agree to disagree and let reality play out for itself.

  6. DS

    Not sure if you’re talking to me Nick or talking about Lin. I haven’t been around for a couple weeks. Has the front court been discussed widely here?

  7. DS

    In any event, I’m not advocating for one side or the other. I would just like to understand the specific argument of those who think Chandler/Amar’e don’t play well side-by-side.

  8. Z-man

    Nick C.: Um can we just leave the whole topic alone and agree to disagree and let reality play out for itself.

    Heh, and I haven’t even weighed in yet!

  9. jon abbey

    DS:
    my real reason for posting, though, is I was hoping someone could briefly describe (or point me to a previous article that show) why Chandler and STAT are such a bad mix.I’m not saying the results haven’t been clear but I would love to hear from someone about the “X’s and O’s.”

    the short version is that Chandler gets in Amar’e’s way on offense, Amar’e is at his best when he gets the ball away from the basket and the other four players are all on the perimeter and their men can’t leave them because they’re threats to hit an outside shot. obviously Chandler is no threat to hit an outside shot (despite being the best offensive player in the history of the world), so either he goes inside and gets in Amare’s way, or he stays outside and his man is free to double team Amar’e.

  10. Z-man

    Robert, I appreciate your loyalty, but you were the same way with Landry Fields.

    Lin is shooting at woefully bad levels right now. He’s hardly getting to the line, which was a huge part of his success. He’s certainly not injured enough to use it as an excuse. And doing things that nobody else has done for a handful of games during a strike-plagued year says zero about his current and future place in the league. Again, see: Landry Fields.

    NBA success is about adjustments and counter-adjustments. Bill Russell said that preparing to defend a player involves 1. not letting him do what he likes doing and 2. making him do what he doesn’t like doing. Coaches have now studied and adjusted to Lin’s game: forcing him left, not fouling him on the drive, daring him to shoot from the perimeter, etc. So far, he clearly hasn’t adjusted back, and most of the numbers we value here indicate this:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&qual=&c1stat=ast_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=6&c2stat=per&c2comp=gt&c2val=5&c3stat=ws_per_48&c3comp=gt&c3val=-.500&c4stat=gs&c4comp=gt&c4val=5&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=efg_pct

    No matter how you sort this…WS/48, eFG%, APG, PER… Lin gravitates towards the bottom. He’s a good rebounder and FT shooter and that’s it. The very average Raymond Felton, with his whopping WS/48 of .103, is outplaying him in nearly every other relevant category. Does he need more time to adjust? Well, he didn’t need any time to adjust during Linsanity, he stepped right in with a bunch of scrubs and torched the opposition for a baker’s dozen games. Now he’s MORE experienced, so why can’t he pick up where he left off? What’s stopping…

  11. Nick C.

    Z-man: Heh, and I haven’t even weighed in yet!

    you got me there. I guess this board is just like that. How long did extended posts go back and forth last year(s) on Gallo and the Knuggets and the trade. Before that it may have bben Balkman.

  12. d-mar

    Wow, Popovich resting Duncan, Parker and Ginoboli vs. Heat.

    Apparently, he didn’t get the memo that there are only 2 NBA games tonight and both are on national television

  13. stratomatic

    I think there’s substantial evidence that certain players benefit significantly from playing inside D’Antoni’s system (note: after the Melo trade the team was no longer actually constructed to play his system, but when Melo was out, there were periods when certain combinations of players were)

    Guys like Amare, Lee, Fields, Lin, Douglas, Chandler, Shawne Williams, Novak, and even Gallo (among others) do better when the game is uptempo, the floor is spaced, the dominant play is the P&R with occasional kick out passes for open 3s, and the coach tries to create mismatches on offense by playing players out of position (Lee at C, Chander at SG or PF but rarely SF, Amare at C etc..). There are downsides to all this (especially on defense), but guys are not going to get the same looks in the slower, half court, post up etc… offense many other coaches use compared to what they get with D’Antoni.

