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Friday, October 31, 2014

Game Thread: Knicks @ Cavs

No Kenyon again tonight so the starters are… (Woodson voice)

“Let’s see, tried Timmy Jr., that didn’t work. Started STAT in the 2nd half v. Boston. I’m not a ‘stats’ guy, but that didn’t seem to work. Cole Aldrich is one of those union thugs so I can’t start him. Beno’s a PG and you can never have two of those at the same time or else the universe collapses. JR’s drunk. I can’t spell Toure’ so there’s no way to write his name on the whiteboard. Tyson’s still hurt, right Tyson? (Tyson nods). Welp, since there’s no one left on the roster, I guess it’s…”

Prigs, you say? Pfft. Prigioni’s a fictional construct. Like Tinkerbell, once you stop believing, he ceases to exist. And as we can see from the above quote, Woodson’s developed a Memento-level case of short (and possibly long) term memory loss, so fair Pablo vanishes, in wisp of smoke that smells vaguely of seasoned Argentinian beef.

You know what to do. Go Knicks!

187 comments on “Game Thread: Knicks @ Cavs

  1. steveoh

    I’d love to see Shumpert get a crack on defending Kyrie Irving tonight. Maybe we’ll see it during one of the million switches. Oh wait, they just switched to Bargnani guarding Irving. Never mind.

  2. dtrickey

    I would have picked this to be a potential danger game for the Knicks even if they hadn’t been playing crap through the first 1/4 of the season. The Cavs have seemed to match up with us pretty well despite how good either side is going the last few seasons. See how we go I guess.

  3. dtrickey

    Actually just read we have won 5 of the last 6 against them so maybe my above comment is an embodiment of my own paranoia about this team. Still………….

  4. Kahnzy

    I’d love to see Shumpert get a crack on defending Kyrie Irving tonight. Maybe we’ll see it during one of the million switches. Oh wait, they just switched to Bargnani guarding Irving. Never mind.

    Who says Woodson never learns

  5. Alecto

    Woodson yelling at Prigs for the blow-by when he was the only person on that side of the court and there was no help d. This coach is Bizarro.

  6. mokers

    Off to a awful start so of course go to the Melo/Stat/Bargs frontcourt and it only gets worse.

    And Woodson of course is amazed that it isn’t working.

  7. coyle022

    having seen not even 10 min of this game, I think it’s safe to say-FIRE WOODSON!!!!

    he’s cooked

    1 pass to 20 foot fadeaways

    foulfest on defense

    STILL no aldrich, bargnani logging all min at C

    just stupid stupid stupid decisions and play, and it falls on the coach. or in this case, “couch”. the man does not coach. he simply travels with the team

  8. KJG

    Phuck Woodson. This guys favorites are bums! This is pathetic. How many games does this happen. Our team is flat out awful. We hit zero shots. We suck. I’m so let down. JR Smith is the worst piece of Shit on this team

  9. BigBlueAL

    Best thing that has happened is all the foul trouble for the starters minus Melo, might force Woodson to play good lineups now.

  10. JK47

    16 free throw attempts in the first quarter? Is this a joke? I can’t even get mad at this shit anymore, I just have to laugh.

  11. domiknick

    Prigs with the nice dish to Stat…and he misses the bunny! Oh wait, he was just padding his stats! Rebound, bucket, and1! Lol

  12. Will the Thrill

    I love when people say Prigioni does more harm than he does good because of his reluctancy to shoot. Like Felton shooting is better.

  13. Donnie Walsh

    the lead for Cleveland is big, man

    Haha. Yeah, we’ll see if Woodson lives long enough in NY to regret that quote. (East Is Big Man should be Woodson’s name, should he ever be adopted by the Sioux)

  14. domiknick

    Lock Bargs in a room and just make him watch Varejao tape. That dude goes and GETS rebounds…whereas Bargs stands around and waits (prays?) for them.

