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Thursday, October 23, 2014

Hahn: Grizzlies/Knicks Can’t Meet On Zach Deal

Yesterday Alan Hahn reported that the possible deal between the Knicks and Grizzlies is dead. Although the deal seemed to “heat up” as the papers caught wind of it, New York President Donnie Walsh called the deal “dormant” more than a week ago.

Knick fans are probably unhappy with the news, as most fans are anxious to see Randolph in another uniform just so that David Lee can inherit the starting role. I put myself in the position that I’d rather see no deal than a deal that hurts the Knicks. Trading Randolph fits with both the short and long term plans of New York, and it’s entirely possible that the Knicks can get a better deal down the road. At worst you’d think the Memphis deal should still be available in February.

There is other thing I noticed in Hahn’s article:

It was the second time this offseason that a chance to move Randolph’s three-year, $48 million contract did not result in a trade. The Clippers had interest in him back in July, but also wanted the Knicks to give up a first-rounder in a deal that would have sent a second-round pick to New York. Walsh said no to that and the Clippers instead traded the second-rounder to Denver for Marcus Camby.

Like myself, Hahn believes that Los Angeles wanted a first round pick in order to take Randolph off New York’s hands. To me it doesn’t make sense that New York would refuse to trade Randolph for nothing in return to the Clippers, then work on a deal for Darko & Marko with the Grizzlies. Given Donnie Walsh’s tenure in the business, it seems to make more sense that the Clips wanted a first rounder instead of Walsh failing to realize that getting nothing for Randolph was a smart deal.

And this from Hahn’s chat:

[Comment From Big Wayne]
If Jamal Crawford has a breakout season this year under Mike D, do you think he’ll opt out of his deal next summer?? Would it be a good thing or a bad thing if he did that??

I think he will, Wayne and if I were his agent I’d advise him to. Jamal is nearing 30 so this may be his only time to cash in with free agency. I think if he has a breakout, all-star type year, he would have to opt out. Now, would Jamal agree to take around the same amount of money (which helps the Knicks payroll) in exchange for a long-term committment? That’s what we have to see. It’s a critical year for Jamal. He has to prove not only that he can consistently score and play defense, but he can be a leader, too.

This is interesting. Let’s just assume that Hahn’s correct and Jamal does opt out. If the Knicks don’t resign him, they’d be saving $10M in 2010. This would leave the Knicks with a hole at shooting guard, unless they can get a good shooting guard in the draft, cheaply in free agency, or as their big free agent in 2010 (Wade?). However Walsh has said publicly that he likes Crawford (on many occasions) so you’d have to wonder if he’d offer Jamal a long term deal to stay.

33 comments on “Hahn: Grizzlies/Knicks Can’t Meet On Zach Deal

  1. TDM

    Personally, I think Memphis is just calling Donnie’s bluff. Donnie said he didn’t like the deal and asked Memphis to sweeten it. Memphis now feigns disinterest saying they are no longer interested in Zbo. Yeah, and I just so happen to have a bridge to sell.

    Memphis has NO LOW POST SCORING or REBOUNDING. Granted, Marc Gasol looks promising, but he isn’t Pau, or Zbo for that matter. We all know the limitations to Darko’s game – he can’t fill the role they need. Warrick and Walker cannot rebound or score like Zbo.

    Donnie needs to tell Memphis to go pound sand, sit back and wait for the phone to ring. I’d rather go into the season with Zbo than to get hosed on another deal, and while doing so, letting the entire league know that the Knicks are still the suckers of the league.

    With regard to the potential suitors that Hahn lists, the best option in my opinion is SacTown. Golden State has nothing to offer, neither does Denver (except a little known guy with an affinity for the cheeba). The Kings could offer Brad Miller and Shareef(er) for Zbo. They both come off the books a year earlier than Zach taking about $17.5 mill off the cap. I’ve always like Miller because he plays with a chip. Reefer is useless, let him be the towel boy.