  14. thenamestsam

    I mean on the one hand it’s good sense by Pop. Decent chance it’s an L anyway, rest his old guys, give him a chance to trial by fire some of his bench guys.

    On the other hand, it totally screws the league. If every team did this it would basically destroy regular season basketball. And if I had a ticket to tonight’s game I’d be seriously pissed. Hell, I’m annoyed anyway. 2 games tonight and now 1 is basically ruined. TNT must be pretty peeved too, it’ll be interesting to see how the Spurs would react if TNT stopped scheduling them into the nationally televised games because of crap like this.

  15. Z-man

    Nick C.: you got me there.I guess this board is just like that. How long did extended posts go back and forth last year(s) on Gallo and the Knuggets and the trade. Before that it may have bben Balkman.

    When I first got on this board a few years ago, the “potential” debate was about Trevor Ariza (will he learn to shoot better?). After that, Lee, Nate, Gallo, Chandler, Duhon, (he was very good for about 20 games, Balkman, Mozgov, Anthony Randolph, Felton, Fields, Shump (the debate still lurks with some) and finally Lin. No one made the timely impact or touched people’s hearts like Lin did, so I think this debate will go on for a while. I like these debates and have fun taking a stand and defending it, then seeing how things play out. And I think I’ve become much better at it than I was because of the education I’ve received via the posters here.

  16. daJudge

    Pop owes allegiance only to his team. Other concerns would be misplaced, IMO. It’s kind of an interesting issue though. It’s really easy when you’re on the outside to argue that an NBA coach should not bow to League pressure. Being on the inside is not so easy. Good for Pop.

  17. Thomas B.

    I’d like to extend to Marc Lamont an invitation to write for Knickerblogger.net. My God, he is the smartest person I think I’ve ever known. It is exactly what I’ve been telling the Linites. Lin is overrated! Waaaaaaaay overrated.

  18. d-mar

    daJudge:
    Pop owes allegiance only to his team.Other concerns would be misplaced, IMO.It’s kind of an interesting issue though.It’s really easy when you’re on the outside to argue that an NBA coach should not bow to League pressure.Being on the inside is not so easy.Good for Pop.

    I have a lot of respect for Pop, but personally, I think it’s a pretty douchey move. He and his players are paid extraordinary amounts of money in large part due to TV revenues; I think he owes it to the NBA and its fans to put his best team out there to face the champs on national television.

  19. Manh George

    Asd far as Lin is concerned, aside from his current mediocrity, I am not at all convinced that he can play the type of ball he plays for close to minutes a game without wearing down. He takes a beating whenever he drives, he drives a lot, and my guess is he will look a lot worse in 40 games than he does now. How he looks during the first quarter of the season isn’t a particularly good measure of how he will look over the arc of an entire season.

  20. Juany8

    I’ve probably watched more Rockets games than most people on this board, and the simple fact is that Jeremy Lin is a crap scorer. He’s actually gotten pretty good at passing and running an offense, but that doesn’t help that much when Harden is initiating the offense a good portion of the game. Lin can’t shoot so he’s not a good off-ball player, isn’t quite big and athletic enough to be a serious cutting threat (most point guards aren’t, Lin isn’t Westbrook lol)

    Now while the solution might seem to be to put Lin in more pick and rolls and play Harden a bit more off the ball, especially since Harden is fucking amazing off the ball, the simple fact is that Lin’s little pet moves in the paint that looked mildly impossible…. did turn out to be impossible. That is all GONE, and he no longer draws fouls. All the things that seemed a little too good to be true last year turned out badly now.

