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Tuesday, June 18, 2019

Game Thread: Knicks vs Rockets

Time for Mitch to stuff some Harden threes while Mario shows Chris Paul how to run the point….

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51 comments on “Game Thread: Knicks vs Rockets

  1. geo

    I’d be willing to bet harden’s good for another 60 point game tonight, if we can keep it close…which we probably won’t…

    wrote this earlier today, but, it got stuck in moderation hell:

    interesting stuff going on in collegiate women’s basketball…

    first with UNC’s haskell and defining appropriate coaching behavior (Izzo looks like an absolute madman on the sidelines for michigan state)…

    the times they are a changing…older coaches need to continue to adapt…

    also – absolutely love notre dame’s coach mcgraw’s stance on hiring only women assistant coaches…

    sure it’s totally discriminatory, but, sometimes you need to put your finger on the scales of justice/equality to balance things out a bit…

  2. geo

    it’s like a wordsmith game to see if I can post this thought without getting stuck in moderation purgatory…

    Hatchell raises the interesting point of how coaches (particularly older coaches) are forced to adapt to a change in culture…

    McGraw is fascinating in that she blatantly states she has a specific hiring philosophy which may actually be justifiable…

  3. rama got that Fizdale Magic

    I turn on the game, see Mitch alter two Harden shots, block another, slam two putbacks, and get a few other boards…without one play called for him, no lobs, nothing but him destroying everything in sight.

    I also see Lance do Lance things and a bunch of other Knicks just generally suck. Missed layups, turnovers, etc.

    Metaphor for the season?

  4. Owen Post author

    Lance bumbling his way towards the hoop, losing the ball, then giving a superstar shout for a foul. Yeah, this is Knicks basketball.

    Mitch is unbelievable. Totally in Harden’s head.

  5. Owen Post author

    Harden comes back in. We counter with Mitch. Smart. Fizdale is just a good coach.

  6. rama got that Fizdale Magic

    It’s kind of infuriating that draft position has so much influence on people’s perception of players. MRob has plenty of holes in his game, but he’s already SO FREAKING GOOD.

    Thankfully they are finally running plays for him.

  7. Owen Post author

    Mario Hezonja seems to have realized an essential truth that Emmanuel Mudiay never will. When a guard switches on to Mitch, there is absolutely no way to prevent Mitch from catching a pass and dunking…..

  8. Owen Post author

    I am dead serious, Mitch is in Harden’s head. Just missed the rim with a layup attempt with Mitch closing in.

  9. Owen Post author

    Yeah, it’s not crazy, but it’s also not saying much.

    I predict if Farfa makes the effort he’ll do a reclassification of Dante’s circles of hell in order to find space for this game.

  10. abk

    Mitch seems to let a lot of potential offensive rebounding opportunities go. Has guys like Harden on him and he starts walking back as soon as the shot goes up. Go hard for the rebound!

  11. Owen Post author

    He’s probably leading the league in loose ball fouls in the opposing paint per 100 possessions, so maybe it’s just an attempt to stay on the floor…

    This game is an abomination

  12. Grocer

    It is a low bar but he’s for real eyes up and precise. I’ve never seen him be consistent across an entire game at anything before.

  13. supernova

    Wow Hezonja with the triple double! Can’t remember the last Knick to pull that off.

  14. DRed

    Where were you the night Mario Hezonja had a triple double?

    I was on my couch not watching the Knicks game.

  15. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    @Hubert (previous thread)

    I fully understand what you are saying about the Knicks being in win now mode with Durant and Kyrie. At that point, I don’t mind overpaying MONEY because the overpay goes away at around the same time the window on Durant closes. So who cares? But when you are throwing around picks, you are giving away a lot of future value that extends beyond that point. IMO, you have to find a better way to fill out that team than to give up that much future value for Hield unless you are almost certain that player immediately puts you into serious championship contention. The team you laid is very good, but I don’t think it’s good enough with Hield to win the championship or give away the 5th pick & next year’s 1st.

  16. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    Where were you the night Mario Hezonja had a triple double?

    You think maybe role matters in what kind of boxscore stats and how much if each you put up? :-)

  17. supernova

    Knox again with zero assists, this time in 31 minutes. I feel there are so many parts of his game that he has to increase greatly, not just marginally just to become mediocre.

    I think someone posted a while back they predicted he’ll be out of the league before his rookie deal expires. I wouldn’t bet against that at this point.

  18. Grocer

    You think maybe role matters in what kind of boxscore stats and how much if each you put up? :-)

    I think maybe Mario’s best basketball role might be as a distributor. Yes, low bar, not saying much, but still.

