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Tuesday, September 2, 2014

82 comments on “Game Thread: Knicks vs. Bulls

  1. AnonymousODG

    Knicks are playing like complete morons right now. Forcing the action into the paint like stunted morons as if Woodson somehow commanded they not pass more than 3 times in any single possession.

    I refuse to give the Bulls any credit for this right now. We arent setting up screens, we arent passing around the perimeter, we arent even jacking up any 3s at all (something that the more apprehensive of us were getting worried about on being too reliant on), this is ridonkulous.

    GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER GUYS!!!

  2. BigBlueAL

    Thank God the Knicks only have 2 games in the next 9 days. They need as many days off as possible to get Felton/Shump/Sheed back.

  3. Robtachi

    Someone please explain to me again WHY the Knicks let Jeremy Lin walk for absolutely fuck-all this offseason? Everyone, including he himself, knew Jason Kidd could not handle these kind of minutes at PG, and Prigioni is proving what everyone should assume about unproven foreign players – they can’t be relied on.

    The Knicks offense grinds to an excruciating halt missing the penetration that Felton provides. He may suck at shooting, but he at least provides the vague threat of penetration which you have to respect. Instead, the bulls are just sitting all over the Knicks shooters and totally shutting down Melo and JR’s ISO game. There is no hope playing like this unless JR/Melo go unconscious for long spurts.

    Also it might help if the Knicks would, y’know, play some god damn defense.

  4. kram

    I personally don’t think Lin’s 12 points a game / $15M a year is the difference. Lin wasn’t real successful against physical, trapping defenses, ya’ll are throwing the towel….

    Their offense was built on penetration and dish, until Felton comes back they’ll need to rely on JR/Melo and no ball movement.

    In a month they have Felton, Shump, and the world looks a bit different…. They need to get healthy.

  5. BigBlueAL

    Knicks go small to start the 2nd half and Deng promptly gets a steal and goes all the way for a layup.

  6. Robtachi

    kram:
    I personally don’t think Lin’s 12 points a game / $15M a year is the difference.Lin wasn’t real successful against physical, trapping defenses, ya’ll are throwing the towel….

    Their offense was built on penetration and dish, until Felton comes back they’ll need to rely on JR/Melo and no ball movement.

    In a month they have Felton, Shump, and the world looks a bit different….They need to get healthy.

    You just contradicted yourself. If the Knicks offense is built on penetration and dish, then Jeremy Lin is exactly what they need right now, providing what Kidd and Prigioni can’t.

  7. Douglas

    Robtachi: Someone please explain to me again WHY the Knicks let Jeremy Lin walk for absolutely fuck-all this offseason? Everyone, including he himself, knew Jason Kidd could not handle these kind of minutes at PG, and Prigioni is proving what everyone should assume about unproven foreign players – they can’t be relied on.

    I’d rather not. That was one of my lowest moments as a sports fan this sumer and I’d prefer not to revisit it.

  8. AnonymousODG

    Off-topic: I now hate Claire Forlani.

    And this is coming from a huge Mallrats fan. Those commercials are just awful. Like… baby vomit awful.

  9. DRed

    AnonymousODG:
    Off-topic: I now hate Claire Forlani.

    And this is coming from a huge Mallrats fan. Those commercials are just awful. Like… baby vomit awful.

    Finally someone is alive!

    (I meant to comment about Claire, but Melo interrupted me)

  10. kram

    Robtachi: You just contradicted yourself. If the Knicks offense is built on penetration and dish, then Jeremy Lin is exactly what they need right now, providing what Kidd and Prigioni can’t.

    You think this team is better with Lin rather than Felton? Prigs and Kidd should be playing 20 minutes a game, you can’t compare ….

  11. DRed

    Noah’s a really good basketball player. Fucking Eddy Curry-still haunting us after all these years.

  12. Thomas B.

    Relax everybody, even if the team plays like this the rest of the season, we are still on pace to win 23 games.

  13. Robtachi

    Went to high school with Noah, and obviously saw him ball quite a bit. It’s amazing how much he’s worked on his game and how he’s totally reallocated his effort and passion in pretty much all the right ways as opposed to just relying on being bigger and longer than guys.

  14. Robtachi

    Say what you want about the Knicks offense being in disarray… the Bulls are shooting 58% and hitting wide open shots left and right. This defense sucks ass right now.