  15. domiknick

    I swear Prigs is the only one on this team who knows how to play basketball.

    He does so many little things. It’s as if he grew up in a totally different country that emphasizes fundamentals and team ball, as opposed to highlights and 1on1 play. Oh…wait…

  16. Donnie Walsh

    No orange unis and no noon start to blame tonight.

    Where’s e “it’s just one game, let’s see how they do on Tuesday” r? (It is Tuesday, after all)

  17. domiknick

    “JR spotting up” and “JR off the dribble” are like 2 different players…I wonder if our coach notices that.

  18. Kahnzy

    You mean when we pass the ball we score more? That sounds like sorcery to me, better go back to iso before our souls are lost forever.

  19. ephus

    As much as I have defended Bargnani, he simply cannot play against this team. Knicks must be +11 since he sat.

  20. KnickfaninNJ

    I can’t watch the game, since I am travelling, but it looks like Prigioni only played 9 something minutes in spite of being one of the only two guys with a positive +/-

  21. Kahnzy

    Waiters would really be a perfect Knick. Cleveland can’t draft for shit.

    What about future 16 time All-Star and future HoF’er Anthony Bennet?

    Sense the sarcasm. You forgot about Tristan Thompson over Harrison Barnes. Say what you want about the Knicks trading away every draft pick they can just because they can, at least we haven’t wasted what picks we keep the way Cleveland has. At least recently anyway…

  22. KnickfaninNJ

    it’s actually amazing we are only down by 8 being outrebounded by 9 and having 13 fewer foul shots

  23. Will the Thrill

    The Amar’e pick and roll is still a very good play to score and initiate ball movement. I am not sure why we hardly ever utilize this. Maybe it’s because of his knees.

  24. Kahnzy

    Is Cleveland a lower Bball IQ than NYK?

    Their fans think so. Cav fans vs Knick fans would be one of the few arguments where each side tries to argue that their own team sucks more.

  25. Kahnzy

    JR Smith is 2 for 10 with 2 to’s.

    That’s alright, I’m sure Woody will properly scold TH2 and Shump for the bad play.

  26. ephus

    1. Force turnover or grab rebound
    2. Get the ball to the front court
    3. Middle the ball
    4. Score easy points.

  27. Owen

    Bargnani gets a ton of wide open shots. He just doesn’t hit them. That is really the conundrum of Bargs and why people dream on him.

  28. Will the Thrill

    Bargnani is so bad nobody even guards him. Wasn’t he brought in to stretch out the defense? Bynum is guarding him at the free throw line.

  29. EB

    A transition basket!

    What’s that? Is it like iso, or 20ft contested fadeaways?

    Its when you beat the other team down the floor, pretty sure its an offsides foul though.

  30. Brian Cronin

    After all the BS, they’re down three and clearly no one on the other team can guard Melo. This game is still well within reach. This doesn’t mean that they aren’t playing like shit, as they are. And it doesn’t mean that they are not a bad team in general, as they are.

  31. DRed

    That’s some good hedging, Cronin. More prigs, less JR, and keep posting Melo and I would be almost optimistic.

  32. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, that sounds about right, mokers. And the Cavs in general are a sub .500 team, so hopefully the second quarter Knicks play the rest of the game.

  33. Will the Thrill

    Boston down 10 to Brooklyn. Looks like they aren’t the juggernaut we all thought they were.

  34. Nick C.

    I’m not sure how much of the comeback was the Knicks playing well and how much was the Cavs bench sucking. But the way the season is going who cares. They are in the game at the half . woohoo

  35. Kahnzy

    Boston down 10 to Brooklyn. Looks like they aren’t the juggernaut we all thought they were.

    Actually made me spit out my root beer with a laugh on that one.

