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Thursday, July 24, 2014

Game Thread: Knicks vs. Magic

The Knicks try and make it two in a row against Orlando, who hopefully partied late into the night last night.

128 comments on “Game Thread: Knicks vs. Magic

  1. Will the Thrill

    Shump can’t stop Reddick at all! Also, his total inability to finish around the rim has always baffled me.

  2. ruruland

    maxwell_3g:
    geezus defense!!!! when did we bring dantoni back?

    A lot of this is absolutely absurd shooting, as much as people won’t want to hear it.

  3. ruruland

    Will the Thrill:
    Right now, but the trend of the last few games doesn’t look good for Raymond at all.

    Yeah, they’ve both been horrible the last 3 games.

    I don’t expect that to last all year. But who knows.

  4. lavor postell

    With Reddick torching us it’s as simple as Woody telling Shumpert not to go over the screen. He’s gotten a wide open look everytime he’s attempted to shoot the passing lane.

  5. massive

    ruruland: Uh, Iman Shumpert’s is worse.

    I saw Shumpert helping out on Nelson after he blew past Felton with ease. Then Nelson passed the ball to Reddick, who nailed a shot on a Shumpert close out. If Felton could actually stay in front of his man (which he can’t), Shumpert wouldn’t look so bad right now.

  6. AnonymousODG

    Bleh, another defensively poor 1st quarter.

    At least we’re not helplessly throwing up bricks.

  7. ruruland

    massive: I saw Shumpert helping out on Nelson after he blew past Felton with ease. Then Nelson passed the ball to Reddick, who nailed a shot on a Shumpert close out. If Felton could actually stay in front of his man (which he can’t), Shumpert wouldn’t look so bad right now.

    His inability to get around screens is quite unbecoming of a defensive ace. If you actually go back and watch players reaction to his plug on that play, it’s clear he was NOT supposed to come of Reddick.

    As great as Chandler has been offensively, we’ve seen Amar’e chase penetration into the paint more than Chandler did in that first quarter.

  8. Will the Thrill

    Wasn’t Shumpert on Korver last game? Didn’t seem horrible.

    ruruland: Yeah, they’ve both been horrible the last 3 games.

    I don’t expect that to last all year. But who knows.

  9. ruruland

    lavor postell:
    With Reddick torching us it’s as simple as Woody telling Shumpert not to go over the screen.He’s gotten a wide open look everytime he’s attempted to shoot the passing lane.

    It’s quite clear by players reactions that Shumpert was supposed to know this.

  10. maxwell_3g

    ruru, i like you man, but please stop comparing chandler’s and stat’s defense….. most of us, if not all of us, are really rooting for stat to improve in this area, but there is no comparison to be made

  11. maxwell_3g

    i dont undrstand this defense. how does a guy try to drive by novak, not get by him, but hes able to kick out to ish smith for a 3 with no one in the area code

  12. d-mar

    Orlando now missing their 2 best players, and we still are putting up no resistance on defense. Not good.

  13. maxwell_3g

    our perimeter passing off the drive and off the double team does not seem crisp tonight. maybe its the spacing that is off. but pass are off target, etc. got to tighten up

  14. ruruland

    maxwell_3g:
    our perimeter passing off the drive and off the double team does not seem crisp tonight.maybe its the spacing that is off.but pass are off target, etc.got to tighten up

    agreed, would also like to see harder drives against rotation.

  15. maxwell_3g

    ruruland:
    Nelson is making some really tough shots, too.

    yeah, nothing felton could have done on that last one. nelon is an interesting player. i dont watch him much, for obvious reasons, and really have no idea how good he really is, beyond his stats. is he better than felton? i could be swayed wither way. he sure looks good tonight

  16. ruruland

    maxwell_3g: yeah, nothing felton could have done on that last one.nelon is an interesting player.i dont watch him much, for obvious reasons, and really have no idea how good he really is, beyond his stats.is he better than felton?i could be swayed wither way.he sure looks good tonight

    he is def. better than Felton, though similar, but a hot/cold player who’s best games are much better than Felton’s.

    Not much different defensively, Felton might be a better penetrator/passer/

  17. Thomas B.

    If you’ve ever wondered what an All-Star game would be like if none of the stars showed up, this is your game.

  18. johnlocke

    Chandlers help defense has been nonexistent for some time now…blocking shots may be slightly overrated and all but when was the last time Chandler had one. His help defense on small penetrating guards is just lazy. He needs to block Ish Smith or Nelson or put the, on their ass. I don’t care about his fouls.

    maxwell_3g:
    ruru, i like you man, but please stop comparing chandler’s and stat’s defense…..most of us, if not all of us, are really rooting for stat to improve in this area, but there is no comparison to be made

  19. Brian Cronin

    Well, at least Reddick finally missed! Either of those misses would have been brutal had he connected.

