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Saturday, September 20, 2014

Game Thread: Knicks @ Pacers

Soo…yeah, this hasn’t worked out so well so far.

Maybe the game thread will save it!

47 comments on “Game Thread: Knicks @ Pacers

  1. Brian Cronin Post author

    This is so disturbing. I really thought that they were going to show up tonight. This is so surprisingly shitty.

  2. Robtachi

    Any time the Knicks get the shit beaten out of them (literally and figuratively) like this by the Pacers, I’m always filled with a mix of revulsion and shame, like I’m experiencing the aftermath of a torrid night of binge drinking and poor bedroom decisions.

  3. maxwell_3g

    the talk of our ability to pay melo 30 ore mill than any other team scares me to death. we have suffered long enough. i like melo fine, but i dont want to see him making super max money in his early to mid 30′s

  4. DRed

    The Pacers are significantly better than us and 19-1 at home. I didn’t think we get crushed, but its not that surprising. Look, we’re not as bad as our record, but this team took a big step back this offseason. We need to be realistic.

  5. BigBlueAL

    I totally agree about not wanting to pay Melo his max contract. But the funny part is with this super disappointing season so far the one player whose stature has grown in my eyes and I have alot more respect for now than Ive ever had before is Melo.

  6. max fisher-cohen

    @maxwell_3g

    I’m not sure why we always hear about the total contract value as opposed to the per year numbers.

    If Melo leaves as a free agent, he can get four years at an average of $24 million.

    If he stays, he can get five years at $25.8 million.

    He can add an ETO into his contract if he likes, lowering the risk of the loss of the extra year.

  7. knickster

    Games like this are perfect examples of why we need to consider an immediate rebuild: yes, we will win more and will probably beat the Nets for a ‘respectable’ (by our very low standards) 1-2. But we are not really competitive with the elite teams; we are utterly mediocre, good enough to upset good teams any night, but not good enough to hang with the big boys.

    Should we settle for that or should we risk a shot at greatness by making radical changes?

  8. Robtachi

    I think it’s fair to say that pretty much every Knick has regressed since last year, except Melo. I actually feel bad for him.

  9. Owen

    I feel better for him. A year that makes it glaringly obvious he should leave NYC is the best thing for all parties involved. I feel worse for Chandler.

  10. ephus

    Robin Williams will be meeting Melo at the airport tonight. “It’s not your fault. It’s not your fault.”

  11. Robtachi

    I feel better for him. A year that makes it glaringly obvious he should leave NYC is the best thing for all parties involved. I feel worse for Chandler.

    Why? Obviously injuries and illness have factored into it, but honestly, he has not been the same player for like a year and a half now. At a certain point, my goodwill for him ran dry.

  12. knickster

    Chandler has always been slightly over average. Certainly not worth his salary – but he was sold to New York fans as a star and most are still un-willing to accept that their star is the injury-prone mediocre player they get every game.

  13. Owen

    He came here after winning a title a hoping to win another before he exhausted his prime. And it won’t happen. And they won’t trade him.

    And they have him out there quarterbacking a defense whose second biggest defender is Andrea Bargnani.

    Tyson is a pro but it’s clear how frustrated he is with Bargs’ d.

  14. Brian Cronin Post author

    The Pacers are significantly better than us and 19-1 at home. I didn’t think we get crushed, but its not that surprising. Look, we’re not as bad as our record, but this team took a big step back this offseason. We need to be realistic.

    Yeah, I didn’t even think that they’d necessarily WIN tonight, I just thought that they’d give the Pacers a game, ya know?

  15. Owen

    Knickster –

    Chandler was great his first two years. This year not so much. Yet.

    Knee injury will do that….

  16. maxwell_3g

    woodson is such an ass clown. toure may be able to play 2 minutes tonight, the first night of a back to back. a game that we are losing by damn near 30. fuck this guy

  17. BigBlueAL

    Well its safe to say the upcoming 8 game homestand will define the rest of the season for the Knicks. Cant go worse than 5-3, really should go no worse than 6-2.