  36. maxwell_3g

    just caught up on DVR. is JR high as a kite? do we need to attach some electric collar on him like he is a dog who cant stay in the yard?? his decision making is unbelievably bad and is just getting worse

  37. Robtachi

    I’m out of town, thank the internet gods for websites streaming the game (or maybe I should curse them). I’ve also got the Kansas/Florida game on mute because I can’t stand listening to Vitale. Kansas is getting manhandled, turning the ball over every possession, and they still move the ball around the half court better than the Knicks.

    Wiggins has hit a couple shots that have made me go “wow, he shouldn’t be playing against these kids.”

  38. Robtachi

    Felton is killing them by staying in the game. JR being rewarded for shitty play at Shump’s expense.

  39. maxwell_3g

    as bad as JR has been, its not like shump has separated himself with his performance for the past few games (at least not in a good way)

  40. Robtachi

    Breaking News! The Melo/STAT/Bargs frontcourt is the defensive equivalent of wet toilet paper.

    Can’t stop shit.

  41. Nick C.

    At least Prigs to Stat is working well. Unfortunately the Cavs come back and score seemingly every time so the three point deficit is eight.

  42. Will the Thrill

    Shumpert is 0-1 thru 11 minutes, does Woodson really know that there is no better option on offense than JR?

  43. Robtachi

    In case anyone was unsure, Kyrie Irving is what a real PG/SG looks like, being that the Knicks have no point of reference on their roster.

  44. BigBlueAL

    Back to hoping Woodson gets fired as soon as the plane lands in NY. Actually dont even let him get on the plane, leave his ass in Cleveland.

  45. nyk8806

    How is it possible that we only have 5 FTAs (or how Cleveland had like only 4 FTAs after 14 the 1st quarter).

  46. d-mar

    Man I could have made SO much money this season, if the Knicks are playing a team with an elite PG, bet the ranch, give the points, it’s an absolute lock ass kicking

  47. Will the Thrill

    Shumpert is going to be traded or Woodson is going to be fired. If its the former I am going to freak out.

  48. maxwell_3g

    breen just asked clyde what woodson is thinking when he has that confused look on his face. that question to clyde had so much promise

  49. BigBlueAL

    Why is Melo in the game?? Take him out, they have a game tomorrow. Plus it would help the Cavs improve the margin of victory to make it possibly so bad that Woodson has to get fired.

  50. maxwell_3g

    im pretty sure that shump is a goner, now that his stock is at an all time low. maybe we can get an awful multiyear contract and a protected second rounder if dolan takes part in the trade talks

  51. Donnie Walsh

    any precedent for an end of third quarter coaching change?

    Yes!

    In 1944, Paul Rozbick, head coach of the Cleveland Browns, was fired after heading into halftime down 45-3.

    It’s time to Rozbicktize Mike Woodson. (Get it done, JD!)

  52. maxwell_3g

    an airball looks better then grazing the rim in a way tat the ball flies off the bottom of the rim out of bounds. shump needs an easy basket

  53. Donnie Walsh

    breen just asked clyde what woodson is thinking when he has that confused look on his face. that question to clyde had so much promise

    How about a “caption contest” here at KB?

  54. MarcusRinaldi

    I’m feeling some philosophical differences with Woodson, time to relegate him to video watching. I’d start saying #firewoodson , but I think the roster makeup sucks and that there isn’t much anyone else could do to make it better. Dark days

  55. Z-man

    Is there a stat called “passes per possession?” We must be last in the league in that stat.

    I can’t take much more of this. Not that a coaching change would matter, but could it possibly hurt?

  56. Robtachi

    It’s almost as if Shumpert’s confidence has been totally sabotaged by an ownership that doesn’t deem developing young talent as important.

  57. yellowboy90

    Well there have been games Melo killed the Knicks with too much ISO tonight he has killed the Knicks with too much passing. It’s sad how many open shots have been airballs and bricks. The knicks create ways to lose. Team ball hero ball its all equals losing ball

  58. maxwell_3g

    I rarely say this, but I cant really find fault in melo’s game tonight at all, at least on offense

  59. coyle022

    When all else fails, start a fire woodson chant

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  60. Robtachi

    Can’t blame this one on Melo. He needs help. Just… anybody useful. How can Dolan continue watching this same song and dance without realizing they need some kind of major roster shakeup?