  2. daaarn

    I’m ok with what Walsh is doing with the zbo situation right now. Last thing we need to do is make either a bad or short sighted deal. Now I’m just waiting for February.

  3. Owen

    Sign Jamal Crawford to a long term deal after next year? After playing at a higher pace makes his stats look better (to some.)This can’t happen….

  4. Captain Merlin

    Sign Jamal Crawford to a long term deal after next year? After playing at a higher pace makes his stats look better (to some.)This can’t happen….

    Indeed, I say let him roam free like the buffalo once did on the middle american plains…That is, however, if we project him to opt out. Personally, I think Crawford is smart enough to realize he likely won’t be able to get more than the final year on the Knicks offer and stay. But then again, where there’s a Chris Wallace, there’s a way.

  5. Mel

    I thinkits not just a 1st year salary crawford would be thinging about .

    he would be 29 still young enough to get a real nice long term contract ….of course with Jay-Z being one of Lebron’s texting buddies , I personally think it would be wiser for the knicks to resign Crawford …maybe long term but with a lower cap # for 2010-11.

    he is a good buddy of Lebron’s and has been for a good while , I remember him giving James tickets to bulls games while James was still a high school phenom…also as apoint guard who is comfortable giving up parts of distributing the ball, spotting up for 3’s and going for his own shot …while not being a ballhog, he is probably the point guard James has been looking for his whole career.

  6. Ray

    As Knick’s fans it seem slike we’re always waiting for something. Marbury to be released, A Championship, Whats going to happen to Z-Bo, will Eddy rebound,is Danillos back okay. It never ends.

  7. Owen

    “As Knick’s fans it seem slike we’re always waiting for something. Marbury to be released, A Championship, Whats going to happen to Z-Bo, will Eddy rebound,is Danillos back okay. It never ends.”

    Waiting for Godot….

  8. Ken "The Animal" Bannister

    Waiting for Godot….

    Who’s this Godot guy? Has Isiah dug up another talented Euro? Can he block a shot?

  9. Lost my Knickers

    i know this is an unpopular opinion, but marbury should stick around until at least midseason. From what i gather hes been on a rigourous workout schedule this summer and of course theres the “contract season” coefficent. Marbury will have absolutely vaulue come February even if he is not playing well and walsh should be able to parlay marbury into a first round pick from a contender looking for point guard help or depth. Remember David lee, balkman, chandler, nate all came from late picks in the first round.
    of course getting rid of zach and/or curry should remain a priority.

  10. DS

    “I read somewhere that Jared Jeffries was looking good in voluntary workouts might be earning time at the 5 this season. That aside, I say its time to ring in the Jerome James era.”

    I hope he is looking good but I’m skeptical. I heard things about his game vastly improving last summmer… then again I think that was David Thorpe so maybe you have a more viable source.

  11. Captain Merlin

    I love how there’s a Jerome James mix that makes him look great. What does that say about youtube mixes?

    That they were likely employed as a valuable scouting tool by Isiah Thomas?

  12. Thomas B.

    Do any of you recall a specific moment early in last season when you just knew that this team was in trouble? Is there a game, play, missed shot, or defensive assignment that you look back at and say, “You know, if not for that X our season could have been very different”?

    For me, it was the November 11, 2007 game against Miami. Miami had started the year 0-5 coming into NY. The Knicks were 2-2 and had played reasonably well in the four games thusfar. The moment came with less than a minute to play in the fourth. Miami has the ball down 1 when Jason Williams beats Stephon Marbury-who had just turned the ball over-around a pick, he takes and makes the go ahead jumper. Ball game Miami.

    I remember feeling disgusted but also very worried. The team struck me as being very fragile and such a mistep could really esculate into something horrible. Something told me that this moment was the nexus point of something very bad to come.

    I was right.

    The Knicks dropped the next 6 games bringing the L streak to 8.
    Isiah sent Marbury home.
    Steph and Isiah have a ugly and public parting of ways.
    The team voted Marbury to the bench.
    Isiah plays Steph anyway.
    The Knicks keep losing.