  15. BigBlueAL

    Looking at the upcoming schedule, I know its still way early in the season too worry much about the standings but for me it is pretty important that the Knicks win their next 2 games considering how winnable they are (home vs Hornets, in London vs Detroit) because when they return from London their next 2 games are home on MLK day vs the Nets then at Boston the following Thursday. If they cant win these next 2 games Im gonna be pretty panicky while watching those division games that follow lol.

  16. BigBlueAL

    Robtachi:
    True or False: The Knicks win these past three games with a healthy Shumpert in the lineup.

    The better question would be if they had a healthy Felton in the lineup.

  17. AnonymousODG

    Im not saying they shouldnt be, but on defense our guys keep getting distracted when players are squaring up on Novak. Chandler, Melo, Smith… they keep losing their own assignment and stumble about in limbo wondering if they have to roll over and help Novak. Not only do they not help Novak, they just leave their own man wide open.

    Strikes me that the problem is a lack of trust.

  18. BigBlueAL

    Knicks and Lakers are the best in the league in preserving their point differential in losses by making late runs to cut the deficit in the final score lol.

  19. Robtachi

    Well, if you saw Novak get overrun on defense like a wounded antelope on the Serengeti as often as they have, would you trust him?

  20. AnonymousODG

    Robtachi:
    Well, if you saw Novak get overrun on defense like a wounded antelope on the Serengeti as often as they have, would you trust him?

    Not like there arent other teams who have a player on their roster who is outmatched and gets picked on. Knicks arent compensating properly at all. Its not just Novak, its also Kidd and Prig and Copeland and Stat.

  21. BigBlueAL

    I guess I just have to remind myself that before the season started if you wouldve told me the Knicks would be 23-13 after 36 games and in 2nd place in the East just 1 game back of the Heat for 1st I wouldve taken it in a heartbeat….

  22. Robtachi

    BigBlueAL:
    I guess I just have to remind myself that before the season started if you wouldve told me the Knicks would be 23-13 after 36 games and in 2nd place in the East just 1 game back of the Heat for 1st I wouldve taken it in a heartbeat….

    Things change, priorities change, expectations change. Sure, we could accept this as a mid-season swoon, but that’s only if we were sure we could expect them to get back to what got them those 23 wins. Watching them lately, I’m not very confident.

  23. AnonymousODG

    I’m going to blame this loss on the game thread being put up late. Not like we need anymore jinxing or reverse jinxing, but yea. >:P

  24. DRed

    Melo did a nice job on offense when it was probably too late to matter, but man did he get roasted by Deng on defense. And Kidd either can’t play point guard at all or has hit a wall already-he was terrible tonight. And I think we saw that Stat can’t play back to backs at all right now. Hopefully that will get better as the season goes on.

  25. BigBlueAL

    Robtachi: Things change, priorities change, expectations change.Sure, we could accept this as a mid-season swoon, but that’s only if we were sure we could expect them to get back to what got them those 23 wins. Watching them lately, I’m not very confident.

    Agree totally. These past couple of weeks have been so frustrating because my expectations rose greatly after the first month and their start allowed me to believe this team really had a special season in them.

    As flukey as their hot start to the season mightve been the fact is it happened and its proof this team is capable of playing some great basketball for an extended period of team. Also in fairness 2 guys who had a pretty big part in that start in Felton and Sheed have been out during this bad stretch and Shump should be back soon too which can only help.

    Its just that it is really hard to trust this team that everything will be OK and they will turn it around soon since obviously as Knicks fans we havent had a team worth trusting since 2000. But for now they probably do deserve the benefit of the doubt since they are nowhere near being 100% healthy with their full roster. As fans though patience is a hard thing to have, at least it certainly is for me lol.

  26. ruruland

    Both teams score 40 points in the paint, Knicks outscored the Bulls 49-38 on 3-pters and free throws, they out-rebounded Chicago 41-39, and they had 7 fewer turnovers.

    Holy fuck.

  27. ruruland

    Raymond Felton is how the Knicks get balanced in their offense, if that wasn’t obvious enough prior to tonight.

    Defensively, a lot of what the Bulls did tonight was due to their confidence against New York creating another great shooting night, and the Knicks showing pretty dead legs on a b2b.

    The Bulls are not substantially better than the Knicks with Felton and Shumpert, but they may have a false sense of confidence of being so at this point, should the two meet in the post-season.

