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Thursday, July 31, 2014

Indexed: Knick Fans 2008-2010

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Knick Fans 2008-2010

69 comments on “Indexed: Knick Fans 2008-2010

  1. TDM

    KB:

    It’s seems like the above graph should look like an inverted bell curve, with an improving cap situation decreasing hope in the short term, with the long term goal of increasing hope at the expense of the cap situation. I guess if, for example, jettisoning Zach would improve hope and cap flexibility, the above graph would be a straight 45 degree line. I think I just pulled a muscle in my brain . . .

    More Zach to Memphis rumors:

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9861

  2. holzmans ghost

    My only correction would be to plot both the x and y axes in negative space. I think we are below zero for both coordinates.

  3. John

    As an admitted sixer fan i’d like to think that the hope will turn out to be what i hope it truly is…delusion.

    History indicates that clearing your cap space “a couple years out” for a superstar just doesn’t work out…there’s too much money to be made with the ‘current’ team due to the current CBA to jump ship in terms of years, base salary and raise…and the whole ‘new york’ is the center of the universe thing doesn’t hold water any more, you can be a superstar, a global super star, in any city in the world, it’s a flat world, and lebron james will never wear a knicks uniform during an nba game

  4. DS

    I’ve heard Nike will actually pay LeBron more if he plays in a larger market.

    Remember Shaq to L.A.??

  5. retropkid

    the graph should start earlier, showing HOPE dropping like a stone when Zeke was hired….a graph about the Knicks that doesn’t show “HOPELESS” is missing a few data points….

  6. Ted Nelson

    John,

    As a Sixers fan, you’ve just watched your team use its salary cap to sign Elton Brand–who few thought would be leaving the Clippers, especially after the Baron Davis signing–to a huge contract…

    Was that a delusion?

  7. Ignarus

    Don’t worry about the Knicks needing to get a superstar with their cap space. It’s just a simple matter of making it POSSIBLE to sign ANYONE that’s decent. Odds are, they’ll need to get good people in the draft and develop their young talent. It’s also an advantage to play a style that few other teams replicate because the free agents that fit your style may not have a lot of competition to drive their prices up. Who knows, he might squeeze some extra productivity out of this group of guys. D’Antoni simply CAN’T do worse than LB or Thomas…

  8. Brian Cronin

    I would agree that emptying cap room to sign big name free agents is usually a delusion, but not in the case of big-name cities.

    The last time New York had cap room of any kind, they signed the second biggest free agent on the market.

    When Los Angeles last had major cap room, they signed the biggest free agent perhaps, well, ever?

  9. TDM

    “The last time New York had cap room of any kind, they signed the second biggest free agent on the market.”

    Brian, I’m guessing you are using the term “biggest” in a different manner than the way it is used to describe Big Snacks (e.g. he is the biggest fat *ss to draw an NBA salary, or he has the biggest appetite, or he was the biggest waste of the MLE).

    With regard to Hope as it relates to the Knicks, think of it this way: based on last season’s play, the Knicks have an entire roster filled with MIP candidates.

  10. Brian Cronin

    Hehe, yes, I mean the top free agent on the market.

    Note that I am excepting Jordan and Miller, who were “technically” free agents that year, from the list.

    Then it became:

    1. Shaquille O’Neal
    2. Allan Houston

  11. Mel

    the important question is when was the last time a superstar left his team for less money?

    the glamor of the big market is gone, its a global economy now.

  12. Brian Cronin

    Mel, that doesn’t follow when we know that Lebron specifically gets much much much more money from Nike if he does play for a big market team, more than making up for the disparity in his playing contract.

    And that’s just from one company – who is to say that he would not make a good deal more money from other companies as well?

    I think the only thing keeping Lebron in Cleveland is whether he feels it would tarnish his legacy (and whether any of the teams that could sign him at the time are any good).

    Shaq’s legacy sure didn’t get tarnished by abandoning Orlando, but the question of whether any of the teams that can sign him in 2010 are any good – that is a much different thing – and one that obviously we Knick fans hope is answered by “Yes, Lebron, the Knicks are an attractive team to come play for now.”

  13. Mel

    Brian …I think that was just specualtion like when Kobe was FA…I dont believe Lebron gets 1 more red cent for being a knick …and even if he did , why does he choose the knicks over the nets?