  19. Knick fan not in NJ who thinks our rookies will lead us to a lousy lottery pick in 2019

    You think maybe role matters in what kind of boxscore stats and how much if each you put up? :-)

    Is Hezonja actually our best point guard? None of our other point guards have gotten a triple double. He had the best plus minus of any starter tonight. I realize he might have a hard time defending quick guards, but all our other guards except Ntilikina do too.

  20. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    Point forwards put up big boxscore stats and triple doubles because scoring 10+ points is usually a given, rebounds are easier for a big man than a true PG, and if they control the ball a lot and have some passing skills (as Hezonja does), they will have those occasional 10 assist and 10 rebound games.

    That does not mean they are great players or making the team a LOT better just because they fill up the boxscore. It just means they are doing more things as an individual and someone else on the court is doing less play making than usual (the typical PG).

    What really matters is whether the point forward is a better playmaker than the typical PG (or at least the PG on your team). If he is, he’s adding value by also being the playmaker and filling up the boxscore. If he’s not, you should give the ball to a real PG and let the forward have a more traditional role and be a secondary play maker (doing less).

  21. Grocer

    It’s not the triple double, it’s that he played heads up and was Jonny on the spot with the passes inside. His drive and kick was happening too, folks missed a lot of open shots in the first.

  22. geo

    great game between uconn and notre dame…

    clean game, great execution, sharp threes…

    muffet mcgraw is becoming must hear tv…gotta love those “radical” feminists ideals…

  23. DRed

    dennis smith jr had a triple double this season. Granted it was against the Knicks, but still.

  24. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    I’ve been saying for a long time that when I watch Hezonja play, it’s very easy for me to understand why he was drafted so high in the lottery. He has a good handle, can pass well, and can create his own shot almost any time he wants. He’s a very skilled guy for someone his size.

    Unfortunately for him (and us), his decision making is often poor, he doesn’t put the ball in the hoop consistently, and he’s not a good enough defender. That’s a lot wrong.

    I guess it’s not impossible that he puts it all together eventually and becomes a very good player, but I’m not sure I’d want to bet on it at this point.

  25. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    You know who is finally playing well lately and starting to look like he may be an NBA player?

    Justin Jackson for Dallas.

    Gordon Hayward is also starting to ball again.

  26. Brian Cronin

    I think someone posted a while back they predicted he’ll be out of the league before his rookie deal expires. I wouldn’t bet against that at this point.

    I would bet on Knox hanging around. You can’t teach height and he can shoot well enough to have a role off of the bench for nearly any team. Look at how long, say, Vladimir Radmanovic’s NBA career was. If you can be a stretch four, there is a place in the NBA for you. Even if you can’t do anything but shoot decently.

  27. DRed

    @NYPost_Berman

    1 hour ago

    Hezonja has his triple-double – 10-10-10. Knicks down 37.

    I can’t stand Berman but this is fucking funny

  28. supernova

    @42 makes sense, his league average-ish 3 pt shooting is probably what ends up saving him.

  29. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    I think someone posted a while back they predicted he’ll be out of the league before his rookie deal expires. I wouldn’t bet against that at this point.

    Knox is terrible but I made a post a month or two back about how few lottery picks fail to make it the whole four years. Most get extensions of some sort. I suspect some other terrible team would take a flyer on him. The #9 doesn’t command a crazy high rookie salary like, say, Fultz does.

  30. rama got that Fizdale Magic

    Yeah, Knox being out of the league before his rookie deal expires is just crazy. No way.

    He may even be good in two years. Not likely, butt not impossible either.

  31. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    PHX wins which means the Knicks have clinched the worst record in the league. May the draft odds fall in our favor.

  32. Grocer

    Knox’s fourth year will look like Hezonja or Mudiay. Somebody will take a flier, he’ll get a low rent second contract and either bounce around for a few years at the min or head for a stable situation on foreign shores. There’s something like a 15% chance he pulls it together enough to be a valued vet in this league.

  33. Ingmarrrr

    We should congratulate Fiz and the team for a magnificent tank job, beautifully executed throughout. In the remaining 3 games we can finally take the league by storm!

  34. Brian Cronin

    Knox’s fourth year will look like Hezonja or Mudiay. Somebody will take a flier, he’ll get a low rent second contract and either bounce around for a few years at the min or head for a stable situation on foreign shores. There’s something like a 15% chance he pulls it together enough to be a valued vet in this league.

    Jonas Jerebko is in his 10th season in the league. He is a career 34.3% shooter from three. Stretch fours hang around.

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