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Monday, November 24, 2014

Heat 113, Knicks 91

December 17th, 2010, is a date that has been circled on my calendar since the league announced this season’s schedule. Tonight was the city’s chance to shout out our new opinion of LeBron to his face for the first time. Long wooed by the city, with Knicks fans applauding his accomplishments on our home court, his “Decision” changed everything. The fans who once longed for James in orange and blue now despise him.

And boy, did MSG do its part tonight. From before tipoff throughout the first half the crowd was electric, with thunderous chants of “DE-FENSE” every time the Heat touched the ball, and loud Boos ringing out each time it was passed to LeBron. The crowd even reserved a special chant for when Chris Bosh would shoot free throws: “OVER-RATED“, no doubt a result of the Heat’s implied belief this summer that Bosh was the best free-agent power forward, a belief any Knicks fan would now contest. Moreover, the team was giving us a reason to cheer, overcoming a 13 point second quarter deficit to lead the game with 3:24 left in the first half on a Landry Fields tip-in. Though the Knicks and Heat entered the half tied at 59, the game was soon to turn, with the Heat outscoring the Knicks by 16 in the 3rd quarter, with LeBron shooting 6-9 in the quarter for 14 points. The fourth quarter left nothing to doubt, as the Knicks were unable to find any offensive rhythm. Despite the horrific 2nd half, I don’t believe that tonight’s loss should be a cause for major alarm. My thoughts on the matter and analysis of the box score below.

  • First and foremost, this was not Amar’e’s night. During the recent win streak, Amar’e had appeared perfectly in control, a combination of power and grace that could not be stopped. Tonight was the polar opposite- everything Amar’e did seemed rushed and slightly out-of-control. 24 points on 28 shots is not the efficiency we’ve come to expect, and four turnovers certainly didn’t help. However, I doubt this problem will continue. For one thing, it appeared that Amar’e was hit on the arms every time he drove towards the hoop, with nary a call. It’s questionable tonight whether it would have helped- Amar’e shot an incredibly poor 2-7 from the free throw line- but other refs may well have been blown the whistle. Every superstar has a bad night now and then, and tonight easily could have been the result of the incredible minutes per game D’Antoni has been playing Amar’e. Perhaps the best thing tonight’s result could do is force the Knicks to lean a bit more on someone like Anthony Randolph (who looked hungry for playing time during the few minutes of garbage time he received) to spell Amar’e. Amar’e finished with a +/- of -22, which was poor but hardly the worst on the team.
  • That honor would belong to Raymond Felton, who posted an incredible +/- of -33. I wonder if the heavy minutes are again a suspect for the poor play, specifically because some of the things Raymond is best at (driving the hoop for a lay-up, for example), were absolutely beyond him tonight. Raymond hit the underside of the rim at least two times on drives- ugly.  He shot 3-12, was 0-3 from 3, and while the box score shows he dished 10 assists, he had no impact on the game. Not a result you would like against a team which is widely considered not to have a point guard. I’m not sure who we can look to to give him rest though, so this one is questionable.
  • Interestingly enough, the only positive +/- on the night belonged to Shawne Williams. This is attributable largely to his presence on an interesting second quarter line-up featuring four players shooting over 36% from three- Gallo, Chandler, Williams, and Fields- and a 5th, Toney Douglas, who is not shy to shoot. This was quite the interesting lineup. Wilson Chandler was the player presumably playing at center, if one had to be designated as such.  This group erased much of the deficit, and gave the Heat plenty of trouble defensively, mainly because the Knicks knocked down a few shots, but, alas, this particular lineup was not to return in the second half.
  • Thank goodness Gallo was dialed in to start the game, or it might not have remained close for even a half. Gallo’s 21 points before halftime were inspired. One could sense that he was playing with a great deal of confidence. Unfortunately his shot, along with the rest of the team’s, went away in the second half. Regardless, his 25 points were a game-high.