  14. Mel

    “Five years ago, the power was in the hands of the players and the agents. Agents like Aaron Goodwin, who structured LeBron’s Nike deal, made sure to get LeBron signed before the lottery so that a smaller market wouldn’t hinder his contract earning potential. (The persistent rumor that LeBron would have made more in New York is not true.) Carmelo was also signed with Nike before the draft.”

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/25330766

  15. Captain Merlin

    Brian …I think that was just specualtion like when Kobe was FA…I dont believe Lebron gets 1 more red cent for being a knick …and even if he did , why does he choose the knicks over the nets?

    Seeing how as of this very moment, the move to Brooklyn is sort of staggering along like a drunk at 3am, New Jersey does not look like a particularly viable option. Sure, he’s got his pal Jay-Z as a minority owner, but that can only help their cause so much if they stay in Jersey past his FA year. No player of his caliber and particularly of his fame and name is going to jump at the opportunity to play and practice in Jersey when New York–among other, numerable potentially viable options exist. Also, should the Nets actually complete their move to Brooklyn, I still doubt he would sign with them over New York, as that franchise lacks the same sort of history and mystique as the Knicks still maintain some semblance of even in these times. Unfortunately, I don’t see the Knicks even getting that far in the sweepstakes, as it is far likelier that they will manage to fuck all hope up just as the fans begin to smell it.

  16. mel

    captain merlin

    “I still doubt he would sign with them over New York, as that franchise lacks the same sort of history and mystique as the Knicks still maintain some semblance of even in these times. ”

    lebron james is 23, do you honestly think he cares about Knicks history ?

    what do you think matters more to him knicks history or rubbing elbows with Jay-Z?

    i doubt either will be effective really as i dont expect him to leave at all, in fact i expect him to recruit talent to his team, they’ll have big cap space too, to me its far more likely he’ll talk wade or bosh or some other big name like t-mac to the cavs than the knicks wooing him , and him taking a lesser team for less more than the team he is currently on which happens to be his hometown team.

  17. Captain Merlin

    Mel-I agree that LBJ leaving his hometown team seems rather unlikely, but were he to actually leave and have it down to the Nets and Knicks, I still believe he would choose the Knicks. Perhaps “historical mystique” is the wrong way to put it, but there’s some sort of innate draw that would give the Knicks the edge. However, this point is inconsequential, given the fact that neither is likely to grab him.

  18. jon abbey

    LeBron wants to be a “global icon” (self-proclaimed), and anyone who thinks that’s as likely to happen in Cleveland as it is in NY is kidding themselves. that plus the incessant Yankee hats plus the total inability of Cleveland management to surround him with any talent whatsoever makes me think that coming to NJ or NY is decidedly more than a pipe dream.

  19. Duff Soviet Union

    Don’t we always hear that big name star x is “going to want to play in New York”? And yet it never happens. Who was the last big free agent the Knicks got? Allan Houston? All this “countdown to LBJ” stuff just strikes as delusional, myopic daydreaming.

  20. Brian Cronin

    Stars do want to play in New York, New York just rarely ever has cap room.

    The only time in the entire history of NBA Free Agency (as we know it now, which is basically 1992 up and really, more like 1994 up) that the Knicks had significant cap room was in the Summer of 1995, where they went out and got the second-best available free agent out there, and had they not already had an All-Star center, they may very well have been a player for Shaquille O’Neal, although that is unlikely, as the LA Lakers are the New York Knicks, only better in every regard (more famous, better team, better team history and better climate).

    What was delusional daydreaming was all the times people would talk about a player forcing a trade to New York or taking the mid-level, etc. And all those times, if you came here, we’d explain that it would never happen.

    This, on the other hand, very well could.

    And as for the Kobe speculation being brought up earlier, how does that offseason factor into anything? Almost all the other teams that could have signed Kobe outright were much smaller markets than the Lakers, with the only big market being the city where Kobe was already playing!

    As for Lebron, by the by, guess what year his Nike contract expires? Just guess…

  21. jon abbey

    each NBA team has 41 home games a year, plus a handful of preseason games, plus on average a handful of playoff games (on a LeBron led squad, presumably more). that’s at least one night per week all year, 1/7 of a young man’s life, that he could be spending nights out in either Cleveland or New York. you make the call on that, not too hard for most people.

    not to mention, if he somehow won a title for a NY team {especially the Knicks), he’d be loved here forever, which is a pretty good stepping stone for the whole global icon thing.

