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Monday, July 28, 2014

Incredibly Small Change To The Knicks’ Uniforms!

Well howdy there Knickerblogger-istas. Long time no see. Hope everyone’s had a great summer, or at least has managed to fully detox from SheSmron-a-palooza (which naturally seems to have been followed hard upon by Carmellilith Fair)

As some of you may know, I get really obsessively geeky about sports uniforms – from the most miniscule design alterations to monolithic Nike-led uber-branding efforts, it’s all fascinating to your humble correspondent. So, when Alan Hahn intimated (well, tweeted) that the Knicks would be “tweaking” their uni for the upcoming season, I was giddy as a 13 yr old girl waiting for the next episode of. “Glee.”

(If you too, geek out about this stuff, I highly recommend checking out Paul Lukas’ blog, Uniwatch. It’s the go-to source for athletic laundry aficionados)

Alas, the summer days dwindled down and the Jazz, Cavs, T-Wolves and Clippers trotted out their new digs, the ‘Bockers, according to all the online evidence I could glean, were set to take the court wearing the same threads they’ve worn since 2001.

But lo! Today at the NBA Store, the Association made a big to-do about a league-wide switch to Adidas’ fancy new super-fabrics that were 30% lighter, 30% more cran-tastic, could made you breakfast, prevent unwanted acne, etc. etc. blah blah blah. More importantly, if you take a magnifying glass to our very own Wilson Chandler (and yes, I did), you’ll notice that the Knicks have… wait for it… A SLIGHTLY NEW COLLAR! (commence rejoicing)

Last year (and again, since ’01) the Nix utilized a design, that while original, was asymmetrically off-putting. Take a gander here, and you can clearly see the that the neck has an odd overlap at the base and a blue/orange/black pattern, weighted heavily in favor of blue (an odd choice, since you could almost miss the blue entirely as it matched the base color of the shirt itself). The shoulder stripes, in contrast, had a large black strip with a smaller orange trim, and omitted blue entirely. It’s an interesting concept, but was always way too cluttered from a design/aesthetic perspective.

Now, look again at today’s photo. You’ll see that the shoulder and neck stripes are now identical – black/orange/black and without the overlap at the base of the neck. If this design looks familiar, it’s because it’s pretty much the same as the striping the Nix used when they first introduced black to the uniform in the ’96-’97 season.

Now, I won’t go into the low regard I have for those Iron Man-esque arm bands that Will and D-Ho are rockin’, and there’s a larger argument about whether or not the Knicks should have any black in their uni set at all (you can probably guess that I’d emphatically bellow, “NO!!!”), but any move towards simplicity and cleanliness in the design of the home and road kits is a welcome one.

Thus endeth this brief sojourn into the world of cager couture.

Yours in sartorial splendor,
Bob the Hardwood Haberdasher

27 comments on “Incredibly Small Change To The Knicks’ Uniforms!

  1. ess-dog

    The Knicks gotta lose the black in those unis. I’d like to see a thick white stripe between 2 orange stripes on a slightly darker blue. Theis current scheme is just plain grating.

  2. Loathing

    *in Nathan Explosion voice* (ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_FVCwpqJGc)

    No way! You gotta keep the black! Black is metal, and metal makes everything better, which means if the Knicks keep the black, they’ll be metal, and they’ll be better.

    (Ok, no more pre-caffeine postings for me…for the best I’m sure…)

  3. GAx

    I liked the black. Especially the wide black stripes down the sides we used to have like in ’99.

    ess-dog: YOU GOTTA HAVE BLUE AND ORANGE. But for an alt jersey for like a game or something…I’m not gonna lie I think that’d look pretty good.

  4. Ted Nelson

    Hornets have already given up on Craig Brackins… trading him for Willie Green and Jason Smith basically amounts to giving him away… I guess Willie Green isn’t 100% useless, but definitely 90%. Jason Smith is young enough to improve, but has done nothing for 2 seasons spread over 3 years out of college.

    Continues the Hornets fascination with bad guards… It’s like they try their hardest to put a crappy guard next to CP3. New regime, same crappy guard M.O. Green can take the spot of terrible guard the Hornets give heavy minutes to left open since Jannero Pargo bolted.

    It’s potentially a minor deal, but could have some repercussions for the Knicks. If Brackins isn’t completely worthless (and maybe he is), this could signal that the new front office is totally inept. Potentially making CP3 more likely to leave. If Brackins is any good this could also help the Knicks division foe and possible competitor for a low playoff spot over in Philly… losing Willie Green could open minutes for better players on top of any contributions from Brackins in what was/is sort of a weak frontcourt.

  5. Robert Silverman Post author

    Loathing: *in Nathan Explosion voice* (ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_FVCwpqJGc)No way! You gotta keep the black! Black is metal, and metal makes everything better, which means if the Knicks keep the black, they’ll be metal, and they’ll be better.(Ok, no more pre-caffeine postings for me…for the best I’m sure…)  

    Any comment that involves both Deathklok and Nix Unis is like manna from heaven!

    I wonder what William Murderface might think?