  28. ruruland

    “The 93-94 #knicks went 5-8 over a 13 game stretch also. 99 team same thing. Basketball season is a marathon folks not a sprint.”—someone esle

  29. nicos

    42 minutes for Deng on a night when the Bulls had a comfortable lead the entire second half? I love Thibs but that’s just crazy- I’ll be interested to see how they’re playing in early April let alone the playoffs.

  30. parks

    The Celtics are 5-1 since the return of Avery Bradley. Am I asking for too much for Shump to make a similar impact when he returns?

  31. Brian Cronin

    The Celtics are 5-1 since the return of Avery Bradley. Am I asking for too much for Shump to make a similar impact when he returns?

    No offense to Shump, but yes. Felton is the bigger return for the team than Shump is (not that Shump’s return is not very important, as it is – Shump is great).

  32. nicos

    I do hope Felton has been doing his cardio- he has had a tendency to get a little heavy and play himself into shape. They need to really scale back Kidd’s minutes if he’s going to make any kind of contribution in the playoffs.

  33. nyk8806

    My biggest worry is that we’re assuming that for a large stretch of the season/post-season that Lady Luck (or Father Time) will give us most of our pieces at one time. Unfortunately the cold reality is that we’re a team that’s built to be injury-prone and Woodson will constantly be juggling injuries (and post-injury conditioning/adjustment) this whole season. The gamble is going to be whether we can get the right hodgepodge of guys playing at a sufficient level together for sufficiently long instead of forever lamenting that we’d be a 60 win team “if only ________ was back.” Because __________ is most certainly going to miss considerable time.

  34. Juany8

    Knicks are still 18-6 with Felton, Melo, and Chandler in the lineup, those are the 3 most important players on the Knicks and they simply aren’t that amazing without them. For all of Felton’s faults, he’s the only guy on this team that can consistently penetrate to get good passes, and even though he’s only solid on defense he helps a lot by moving Kidd to the 2. Shump should also allow Kidd to get some rest, and I have hope that he’ll have a strong season, he has some very solid offensive stretches last season, and the Knicks aren’t going to ask him to be the starting PG this time.

  35. Juany8

    On a random note, Klay Thompson and Steph Curry are a really nice offensive backcourt. On a shot making level, they remind me a lot of Kevin Martin and Steve Nash, and I mean that in the best way possible. Curry isn’t as good a passer as Nash, but he’s pretty good, and he has the potential to be passable on defense. Thompson has enough length and speed to be solid on defense too, if David Lee keeps playing like this I don’t see why they can’t make an interesting run with a healthy Bogut. Hopefuly that’s not asking for too much, this will be the second seson ever that Golden State makes the playoffs…

  36. ruruland

    Durant might be having one of the 5-10 best offensive seasons in NBA history. Right up there with any of the all-time greats very best.

  37. maxwell_3g

    ruruland:
    Raymond Felton is how the Knicks get balanced in their offense, if that wasn’t obvious enough prior to tonight.

    Defensively, a lot of what the Bulls did tonight was due to their confidence against New York creating another great shooting night, and the Knicks showing pretty dead legs on a b2b.

    The Bulls are not substantially better than the Knicks with Felton and Shumpert, but they may have a false sense of confidence of being so at this point, should the two meet in the post-season.

    yeah, i dont read a lot into this loss, other than our team continues to refuse to quit. i also think it became clear that white should get a real look for brewer’s minutes until shump returns. ultimately, even the last holdouts should realize how crucial felton’s ability to penetrate is

  38. BigBlueAL

    ruruland:
    “The 93-94 #knicks went 5-8 over a 13 game stretch also. 99 team same thing. Basketball season is a marathon folks not a sprint.”—someone esle

    They immediately followed that stretch with a 15 game winning streak :-)

  39. Brian Cronin

    Hopefuly that’s not asking for too much, this will be the second seson ever that Golden State makes the playoffs…

    Ha! It certainly feels like that, doesn’t it?

  40. Brian Cronin

    I don’t want to just wave away this loss, because it was a bad one, but yeah, in general I agree that the Knicks as built just need to have a full team when the playoffs arrive and they’ll be a tough out in the playoffs. The key, then, for me, is for them to just win enough games to get home court in the first round. So to that extent, Brooklyn is the team that should scare us the most (and I guess if Bradley really has changed the Celtics’ fortunes, then the Celtics as well).

