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Thursday, July 24, 2014

207 comments on “Game Thread: Knicks @ Celtics

  1. d-mar

    If this game comes down to the last shot and the ball is in Pierce’s hands, I may have to shut off the TV

  2. BigBlueAL

    Congrats to Chandler for making the All-Star team. First time Knicks have multiple All-Stars since 2001 when Houston and Spree made it. First time since 1994 (Ewing/Oak/Starks) Knicks had multiple All-Stars voted by the coaches since Spree in 2001 was an injury replacement.

  3. maxwell_3g

    i swear. pierce could suck againstvery otherteam for a month and then kill us….its frustrating

  4. @Efreeg

    Defensive effort appears to be there early. Always a good sign. Missing wide open jumpers tho has me concerned with how poorly we have been shooting it !

  5. AnonymousODG

    BigBlueAL:
    Congrats to Chandler for making the All-Star team.First time Knicks have multiple All-Stars since 2001 when Houston and Spree made it.First time since 1994 (Ewing/Oak/Starks) Knicks had multiple All-Stars voted by the coaches since Spree in 2001 was an injury replacement.

    How Garnett got voted as a starter over Chandler is baffling.

  6. JK47

    If JR Smith doesn’t start turning it around and start putting the ball in the basket this team is not gonna be very good. Felton has a sub-.500 TS%, Smith has a sub-.500 TS% and Shumpert will probably be lucky to crack a .500 TS%. That’s just too much crappy shooting, I don’t care how rarely you turn the ball over.

  7. Hubert Davis

    Someone please reinstitute the no layup rule tonight. Rondo should’ve hit the deck on that break.

  8. @Efreeg

    the go as melo does., If hes hot out the shoot then they all catch fire. Whatever it is you are rite JK this shooting needs to return to early season form !

    JK47:
    If JR Smith doesn’t start turning it around and start putting the ball in the basket this team is not gonna be very good.Felton has a sub-.500 TS%, Smith has a sub-.500 TS% and Shumpert will probably be lucky to crack a .500 TS%.That’s just too much crappy shooting, I don’t care how rarely you turn the ball over.

  9. maxwell_3g

    chandler just picked up his 2nd. it always goes back to the stupid first foul. chandler decided to get into it with KG when it was obvious he would get called for a foul. stupid fouls bite you in the ars sometimes

  10. maxwell_3g

    @Efreeg:
    the go as melo does., If hes hot out the shoot then they all catch fire. Whatever it is you are rite JK this shooting needs to return to early season form !

    i know tht felotn is historically a bad shooter, but im hoping, with healthy paws, he will be a little more efficient than he was showing before he got hurt. and of course, he should get chandler some more very high pct shots

  11. maxwell_3g

    while knocking on wood, i will say that amare has played pretty decent d over the past few minutes. baby steps

  12. @Efreeg

    lol max. baby steps indeed. ITs an effort thing tho I feel. You kno where ur supposed to be its just if u feel like getting there. And also felton can stroke it as smooth as anyone when he comes out and hits his first one. but the roster as awhole is extreamly streaky which is a huge problem. its not a issue with getting good shots, the shots are decent a lot of the time. sometimes they are just cold and that makes for 70 point games.

  13. cgreene

    Teams beat the Celtics INSIDE. Melo missed a good opportunity there. Shoot jumpers and we will lose. Period.

  14. JK47

    That 2/3 zone didn’t look half bad. It’s one way to minimize the individual defensive shortcomings of Amar’e and Novak and take advantage of their length.

  15. yellowboy90

    JK47:
    That 2/3 zone didn’t look half bad.It’s one way to minimize the individual defensive shortcomings of Amar’e and Novak and take advantage of their length.

    I think it was a 1-2-2

  16. maxwell_3g

    Stat is gassed, but that is what happens when you play real d and really try to rebound. great job by him. he needs to focus on 6 minutes spurts of energy and intensity

  17. Thomas B.

    Somebody needs to call a paleontologist; I think I just saw a Kurt Thomas (Roundballis Oldassis).

  18. cgreene

    maxwell_3g:
    i hate the no melo, no chandler, no stat lineup.its asking way too much of prigs and jr

    Agreed. Woodson is mediocre with rotations at best.