  61. maxwell_3g

    paul George is a stud. 2 points at the half on 0-4 from the field. taking over in the second half though

  62. MarcusRinaldi

    Can we put a Mr.PotatoHead doll in Woodson’s chair tomorrow and see who does a better job? This team is pathetic, and someone has to be held accountable. Seeing that there is only 3 trade-able players on the team (Melo, Shump, Chandler), he has to go. Bye-Bye Woodson, it’s been.. interesting

  63. Robtachi

    Calling it now, Mills guts the roster preparing for Kyrie Irving’s free agency, he signs somewhere else as the Knicks are the only organization delusional enough to think they ever had a shot at him.

  64. maxwell_3g

    I swear, I will hate every person with a circle goatee that I meet for the rest of my life. all because of this stupid man and his stupid clueless expression

  65. coyle022

    Woodson is horrible and this has to be the lowest point in his NYK tenure. Anyone who thinks this team would at least not get blown out with another coach is just wrong, assuming that coach is semi-competent.

    And Herb Williams, while nothing flashy, would have this team playing better basketball, even if only because they suck so badly right now that it’s almost impossible to do a worse job than Woodson has done this year

  66. er

    It’s almost as if Shumpert’s confidence has been totally sabotaged by an ownership that doesn’t deem developing young talent as important.

    I for the life of me dont understand how Dolan makes Shumperts shots hit the side of the rim. Keep making excuses for him though. Hes shown himself as a valuable piece…….

    Knicks have the worst guard rotation in the league period. Cant win like that. Barg cant shoot anymore so …. Anyhoo just blow it up for assets. Melo and Chandler deserve better and a chance to win. These guys suck.

  67. er

    I swear, I will hate every person with a circle goatee that I meet for the rest of my life. all because of this stupid man and his stupid clueless expression

    Lmao….

  68. coyle022

    Elshan
    December 10, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    I pray to Jesus Christ from Azerbaijan that God would help NYK to go forward and become stronger and stronger and get the championship this season. It would take a miracle for it to happen and God can do it! So, let’s pray together!

    comment from nba.com article about how bad the Knicks roster is

    HA!

    LET’S PRAY TOGETHER, MAYBE THAT WILL WORK

  69. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Who wants the under at 49.5 wins now? Jesucristo this team is fucking terrible, and Bargnani is right there doing the devil’s work.

  70. yellowboy90

    Well last game I had an episode of “That Guy” to pick me up and tonight I had college ball. Its about the little things.

  71. JK47

    All together now:

    Fix the Knicks
    And make them shine
    Get ‘em to win like it’s ’69
    Hittin’ all their free throw and no more shooting bricks
    Time to get it right and
    FIX THE KNICKS!

  72. Robtachi

    Melo was a -18 tonight, despite 29 points on 19 shots and not being guilty of any egregious defensive lapses to my eyes. But he was out there for 39 minutes of this royal ass-pounding, most of those alongside Bargnani, who was a team-worst -22 including several sequences of gawking stupor in the defensive paint. Some evidence that +/- can be more a by-product of overall shitty play than a symptom of it.

  73. Robtachi

    I really wish I could enjoy college basketball this year, but the Knicks having no draft pick really kills it for me.

    Actually, I still think I’ll have more fun watching St. John’s this year than the Knicks.

  74. JK47

    Something something floor spacing something something high percentage on spot-up jumpers something something when the shots start falling something something Melo’s legacy blah blah blah

  75. Frank O.

    I really believe Woodson gets fired tomorrow.
    It just felt bad late in the third, early fourth, like the team was just not responding.
    They need things to changed. He’s lost them. They may like him, but they’re no longer responding to him.
    Bremen said it, the team us supporting him with words, but not with play.
    The Woodson era is over.