  41. BigBlueAL

    Looking back at that 93-94 season they actually won 6 in a row to get to 32-11. Then they went 4-8 over their next 12 games and were 36-19. They then won 15 in a row to improve to 51-19. Frustratingly as I remember too well they only went 6-6 the rest of the way and lost the #1 seed to the Hawks by finishing tied with them but lost the tie-breaker due to having a worse conference record (also finished 1 game worse than the Rockets which turned out to be an even bigger deal in the end).

  42. Brian Cronin

    I forgot to mention that the biggest thing about Bradley’s re-emergence is that he makes Courtney Lee one of the most attractive trade pieces in the NBA. If they get even a decent big man for Lee, they’ll suddenly look a whole lot better.

  43. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin:
    I don’t want to just wave away this loss, because it was a bad one, but yeah, in general I agree that the Knicks as built just need to have a full team when the playoffs arrive and they’ll be a tough out in the playoffs. The key, then, for me, is for them to just win enough games to get home court in the first round. So to that extent, Brooklyn is the team that should scare us the most (and I guess if Bradley really has changed the Celtics’ fortunes, then the Celtics as well).

    If the Knicks win the division but have the 5th best record even as the 4 seed they wont have homecourt in 1st round. Not impossible since the Heat and Bulls could and probably will finish with better records so the next 2 teams who could finish higher who arent in the division are the Pacers and Hawks. Really hope the Knicks dont fall below the freaking Hawks lol.

  44. Brian Cronin

    The thing about the division is that the worst case scenario is that you play the #5 seed on the road. That’s not exactly scary, ya know? So I still think winning the division is paramount.

  45. nicos

    Brian Cronin:
    I forgot to mention that the biggest thing about Bradley’s re-emergence is that he makes Courtney Lee one of the most attractive trade pieces in the NBA. If they get even a decent big man for Lee, they’ll suddenly look a whole lot better.

    Does Lee even get you a decent big at this point? He’s a pretty good three point shooter and a good defender but he can’t initiate the offense much at all- and with so many teams running multiple pnr sets I’m not sure how much value a two who’s pretty limited to hitting threes is going to have. Especially when you consider how many teams are starved for interior help so it should be a bull market for sellers- Lee’s 27, if you’re a seller at the trade deadline would you rather have him or a late first-rounder? He still has three years left on his deal at a relatively cheap price but he’s still owed over 16 million so not as cheap as a really cost conscious team might like.

  46. Brian Cronin

    The thing is that the Celtics just desperately need a decent big man, and I do believe that Lee could get you someone like that. Someone along the likes of Dejuan Blair. He’d be huge for the Celtics (well, he’d be huge for everyone – as he’s really fat- zing!).

  47. Robtachi

    Understandably glossed over in this turd sandwich of a game was the fact that after a pretty abysmal 72 hours and 12 minutes, Carmelo Anthony did exactly what you hope your superstar, team leader and MVP candidate will do, and totally took over the offensive end of the court when nobody else on his team was stepping up to help. I hate losing like this, to the Bulls, and everything else, but you’ve gotta like that. The guy clearly wants to win above everything else.

  48. massive

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225550/Celtics_Making_Pierce_Available_In_Trade_Talks

    If he’s gone, I no longer worry about the Celtics.

    On a more relevant note, I never thought I would miss a guy with a 46 TS% on a 26.9 USG%. We really need his dribble-drive penetration. If we had November Ray, the Bulls’ defense has to collapse and help on P&R and Melo scores 55 points on open, in-rhythm jumpers. That’s part of the reason D’Antoni is noted for having Thibodeaux’s number; a great P&R attack is extremely difficult to stop when you surround it with great shooters, and it’s unstoppable when you have Carmelo Anthony feeding off of it.

    I’m not really worried as long as everybody is healthy post ASW. As long as we have a seed where we wouldn’t have to play Miami until the ECF, I’m not stressing it. This team’s problem isn’t a lack of talent or effort, it’s health. When healthy, I like our chances against pretty much everybody. How many teams in the league have the answer to all of their problems on their roster? Shumpert answers the perimeter defense problem. Amar’e and Shumpert take shots away from Felton. The P&R and Carmelo Anthony make it so that defenses can’t shut down our offense. JR, Kidd, Novak, and Melo provide floor spacing. Camby backs up Tyson and ensures 48 minutes of solid defense. Sheed fits perfectly with Amar’e on offense without compromising the defense. We still don’t turn the ball over (this is paramount to giving yourself a chance against Miami).

    Not worried at all. Still sucks to lose, though.