  6. BigBlueAL

    Also looks like Don Nelson will not be coaching the Warriors this season, Keith Smart is. David Lee and his stats must be thrilled. lol

  7. Z-man

    Good riddance Nellie. I, for one, was not an admirer. Did like the Lee deal, though, so thanks for whatever you did to make that possible.

  8. SeeWhyDee77

    I don’t understand…Shawne Williams and PJ instead of Barron. Maybe a trade is in the works after all and Donnie is sensing that we will need extra bodies…hmmm…
    As far as the uni goes..the black and orange idea of ess’ would be a great alternate uni. Or even a reverse of the original colors..with orange as the base, blue lettering and white trim. Or maybe not lol. I would like 2 see the Knick logo incorporated more into the uni however.

  9. Robert Silverman Post author

    SeeWhyDee77: Or even a reverse of the original colors..with orange as the base, blue lettering and white trim. Or maybe not lol. however.  

    As KB’s resident aesthetician (and we aestheticians can be a dictatorial/dogmatic lot), I have to say…eww.

    An orange uni? They’d have to issue warning signs saying, “This may be hazardous to your optic nerve,” for anyone watching the Nix in HD

  10. SeeWhyDee77

    Robert Silverman:

    An orange uni? They’d have to issue warning signs saying, “This may be hazardous to your optic nerve,” for anyone watching the Nix in HD  

    lol..good point RS. The Bobcats kinda pulled it off…I was thinkin maybe the orange could be a lil darker..but now that I think about it-that would be tacky as hell lol. Blue and Orange is kind of a tough color scheme to work with isn’t it?

  11. Frank

    Not to be off-topic here, but a while back I posted a ridiculously long-winded dissertation on why rebound% or gross rebounding numbers might be misleading due to various factors that are not accounted for in usual box scores. Then – we watched Mosgov post rebound #s in the world championships that were significantly below his per-36 average in his regular season games, but we also heard how great he is at boxing out etc. which presumably would help someone else get the rebound — so even though his rebounding #s stunk, the team rebound rate was probably better for him being out there.

    Does anyone think that team rebound rate while on or off the floor is actually a better measure of rebounding prowess than OREB% or DREB%? After all, it shouldn’t matter WHO gets the rebound as long as it’s a Knick. Looking at 82games at the on/off court rebounding #s, there are some interesting #s such as the fact that Orlando’s OREB% and DREB% were identical whether or not Howard was on the floor.

    http://www.82games.com/0910/09ORL12.HTM

    Similarly, David Lee actually had an adverse effect on offensive rebounding when he was on the floor, and overall the Knicks were a worse rebounding team when he was on the floor.

    http://www.82games.com/0910/09NYK17.HTM#onoff

    And I had read somewhere else last year that some people thought that Lee wasn’t a great rebounder at all — that many of his rebounds were uncontested rebounds that even Eddy Curry could have gotten while eating donuts…

    anyway, just food for thought while this endless offseason rolls on and on and on…

  12. Ted Nelson

    Frank,

    You do raise some interesting points: blocking space and easy rebounds going to a bigman by default. I honestly don’t know how big an impact these things have. Would be interesting to find out.

    I also wouldn’t look only at on-court/off-court rebounding numbers to determine an individuals ability, though. There are other factors at play including who else is on the court in both situations (on/off). Both in terms of quality of rebounders and quality of shooters. It’s definitely something to consider, though. Perhaps individual rebounding is largely overrated.

    In terms of Lee v. Curry, Lee is clearly a very good individual rebounder. He gets far more rebounds not only than Curry but than most bigmen. I don’t know whether he is or is not a good “space eater” (subjectively he’s probably not up there with Curry in his prime space eating days… but I have no idea… a smart, quick player can cut someone off just as easily as a fat one). Perhaps the optimal solution is a bit of a division of labor where you have one space eater and one quick guy who goes after the ball.

  13. ess-dog

    It is true about David Lee though. You don’t really see him box out much:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzM78XgnJS8&feature=related

    I think a lot of this has to do with the Knicks being a running team and boxing out often comes out of a half-court set. Lee just has a great nose for the ball. He’s not particularly big, long or has great hops (he does jump pretty well actually), he’s just always aware of where the ball is when it hits the rim.
    I agree that a big guy/thin guy post combo is great for rebounding. Traditionally the center is the space eater who lumbers down low, boxes out the other huge guy and grabs boards. The ‘power’ forward is just that – a forward who slashes with or without the ball but works down low as opposed to on the wing and gets rebounds that way.
    On a half-court team like the Sixers, their center will get a lot of boards b/c he is always around the basket. For a running team, it’s a little more complicated. I think that’s why running teams sometimes prefer a power forward as their center, since they need to have someone with the ability to get up and down the floor and get rebounds on the run. But playoff basketball always slows down so having a Dalembert or a Bynum type is important.
    That’s what is exciting about Mosgov I think. He’s a young, hard-nosed, real center.