So why am I not particularly worried? First, I think Felton and Stoudemire are better than they showed tonight. Given proper rest, I would doubt they perform as poorly the next time they play the Heat. Second, their free throw shooting was just atrocious tonight (56.5%.) Making the ten free throws we missed wouldn’t have won the game for us, but considering the quality our players normally demonstrate at the charity stripe, shooting such a low percentage is an anomaly. Third, LeBron and the Heat were just incredible tonight, but in a way that could be hard to repeat. If you disregard a late miss by James Jones in garbage time, the Heat shot just under 59% from 3 tonight. Furthermore, LeBron knocked down a number of long two-pointers. While one is hard-pressed to call it great defense when his shot is dropping, the defenses of teams who have played the Cavs in the playoffs have designed their scheme to force him to take that exact type of a shot. On another night, his shooting percentage could quite easily be below the 60% he had tonight, including 50% from deep. This shooting contributed to the largest +/- on the night, at +31. However, this is why we wanted him on the Knicks. LeBron James is really good at the game of basketball. While the Knicks couldn’t ‘Beat the Heat’ tonight, despite the rowdy support of the MSG faithful, there are some losses to which one doesn’t need to overreact, and I count this among them.

50 comments on “Heat 113, Knicks 91

  1. steveoh

    I’m completely with you on this, John. Watching that game, it struck me that LeBron was hitting the shots everyone in the league wants him to take, so really, what else can you do with someone as talented like that is on fire? They’re gonna win every game if he’s playing like that. And when you throw in that Amar’e and Felton just didn’t have you wind up with 113-91. It happened. Let’s get over it.

    If we look horrible against Cleveland, then we might have a problem. But I don’t think that will happen.

  2. nicos

    The only thing I took away from this is that Miami is really, really, good- the only question is can they defend against a genuine low post threat (and as good as Amar’e is, he’s not a back to the basket guy). That and that Chandler can’t keep playing 30+ minutes a night at the four- Turiaf hasn’t been the same guy since the injury and Timo’s nowhere near ready so if the Knicks want to move into that Chicago, Atlanta bracket below the Heat and the C’s they have to make a move for a big (I’d look for a big 4 as I don’t think there’s a five out there who D’Antoni would play) or try to get something out of AR. He was relatively under control tonight- as long as he realizes he doesn’t have to make a play on every possession he should be capable of 10 minutes a night (and hopefully more at some point). I know he’s been beyond bad but the Knicks something at the 4 off of the bench- I don’t think he’ll play bad enough to knock us out of the playoffs and without some improvement in our interior defense we’re going to have trouble getting out of the first round anyway so I say give him at least 10-15 games worth of steady minutes and see what we’ve got.

  3. John Kenney Post author

    Agreed, steveoh.

    Some additional information about tonight:

    Joe Jonas got one of the loudest boos of the night when he was showed on the big screen. Don’t think he knew quite how to handle it– guess MSG was full of TSwift fans/ people who hate boy bands.

    Timofey Mozgov waved to me during the second half shoot around. I spotted him just kinda dribbling, surveying the crowd, so I stood up and waved to him and he waved back with a huge grin. I don’t know– I know his stats aren’t great, but the refs called some of the most ticky-tack fouls I’ve ever seen on him, and all indication is he’s good for the locker room. I guess I just like the fact he’s on the team.

    Most exciting thing in the last two minutes? That would be the all out brawl that occurred in one of the sections behind the baskets. Couple guys got tangled up and knocked eachother over… then a blond woman came in raining haymakers on the back of one of their heads. Some people did a “fight fight fight” chant.