  19. cgreene

    Woodson is playing way too many combinations. Choose something and stick with it. MDA always did the same thing. Hate. Choose a game plan and stick with it.

  20. hegotgame

    Damn. I just hate that Joey Crawford is reffing this game. I F**CKING HATE that dude. Sorry, not super relevant but just airing some frustration, humour me.

  21. JK47

    Too much of Melo and JR taking long, low-percentage jumpers. Those two are a combined 4-19 and most of those 19 FGA were not real good looks.

  22. mr.JayP

    Two things I HATTTEEE the fact that we waste so much time getting the ball to Anthony. It seems like we force it so much just to get him a touch. ISO joe. Meet Iso Melo.

    The other thing. Our defense. Where has thou gone ?

  23. maxwell_3g

    stt looks good, but is there a better matchup in the league for him than sullinger?? this is exactly why he (and all of us) should embrace coming off the bench and battling scrubs

  24. massive

    Melo and JR are shooting us out of this one. We really need ball-movement, even if it’s only lateral.

  25. ruruland

    mr.JayP:
    Two things I HATTTEEE the fact that we waste so much time getting the ball to Anthony. It seems like we force it so much just to get him a touch. ISO joe. Meet Iso Melo.

    The other thing. Our defense. Where has thou gone ?

    they should run a Chandler/Thomas pick and roll.

  26. BigBlueAL

    This has been an ugly ass first half to watch. Awful shooting from both teams then the refs started calling foul after foul for the last few minutes of the half.

  27. mr.JayP

    ruruland: they should run a Chandler/Thomas pick and roll.

    Lol that would make too much sense.

    Like how chandler had rondo guarding him and we STILL couldn’t get him the ball for an easy dunk.

  28. ruruland

    BigBlueAL:
    JR’s teammates instead of calling him Swish need to start calling him Brick.

    It’s a slump. a really bad one. It won’t last forever.

  29. cgreene

    ruruland: It’s a slump. areally bad one. It won’t last forever.

    Really bad slumps = mediocre players. Woodson is misusing him at this point. Prigs should get more burn at the 1 just for ball movement purposes. Celtics perimeter containment is awful.

  30. Nick C.

    Amare is looking better and better.
    I’m going to go out on a limb and state that Boston’s bench is the main reason they are only 20-20

  31. BigBlueAL

    ruruland: It’s a slump. areally bad one. It won’t last forever.

    DRed:
    meh

    Problem is this is the JR we saw all of last season too. His shooting numbers as a Knick have been awful. I give him alot of credit for his effort every game and the fact that he has shown the ability to make some good passes and play good overall basketball and not just be a scorer. But at what point do we stop waiting for JR to shoot like he did in Denver and just accept the fact that in 74 games as a Knick he is a 40% shooter overall and only a 34% 3pt shooter??

    Felton coming back and allowing JR to not handle the ball as much and be able to spot up more should help him alot so hopefully that will start an improvement in his 3pt shooting again.

  32. BigBlueAL

    DRed: If you read a bunch of them you would.

    Yeah Ive read a bunch of them, alot of cursing and stupid stuff tht sounds just like something he would say if you see his interviews he does nowadays. Just cant imagine he actually tweets all the stuff he does, too much stuff that deals with current events that I cant imagine he is always up to date with lol.

  33. Hubert Davis

    I know I’m a broken record, but KG HAD TO get decked on that alley oop attempt by Chandler. I know the game has charged since Oakley & Mason but we have no balls.

  34. BigBlueAL

    Knicks just running up taking quick horrible shots. They seem to have no plan whatsoever on offense right now.

  35. cgreene

    BigBlueAL:
    Knicks just running up taking quick horrible shots.They seem to have no plan whatsoever on offense right now.

    Isn’t this on Woodson?

  36. BigBlueAL

    cgreene: Isn’t this on Woodson?

    Its more on not having Felton right now. Would like to see Prigs get some more minutes right now.

  37. cgreene

    BigBlueAL: Its more on not having Felton right now.Would like to see Prigs get some more minutes right now.