  14. Robert Silverman Post author

    SeeWhyDee77:
    lol..good point RS. The Bobcats kinda pulled it off…I was thinkin maybe the orange could be a lil darker..but now that I think about it-that would be tacky as hell lol. Blue and Orange is kind of a tough color scheme to work with isn’t it?  

    I should have written, “Self-appointed aesthetician,” but yeah you’re right, blue and orange are tough to pull off. They’re NYC’s official colors, which, combined with “Knickerbocker” being an old nickname for a NYer, (from the Dutch settlers) makes sense. The only way to do it right is to have blue be the predominant color with a few hints of orange. The Mets unis from ’62-’75 (pre-double knits) pulled it off, as did the Nix 70′s and 90′s unis.

    On the other end of the spectrum (literally), you get the Bobcats first digs and the Florida Gators duds.

    As far as the black goes, yes. Black and orange would work a helluva lot better than black/blue/orange. Alas, personally, I think black/orange should be reserved for teams w/nicknames that are a variation of a tiger — The Bengals, Princeton, etc.

    I can be a serious reactionary when it comes to unis but for the most part, the classic designs look better than any “modern” re-imagining. Alas, the black in the Nix jerseys is no longer even new/current — it just smacks so clearly of the mid-90′s phenomenon where every team threw a little black into their uni to boost sales.

  15. Z

    Frank: Not to be off-topic here, but a while back I posted a ridiculously long-winded dissertation on why rebound% or gross rebounding numbers might be misleading due to various factors that are not accounted for in usual box scores…  

    I think it’s interesting Frank. I don’t do the “stats thing” here like others, but I’ve always kind of felt that rebounding stats were overrated. It IS hard to attribute credit to the players that actually deserve it in basketball, even with well-defined stats like scoring and rebounding.

    Growing up, before box-scores got expanded to what they are now, I used to see a stat next to blocked shots called “team rebounds”. I never knew what this meant. I assumed it meant rebounds that no particular player grabbed, but possession was retained via it. I don’t even know if it’s a stat that is still kept, but I think “team rebounds” or at least my concept of it, should be the only rebounding stat that is kept.

    I haven’t really spent much time honing my thoughts on the subject, but it kind of seems to me that only offensive rebounds should really be credited at all. It should be assumed that a defensive player will rebound a missed shot, and only when there is a “break” in the norm should it even be credited.

    That way you don’t get guys like Zach Randolph sagging off his guy just to pad his stats, just so his agent call sell him as a “20-10″ guy, just so he can scam a franchise out of $80 million…

  16. Ted Nelson

    SeeWhyDee77,

    All teams invite guys to camp on non-guaranteed contracts. They need bodies and/or they want to give a kid they’re somewhat high on a shot.

    Z,

    The ball is up in the air and an offensive guy often has as much chance to get it as a defensive guy. We would be ignoring a big part of the game if we simply ignored a player’s rebounding ability. Rebounding may be “importanter” at the margins more than we accept and there probably are factors besides actually grabbing the rebound that should be considered, but it’s still an important possession stat.

    Also, people are going to game the system no matter what the system is. I don’t know that Zach Randolph actively tried to pad his stats after he already had a guaranteed $80 mill in hand, but so long as there’s a system it can be exploited. Ignoring part of the game is not going to change that.

    When a guy’s stats remain fairly constant regardless of team and teammates and coach, it becomes harder to argue that “it IS hard to attribute credit to the players that actually deserve it in basketball” to a very meaningful extent. And basketball stats do remain relatively constant. If one player is responsible for helping his teammates perform better, we should consistently see an uptick in his teammates and team’s statistics while he’s on the floor.

  17. Z-man

    “In terms of Lee v. Curry, Lee is clearly a very good individual rebounder. He gets far more rebounds not only than Curry but than most bigmen. I don’t know whether he is or is not a good “space eater” (subjectively he’s probably not up there with Curry in his prime space eating days… but I have no idea… a smart, quick player can cut someone off just as easily as a fat one).”

    Not for nothing, but I would concede any metric involving the concept of eating to Curry.

  18. SeeWhyDee77

    Robert Silverman: MORE CHANGES!!!The Knicks home uni now features orange numbers with a white outline!First time in team history they’ve gove orange/white/bluehttp://plixi.com/p/46903539And…I hate it. Pointless change  

    eww..that outline is horrible…maybe it would look better on the blue..nah..i’m thinkin that would be ugly 2.

  19. Robert Silverman Post author

    It may be the lighting in the room, but the orange looks really bright, bordering on pink.

    And I hate to use masculine/feminine stereotypes when discussing design, but the white border makes the numbers (and the uni as a whole) look…well…weak.

  20. Robert Silverman Post author

    Look at this photo, the name-plate is really low down on the jersey & Ewing looks like he’s wearing a crappy knock-off. Ugh. I take back all the kudos I gave for the collar adjustment.

    If you’re going to re-design the jersey, do it properly. This kind of dreck makes me think that the only reason they made these, “changes” is to encourage we fans to re-buy all our Nix paraphernalia. B/c you know, the jersey’s we have now aren’t “official.”

    So hateful.

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