    The season was dead by game 5. Autopsy performed game 10. Anyone that held out hope of a ressurection saw Boston dash those hopes by creamating the team, and spreading its ashes to the 4 winds on Nov 29, 2007.

    Who would have thought that one missed assignment would snowball into a 23 win season? So I ask you, fellow fans, when was that moment for you?

  13. Thomas B.

    I believe it never came, so much as always was.

    So, it was destined to be a train wreck, nothing could save it? Hard to argue with that. I just think the team was fragile to start with and the mess that followed the loss to Miami cracked the fragile confidence they had. It was never repaired. Clearly, that was when I lost faith, faith and the 179 bucks I spent on NBA League Pass.

  14. TDM
    Clearly, that was when I lost faith, faith and the 179 bucks I spent on NBA League Pass.

    You see, there’s a trick to it. You wait until mid-season when they reduce the plan to $100 bucks. By mid-season I knew it was better to save the money, but my brother and his wife bought it for me for Christmas. Little did they know that it was the gift that kept on taking . . . ugh, the humility. . .

  15. Captain Merlin

    I believe this year will be another in which tossing up that cash will be unnecessary. Maybe if they got Mookie Blaylock out of retirement I’d watch for the novelty…and the sadly better play.

  16. Luke

    I think we jettison Marbury and try to go into the season with the focus being basketball for the first time in a long time .Every year there was always something hanging over this team and a large part of it had to do with marbury. Get rid of him and lets see what a nonsense free year gets us and I think it would be better than we would expect.

    If Crawford has another good year I think we keep him and could possibly get him for maybe a bit more than he is making now . I dont think other teams would see Crawford playing well under D’antoni as inflated numbers either because how do you inflate the numbers of someone who put up 20 and 5 the year before .If anything it would validate them.

  17. Z

    Keeping Marbury gives the D’Antoni/Walsh regime a free pass if the knicks don’t improve this year. Everybody can blame him, effectively buying an extra year for rebuilding.

    No one is calling for Marbury to be waived. If it happens it is because Walsh doesn’t want the distraction…

    But when January rolls around and the Knicks are 20 games under .500, he may wish he had a $20 million kicking bag lying around.

  18. Italian Stallion
    I believe it never came, so much as always was.

    So, it was destined to be a train wreck, nothing could save it? Hard to argue with that. I just think the team was fragile to start with and the mess that followed the loss to Miami cracked the fragile confidence they had. It was never repaired. Clearly, that was when I lost faith, faith and the 179 bucks I spent on NBA League Pass.

    I tend to agree with you on this.

    I realize this group tends to be more stat oriented, but I think there are psychological factors that contribute to winning and losing in tight circumstances.

    It’s very difficult to prove these kinds of things, but some of the time you “just know” whether a player/team is a winner or loser by how they react to some circumstances.

  19. David Pilsner

    That James mix looks awesome. It makes me sad, angry when I think of ‘what could have been’ with that guy.

  20. Captain Merlin

    So it’s been said. Watch him land in Miami, and actually be in shape and “focused” like he says and then team with Dwade, Marion, and Beasley to lead them to another championship…or at least conf finals. Sickening how things seem destined to play out sometimes.

  21. Italian Stallion

    So it’s been said. Watch him land in Miami, and actually be in shape and “focused” like he says and then team with Dwade, Marion, and Beasley to lead them to another championship…or at least conf finals. Sickening how things seem destined to play out sometimes.

    I actually hope Marbury goes to Miami. There is probably enough talent there with the addition of Marbury for them to make a serious playoff run. That would allow both his supporters and critics to get a glimpse of him on a very good team to see how he performs. It’s irrelevant to the Knicks because we aren’t going anywhere this year anyway.

    I’ve always felt Marbury could be a decent contributor on a team where he’s NOT the focus of the offense and isn’t the one that has carry the team and deliver in crunch time. That’s the role he would have in Miami.

    Can his ego handle it or will he self destruct?

    I’ve seen no evidence to date that he can handle a minor role without causing trouble and even less evidence he can handle the major role.

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