    Cmon. I agree we miss Felton but these lineups and this strategy is horrible. We are better than this team w out Felton

  38. maxwell_3g

    novak’s interior d just sucks. he looks like he is bracing for a high speed car crash every time a guy is driving towards him

  39. maxwell_3g

    maxwell_3g:
    novak’s interior d just sucks.he looks like he is bracing for a high speed car crash every time a guy is driving towards him

    its like he suffers from battered defender syndrome

  40. Will the Thrill

    These refs are not letting ANYTHING go, seems like there is a foul called every possession.

  41. BigBlueAL

    Every time the Knicks seem to be on the verge of making a run to build a decent lead the Celtics immediately answer with a run of their own to regain the lead.

  42. cgreene

    Another rotation decision I dont agree with. Stat is having his best game of the year. The offense completely sucks. Let him run with 4 for a while. If he picks up 5 then fine hold hime out for a while. No reason to take him out w 4.

  43. Hubert Davis

    See? Boston fouls hard. Tyson hit the deck there on what looked like a low bridge. We foul like little girls. They’re parading to the line on touch fouls

  44. BigBlueAL

    Gotta say the Knicks rotations on defense have been pretty spot on tonight. Laying off Rondo and rotating to the actual shooters. Its helped that they have missed some wide open shots but for the most part cant complain about the defense at all tonight.

  45. cgreene

    It’s amazing how we all know how this will end with Pierce isn’t it? It’s forgone. It’s really unbelievable.

  46. er

    I don’t know when woody will understand u can’t ask melo to play point forward for 43 mins efficiently

    BigBlueAL:
    Melo beginning to step it up on offense.Hope he has enough energy to close this game out.

  47. BigBlueAL

    Melo gets a minute and a half rest to start the 4th, immediately re-enters and hits a 3pter. Also JR WTF man lol.

  48. massive

    JR’s bad play is taking place of Felton’s bricks, and Amar’e is taking the place of JR Smith. That’s how I’m rationalizing this phenomenon.

  49. maxwell_3g

    i am not at all in favor of iso melo to close games out…but it is nice to be able to give it to aguy and be pretty sure that he will eitgher be able to create a decent shot or a foul

  50. BigBlueAL

    Offense has grinded to a freaking halt. Its just standing around then give the ball to JR with 10 secs left. If thats the case then just make sure Melo gets the ball in every possession and live and die with him and not JR.

  51. cgreene

    Will the Thrill:
    Why is Amar’e still out? Is there a reason he isn’t in for bad JR?

    Woodson has now gotten in it in his head that JR is like his guy and if he sits him even when he’s playing like crap that he’s giving up on him. JR Smith should not be in this game. The excuse will be that he is in their for D.

  52. flossy

    How badly would JR Smith have to shit the bed before getting pulled. What if he just punted the ball into the 20th row?

  53. Will the Thrill

    That’s pretty embarrassing.

    cgreene: Woodson has now gotten in it in his head that JR is like his guy and if he sits him even when he’s playing like crap that he’s giving up on him.JR Smith should not be in this game.The excuse will be that he is in their for D.

  54. Thomas B.

    In defense of JR, he is getting the ball with like 5 ticks left on the 24. He has to put up something in that situation.

  55. Will the Thrill

    If JR has the ball with under 10 seconds left on the shot clock, he barely EVER passes the ball, even when he is 2 for 15 or whatever he is tonight.

    flossy:
    How badly would JR Smith have to shit the bed before getting pulled.What if he just punted the ball into the 20th row?

  56. maxwell_3g

    massive: It seems JR Smith is to Mike Woodson as Mark Sanchez is to Rex Ryan.

    lets not get carried away. jr is getting stuck with the ball with 5 on the shot clock again and again. the problem is that melo draws the double and they leave kidd and then run at him with impugnity after melo passes him the ball. kidd cant penetrate so that allows the defense to recover

  57. Will the Thrill

    JR’s shot clock beating buzzer beaters are deceiving, as he usually brings it upon himself.

  58. Hubert Davis

    Rondo went up, shot, missed, landed, fell, THEN they blew whistle.

    We blew this when we didn’t extend the 80-70 lead over 3 scoreless C’s possessions. Now the refs are giving it to them.

    Chandler will probably get fouled out by the 2 min mark.

  59. DRed

    Awesome. Dribble for 15 seconds, shovel the ball to a covered Carmelo on the 3 point line with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. Great fucking offense

  60. AnonymousODG

    Never thought Pierce would completely blow the game for his team.

