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Friday, April 18, 2014

Hawks 99, Knicks 90

New York lost 99-90 to the Hawks, but it wasn’t that close for most of the game. With 3:53 in the first quarter Atlanta led 24-14, their first double digit lead, and they would extend it to 20 with 51 seconds left in the first half. The Knicks would whittle away and went into the fourth quarter down by only 9. They would cut into the lead and a Wilson Chandler traditional 3 point play brought them within 4 with 10:39 to go. But New York ended the game just as they started, unable to prevent Atlanta from scoring.

Late in the game boos rained down the from crowd, and on multiple occasions the announcers noted a lack of effort from the men in orange and blue. Perhaps it was the turkey, as the Gothamites appeared to be overdosed on tryptophan (although scientists now believe it’s the carbs that creates the Thanksgiving snoozes). More than one Hawk errant offensive rebound was not chased down by any Knick. The offense appeared stagnant due to the lack of ball movement. It gave the appearance of laziness, although it was more likely just a bad shooting night (except for Amar’e) combined with a handful of defensive lapses. So the Knicks’ streak ends at 5 games, and New York is under .500 yet again, at least until they face Detroit tomorrow at 1:30.

19 comments on “Hawks 99, Knicks 90

  1. totti

    no turiaf no party!

    AR still buried in the bench.

    My grand father and my oncle going for boards………..

    Ah ah ah

    It must be really hard to be a real knicks fan.
    This was a very important game and the team did not show any sense of urgency.
    And that man on the bench with mustache……………

  2. Abasi

    I think we are entering the same “basketball twighlight zone” we saw with Jefrries. Only this time it is Turiaff: role players who become a centerpiece of the Knicks only because the team plays so bad on defense.

    I feel this will become the norm for the rest of the season and every season for as long as D’Antoni refuses to address the defensive issues: the Knicks will win most of the games against the worst teams and will lose most of the games against the mediocre and good teams, en route to a 30-35 win season without a playoff berth.

    The bad news is that a win against a terrible Pistons team tomorrow (along with the occasional upset when the 3′s are going in in miraculous fashion) will only serve to postpone the inevitable: something needs to be done about D’antoni’s coaching and his stubborn and costly belief that high scoring will take care of the defense.

  3. bob cook

    I wish to comment on the issue of player improvement.

    At the end of each player’s rookie season, would you rather have Channing Frye on your team or David Lee? How about after four years? The difference being, of course, that Lee improved mightily while Frye stagnated. How come? Effort can be part of it but I think most young NBA players work on their games. Perhaps a bigger factor is how developed are they when they enter the league? That correlates with age but not exclusively. So many of us have said don’t give up on Randolph and although Mosgov is 24, he’s inexperienced in top pro ball so he might blossom as well.

    Which brings me to Fields. He already rebounds as well as any 2 guard in the league and with DL’s departure, we need more board strength. He shoots well, passes well, defends well, runs well and has a fine basketball IQ. I often listen to the “foreign” announcers when I watch games on DirecTV and they all talk about Fields and how his level of skill and maturity is remarkable. OK, part of that is to marvel at how all the other teams passed on him but the fact is, they are impressed. Me too. He’s a late bloomer. As a freshman/soph at Stanford, he never dreamed he could even be in the NBA. And Senior year he leads the PAC 10 in scoring and in rebounding from the guard position. What if he improves along the lines of how Lee did. LET’S DON’T BE TRADING THIS GUY.

  4. ess-dog

    @1 and 2,
    Where were you jackals during the last 5 wins? The Hawks had the #4 offense in the league last year and we held them to 99 – nothing to panic over. It actually was a winnable game. We tied them in rebounds and shooting % but inexplicably didn’t shoot our usual amount of threes. We just came out flat after a few days off against a very good team that crushed the Wiz a few days before, really not a big deal. And hell, Turiaf is valuable. He blocks shots and passes the ball REALLY well. He’s also highly efficient. Look up the stats. He’s valuable because it’s a big drop between him and Mozgov/AR.
    It has oh so little to do with D’Antoni so spare us… please.

  5. Abasi

    @4

    My issue is with the Knicks defense. They are consistently ranked at the bottom on defense. It’s pretty obvious the Knicks don’t play good defense. Whose responsibility would that be?

    Whose responsibility would that be if the Knicks enter 2011 10-12 games below 500? High scoring is D’Antoni’s solution to the Knicks’ defensive woes – I say that’s the wrong approach.

    So, please, don’t call me a “jackal” for stating the truth – it’s not fair. As for your specific question: Where were you jackals during the last 5 wins? I don’t know about others, but I was watching the games and feeling that it was fool’s gold. December will tell us who is right and who is wrong. I’m hoping I’m wrong.

  6. BigBlueAL

    ess-dog, the Knicks actually held the Hawks to 43.8% shooting today and shot 47.3% themselves. Like you said the difference in the game was 3pt shooting where the Hawks made 6 more 3′s than the Knicks.