    As far as defense, Lin’s man to man defense has gotten a lot better, and he is still pretty damn smart when it comes to swooping in for steals. He’s awful at pick and roll defense though. I know most people try to make the excuse that most point guards get blown by anyways. but when they just hammer into screens as badly as Lin does, the opposing point guard gets to pretty much do whatever with the ball. Since a Harden dominant attack would benefit more from a PG who can hit 3’s and get around screens defensively, Toney freaking Douglas has finished some games over Lin already. No, he has not in any way actually gotten better since last year, for a coach to even CONTEMPLATE playing Douglas over you means something is majorly wrong. I do think Lin can get better and get good enough to at least be an average PG, but it seems funny that so many people were convinced he was going to be a top 10 pg. I’m not even sure he’s going to be that good an asset considering how many front offices seem to want to see him fail to validate their choices

  21. daJudge

    d-mar-that’s why I think this issue is interesting. Your point is certainly fair, but it implies that he owes a split loyalty, which I personally have a problem with in general. The argument can be extended to the tanking scenario, e.g., sucking for Luck in NFL, which does annoy me. I do think a team should certainly not tank, but resting starters is a different concept. Also, if Pop believes that the League did him a shitty regarding the schedule, why would he want to reward its behavior, which he deems anathema to his team’s success? In the NFL, if my Giants have a so-called national game against say the Cowboys, but Coach thought it would be better to rest Eli, I would totally support that move for whatever reason. If Coach thought resting Eli would lead to a better schedule for the G Men next year and would not hurt them this year, I would totally support the move as being in the team’s best interest. So I guess my view has to be that the Coach owes an allegiance only to his team and his team’s fans and no one else. If you deviate from this position, it can lead to really ethically funky results. I’m taking a hard line on this, but d-mar I respect your view as well.

    Robert-I watched the debate. I don’t think you got a chance to set forth your position, but aren’t the positions really the same since either interpretation relies on a very small sample. As such, either conclusion is perhaps lacking in merit. Also, you didn’t look fat at all, you looked good. However, I would seriously consider that eye surgery or, at least, new smaller glasses. Wow, IMHO, they look terrible. You could get the Many Patinkin thing going, no shit.

  22. thenamestsam

    d-mar: I have a lot of respect for Pop, but personally, I think it’s a pretty douchey move. He and his players are paid extraordinary amounts of money in large part due to TV revenues; I think he owes it to the NBA and its fans to put his best team out there to face the champs on national television.

    Yeah, I think this is right. His team isn’t actually it’s own entity in the sense that a normal business is. In the NBA the teams can’t exist without the league, so while Pop’s first allegiance is to his team I do think he owes an allegiance to the league as well. And this particular move seems worse for the league than it is good for his own team.

  23. jon abbey

    man, I hope the Spurs win and Popovich is interviewed after, looks straight into the camera and says ‘fuck you, David Stern, sanction that” and walks away.

  24. massive

    Did that guy really say PER is one of the best indicators of how good a player is? He lost every ounce of credibility he had. He starts off by saying Jeremy Lin can’t play, and that he isn’t a starter. Then he calls him average and bottom tier, which is a contradiction in of itself. I feel sorry for you for having to go through that. Living in Brooklyn, I go through arguments like that all of the time and it really hurts my soul.

  25. cgreene

    I wouldnt be the least bit surprised of Pop gets a long suspension for this in the neighborhood of 5 games minimum. And, frankly, he deserves it. There was a much more subtle way to handle this. He completely bit the dog that feeds him. Fans and TV pay his and his players’ salaries. Period. You want to rest your guys? Fine. Bring them. Start them. Play them 25 staggered minutes. Be done. But the blatantly send them home in a national TV game is completely unacceptable to fans. @18 has it right.

  26. massive

    I have to question coaching on the Lin/Harden dynamic. If Lin is not a good off-ball player, why would you play him off ball for a decent amount of time? That’s stupid, especially when James Harden is much better shooting the ball and driving against rotation. Teams will give Jeremy Lin much less defensive pressure than they will James Harden, so why not allow Jeremy Lin to penetrate into the lane and then pass the ball to Harden? Doc Rivers wouldn’t move Rajon Rondo off the ball so James Harden could create, would he? We all saw how bad the Knicks did when D’Antoni tried to turn Melo into a play-maker, so why is it okay to try to make Jeremy Lin into an off-ball scorer?