  4. Robert Silverman

    John Kenney: Agreed, steveoh.Some additional information about tonight:Joe Jonas got one of the loudest boos of the night when he was showed on the big screen. Don’t think he knew quite how to handle it– guess MSG was full of TSwift fans/ people who hate boy bands.Timofey Mozgov waved to me during the second half shoot around. I spotted him just kinda dribbling, surveying the crowd, so I stood up and waved to him and he waved back with a huge grin. I don’t know– I know his stats aren’t great, but the refs called some of the most ticky-tack fouls I’ve ever seen on him, and all indication is he’s good for the locker room. I guess I just like the fact he’s on the team.Most exciting thing in the last two minutes? That would be the all out brawl that occurred in one of the sections behind the baskets. Couple guys got tangled up and knocked eachother over… then a blond woman came in raining haymakers on the back of one of their heads. Some people did a “fight fight fight” chant.  

    Yes, the Joe Jonas moment was epic. Missed the fight as I was making my way to the court.

  5. Abasi

    This was bound to happen and there is no reason to panic. We are a young, improving team, but nowhere near elite class. We can’t compete yet with the Spurs, Celtics, Lakers, Heat, Magic, Bulls, Thunder, Jazz, Mavericks, Hornets, Hawks.

    The team is tired and we cannot expect Felton and Amare to sustain their incredible performance levels throughout the season. I feel the Fields honeymoon will be over soon due to his passive, ultra-safe approach: he doesn’t make too many mistakes for a rookie, but he doesn’t do anything extremely well either. I have a feel in D’antoni plays him so much simply because there is no one else.

    In short, growing pains for a young team still short of a couple of good starters, playing a fundamentally flawed system.

  6. Mike Kurylo

    Abasi: This was bound to happen and there is no reason to panic. We are a young, improving team, but nowhere near elite class. We can’t compete yet with the Spurs, Celtics, Lakers, Heat, Magic, Bulls, Thunder, Jazz, Mavericks, Hornets, Hawks.
    The team is tired and we cannot expect Felton and Amare to sustain their incredible performance levels throughout the season. I feel the Fields honeymoon will be over soon due to his passive, ultra-safe approach: he doesn’t make too many mistakes for a rookie, but he doesn’t do anything extremely well either. I have a feel in D’antoni plays him so much simply because there is no one else.In short, growing pains for a young team still short of a couple of good starters, playing a fundamentally flawed system.  

    It’s not a flawed system. If you want a place where you can tout your cliches without any fact, there are many other Knick blogs/boards where this kind of behavior is acceptable. Doing so here is akin to trolling, like a liberal socialist going to Fox News, or a Mormon going to a Buddhist blog, etc. There’s nothing but trouble to come from it. If you want to talk about facts, then be welcome here. If you want to force your opinion on others as facts, then it’s time to leave.

    And that doesn’t even include the stunt you pulled last night.

  7. Mike Kurylo

    I just realized Abasi = Irwin. Time to take out the banning mouse.

    I should have known from the constant bashing D’Antoni, or from pissing off just about everyone, including myself.

  8. André

    (…)they have to make a move for a big (I’d look for a big 4 as I don’t think there’s a five out there who D’Antoni would play(…)

    I don’t understand why D’Antoni can’t fit a big 5 in his system. Alvin Gentry made it last season, with Robin Lopez and STAT had one of his best playoffs’s performance.

  9. jkhar

    I hear too much that the Knicks are better with Amare at the Center position. I would love to see him at the PF with a C that can play D and rebound. The reason that he is overworked is the Defense he is required to play, being our only Big in the game 90% of the time . Isn’t AR capable of doing those two things?

  10. gransoporro

    Hello, I am new here. I saw the game on TV and I have been watching nearly all games for the last couple of years.
    In the second half they looked tired and without confidence: airballs from Gallinari, Chandler, Stoudemire…
    A bit as if they hit a wall. It was also the first game the opposition didn’t adapt to the Knicks for a long time. Even the Celtics adapted to us…

    I don’t know if abasi is a troll or not, but I agree that this is not a top team yet. Nor it was going to be at the beginning of the season: there are lots of gambles (Randolph, Mozgov, Azubuike to an extent, Fields) in the roster. To have a top 4 East team we must win probably 3 of those bets, and only one is in the pocket. It was too much to hype the team before (not here, but somewhere here and there on the press), it is too much to shoot it down after the last 2 losses. I still think this is a better team than I expected at the beginning of the season, so while my heart bled yesterday I am still happy with it. Let’s not ask too much of them and go back to what we all wanted at the beginning of the season: a winning season and the playoffs.