    Abasi, the Knicks came into today 19th in defensive efficiency and actually played pretty good defense today. They lead the league in shot blocks and are 5th in forcing turnovers. Defense is still their biggest problem w/o question but there defense this season has been alot better than in the past few years. No need whatsoever to overreact to losing to the Hawks today.

  7. Z

    @5 Seriously, expectation for this team is around .500 and that is where the team is. D’Antoni is playing to expectation, so it’s a useless time to blame him for coaching the team to mediocrity.

    @ Bob Cook– re: development, I agree Fields is looking special. But Mozgov, yikes! At least Randolph’s flaws are correctable. It’s easier to teach a guy to stop shooting than it is to teach a guy to catch.

    Would like to see Randolph work his way into the rotation in December.

  8. massive

    Anthony Randolph made some (I think 2) nice plays in garbage time. I’m hoping that we’ll see some more of him.

  9. Z

    Yeah– he passed up 2 bad shots in favor of hitting the cutter: first Mozgov, then Fields I think, both for layups. Just what the Career Doctor ordered!

  10. JK47

    Heat fans are already starting with “trade LeBron” talk. On some Heat blogs they’re speculating about what he could fetch in a trade.

    It’s pretty glorious to watch.

  11. Shad0wF0x

    BigBlueAL: ess-dog, the Knicks actually held the Hawks to 43.8% shooting today and shot 47.3% themselves.Like you said the difference in the game was 3pt shooting where the Hawks made 6 more 3?s than the Knicks.Abasi, the Knicks came into today 19th in defensive efficiency and actually played pretty good defense today.They lead the league in shot blocks and are 5th in forcing turnovers.Defense is still their biggest problem w/o question but there defense this season has been alot better than in the past few years.No need whatsoever to overreact to losing to the Hawks today.  

    Even though the Hawks were held to 43.8% FG%, I wonder sometimes about the effectiveness of the blocks and steals. A fairly high steal rate could possibly correlate with a high amount of steal attempts. This could mean that for every successful steal, a missed steal could give the opponent a small 5 on 4 advantage for a couple of seconds.

    The high number of blocks also have to be considered as to how many of them are effective in giving back the possession to the Knicks. Let’s say you block a shot, only to have it blocked back to the opposing player for an easy shot. It’s something that Tim Duncan in particular does very in that he tends to block the ball towards his own man.

    That being said, I like the blocking and steal attempts done by the team. Blocking makes the opponent think twice about running in for the layup. Steal attempts not only increase opponents turnovers (if the steal is successful anyway), but they also deflect balls often. This leads to a disruption in the offensive play of the opposing team.

    I didn’t really see the game but from looking at the box score, the Knicks lost because they only shot 4-15 (26.7%) from the 3. 15 seems like a small amount of attempts.

  12. Shad0wF0x

    In any case, a loss to the Hawks, the supposed 4th best team in the east and currently ranked #4 in terms of conference wins isn’t really a bad thing. A loss to the Pistons today would just piss me off though.

  13. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    I’d give up Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler, and a 1st-rounder for LeBron James. I mean, he’s obvious not a “winner,” so he can’t be worth that much.

    Right? ; )

  14. Abasi

    The Knicks are next to last in Opponent’s Average Points in the Paint this year (next to Phoenix). Last year they were 28th worst (out of 30 teams).

    Teams are just driving to the basket for layups and monster dunks.

    Last year the team was fairly different – but the defense was equally bad. I put the blame squarely on the coach’s shoulders, even though I know making D’Antoni responsible for the Knicks play is not very popular in this blog. At some point, though, we won’t be able to ignore the writing on the wall any longer. Hopefully it will happen sooner than later – as a Knicks fan, I don’t want July 2011 to come with management talking about “starting the re-building process”, because it was supposed to have started 2 years ago, but the bad coaching decisions has the Knicks playing no better that Isiah’s teams.

  15. Abasi

    Too much, Honorable. I’d do Lebron & Haslem (the Knicks always demand that at least one of the players is injured) straight up for Roger Mason & Herb Williams (Riley -taking over soon – wants to be the first NBA coach to use 10 useless centers)

    :-)

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: I’d give up Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler, and a 1st-rounder for LeBron James. I mean, he’s obvious not a “winner,” so he can’t be worth that much.Right? ; )  (Quote)

  16. d-mar

    Brandon Jennings attempted a ridiculous 13 3-pointers last night. 6 of them went in and they did win the game vs. the Bobcats, but 13 attempts by one player, wow.

  17. Z-man

    Is it me, or does the refereeing seem more inconsistent than usual, especially on no-calls for drivers? I watched the replay of Stephen Jackson getting killed on his way to the hoop and can’t blame him for going off (even though he is one of my least favorite NBA players.)

    PS why waste time speculating on LeBron trades? He ain’t going anywhere for at least the next 3 years, and Miami would never trade him here of all places.

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