  49. jon abbey

    Robtachi:
    Understandably glossed over in this turd sandwich of a game was the fact that after a pretty abysmal 72 hours and 12 minutes, Carmelo Anthony did exactly what you hope your superstar, team leader and MVP candidate will do, and totally took over the offensive end of the court when nobody else on his team was stepping up to help.I hate losing like this, to the Bulls, and everything else, but you’ve gotta like that.The guy clearly wants to win above everything else.

    I think you’re serious here, so let me just point out that Deng outscored him 17-4 in the first quarter and a half, at which point the game was pretty much over.

  50. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, kudos to Melo for coming on late, but it was still a bad game by him. He started the game 1-10, for crying out loud. By the time he started playing well, the game was over. He also looked lethargic as heck to start the game, which was somewhat odd. Unless the stress of all the media attention got to him (which would be fair enough, I suppose).

  51. yellowboy90

    How many lazy passes can kidd throw? It’s like he has been trying to break a record these past few games.

    With the london trip coming up it would be a nice time to incorporate a pg or/and a pf. Give them some major practice time with the team and carry some of the load until Felton, Camby, and Sheed get back. Maybe Pargo and Martin can get a call. I don’t think Kidd can make it at PG. They might as well bring in a pg and start Prigi with Kidd at the two.

    Also, I know white was playing to keep his job but every time he does play he does a pretty good job. He plays decent D and isn’t afraid on offense. He shoots when open, drives when overplayed, and either finishes or makes the correct pass. Maybe it’s just Brewer fatigue but James has looked alright.

  52. ruruland

    Deng outplayed Melo, no question

    . Its always good to give the game a quick second look when the emotionality of its gone. If you do, you’ll see the Knicks started the game with some good defensive possessions that Chicago converted on tough shots.

    The basic mechanics of the Knicks offense are awry without Felton. That gets exploited by great defensive teams. Some of us forgot the lesson we should have learned in the Heat series when Felton went down a few weeks ago.

    But the lack of an offensive threat outside of Melo in combination with some early makes against good defense will lead to funny things happening.

    The Bulls jump shooting was a funny thing, probably won’t happen again for them this year.

    Conversely, those dynamics are deflating for the opponent, and that’s how blowouts happen.

    You have to like the fact that the Knicks don’t give up when many teams would. Melo deserves credit for that.

    As far as Melo vis-a-vis Deng and lethargy.

    His energy was actually good in the first quarter. He went over a screen and got backdoored by Noah… High risk / high reward play. He didn’t get through two screens fast enough and he got beat on a second back door after Chandler did t block his man out.

    Every other shot Deng hit was contested by Melo. But 4 bad possessions resulting in 8 points is not good by any stretch, even in 45 minutes of play.

    Melos energy waned in the second quarter, which you could see on his drives and in transition defense. He only got a two minute break.

    But I thought outside of about 6 minutes in the second his energy was ok.

    The Knicks havent been able to score without him for a food month now, and I think that can wear on a guy physically and psychologically.

    He’ll be fine, but the Knicks will have to win with the defense until Felton gets back. Ultimately, this stretch will prove to be really important in re-establishing it.

    Not time to panic. Amare is going to produce, you can see it.

  53. Brian Cronin

    Not time to panic. Amare is going to produce, you can see it.

    I certainly am not suggesting that he won’t produce, but at the same time I don’t think he did anything tonight to show that he will. I think tonight was likely an aberration (first back-to-back since he returned, right?) but he didn’t do anything tonight that made me think, “Wow, you can tell he is about to return to form.” What did you see in him tonight that made you think otherwise?

  54. ruruland

    yellowboy90:
    How many lazy passes can kidd throw? It’s like he has been trying to break a record these past few games.

    With the london trip coming up it would be a nice time to incorporate a pg or/and a pf. Give them some major practice time with the team and carry some of the load until Felton, Camby, and Sheed get back. Maybe Pargo and Martin can get a call. I don’t think Kidd can make it at PG. They might as well bring in a pg and start Prigi with Kidd at the two.

    Also, I know white was playing to keep his job but every time he does play he does a pretty good job. He plays decent D and isn’t afraid on offense. He shoots when open, drives when overplayed, and either finishes or makes the correct pass. Maybe it’s just Brewer fatigue but James has looked alright.

    White always looks good to me, which is why id rather see Copeland cut. He’s very quick, looks like he can run all day. If he can make open shots he’ll be very valuable. He’ll defend, get to loose balls and he’s the fastest and best open floor finisher on the team.