  22. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    Free agents rarely do what makes sense from a fan’s perspective. It made a tiny bit of sense for Baron to leave a system entirely suitable to his talents. But it made no sense for Brand to leave once his team got a second superstar. It made no sense for Steve Nash to leave Dallas for an unproven Phoenix. How about Shaq in 1995? He had just went to an NBA Finals with his team, and left it. At the time it looked like Orlando was an NBA powerhouse, and the Lakers were a middle of the road team. It would be 4 seasons with Shaq before they went to the Finals again.

    If you believe the rumors about Elton Brand it shows that NBA free agents are ultimately human. They have preferences and feelings and many other human emotions that interfere with what we deem to be logical. Some people never leave their home town, others have a desire to leave at the first taste of the outside world. No one can sit inside LeBron James’ head and say what he’s going to do 2 years from now.

  23. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    Also how did this idea of cap space get whittled down to signing LeBron? There are a ton of reasons to get under the cap other than the hopes of signing LeBron. Or would you rather the Knicks just swapped $20M contracts for the rest of their tenure?

    You said you’re a sixers fan, so I would think you’d understand the benefits of having cap space.

  24. DS

    “No one can sit inside LeBron James’ head and say what he’s going to do 2 years from now.”

    I will go out on a limb and say LeBron will opt to play for the team that will ultimately yield him the most net money in salary and endorsements. Maybe if it’s a difference of say, $1 – 5 million, he’ll want to stay in Ohio.

    Sorry to only focus on LeBron but the idea of landing a 25 year-old that will be leading the league in scoring while averaging a triple double makes it hard to consider other scenarios!

  25. jon abbey

    “Free agents rarely do what makes sense from a fan’s perspective. It made a tiny bit of sense for Baron to leave a system entirely suitable to his talents. But it made no sense for Brand to leave once his team got a second superstar. It made no sense for Steve Nash to leave Dallas for an unproven Phoenix.”

    huh? Phoenix offered way more money than Dallas for Nash, a couple of extra years if I recall, same with LA and Baron. LA eventually moved their offer to Brand to match the Philly one, but they were very reluctant to do so. these decisions aren’t especially complicated to figure out.

  26. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    So if LA offered the same deal to Brand that Philly did – why didn’t Brand take it? They just acquired a second super star. He (supposedly) loves LA.

    Because he was hurt that L.A. didn’t give their best offer first, and he cut off negotiations afterwards.

    So a stupid thing like Brand’s feelings got in the way of him returning to the Clippers (albeit the management’s fault for not putting their best offer first) – but Brand could have easily stayed. And arguably should have – that Clipper team would probably be better than this Philly one AND he wouldn’t have to move his home either.

  27. John

    As for why brand left LA…there’s a lot of reasons out there

    1. Yes the clippers only upped their offer after the sixers made their offer
    2. his agent played the clippers to become relevant again
    and my personal favorite and the one i truly believe
    3. Brand (and more importantly his wife) wanted to be closer to their family as they expect the arrival of their first child…Brand and his wife are both from the east coast…as some one who grew up right out side philadephia and now lives on the west coast, trust me, there’s a HUGE difference and the east coast is better.

    Now

    1. The cavs won’t lowball lebron james
    2. His agent has lebron james – and it’s like james own agency or something right – no need to make a splash
    3. Lebron already plays for his home town team.

    Maybe Brand chose the sixers because even though the clippers signed baron davis, the sixers with brand have a MUCH better chance of making the NBA finals than the Clippers with Davis and Brand…they still wouldn’t even be the best team in their own stadium.

    Now…if the knicks can somehow build a better roster by 2010 than the cavs, then maybe you might sway lebron (if he doesn’t have rings by then, which i don’t think he will cause ferry is a bad GM)…to come to New York…but he’s not going to take that much o a paycut and the ‘incentives’ are too silly to believe in this flat global world.

    So while clearing cap space for 2010 walsh ALSO has to obtain talent…and as much as you guys love david lee…i think you have to admit that isiah drafts weren’t exactly full of nba championship caliber talent (sure that’s partly because he traded away all your picks for over paid bloated fat asses) but can the knicks really get cap space AND build a championship caliber roster (at least better than the cavs can) at the same time by 2010.