    I thought I’d be happier about it.

  61. BigBlueAL

    I have a headache right now from the stress of the last few minutes, cant even enjoy this win at the moment lol.

  62. DRed

    Ugly win against a Boston team that’s not particularly good, but wins on the road are always hard to come by and Pierce choking was really satisfying.

  63. Brian Cronin

    A few things…

    A. A win in Boston is great. I’ll take it.

    B. JR is in quite a slump, but Woody knows benching him will likely cause even more problems, so I don’t mind it so much.

    C. Paul Pierce horrifically choking at the end of the game was hilariously awesome.

    D. While I am okay with him keeping JR in there, some of Woody’s other strategic decisions are just bizarre. Thomas’s minutes, White starting, not posting STAT, STAT not playing as much period, etc.

    E. I’m on Vicodin right now after a late night visit to the dentist, so I am probably enjoying the win more than normal ;)

  64. nicos

    After JR singlehandedly making this a much closer game than it should have been comes up with the three biggest plays down the stretch with the three and two forced turnovers. Still, he’s really pressing- could it be that Shumpert’s return has him worrying about minutes?

    Also, Amar’e was being guarded by Paul Pierce down the stretch- maybe you could have put him in the post once or twice?

  65. Hubert Davis

    The irony of tonight:

    we were not very good at anything (except rebounding, bizarrely) but we came away with one of our best performances of the season.

    Buck Foston, g’night!

  66. flossy

    er:
    Yep having Thomas in at all was terrible and not enough stat

    I didn’t watch the first 3 quarters–how did Kurt manage a -8 in 1:42?

  67. AnonymousODG

    AnonymousODG:
    Never thought Pierce would completely blow the game for his team.

    I thought I’d be happier about it.

    I forgot… Celtics have now lost 5 in a row and are 2 games under .500 and are still surrounded by that cloud of controversy from Doc Rivers’ tirade over changing how they’re playing otherwise they’d get rid of some guys.

    Now I am MUCH happier about the win.

  68. BigBlueAL

    nicos:
    After JR singlehandedly making this a much closer game than it should have been comes up with the three biggest plays down the stretch with the three and two forced turnovers.Still, he’s really pressing- could it be that Shumpert’s return has him worrying about minutes?

    Also, Amar’e was being guarded by Paul Pierce down the stretch- maybe you could have put him in the post once or twice?

    Yeah that last part was weird. You put Amar’e in presumably for his offense, he is having a pretty good night offensively as it is and is now being covered by Paul Pierce. He shouldve gotten touches in the post down the stretch.

  69. BigBlueAL

    Good point I just read on Twitter, Knicks were getting hosed down the stretch by the refs but they didnt let it get to them. No techs and really not much complaining at all. Kept their composure on the road late in the game, good to see.

  70. flossy

    15 points on 7 FGA, 9 boards, 2 blocks and only 1 TO in 20:28 screams “I’m ready to play a bit more than 20 minutes.” Was it just all the fouls or is there some other reason Amar’e gets so little burn?

  71. DRed

    Chuck just said Jamal Crawford and JR Smith should have made the all star team. Aparenty he hasn’t watched the NBA since November.

  72. AnonymousODG

    flossy:
    15 points on 7 FGA, 9 boards, 2 blocks and only 1 TO in 20:28 screams “I’m ready to play a bit more than 20 minutes.”Was it just all the fouls or is there some other reason Amar’e gets so little burn?

    Doctors told Woodson to limit STAT’s minutes when soreness crept up in his knee after a few games.

  73. nicos

    flossy:
    15 points on 7 FGA, 9 boards, 2 blocks and only 1 TO in 20:28 screams “I’m ready to play a bit more than 20 minutes.”Was it just all the fouls or is there some other reason Amar’e gets so little burn?

    It was foul trouble for the most part- he had to sit most of the regular minutes he would have played in the third. I think it was exacerbated by the fact that Chandler was in foul trouble too- Woodson probably wanted to make sure Amar’e was still available in case Chandler fouled out.

  74. mr.JayP

    As far as stat goes. Lets be honest he’s a liability on the floor playing D. I like the idea of stat playing the 5. I think he can really excel at that position and give Ty some rest to boot.