    It is by no means acceptable for Jeremy Lin to be playing this bad, but when the coaching staff misuses a player, you can’t put it entirely on Lin.

  27. jon abbey

    cgreene:
    I wouldnt be the least bit surprised of Pop gets a long suspension for this in the neighborhood of 5 games minimum.And, frankly, he deserves it.There was a much more subtle way to handle this.He completely bit the dog that feeds him.Fans and TV pay his and his players’ salaries.Period.You want to rest your guys?Fine.Bring them.Start them.Play them 25 staggered minutes.Be done.But the blatantly send them home in a national TV game is completely unacceptable to fans.@18 has it right.

    totally disagree, his job is to maximize the performance of his team and he does that year in and year out, and he’s done exactly this before. Stern doesn’t like it being pointed out to a national audience that the season is way too long, but tough. if SA is actually punished, it will be a bigger travesty than Stern vetoing the Paul to the Lakers deal.

    game’s still tied, I have never ever rooted for the Spurs this hard.

  28. massive

    I’m rooting for the Spurs for a couple of reasons:

    1) I hate Dwyane Wade.
    2) I want to believe that Miami is vulnerable to ball-movement.
    3) I want to believe that a team lacking eye test superstars (Splitter, Bonner, Diaw, and Blair are good WP/48 players) can compete without a Westbrook-esque usage guy.
    4) I want to believe the Knicks have a shot at the #1 seed in the conference.

  29. Will the Thrill

    So frustrating watching a team give 50% all game and win it in the last 2 minutes again and again. Well, Lebron at 75% is probably still the best player in the NBA lol.

  30. jon abbey

    that was like a 1/16 or a 2/15 game in the NCAAs, those usually end up with the higher seed pulling it out at the end too, sadly.

    still a pretty solid fuck you to Stern, though, although maybe he gets the last laugh since probably more people ended up watching/caring than if they’d played at full strength…

  31. Z-man

    massive:
    I have to question coaching on the Lin/Harden dynamic. If Lin is not a good off-ball player, why would you play him off ball for a decent amount of time? That’s stupid, especially when James Harden is much better shooting the ball and driving against rotation. Teams will give Jeremy Lin much less defensive pressure than they will James Harden, so why not allow Jeremy Lin to penetrate into the lane and then pass the ball to Harden? Doc Rivers wouldn’t move Rajon Rondo off the ball so James Harden could create, would he? We all saw how bad the Knicks did when D’Antoni tried to turn Melo into a play-maker, so why is it okay to try to make Jeremy Lin into an off-ball scorer?

    It is by no means acceptable for Jeremy Lin to be playing this bad, but when the coaching staff misuses a player, you can’t put it entirely on Lin.

    So in the spirit of fairness, when Felton plays poorly, will you blame his coach or teammates? How long are you, RS, and others going to make excuses for Lin? Why shouldn’t his play be subject to the same scrutiny as every other PG in the league?

  32. mokers

    I’m not a huge Lin fan, but I think you can put some of his struggles on the coaching staff. That being said, Lin is playing atrociously right now. Many people like to use the Linsanity run as evidence of his potential, but you also have to take into account his current start of the season. PER may be a terrible way to judge Lin, but his TS and eFG can also tell you that he isn’t doing so well. The reality is somewhere in between, but the longer he plays at this current level, the more ridiculous people who fall back on Linsanity numbers are going to sound. I hope Lin does well, you know he will put in the work, but if the coaches think Tony Douglas is an upgrade during crutch time, he is currently a long way off.