  76. ephus

    This loss – for one – is not on Carmelo Anthony. He scored within the offense, moved the ball and rebounded.

    No Knick could handle Kyrie Irving. Shumpert was foolish in picking up two quick fouls. Felton could not stay in front of him. Prigioni was torched.

    Bargnani is a truly awful defensive rebounder. He needs to develop basic skills. When the ball goes up, 1) face the basket,2) box out by making contact, 3) with hands up and elbows wide and 4) jump toward the ball as it comes down.

    JR Smith was in full brain lock mode.

    U-G-L-Y for the second straight game.

  77. JK47

    Bargnani is a truly awful defensive rebounder. He needs to develop basic skills.

    I’m sure he’s really gonna develop a lot since he’s only played about 50 million minutes in the NBA now.

  78. Bruno Almeida

    I’m sure he’s really gonna develop a lot since he’s only played about 50 million minutes in the NBA now.

    and the Knicks will pay 12 million next season to have the privilege of starting a guy who’s 28 and “needs to develop basic skills”

    oh boy, next season is going to be so much fun.

  79. Bruno Almeida

    Also, fire Woodson and promote Prigioni to player/coach, since he’s the only guy who seems to know ANYTHING about this perplexing sport of 10 guys trying to put a ball inside an orange hoop.

  80. ruruland

    Unless the Knicks have someone ready to go, I can’t imagine Woodson lasting one more loss like the one the Knicks had tonight. My guess is he’s already done.

  81. ruruland

    “also, I guess it’s over for the “Melo makes his teammates better”argument, right?”

    I get that you’re trolling me, but you really want to do this right now?

  82. ephus

    If I am coaching the Knicks, I lay down ultimatums to JR Smith and Andrea Bargnani.

    Bargnani, if you fail to contest for defensive rebounds, I will immediately pull you and sit you for the rest of the quarter.

    JR, stupid plays will earn you a seat.

  83. Robtachi

    also, I guess it’s over for the “Melo makes his teammates better”argument, right?

    He can’t make them stop missing wide open shots when he passes to them out of double-teams.

  84. coyle022

    If Woodson had any clue, he would follow this rotation (Chandler included)

    Starting Lineup-Tyson Chandler, Amare Stoudemire, Melo, Shumpert, Felton

    1st sub: Jr for Amare
    2nd sub: MWP for Shumpert
    3rd sub:Martin for Chandler
    4th sub: Prigioni for Felton
    5th sub: Bargnani for melo

    2nd unit looks like Prigs-Jr-MWP-Bargs-Martin

    Bargs and Melo, as the data has shown, are awful together. Stick Bargs with Martin and MWP for defensive assistance.

    6th sub: Hardaway Jr for MWP

    7th sub: Udrih for JR.

    Unit looks like Prigs-Udrih-THJ-Bargs-Martin

    2 pg look, speed, shooting, udrih is weak link but as the 12th man in he only has 2-3 min in him anyway.

    8th sub: Aldrich for Martin

    9th sub: any starter for Bargs or Prigs

    Granted, NBA 2k basketball is much different from real basketball, but the aspect of setting and subbing in by rotation is still present. Winning games becomes automatic for me with this substitution pattern. and sure you can exclude udrih, Aldrich, even Bargs or MWP, provided the matchup is bad and they suck that night. This would give about 2-3 min/half for the end of the rotation guys (aldrich, udrih), and would keep melo/rest of starters fresh. Of course, Woodson is only allowed to play “his guys/CAA players” so this hypothetical rotation will NEVER happen…I understand that…and as mentioned earlier if Udrih/Aldrich are terrible or matchup poorly with opponent, they dont play. With that being said, this rotation is the most logical. Bargnani has no business starting, let alone playing big minutes at Center. its ridiculous. he can provide some punch off the bench against backup 5’s, but to plug him in as rim/protector/tallest rebounder/floor spacer, esp. in the starting lineup, it’s just a recipe for failure, whereas this rotation will at least lead to some success just from the combinations of players that are on the floor together

  85. ruruland

    My post didn’t go through, but I agree with the notion that better rotation management would go a long way.