  75. BigBlueAL

    Z-man:
    OK, we’ve weathered the storm, now time to go on a roll, like 15-5 or some shit like that.

    Look at the remaining 10 games before the All-Star break. Knicks have a very realistic chance of winning 7 or 8 of them. 7 of 10 at home and only facing 3 teams with winning records and they are all at home.

  76. jon abbey

    NY only scored 5 points in the lasr 5+ minutes, very lucky Boston is struggling so much currently. those two turnovers by Pierce were things of beauty.

  77. Hubert Davis

    Brian Cronin:

    E. I’m on Vicodin right now after a late night visit to the dentist, so I am probably enjoying the win more than normal ;)

    Haha! I’ve been on a juice fast since New Year’s Day and I cheated tonight with two generously poured glasses of Oban 18. I’m flying!

  78. Frank

    Re Amare- by far his best performance of the year, not just on offense but defense/rebounding too. 9 boards in 20 minutes is very strong work.

    Don’t look now but in his last 5 games (against sme very good defenses) Amare has scored 64 points on just 32 FGA. He’s not turning the ball over, he’s not going iso- just high quality/efficiency offense now. Like others noted, I was screaming at the Tv for Melo to pass the ball into aare in the post against pierce at the end. Oh well- win is a win, ugly or not.

  79. ruruland

    Frank:
    Re Amare- by far his best performance of the year, not just on offense but defense/rebounding too. 9 boards in 20 minutes is very strong work.

    Don’t look now but in his last 5 games (against sme very good defenses) Amare has scored 64 points on just 32 FGA. He’s not turning the ball over, he’s not going iso- just high quality/efficiency offense now. Like others noted, I was screaming at the Tv for Melo to pass the ball into aare in the post against pierce at the end. Oh well- win is a win, ugly or not.

    Wait until Raymond gets back. I think Amar’e will eventually start again. There’s absolutely no reason he shouldn’t.

  80. BigBlueAL

    ruruland: Wait until Raymond gets back.I think Amar’e will eventually start again. There’s absolutely no reason he shouldn’t.

    I dont think Amar’e will start until Camby and/or Sheed are back. If Amar’e starts then you only have Kurt Thomas as a big off the bench.

  81. massive

    It seems Amar’e is learning defense on the fly with the Knicks. I think I saw Shumpert and Tyson telling him where to be throughout the game. A lot of defense is being in the right place at the right time, and it’s been helping Amar’e a lot. I guess the “I’ve never been taught defense” mantra really does have some credibility.

  82. JK47

    I have to say, Amar’e has been a pleasant surprise. I thought it would take Amar’e a lot more time to get his game together and become a real contributor, but after tonight’s game his TS% is up to .581 and he continues to keep the turnovers under control. He’s looking pretty good out there.

  83. johnno

    These threads are often fun to read after the game is over. How many games have there been this year in which about half of the comments between 80 and 150 are some version of “What the hell is JR doing?”, “Will someone explain why JR is still in the game!?”, “Is Woody even watching the game? PLEASE BENCH JR!”, “NOOOO!!! WTF JR!!!” and then half of the last 20 comments are some version of “JR!!!”, “EARL!!!”, “He’s this generation’s Starks — the lovable knucklehead!” By the way, I am almost always in total agreement with both sets of comments. He certainly doesn’t make things easy…

  84. Kurt

    massive: clearly Amar’e didn’t mean that D’Antoni didn’t preach the importance of defense or have any defensive schemes. Teaching means providing or having others provide individual instruction making it clear how exactly to execute. That is, rather than just get upset that Amar’e isn’t defending and acting passive aggressive about it. Creating a culture of communication on D is supposedly at least as important as any particular scheme used.

    JK47: Even those like Zack Lowe and Jared Dubin who think STAT is the worst defender ever believe that he is one of the most efficient scoring big men of the modern era.

    As I’ve written previously, last year was a fluke year because: 1. Amar’e hadn’t been able to do anything bball related for six months or so because of his back. 2. Horrible point guard play other than during Linsanity. 3. Therefore horrible ball movement that kept him from what he does best: rolls and cuts.

    I think many also constantly underestimate his work ethic. I believe he’s the first to come back so successfully from microfracture sugary. He always stays in phenomenal shape, Other than last We, ia LQya K

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