    He’s got the potential to be a good,rotation player on a serious team.

  55. ruruland

    Brian Cronin: I certainly am not suggesting that he won’t produce, but at the same time I don’t think he did anything tonight to show that he will. I think tonight was likely an aberration (first back-to-back since he returned, right?) but he didn’t do anything tonight that made me think, “Wow, you can tell he is about to return to form.” What did you see in him tonight that made you think otherwise?

    The way he is moving with his back to the basket. His movement on offense gets better every game.

    He was going to throw down a dunk on Gibsonwith his left hand but was fouled.

    He was fouled 3 times on 4 post- ups tonight against elite post defenders. That should tell you something.

    The timing, rhythm, conditioning and explosion each get a little better each game.

  56. Hubert Davis

    BigBlueAL:
    Looking back at that 93-94 season they actually won 6 in a row to get to 32-11.Then they went 4-8 over their next 12 games and were 36-19.They then won 15 in a row to improve to 51-19.Frustratingly as I remember too well they only went 6-6 the rest of the way and lost the #1 seed to the Hawks by finishing tied with them but lost the tie-breaker due to having a worse conference record (also finished 1 game worse than the Rockets which turned out to be an even bigger deal in the end).

    Isn’t that the year we went undefeated in March? Don’t see this Knicks team having that kind of run.

    We have a killer later in the year, too: at Golden State, at Denver, at Portland, at LA Clippers, at Utah, all in 8 days. That’s going to take a good chunk out of our record.

    That’s the frustrating thing: this 5-8 stretch hasn’t exactly come against a challenging portion of our schedule. We’ve lost at home to the Rockets & Blazers, been blown out twice on our floor by a Bulls team w/o Rose, lost to a Celtics team w/o Rondo, lost to the Lakers & Kings away.

    Let’s just get these next three against N.O., Detroit, and Brooklyn and even out our 5-8 record before we head to Boston.

    FWIW, the Celtics will probably be on a 10 game winning streak by then (they have CHA, NO, CHI, at DET, at CLE)

  57. Douglas

    ruruland: White always looks good to me, which is why id rather see Copeland cut. He’s very quick, looks like he can run all day. If he can make open shots he’ll be very valuable. He’ll defend, get to loose balls and he’s the fastest and best open floor finisher on the team.

    He’s got the potential to be a good,rotation player on a serious team.

    To me White was the only Knick with a semblance of anything going on offense for a good deal of the game. He’s a much better driver than Cope, at least.

  58. maxwell_3g

    yellowboy90:
    How many lazy passes can kidd throw? It’s like he has been trying to break a record these past few games.

    With the london trip coming up it would be a nice time to incorporate a pg or/and a pf. Give them some major practice time with the team and carry some of the load until Felton, Camby, and Sheed get back. Maybe Pargo and Martin can get a call. I don’t think Kidd can make it at PG. They might as well bring in a pg and start Prigi with Kidd at the two.

    Also, I know white was playing to keep his job but every time he does play he does a pretty good job. He plays decent D and isn’t afraid on offense. He shoots when open, drives when overplayed, and either finishes or makes the correct pass. Maybe it’s just Brewer fatigue but James has looked alright.

    i dont think its fair to blame kidd. Kidd was not signed to be a primary point guard on the court at any times. thats not the role he has played for dallas the last few years and there is no way that he would play that role for us as a rimary ballhandler at an even older age. The reality is that prigs has not been able to be a penetrater and legit offensive threat.
    personally, i think white has some worth and i dont want to get rid of kurt (he is serviceable and prob a good influence in the locker room). therefore, i say we just play things out until felton and shump are back in the fold. if we feel the need to get a pg for the shot term, i would look at maynor from OKC

  59. maxwell_3g

    ruruland: The way heis moving with his back to the basket. His movement on offense gets better every game.

    He was going to throw down a dunk on Gibsonwith his left hand but was fouled.

    He was fouled 3 times on 4 post- ups tonight against elite post defenders. That should tell you something.

    The timing, rhythm, conditioningand explosion each get a little better each game.

    he did look better last night, but with his defensive liabiliies, he needs to really become an efficient scorer and put up numers, especially with melo onthe bench. his numbers are not good. maybe he will improve, but he has a long ways to go to be considered an offensive force. i dont know if he going to get there. the fact that he almost was going to dunk the ball on one play does not get me excited

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