    Along with a Chandler return and return to the mean for the group playing the worst ball of their respective careers, there’s still reason to believe the Knicks can be one of the 4 best teams in the conference.

    But it’s abundantly clear that a new coach is needed for the majority of these things to occur. Simply judging by the look on Woodson’s face tonight, I’d expect it soon.

  86. Owen

    We just need Chandler back. Things will improve quickly if he is healthy….

    But this is as depressing as I can remember. Ok, it was worse during the Isiah years. But this is within shouting distance…..

  87. d-mar

    Noah, Butler and Deng all out of tonight’s game vs the Bucks. If they don’t play tomorrow, I feel really confident we can lose by less than 15 points.

  88. Donnie Walsh

    and the Knicks will pay 12 million next season to have the privilege of starting a guy who’s 28 and “needs to develop basic skills”…

    Maybe Dolan should call the team he was bidding against and see if they’re still interested?

  89. nicos

    It’s kind of amazing how well Bargnani plays man defense and how poor his help defense is- He locked down Bynum who’s been playing better after a slow start. Of course he was of no help slowing down the parade of players whipping by Knick guards. And he and JR bricking shot after shot sure didn’t help either.

  90. max fisher-cohen

    If Woodson really is fired, it’s amazing to me that he pretty much went through 20 games without changing anything. I know I’ve said it before, but I think it bears repeating. I mean most guys when they sense the axe is approaching begin to experiment. In the year D’Antoni was fired, he started four different PGs (Douglas, Shumpert, Bibby, Lin) and dug deep into the bench with total unknown Josh Harrellson and almost total unknown Steve Novak.

    Woodson, on the other hand, has done pretty much only adjusted in the face of injuries and has gone to the most well known guy each time. It’s not even about veterans. Prigioni is a veteran, and other than the Milwaukee win, our first game of the season, where he played 37 minutes, Prigioni hasn’t played over 21 mins in a game and has averaged under 15 MPG. The same can be said to a lesser extent with Hardaway Jr, who has played well and yet for unclear reasons, Woodson blamed him for the last loss.

    As far as how the team runs its offense and defends, he’s started using Stoudemire (and Martin) more in pick and rolls. That’s the only notable adjustment I’ve seen, and it’s a smart one, but it’s the type of adjustment Popovich makes in the middle of a close game whereas it took Woodson like 16 games of terrible basketball to try it out. When units are playing well, it’s almost as if Woodson doesn’t notice at all and his substitution patterns never change unless it’s Prigioni, Shumpert or Hardaway being pulled for a “veteran”.

    Under normal circumstances, I hate blaming coaches, and I don’t think the main problem is Woodson. However, I do fantasize that Dolan will bring in a coach with the clout to push for a change to the building philosophy (developing players is dumb! LOL!) and culture (greedy and selfish? Here, have a cookie! I love you because by signing you I got to go on tour with the Eagles and open for Aretha Franklin. Tee hee!) of the organization.

  91. MarcusRinaldi

    It’s not that any coach could turn this set of players into title contenders, because lets face it that’s not happening, but the lack of any progress made by Woodson this year since Chandler’s injury, that sums up his talent. Honestly the one good thing he was known for was defense, and he’s not even helping the team out their. His inability to change his ways or try new things is what should get him canned. Also, anyone not named Carmelo or Amare were simply shitting bricks tonight.. Bargnani.. just no.. just no more..