    Concerning D’Antoni as a coach, he was quite successful in Treviso, winning Italian championships and European cups. As a playmaker he was famous (and believe me, I saw him lots of times live and on TV) for his ability to control the game pace, his killer instinct and his defense (he was nicknamed Arsenio Lupin, the gentleman thief, because of his ability to steal the ball). Definitely I was not expecting from him such offensive attitude as a coach… But I enjoy it.

    The team is different from nearly any other team in the NBA and I like that. It’s a good team, it has its own character, a super star, players with heart. We should all be happy with it compared to the last 2 seasons. I am. Even if we lost the last 2 games.

  11. André

    Watching Chandler guarding Bosh yesterday, I thought:
    “You live by mismatches, you die by mismatches”

  12. Z-man

    I was super impressed with the Heat defense in the second half. It wasn’t just that Amar’e and Felton were off, the Heat D was suffocating. They are bound to go on runs like they did in the 3rd quarter every game because their D is tough and when they get the ball they have 2 guys that can score in 1,000 different ways. When they get Miller back, whoa, look out.

  13. hoolahoop

    I expect a knee-jerk reaction to last night’s whooping calling for Melo. If the knicks had Melo last night nothing would have changed.
    The knicks need a a tuff, a big, strong body that will make people pay a price for going to the hoop, a guy who will put slashers on their ass. The knicks need to post a big sign on the paint – DO NOT ENTER instead of the WELCOME mat they have now.

  14. David Crockett

    In a game where the officials allow lots of “hacking and whacking” the Knicks really have no shot. They let both teams play, but a super physical match up clearly favors Miami.

    I suspect you won’t find many teams who will face consecutive opponents playing as well as the Celtics and Heat were coming into the respective games. NY probably beats all but 3 or 4 teams in the NBA with their performance against Boston. Miami just hit the shots we asked them to hit.

    We will know something about how diagnostic this week was by how we play tonight against Cleveland. In a sentence, we need to beat them like the stole something–particularly on defense.

  15. cgreene

    Other than the fact that I think Amar’e doesn’t get the bump calls that some other superstars get (because he is a big man IMO) I do not think that the officials have had a negative outcome on the Celtics or Heat games. Seen a lot of bad calls both ways in both games. That is the nature of the NBA. It is the most difficult and, hence, most inconsistently officiated sport. Simmons in his running diary was talking about how Pierce gets no call for the C’s. We didn’t see it that way but obviously that’s a thing among C’s fans. Can’t imagine that Magic fans don’t feel the same way about Howard (although his going to the line more is a mixed bag).

    I think we are all just so unused to being in meaningful games against good teams that we have forgotten that officiating is part of the frustration of being a fan of the NBA game in and game out.

  16. ess-dog

    I don’t think there were a lot of surprises here. It was frustrating because we played above ourselves in the first half and below ourselves in the second. If we had been down by 4-8 pts all game, never having a lead and let it go in the last minute, everyone would just chalk it up to “oh well, it’s the Heat, they are amazing but we’ve got a good team.”
    And that’s really all there is. Our guys looked a bit tired in the 2nd half, but the starters are a good group. I thought these D’Antoni quotes were pretty telling:

    “I like going to battle with these guys, I really do. I’m energized. It showed how far we have to go but I thought for 24 minutes, we slugged it out with them, toe-to-toe. We just have to get a little bit older, a little bit smarter and get a little more depth and we’ll be good.”

    He really likes his team. I think he would rather add to the depth than say, bring in Carmelo Anthony and just take lumps until we grow up as a team.