    In better news, come on, folks, there’s no way that the Magic shoot this well in the second half. The Knicks will likely win this one going away.

  20. ruruland

    Wallace doing a nice job on Lebron, who can’t get a whistle. Bird looks great. That’s troubling.

  21. ruruland

    Brian Cronin:
    Well, at least Reddick finally missed two shots!

    Right, a lot of this is just two good shooters getting really hot at the same time.

    It’s not exactly a layup line out there.

    16 paint points in a half is actually an elite number, especially when paired with 4 free-throws.

    The Pacers lead the league in paint points allowed per game (35.7).

  22. ruruland

    Brian Cronin: You got that right. That sucks that he looks good.

    He fits their system perfectly, in every single way. Not a good man defender or positional rebounder, but he’s a great weakside/rotation player and one of the best big man runners in the game.

  23. ruruland

    I love the shots Chandler’s been taking tonight. When teams double Melo off the ball he has to take that wide open elbow jumper. Absolutely has to.

  24. ephus

    Blatche is showing that he just totally checked out last year. It is a joke that he was on the scrap heap last summer.

  25. maxwell_3g

    OK, im not impressed with tyson’s d today either….but, he hs to be one of the 3 best game dunkers in the league right now, right? that dun on the break was pretty ridiculous

  26. Thomas B.

    johnlocke:
    You said if none of the stars showed up….ahem, Melo

    He did sit for a good portion of the 2nd when the worst of it was going on. I was speaking of that stretch. Plus it doesn’t feel like he’s playing much.

  27. lavor postell

    This is what Miami must have felt like when they played the Knicks without Melo. How many hero shots have Nelson and Reddick hit in this game? J.J. just rose up about 3 feet beyond the arc with Chandler in his face and he drains it. Not much you can do there.

  28. ruruland

    Chandler and Amar’e 14/15 inside the paint. 29 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists. That’s a frontcourt.

  29. Thomas B.

    ruruland:
    Chandler and Amar’e 14/15 inside the paint. 29 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists. That’s a frontcourt.

    You have to take advantage of an awful defensive frontcourt when they come to town.

  30. DRed

    Prigs can even rebound like Tyson. I’m really shocked by how good he turned out to be.

    Well, except for that last shot.

  31. johnlocke

    Why we don’t run that Melo amare pnr more I will never know. I’m not sure how you stop that

  32. ephus

    johnlocke:
    Why we don’t run that Melo amare pnr more I will never know. I’m not sure how you stop that

    You stop the Carmelo aMare pick and roll by blitzing it with three men need shooters on the court with them to make it work. That’s why Novak is out there with them.

  33. johnlocke

    That’s my point…that’s not stopping it.

    ephus: You stop the CarmeloaMare pick and roll by blitzing it with three men need shooters on the court with them to make it work. That’s why Novak is out there with them.

  34. maxwell_3g

    i will say it again. amare is actually trying on defense now, and that is at least half the battle

  35. Douglas

    maxwell_3g:
    i will say it again.amare is actually trying on defense now, and that is at least half the battle

    Also half the battle: knowing

    GI JOEEEEEE

  36. johnlocke

    Conflicted but think I’m rooting for the nets tonight…I still believe in a world where we are in 1st place in the east

  37. DRed

    Now that this one is in the books, I have to compliment John Hollinger for absolutely fleecing Toronto today. The corpse of Rudy Gay for Ed Davis is a coup.

  38. jp82

    Am I the only one having issues with League Pass? The video has been utterly unwatchable, with the video stopping every ten seconds. The league is ripping off loyal customers. I could not watch tonight’s game at all. Total crap.

    And it has nothing to do with my computer or Internet connection. I steam all kinds of video on different devices, and league pass is the only one that causes this trouble.

  39. maxwell_3g

    im just picturing Edwin Starr (or Jackie Chan) singing “Brew!!!! What is He Good For??? Absolutely nothing!!”

  40. maxwell_3g

    jp82:
    Am I the only one having issues with League Pass? The video has been utterly unwatchable, with the video stopping every ten seconds. The league is ripping off loyal customers. I could not watch tonight’s game at all. Total crap.