    Bad contracts/bad players/limited young talent…not exactly a formula for a roster overhaul in 2 years…it’s a nice dream to have, but if I’m a knicks fan, i don’t buy into the ’2010′ idea…it’s too far, too much can happen, and history is against you.

    The hole that isiah dug the knicks into combined with the worst ‘big market’ owners this side of the mccourts in LA may be great as a sixers fan but i feel bad for knicks fans

    almost

  28. jon abbey

    “So if LA offered the same deal to Brand that Philly did – why didn’t Brand take it? They just acquired a second super star. He (supposedly) loves LA.

    Because he was hurt that L.A. didn’t give their best offer first, and he cut off negotiations afterwards.

    So a stupid thing like Brand’s feelings got in the way of him returning to the Clippers (albeit the management’s fault for not putting their best offer first) – but Brand could have easily stayed. And arguably should have – that Clipper team would probably be better than this Philly one AND he wouldn’t have to move his home either.”

    he’s an East Coast guy originally and I highly doubt that the Clippers would be more of a threat in the West than Philly will be in the East (plus Baron has a history of injuries and is much older than the Philly core)

  29. foliveri

    NY Post is reporting the Knicks just traded the right to Weis for Pat Ewing’s son, who D’Antoni wanted to get in the draft. He thinks he’s a glue guy. He’s a strong defender, but poor offensive player.

  30. daaarn

    NY Post is reporting the Knicks just traded the right to Weis for Pat Ewing’s son, who D’Antoni wanted to get in the draft. He thinks he’s a glue guy. He’s a strong defender, but poor offensive player.

    Yeah, they have the trade up on the official Knicks website now. Honestly, I don’t know why they did that except as maybe some sort of PR thing. Isn’t the roster already maxed out? Unless this is being done in anticipation of buying out Marbury.

  31. Dan Panorama

    Wow trading the rights for Weis for Baby Ew — that’s the most aggressive PR move this team has ever made.

    If Patrick Ewing Jr. is not on the roster but Jerome James is….

  32. Brendan

    I know in theory there’s probably a market for anything and everything, but it bamfoozles me that there’s someone out there who said “yes, I would rather have Frederic Weis than this other basketball commodity to which I own the rights.”

  33. Dan Panorama

    Of course, knowing our luck, Weis will probably actually come to Houston and average 30 and 20.

  34. Owen

    So, which position where we already have too many players does PEJ play. Small forward? Power Forward?

    You know he is actually two months older than Balkman….

  35. daaarn

    So, which position where we already have too many players does PEJ play. Small forward? Power Forward?
    You know he is actually two months older than Balkman….

    Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Why bring in another forward (esp. one similar in skill set to Balk) when we just jettisoned one b/c we had too many already?

  36. caleb

    The Balkman comparison is interesting — I mean, before D’Antoni and Walsh wanted guys who can shoot, and now they bring in a guy who is a fantastic athlete (highest vertical jump at the draft combine) and strong defender, but no offensive skills at all…

    I seriously doubt he will be as good as Balkman, but considering we got him for nothing you can’t knock the move. It doesn’t say what kind of deal they’re offering Ewing — could it be just a training camp invite? It sort of suggests they are still considering a buyout somewhere.

  37. Z

    Fred Weiss was drafted to fill the void at center left by Patrick Ewing Sr’s imminent demise.

    Funny that he’s now traded, eight years later, for Patrick Ewing…

  38. TDM

    Alan Hahn (in his blog today) seems to think that PEJ is a much more intelligent player than Balkman with a better head on his shoulders, while still possessing many of the same skill sets. Not to mention a 7-foot wingspan and a “tremendous vertical” leap.

    Regarding Weis’ rights, Hahn said:

    “Now, regarding the inclusion of Weis in this trade, which had to be only for comedic purposes: I asked around and was told that NBA teams had lifetime rights to a player they draft unless they renounce or trade or sign that player and he becomes a free agent. It’s a problem for many European players, apparently. Weis never signed so even though they drafted him almost a decade ago, they still technically maintained his rights. Why the Rockets would want this guys rights is far beyond anything I am interested in hearing on the Friday before Labor Day weekend.”

    Interesting to think that Weis was drafted to replace Ewing, and after a decade of shelf-life is traded for Ewing, albeit a younger one.