  33. Brian Cronin

    I don’t think it’s too fair to rip the Houston coaches for playing Lin off the ball. Is it a dumb idea? Of course it is (just like it was a dumb idea when they did the same thing in Golden State and got the same poor results), but what are they supposed to do? They added a guy in James Harden who is a much better player and is also really good playing with the ball. So come on, if the choice is between Lin running the team and Harden running the team, you take Harden every time. I can’t even say “too bad for Lin,” because dude’s got a starting job and averages $8 million a year in salary. He can live with being put into a bad position.

  34. Brian Cronin

    Two former Knicks doing battle in the fourth quarter in the late TNT game! David Lee is 12/14 for 29 points and Gallo has 20 points. David Lee is too old for the Warriors. They should trade him.

  35. BigBlueAL

    Im a bit more conflicted about the Yankees not matching the Pirates contract offer to Russell Martin than the Knicks not matching Lin’s offer sheet lol

  36. StatsTeacher

    Damn I wanted the SAS to pull that one out!

    Brian is right about the HOU coaching, it’s a little fucked up right now. Lin has been really hot and cold, but I would argue that the game vs Toronto earlier this week was full Linsanity level, 7-9 from the field 10 assists, it was a great game for him. OTOH the Portland game, where he got benched for Douglas. . . .ugh. Harden does some serious heroball, and that doesn’t work that often. The debate should be re-started at the ASB, lot more data by then.

  37. Brian Cronin

    Harden plays so many minutes that there’s only nine minutes when he is not on the court, so starting/coming off the bench shouldn’t really matter much. Although it is true that they should stagger their minutes better so those nine minutes that Harden is off the court don’t come with Lin off the court, as well (Lin is averaging 34 minutes himself).

  38. massive

    Z-man: So in the spirit of fairness, when Felton plays poorly, will you blame his coach or teammates? How long are you, RS, and others going to make excuses for Lin? Why shouldn’t his play be subject to the same scrutiny as every other PG in the league?

    My point isn’t that Jeremy Lin should be given a pass for playing terrible basketball. My point is that making Jeremy Lin play off-ball makes him worse. It is widely acknowledged that Steve Nash played poorly within the Princeton offense because it took away his strength as a play-maker. Why can’t I make the same argument for Jeremy Lin, who is best when initiating offense and not playing a catch-and-shoot role?

    I am only trying to say that Jeremy Lin’s dismal playing should not be placed entirely on him. The coaching should take some of the flak. If the Knicks’ coaching staff tried to turn Raymond Felton into a volume scoring guard like Derrick Rose, I would criticize them too.

  39. Robert Silverman Post author

    Thomas B.:
    I’d like to extend to Marc Lamont an invitation to write for Knickerblogger.net.My God, he is the smartest person I think I’ve ever known.It is exactly what I’ve been telling the Linites.Lin is overrated!Waaaaaaaay overrated.

    Are you kidding? His article was terribly written. And contradictory. No one’s saying that Lin’s playing well right now, but using a 15 game sample to invalidate a 26 game sample makes no sense. And saying that a big reason that Lin succeeded is because no one was defending him b/c they preferred to cover the Knicks other players is just plain ridiculous.

  40. jon abbey

    Brian Cronin:
    Harden plays so many minutes that there’s only nine minutes when he is not on the court, so starting/coming off the bench shouldn’t really matter much. Although it is true that they should stagger their minutes better so those nine minutes that Harden is off the court don’t come with Lin off the court, as well (Lin is averaging 34 minutes himself).

    Harden’s averaging 39 minutes? there’s something else Houston needs to fix, he can’t do that all year as the main guy and hold up.

  41. Thomas B.

    Robert Silverman: Are you kidding? His article was terribly written. And contradictory. No one’s saying that Lin’s playing well right now, but using a 15 game sample to invalidate a 26 game sample makes no sense. And saying that a big reason that Lin succeeded is because no one was defending him b/c they preferred to cover the Knicks other players is just plain ridiculous.