    I don’t think there are any easy trades for us. It doesn’t make sense to give up a talent like AR just to rent Przybilla for the year just to maybe get to the 2nd round of the playoffs. We might just have to wait until free agency to really shore up the back up pg spot or center spot. If Donnie can find something good without giving up real assets, I believe he will, but he won’t make a move just to make a move.

  17. ess-dog

    Also, even though I like Ray, I think being patient and going after Deron or CP3 in 2012 is the way to go, not the Melo route. Those two are worth max money and Melo just isn’t.

  18. totti

    ubi maior
    minor cessat

    facts are DW makes too many mistakes to bring a title
    he missed mozgov choice, he received little for dlee even if at that time it seemed a very good trade

    facts are dantoni plays chandler on bosh, facts are the team run out of gaz

    to those who preech for patience
    i say that our GM can’t afford any more mistakes
    or knicks will never be better than heat or lakers

  19. Z-man

    I think this game was very revealing. We were basically overpowered in the last two games because we don’t physically match up with the Celts and the Heat. When we can’t play either Turiaf or Mozgov, we are a tiny team that cannot win in a grind-it-out game unless we are perfect offensively and the other team is off. Worse, we are going to wear Amar’e and Felton (and maybe even Gallo) out if we keep playing them 40 minutes a game. At some point, we have to protect the investment we made in these guys, especially Amar’e. We have to make a decision: do we sacrifice wins now by playing Mozgov, Randolph, and yes, even Eddy Curry; do we sacrifice some young talent for a sure-fire future HOF player in his prime in Anthony and take the risk that he is coachable (really, all anti-Melo arguments come down to him being uncoachable, i.e. that he would refuse to adapt his game to the needs of the team in a given system,) or do we make some less noteworthy deals to acquire a healthy, servicable defensive presence and a back-up PG? Or do we just let nature take its course and have our star players wearing suits in March and April?

    Think about it: We get manhandled at home by the Hawks, we beat the Hornets w/o West, we succumb to the Celtics w/o Shaq and with a gimpy Rondo at home even after playing a perfect game for 46 minutes, we get blown out of our building in the second half by the Heat. Every unheralded PF and C in the league seems to have a career game against us.

    Yeah, we are fun to watch and all that, but if Amar’e or Felton go down for two weeks or more, we are headed for an 0-10 bender that could easily knock us out of the playoff chase.

  20. totti

    Z-man

    I agree, the path for greatness is steep
    no further mistakes allowed

    btw
    my gallo ahhh my gallo
    i think this michelle has a positive influence
    helping him to put bollocks on the court

  21. david

    I thought the super-small lineup (front line of chandler, williams and Gallo) was a great move by D’Antoni and something teams around the league will use against the heat. It’s not like the Heat are going to dump the ball down to Dampier/Anthony/Howard merely because they are being guarded by someone 5 inches shorter (Big Z, maybe, but still probably not). I could see the Suns putting a Nash, Dudley, Childress, Hill, Warrick lineup against them, or the Hawks running josh smith at center against the heat. If Gallo kept hitting his shots, D’Antoni could have used this in the 2nd half. Against teams without post scorers (and there are a number) I think this might be our way to rest Amare and still score — just have a crazy 3 point shooting team that asks the Chandler/Douglas/Gallo to penetrate and then kick.

  22. hoolahoop

    @22
    I agree.
    Everyone thinks DW is a genius. He got lucky. He cleared cap space (duh), signed the only max free agent he could get (no one else was going to pay Amare max money) and signed a short term contract with a new point guard that no one else was after. If Amare went somewhere else this season would be a repeat of last year.

    2. Alan Houston recently said they will trade some of the jewels for Melo.

  23. Nick C.

    I don’t think we learned anything new last night. It’s just that afteer the last stretch anything seemed possible. As it is they are a good team on the way up, but not a championship team. Nothing wrong with that. It takes time and a piece or two a year. Remember the late 80s Knicks or even the Bulls. So just have patience. As an aside, us it’s a lunatic notion to have Gallo as the focus when Amare and Felton sit?