  39. Captain Merlin

    Well shit, losing Weis’ rights pretty much kills my second 5 year rebuilding plan for the glory and magnificence of the Knickerbocker empire. Probably shouldn’t have taken a page out of that book…

  40. Z

    Funny, also, that Weis was reviled by Knick fans because he was selected ahead of hometown guy Ron Artest. Now Ewing Jr. has been traded with Artest and for Weis in the course of three weeks.

    Six Degrees of Ewing Jr…

  41. jon abbey

    what I want to know is how that even gets brought up to begin with.

    “we’d like to trade for Patrick Ewing, Jr.”

    “OK, we’re open to that, what are you willing to give up?”

    “hmm. did you guys happen to see the Sydney Olympics?”

    “no, why?”

    “no reason. hey, we’ve got the rights to this stud French center, what about him?”

    “sounds good, let’s do it!”

  42. villainx

    The Balkman comparison is interesting — I mean, before D’Antoni and Walsh wanted guys who can shoot, and now they bring in a guy who is a fantastic athlete (highest vertical jump at the draft combine) and strong defender, but no offensive skills at all…

    Ewing Sr managed to develop an offensive game, so maybe something can happen.

  43. mase

    PEJ!
    …i have to think Sr. pulled some strings to get this to happen, its to much of an oddity.

  44. Thomas B.

    None of this makes sense to me.

    “Ewing would’ve been caught in a numbers game in Houston — he was one of nine forwards on the roster after the Artest trade.” -ESPN

    “We had nine forwards and he was’nt going to play”-Walsh on the Balkman trade.

    The Knicks now have nine forwards again.

    Donnie please to explain.

  45. Italian Stallion

    The Balkman comparison is interesting — I mean, before D’Antoni and Walsh wanted guys who can shoot, and now they bring in a guy who is a fantastic athlete (highest vertical jump at the draft combine) and strong defender, but no offensive skills at all…
    I seriously doubt he will be as good as Balkman, but considering we got him for nothing you can’t knock the move. It doesn’t say what kind of deal they’re offering Ewing — could it be just a training camp invite? It sort of suggests they are still considering a buyout somewhere.

    I read that Walsh was actually trying to get another pick to draft Ewing Jr. because he liked him. Of course, I don’t know if that’s true, but I think the addition of a player like Ewing Jr. tells us more about the Balkman deal. They just added a player that could generally be categorized as similar to Balkman. That means they either honestly think Ewing Jr will be better player or there was something specific about Balkman they did not like. As I said at the time, I read that Balkman looked totally lost inside the new system during summer league. It could also have been some of his rumored personal habits. Either way, I think we have more clarity now. It seems they are not opposed to have a defense oriented high energy athlete on the team (“glue” they called him). They were opposed to having Balkman on the team.

  46. ess-dog

    is this a prelude to another move? maybe another forward leaves town… maybe a forward with the initials Z.R.? But it looks like Memphis signed that Iranian forward, to fairly big money, lessening the likelihood of a Randolph move. Too bad. PE II is a stud athlete. If he can learn anything, he’ll be useful off the bench. Who wants to guess how much Curry will weigh in at this fall? 325? 340?

  47. caleb

    I think we have more clarity now. It seems they are not opposed to have a defense oriented high energy athlete on the team (”glue” they called him). They were opposed to having Balkman on the team.

    I can’t believe I agree with you, but yes, this is vaguely encouraging – a sign that they can appreciate a player whose forte is defense. Maybe there really is something about Balkman (off-court, chronic injury, whatever) to suggest he will never be a full-time player.

    I will say – gym tests notwithstanding, there’s nothing about Ewing Jr. to suggest he can put up the kind of per-minute numbers that Balkman did — that gave me hope he would be a “star role player” a la Bowen.

    At this point the move doesn’t mean much — they couldn’t have traded Weis for even a late second-rounder, so it’s just a clerical move – like signing a rookie free agent. It’s basically a free look to get PEJ into training camp. Still, what the heck.

  48. Italian Stallion

    I presume his explanation would be that while Balkman wouldn’t play, Ewing would.

    That’s looking a lot more like a political comment designed to protect Balkman than anything else. Ewing Jr hasn’t even made the team yet, but assuming he does you have to wonder where his minutes are going to come from and why he’s any different. I don’t think Balkman would have gotten a lot of time, but IMO it now appears something else was amiss and the major reason for that move.