    I’m serious. I don’t want to be the worst writer here anymore. So I figure if we get Marc to come over…

  42. Z-man

    Robert Silverman: Are you kidding? His article was terribly written. And contradictory. No one’s saying that Lin’s playing well right now, but using a 15 game sample to invalidate a 26 game sample makes no sense. And saying that a big reason that Lin succeeded is because no one was defending him b/c they preferred to cover the Knicks other players is just plain ridiculous.

    All of these points are acccurate, although one could argue that he’s using a 27 game sample to invalidate a 14 game sample.

  43. Juany8

    massive: (Quote)

    massive:
    I have to question coaching on the Lin/Harden dynamic. If Lin is not a good off-ball player, why would you play him off ball for a decent amount of time? That’s stupid, especially when James Harden is much better shooting the ball and driving against rotation. Teams will give Jeremy Lin much less defensive pressure than they will James Harden, so why not allow Jeremy Lin to penetrate into the lane and then pass the ball to Harden? Doc Rivers wouldn’t move Rajon Rondo off the ball so James Harden could create, would he? We all saw how bad the Knicks did when D’Antoni tried to turn Melo into a play-maker, so why is it okay to try to make Jeremy Lin into an off-ball scorer?

    It is by no means acceptable for Jeremy Lin to be playing this bad, but when the coaching staff misuses a player, you can’t put it entirely on Lin.

    The Houston coaches are amongst the worst in the league, but think about what you’re asking for a sec. You’re telling the coaches of the Rockets to run pick and rolls with Lin instead of Harden. I don’t care how good Linsanity was, Harden is going to become the best overall pick and roll guard in the league one day. It’s actually a little similar to the little argument between Chandler and Amar’e, in that you can’t be running the pick and roll with him at the same time. Now Amar’e is better than Chandler, but Chandler is still an incredible pick and roll player so he gets put outside. Lin IS NOT a great pick and roll player, playing pick and roll all the time would simply make him a competent player. There is not a huge difference to running the pick and roll with either Stoudemire and Chandler, there is a gulf of difference between running it with Harden or Lin

  44. JC Knickfan

    Juany8:
    The Houston coaches are amongst the worst in the league, but think about what you’re asking for a sec. You’re telling the coaches of the Rockets to run pick and rolls with Lin instead of Harden. I don’t care how good Linsanity was, Harden is going to become the best overall pick and roll guard in the league one day. It’s actually a little similar to the little argument between Chandler and Amar’e, in that you can’t be running the pick and roll with him at the same time. Now Amar’e is better than Chandler, but Chandler is still an incredible pick and roll player so he gets put outside. Lin IS NOT a great pick and roll player, playing pick and roll all the time would simply make him a competent player. There is not a huge difference to running the pick and roll with either Stoudemire and Chandler, there is a gulf of difference between running it with Harden or Lin

    Since your Houston fan, doesn’t every team have second option? How can Harden run the offense every play? Let be realistic there should be enough 2nd fiddle opportunities for Lin. Looking at Knicks where Melo averages almost 20 FGA out total 81 FGA per game. That 25% offense, but there 75% that’s divided by rest of team. Heck our 2nd fiddle Felton average 14.3 FGA which 17.6% of attempts.

    I look at stat in OKC game Lin was 3-7 in 41 minutes of play, but Daequan Cook was 7-17 in 38 minutes.
    I understand he shooting horrible with TS% = 0.456, but he was coming off a good game. You figure with Parson out that he be given more chances, but instead the shots went to Cook. So Juany8 what happen, they didn’t run any PNR for Lin? He did play freakin 41 minutes.

  45. Brian Cronin

    Harden’s averaging 39 minutes? there’s something else Houston needs to fix, he can’t do that all year as the main guy and hold up.

    And Parsons averages 38 minutes a game! They clearly lean on their “Big Four” too much, but their bench is really, really, really bad, so it is hard to blame them too much.

  46. Z-man

    Juany8: The Houston coaches are amongst the worst in the league

    Really? Should their record be better than it is? If it weren’t the future HOFer if he is coached properly Jeremy Lin in the spotlight, would we be talking about this?

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