  18. DRed

    I hear you Brian. I thought we’d lose by 10 or 12. I’m heartened by Tysons showing. Melo balled his ass off on offense and the glass again. On the downside, we only play 1 guard who can play any D at all and we’re still playing fucking Bargs 30 fucking minutes, so it’s kinda tough to compete with elite teams on the road.

  19. Robtachi

    Chandler was great his first two years. This year not so much. Yet.

    Knee injury will do that….

    I’d characterize last season as spotty. Great at times, at others uncharacteristically pedestrian, though you might partially attribute it to little injuries and things throughout the year.

    What knee injury? Usually a broken bone, even in the leg, means little more than the time to heal up and shake off the rust.

  20. BigBlueAL

    Problem is with KMart and Amar’e potentially each out for awhile with sprained ankles Bargs’ minutes aint going down anytime soon.

  21. Robtachi

    The Knicks are 24th in defensive efficiency even after their “hot streak” and they’ll probably be dropping to 25th after tonight.

    They just suck at playing defense. It’s actually not very complicated.

  22. knickster

    @28 Owen

    I think he has been just slightly above mediocre: averaged 10 points, 10 rebounds with 1.5 blocks on 30+ minutes.

  23. DRed

    Al, we’ve won 7 out of 19 at home. Isn’t it a bit ambitious to say we shouldn’t go worse than 6-2 our next 8?

  24. BigBlueAL

    Look at the opponents during this homestand. They damn well better not go worse than 5-3 and realistically 6-2 should be the goal. I mean they did just go 5-1 with wins in SA and Dallas plus home wins vs Miami and Phoenix. I sure as hell hope they can win at least 5 out of 8 home games when 6 of the opponents are the Nets/76ers/Bobcats/Lakers/Celtics/Cavs. Not to mention their 1st game after the homestand is at Milwaukee. If they are serious about moving up and not just squeaking into the playoffs but getting out of the 7/8 spots to have a serious shot at getting to the 2nd round they need to win at least 6 of their next 9 games.

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  26. max fisher-cohen

    regarding the upcoming schedule, Nets have won 6 of 7 including wins over OKC and Miami, we’ve lost twice to the Cats with MKG doing an amazing job on Melo, and not only were we blown out by the Cavs earlier this year, but they’re playing a little better since adding Deng. The games against LAL, BOS and Philly seem like they’ll probably be wins, but I don’t have any level of confidence against the rest of those teams, especially if Kenyon Martin misses significant time.

    Worst reasonable case scenario, NY loses to LAC tomorrow and then then loses to BRK, CHA, CLE and one of the three likely win games, putting them at 18-31 after a likely win against MKE and loss to POR. If the 6th seed needs 42 wins, NY would have to close out the season 24-10 to avoid MIA and Indy in the first round. Not happening. The playoffs will probably take about 36 wins, which would require an 18-16 close, which even then would be very possible.

    Best reasonable case scenario over the next 10, NY loses to POR, LAC and MIA and then wins the rest, putting them at 22-26, requiring a 20-14 close to get to 42 wins. Still unlikely to happen. Playoffs become probable then though with a close of 14-19 likely earning them a first round beating.

    Thing is, I’ve always seen this season as JR Smith being the major X-factor, and while he’s been playing better lately, he’s also alienated himself to the point where to me, it seems like there’s better than 50/50 chance he’s traded before the deadline. Once you’re outside the Dolan circle, it’s almost impossible to get back in. Without the good version of JR Smith, barring some miracle trade, my feeling is NY won’t make the playoffs. The big question then is just how bad they’ll have to be in order to provoke upper management to make major changes before the deadline.

    Definitely also important to watch Chicago, which is miraculously 4-1 since trading Deng. If they go into tank mode, our odds become a lot better.

  27. BigBlueAL

    I agree the Knicks are no lock to go 5-3 or better in this homestand. Im just saying they pretty much have to. Also I dont think 42 wins will be necessary for the 6th seed considering the 3rd seed right now is basically on pace to win only 42 games. Wouldnt be surprised if 40 or even 39 wins would be enough for the 6th seed. Still pretty pathetic but hey thats all we got to hope for right now lol.

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