  49. Z-man

    I had suggested that guys like Balkman were not difficult to find, and took qite a bit of flak for that suggestion. Voila!

  50. b

    Ewing is a superb acquisition that gives us someone to root for in a season that has no possibility of being positive.

    Stoudemire’s recent comments that the Suns didn’t actually practice defense under D’Antoni are disturbing.

  51. Z-man

    Here’s an interesting take on pre-draft measurements:

    http://www.brewhoop.com/2008/6/22/543088/measurement-error-explorin

    It mentions Pat Ewing Jr.’s standing reach as being probably inaccurate in the DraftExpress database (my guess is that it is 8’11.5″, not 8’1.5″).

    Cleary he is a stud athlete, outperforming everyone in sheer leaping ability, even guys like Derick Rose and Joe Alexander. One thing that jumped out at me was his body fat (9.2) which is on the high side for the more athletic guys. This might indicate that he can actually get into much better shape.

    I agree with IS (and said several times here right after he was traded) that Balk was probably jettisoned because of personality/intelligence issues rather than solely his lack of offensive skill. While I agree that Ewing may not put up the per-minute stats (and ultimately might not even make the team!), as a knick fan I am more excited about the unknown upside of PEJ than RB, even if only on pedigree alone.

  52. Owen

    “I had suggested that guys like Balkman were not difficult to find, and took qite a bit of flak for that suggestion. Voila!”

    It’s true, its not difficult to find a below average college player to replace an above average NBA player.

    “I am more excited about the unknown upside of PEJ than RB, even if only on pedigree alone.”

    Count me among those who never prefers “upside” to a established track record of productivity in the NBA.

    PEJ may work out. If he turns into this year’s Carl Landry, no one will be more excited than me. However, right now I have to say that this is one more move that fails to bolser my confidence in Walsh.

  53. z-man

    It’s true, its not difficult to find a below average college player to replace an above average NBA player.

    1. PEJ was the 6th man of the year in one of the best conferences in the country. I don’t think that makes him a below avg college player.

    2. Balk is an above avg NBA player?! Only by your “per 36 min” stats logic. He had trouble cracking the rotation on one of the worst teams in the league and generated virtually zero interest on the trade market despite having a near league-minimum salary, unless you are cynical enough to believe that Walsh did not shop Balk around at all since he took over months before the trade.

  54. Count Zero

    Balk is an above avg NBA player?! Only by your “per 36 min” stats logic. He had trouble cracking the rotation on one of the worst teams in the league and generated virtually zero interest on the trade market despite having a near league-minimum salary, unless you are cynical enough to believe that Walsh did not shop Balk around at all since he took over months before the trade.

    Agreed. Calling Balkman an above average NBA player is pretty ludicrous.

  55. Owen

    “Calling Balkman an above average NBA player is pretty ludicrous.”

    It’s not ludicrous. It’s very clear actually. Any metric you care to choose will tell you that Balkman was an above average player his rookie season, even PER. And those are metrics which don’t capture defense, where balkman is outstanding.

    Why you guys think PEJ, whose college numbers are much worse than Balkman’s pro numbers, will be a suitable replacement, I have no idea. But we have already had our Balkman thread. I hope you guys are right about PEJ.

  56. DS

    People who post on this site seem confused as to why Walsh would give aways Balkman for nothing rather than hold on to him to use as much or as little as we like.

    We have heard Walsh comment on this. I truly believe Walsh had some respect for RB’s game but could not in good faith stash a young, develpoing guy at the end of the bench to play 9 mpg. He simply thought Balkman could grow more as player, receive better attention, and better improve his career prospects somewhere else. IMHO, I think Donnie felt he had to wittle down the roster, he was legitamately looking out for Balkman, and showing the league that the Knicks are an employer that will give its players what they want or what is in their best interest.

    Sorry if this is stating the obvious but some people on the site seem to think Walsh doesn’t understand this and think this situation is a case of complete inteptitude.

    I’m not going to debate that RB didn’t deserve more playing time than a lot of the other Knicks forwards who have stayed – I personally think he did. I’m just trying to get in the front office’s head a little bit.

    Ewing Jr. is execting to be a 12th man (or 15th, however big rosters are today) wherever he goes so NY wouldn’t be stagnating his career.

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