  24. Spree8nyk8

    totti: Z-manI agree, the path for greatness is steep
    no further mistakes allowedbtw
    my gallo ahhh my gallo
    i think this michelle has a positive influence
    helping him to put bollocks on the court  

    If you could get your boy to play more than 1 half maybe he’d be something.

  25. Spree8nyk8

    hoolahoop: @22
    I agree.
    Everyone thinks DW is a genius. He got lucky. He cleared cap space (duh), signed the only max free agent he could get (no one else was going to pay Amare max money) and signed a short term contract with a new point guard that no one else was after. If Amare went somewhere else this season would be a repeat of last year.
    2. Alan Houston recently said they will trade some of the jewels for Melo.  

    Yeah picking fields out of the draft was lucky too eh? I mean sounds like he might be the luckiest gm in the whole nba, maybe we should hang on to that guy, heck, he’s good luck right? Maybe all the players should rub his head before games….

  26. ltmurray

    Donnie Walsh is the man stop hatin’!

    Sounds like D’Antoni is finally willing to extend the rotation. I’m dying to see more of Anthony Randolph! He had a nice move in the lane last night…shouldn’t the Knicks be hiring like an entire staff of coaches to make Randolph the defensive big we need?

    If some guy made Gallo more quick over the summer, then anything can happen.

  27. Spree8nyk8

    totti: Ehi spree,if my boy gallo put together 2 half
    he’d be larry or mj even lebron!
    at 22!  

    Yeah instead he’s inconsistent and unreliable. And DW picked him so i guess that’s another mistake.

  28. latke

    I honestly think the knicks should go with the length/energy team for the second unit:
    Douglas
    Chandler
    Gallo
    Randolph
    Turiaf/Mozgov

    The offense would be pretty awful, but it’s been awful anyway, and at least right there you have a team that can get stops and force turnovers. Only one guy under 6’8″, and four guys who really get after it on the defensive end (5 if Gallo plays D has he has been the last two games). Most importantly, against the knicks’ SL, teams will get comfortable going to the interior, punishing the knicks in the paint. This lineup would really punish teams who tried to continue with that strategy. Beyond that, by putting a team out there to simply play defense and force turnovers, you lower the expectations put on guys like Randolph and Mozgov who seem to be struggling partly out of nerves.

  29. Michael Cline

    I say we give give AR some more play time and see what he can do. If he still looks clueless, I say we shop him to the Bulls (who are going to be without Noah for awhile). Maybe we can get a pick in return?

  30. totti

    it is christmas time

    the time the hearts fill with goodness,
    so they say

    let’s be grateful to knicks for their fantastic first half
    against an outstanding team
    and again for the entire game with celtics,
    the other leg of supremacy in the east

  31. Frank O.

    Respectfully, there’s a lot of bullshit spewing on this blog today.
    Glad to see one ban.
    But the amount of unsubstantiated, subjective outright bullshit is getting annoying.

    latke: The offense would be pretty awful, but it’s been awful anyway…  

    Seriously???? The offense has been awful???? The offense is ranked in the top 5 in the NBA. What have you been watching???
    They put up more points against the best defensive team in the NBA earlier this week than any other team, and scored almost at will against Denver.

    totti: facts are DW makes too many mistakes to bring a title
    he missed mozgov choice, he received little for dlee even if at that time it seemed a very good tradefacts are dantoni plays chandler on bosh, facts are the team run out of gazto those who preech for patience
    i say that our GM can’t afford any more mistakes
    or knicks will never be better than heat or lakers  

    Are you kidding me???? Did you write this tripe during the summer, save it and wait until the first chance you could get to deliver it???