    And it has nothing to do with my computer or Internet connection. I steam all kinds of video on different devices, and league pass is the only one that causes this trouble.

    ive had that problem. try this…keeping everything plugged in, turn your able box upside down for a second or shake it a little. it works for me

  41. lavor postell

    maxwell_3g:
    guys, im not too impressed.we allowed the washington generals to score 97 tonight

    I’d be more concerned if in the first half Reddick and Nelson didn’t turn into Frazier and Monroe.

  42. jp82

    maxwell_3g: ive had that problem.try this…keeping everything plugged in, turn your able box upside down for a second or shake it a little.it works for me

    Thanks for the advice. Glad we’re all cool with the league defrauding its own fans.

  43. lavor postell

    DRed:
    Brooklyn really getting humiliated tonight.

    It really is pathetic. Reminds me of the death of Linsanity in Miami right before the All-Star break. Nice winning streak but puts things in perspective.

  44. lavor postell

    Three convincing losses to Miami on the season now. I don’t see how anybody can view them as a threat in the East. The Knicks and Bulls are the only teams that can push Miami in a 7 game series.

  45. jon abbey

    lavor postell:
    Three convincing losses to Miami on the season now.I don’t see how anybody can view them as a threat in the East.The Knicks and Bulls are the only teams that can push Miami in a 7 game series.

    the Knicks’ problem will be getting there, especially if they and Chicago end up 2 and 3.

  46. maxwell_3g

    jp82: Thanks for the advice. Glad we’re all cool with the league defrauding its own fans.

    i was actually serious. it has worked for me. i used to get pissed about it but it worked once and has worked ever since

  47. d-mar

    lavor postell:
    Three convincing losses to Miami on the season now.I don’t see how anybody can view them as a threat in the East.The Knicks and Bulls are the only teams that can push Miami in a 7 game series.

    The Nets have maybe 2 impressive wins this season, at OKC and at home vs. the Clips. And I guess you could count beating the Knicks at MSG last time they played. Other than that, they’ve been feasting on the bad and mediocre teams in the NBA. Still not impressed.

  48. AnonymousODG

    JK47:
    Amar’e TS% watch: .627

    He was 7 for 7 tonight, all shots from 5 feet or less.

    That last fadeaway at the top of the paint was not 5 ft.

  49. nicos

    JK47:
    Amar’e TS% watch: .627

    He was 7 for 7 tonight, all shots from 5 feet or less.

    Other than the first couple of games his shot selection has been positively Chandler-esque which is great because there’s very little need for him to be taking 18 footers in this offense. I love that fadeaway he hit in the lane- very Hakeem-like. He also hit a similar shot against Atlanta- it’s really becoming clear just how hard he must have worked in the off-season.

  50. ruruland

    nicos: Other than the first couple of games his shot selection has been positively Chandler-esque which is great because there’s very little need for him to be taking 18 footers in this offense.I love that fadeaway he hit in the lane- very Hakeem-like.He also hit a similar shot against Atlanta- it’s really becoming clear just how hard he must have worked in the off-season.

    The dunk he had from two feet outside the restricted area with a big under the basket was vintage Amar’e.

    These are the kinds of athletic plays he was doing in practice after surgery and during training camp, it was just a matter of getting his conditioning.

    He can be every bit as efficient and prolific (in his minutes) as he was the last few years in Phoenix.

    What’s happened is he’s basically eliminated isolation possessions ( they account for about 5 % of hos total plays) and replaced them with these fantastic post moves that get him a lot deeper.

    Even if he’s lost a little bit of athleticism (which is going to be very minimal because I think he’s going to get even better athletically moving forward), he’s made up for it with the added skill.

    As I said for months, Amar’e had an even better off-season than Melo, who had perhaps his best (and he has had some great off-seasons).

    Had Amar’e not gotten injured,he’d be the comeback player.

    Also, so sick of talking about his defense. A lot of confirmation bias on these boards. His bad possessions are awful, but you shouldn’t judge him on just his bad possessions. His on-ball defense tonight created a lot of problems, and he was great in the trap.

  51. Kurt

    good to know. now i don’t feel as guilty for using first row

    jp82:
    Am I the only one having issues with League Pass? The video has been utterly unwatchable, with the video stopping every ten seconds. The league is ripping off loyal customers. I could not watch tonight’s game at all. Total crap.

    And it has nothing to do with my computer or Internet connection. I steam all kinds of video on different devices, and league pass is the only one that causes this trouble.

  52. Kurt

    “Don’t call it a comeback…”

    JK47:
    Amar’e TS% watch: .627

    He was 7 for 7 tonight, all shots from 5 feet or less.

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