  92. Frank

    I gotta be honest. This team probably wil be respectable with chandler and with Kmart back to playing just when Tyson doesn’t. But I think we are seriously kidding ourselves if we think this team even at its best has even a puncher’s chance against the elite teams in the league. And if we don’t even have a punchers chance, what’s the point of continuing with this “core”?

    It’s time to tear it down. Seriously. Trade anyone and everyone. Fire the coach. Trading Tyson could net us a young player with promise and a draft pick or two in this draft. Trading Melo even for 70c on the dollar would do at least the same (although I agree finding the proper trade partner might be hard- doable, but hard). And I love Shump but it’s entirely possible we’ve all been greatly overrating him. Maybe the best thing is to trade him while he still has value.

    I know this seems like maybe an overreaction but really, it’s not.

  93. ptmilo

    Somewhere in the midst of Austin Carr alerting me that Alonzo Gee was indeed throwing the hammer down yet again this evening, I had the following disturbing thought: If I could have a new owner but it meant the Knicks had to move to Jersey, would I take it?

  94. ruruland

    Great post, MFC. He’s the most stubborn/inflexible coach I think I’ve ever followed in any sport at any level since Dan Reeves in the late ’80s.

    I do think this team can be in better position heading into the playoffs this year than they were last year. but quite a few things need to happen.

    If Melo Chandler and Felton are healthy, a new coach can turn around Shump, and MWP/Jr return to their former selves, along with smarter management of the rotation and some fixes to the defensive scheme, yes, the Knicks can give the Pacers and Heat a very competitive series this year and next.

  95. ephus

    Since I have already made my plea for Patrick Ewing (if Woodson is fired), here is my list of coaches that I do not want to see:

    1. Mike Dunleavy – his last stint with the Clippers combined horrible rotations with horrible play calls.
    2. Lionel Hollins – went to the mattresses to try to keep Rudy Gay. ‘Nuff said.
    3. PJ Carlesimo – I literally believe that there would be a homicide if JR Smith, Kenyon Martin and Metta World Peace share a bench with Col. Mustard.
    4. John Calipari (granted not till next year) – I still remember the travesty of the Nets under Calipari. Nothing about his college success leads me to believe he has the people skills or the tactical acumen to be a successful NBA coach.
    5. Jerry Sloan – Don’t think he is coming back to any bench, but he might be a worse fit than PJ Carlesimo.

    I would also welcome Jeff Van Gundy, Stan Van Gundy or Phil Jackson – particularly because the arrival of any of those gentlemen could only come after James Dolan was permanently ousted.

    This is not a great time to be a Knick fan.

  96. ephus

    Chris Herring writes everyting this board has been saying about Woodson’s refusal to play Prigioni.

    If I recall correctly, the Knicks scored exactly 4 points in transition tonight. When a team is going badly, moving the ball quickly up court to get cheap buckets is quite the tonic.

    Amar’e Stoudamire is getting closer to 2011 form. Good news is that he can still put the ball in the basket. Bad news is that defense is still a fleeting concept. He made a few good plays tonight (two blocks and a couple of steals), but he is frequently out of position and is a turrible defensive rebounder (but not as bad as Bargnani).

    Chicken & egg question with Felton. Is he constantly hurt because he is out of shape, or is he out of shape because he is constantly hurt? As I feared at the start of this thread, the Knicks did not have anybody who could stay in front of Irving. Felton is a tremendous defensive liability right now, as opposed to his usual modest defensive liability.

  97. Will the Thrill

    If Melo Chandler and Felton are healthy, a new coach can turn around Shump, and MWP/Jr return to their former selves, along with smarter management of the rotation and some fixes to the defensive scheme, yes, the Knicks can give the Pacers and Heat a very competitive series this year and next.

    The same can be said for Brooklyn haha hell, even Atlanta. Throw in Detroit, too!

  98. Garson

    I think Woodson should go with Toure’ Murry to start off the game… worse case scenerio pull him after 4 min mark and insert prigs… Best case scenerio – We might enjoy the team a little bit more.

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