    This team lost a killer game again the Celts, the best team around, on a last second shot and nearly won it. They fell .1 seconds short! A huge emotional blow for a team populated by 22 and 23 year old ball players. Did you not expect an emotional let down???
    Then they had to play the other best team in the east, with two of the best players in the NBA, and gave them all they could handle for a half, and finally they hit an emotional wall.
    Lebron went off. Then Miami’s utterly sucky cast off-laced team beyond the big three shot out of their minds from 3 pt range.
    Luck???? Come on dude. I need that kind of luck. He’s drafted well, traded better, and this team is way ahead of schedule.
    Again, they start…

  32. Frank O.

    They start two 22 year olds, a 23 year old, their point is 26 and their star is 29.
    There are few teams better situated to compete at a high level for the next eight years, period. And they have the cap flexibility to land another max player or deal for a max player if they need to.
    All you need to do is look across the river to see a team in utter disarray. The Nets have been poorly run and built. That is a team struggling.
    And how about Orlando…? They’re rebuilding again, after only a few years ago having great cap room. They blew it on guys who after two years have not delivered a championship and are in serious decline. And they just got an irregular personality, a guy who brought a gun to the locker room, lied about it, and then tried to joke about it.
    Please.

    All the gloom and doom, the phony prognosticators, who are sitting around waiting for the team to stumble to justify their skepticism, you guys really need to look in the mirror.
    This is a good team with a solid core of young, talented, skilled players. They have some other guys on the bench who have great physical traits, but who also are very young and will take time to develop. Mosgov is a physical freak, as is Randolph. I tell you now, both those guys will be productive players in the NBA, whether with the Knicks or somewhere else.
    But there is this ridiculous, unrealistic mentality that somehow everything needs to happen immediately or it’s a failure.
    It’s myopic and silly, and perhaps reflects more about the person so ready to pounce and make damning judgments about the architects of this team than the architects themselves.
    These are prejudicial comments of people who made up their minds long before and are merely looking for justification for their views.

    Sorry. Rant over.
    I’m not Ted, but I expect people to make substantiated arguments. This kind of crap is a waste of time and space. And, well it pisses me off.

  33. Spree8nyk8

    My only fear is this…..

    I know the arguments against Melo are fairly compelling, but we are only going to get one chance to add that kind of player. And if this team is not the team that is going to be able to compete for the title we need to start building whatever team that is going to be.

  34. jon abbey

    I have trouble giving too much credit to Walsh when the botching of the Lawson/Blair draft is still so fresh in my mind (Hill/Douglas instead, UGH).

    also, I still can’t get his smug interview before the Westbrook/Gallinari draft out of my mind, in which he was obviously sure we’d get Westbrook. if that had anything to do with RW jumping up at the last minute to OKC, then that’s a massive black mark on his record here.

  35. Frank O.

    jon abbey: I have trouble giving too much credit to Walsh when the botching of the Lawson/Blair draft is still so fresh in my mind (Hill/Douglas instead, UGH).
    also, I still can’t get his smug interview before the Westbrook/Gallinari draft out of my mind, in which he was obviously sure we’d get Westbrook. if that had anything to do with RW jumping up at the last minute to OKC, then that’s a massive black mark on his record here.  

    I know you’ve had issues with Walsh’s draft decisions. At least you’re willing to lay those out there.
    I, too, lament the Knicks’ failure to get Westbrook. He would have been a game changer in my view. I’m less concerned about Blair and Lawson than you.

    It’s the vague accusations and assertions with nothing to back them up that just piss me off.

  36. Brian Cronin

    if that had anything to do with RW jumping up at the last minute to OKC, then that’s a massive black mark on his record here.

    If a Donnie Walsh interview had anything to do with OKC jumping up for Westbrook, then I think that’s an even more massive black mark against the record of Sam Presti (“What? Donnie Walsh likes Russell Westbrook? We have to have him, then!”)

  37. jon abbey

    yeah not just that, but Walsh was too forthcoming publicly at that point about his Westbrook lust, and no one had him going higher than NY’s spot at any point before the draft. dunno, that’s the kind of thing that could easily get an opposing GM to take one more look at someone and I thought Walsh conducted himself terribly.

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