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Saturday, December 20, 2014

91 comments on “Game Thread: Bulls at Knicks

  1. Frank O.

    Robert Silverman:
    Is it just me or do they look better WITHOUT Stat?

    I think they are “jelling” as he got injured and as a result it creates that illusion.
    I do think that Amare’s D and rebounding can be a liability at times.
    But his presence offensively is hard to match.

  2. latke

    Robert Silverman:
    Is it just me or do they look better WITHOUT Stat?

    They look better without STAT of recent. STAT who plays some defense, well, we haven’t seen that since the trade really.

    There’s no team I dislike more than the Bulls right now. They’re like the kid whose parents (the sports media) can’t stop talking about how high his test scores are and who really believes he is a little prince. I hope we beat them with scrubs, that the bulls starters play big minutes and still come up short.

  3. Frank O.

    The Knicks had several good games when Billups was out and some bad games when he returned. I think that also was an illusion.
    He wasn’t 100 percent when he was back and when he was out the teams was learning to play together. His return meant the team needed to readjust.

  4. Robert Silverman Post author

    I make the point because there’s a clear pecking order w/the offense w/o him. The goal is to get Melo the ball and/or the open shots for everyone else that come when teams overload on Melo.

    That has alas, turned Amar’e into a spot-up shooter

  5. Jim Cavan

    Robert Silverman:
    Is it just me or do they look better WITHOUT Stat?

    How dare you. The man is 6’10” with a 32-inch waste.

    As my fiance puts it: “Melo is cute, but Stat is sexy.”

  6. Robert Silverman Post author

    Jared Jeffries converting and and-one is one of the signs of the apocalypse on the Mayan calendar

  7. Robert Silverman Post author

    Jim Cavan: How dare you. The man is 6’10? with a 32-inch waist.

    As my fiance puts it: “Melo is cute, but Stat is sexy.”

    My sincere apologies

  8. Robert Silverman Post author

    Jim Cavan:
    Love hearing Marv take a little veiled swipe at Dolan.

    Veiled? He openly called him out for not re-upping Walsh

  9. Doug

    Such disdain in the way Marv says it. He doesn’t call Dolan the Knicks’ owner, but “the Garden chairman James Dolan.”

  10. latke

    here comes the bullshit foulathon. Odds we see Rose get the Dwayne Wade circa 2006 treatment in the playoffs?

  11. elikint

    I’m enjoying watching the game on a special feature TNT is offering

    http://www.tnt.tv/sports/nba/overtime11/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

    it allows you to watch through four cameras at once, including one which seems to watch Carmelo the whole time — a fascinating way to see our star…he works harder than you might think, but there is some lollygagging in there too.

    Knicks hanging in there against the Bulls — top 5 on top 5, mostly!

  12. Jim Cavan

    I’d be curious to see how many games our opponent has actually outfouled us. I know it’s a super cliche homer thing to complain about, but it seems like every time I look at the box score — any box score — we have a lot more. I guess that goes part and parcel with playing “bad defense”?

  13. rohank

    Damn that 2004 playoff roster is depressing.

    This Derrick Brown guy seems to be a decent defender.

  14. Brian Cronin

    I make the point because there’s a clear pecking order w/the offense w/o him. The goal is to get Melo the ball and/or the open shots for everyone else that come when teams overload on Melo.

    That has alas, turned Amar’e into a spot-up shooter

    Exactly, which is why they need to get Billups/Melo totally on board with SSOL, because with SSOL, Melo can maintain his TS% improvement (and hopefully exceed it) without it coming at the cost of Amar’e’s TS%. We worried about them complimenting each other, and so far, they really have not been complimenting each other. It was just that we all figured that if it did not work, it would be Melo who would lose out, but instead it has been Amar’e who has been losing out.

    Luckily for the Knicks, Melo and Billups are so good at their style of play that they are still a good team without their two best players complimenting each other.

  15. elikint

    Also recommend the TNT online feature if you want to watch the Rose/Billups matchup — Chauncey certainly chooses his spots, but he does regularly get out hustled/outrun by Rose. That said, Rose was cold in much of the first half. Billups is one canny vet…

  16. d-mar

    Noah is really, really annoying, sometimes I think he’s channeling Rodman with all that BS clapping

  17. BigBlueAL

    Its so cute seeing the Bulls come out after half-time with Game 7 like intensity. They are going to be in for a surprise come playoff team when their effort and hustle is not greater than the other team’s.

  18. Robert Silverman Post author

    BigBlueAL:
    Its so cute seeing the Bulls come out after half-time with Game 7 like intensity.They are going to be in for a surprise come playoff team when their effort and hustle is not greater than the other team’s.

    If by “effort” you mean “are allowed to foul with nary a whistle being blown” then yes, I agree

  19. latke

    strip strip strip strip brick.

    that wasn’t a charge. Charge means you get to the spot a guy wants to go to before him. Deng was about two feet the the right of ‘melo. There was no body contact… just melo’s arm to the side of deng’s head. which can happen when you get beat.

  20. elikint

    BigBlueAL — I think its more solid D and much better execution than us. 18-2 runs — what the Bulls just dropped on us — are the stuff of champions. Let’s be honest. We can score with anyone but we lack their discipline/poise.

  21. d-mar

    Noah is screaming after every made basket or defensive stop. Chill man!

    I heard someone on ESPN compare the Bulls to last year’s Cavs – great defensive team, one star, flame out in the playoffs? I hope so, I’m starting to really dislike this team.

  22. BigBlueAL

    d-mar:
    Noah is screaming after every made basket or defensive stop. Chill man!

    I heard someone on ESPN compare the Bulls to last year’s Cavs – great defensive team, one star, flame out in the playoffs? I hope so, I’m starting to really dislike this team.

    I wouldnt be surprised if Orlando beats them in the 2nd round. Either Miami or Boston will beat them in the Conf Finals. Unless of course neither Miami or Boston make it that far thanks to a certain team we all know and love lol.

  23. dogrufus

    The bulls are just a complete luckbox team. They’d be nothing if they didn’t get their stupid little 1.7% chance at Rose as a gift from Stern. It’s so completely obvious with the media drumbeat for Rose as the new God of the NBA that the league is desperate to resurrect a dominant Bulls franchise.

    They are a great defensive team but they just get away with so much contact down below and the only loose ball fouls ever called go against us. Boozer just mauls anyone every single play. The offensive foul call in today’s NBA is just utter garbage, these guys aren’t even close to having their feet set and are always still in motion at the point of contact. It’s just a terrible rule that encourages defenders to try to injure the offensive player once he’s in the air.

  24. Robert Silverman Post author

    I said it earlier in the year and I’ll say it again: Rose reminds me of a faster, bigger Stephon Marbury.

  25. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    d-mar:
    I heard someone on ESPN compare the Bulls to last year’s Cavs – great defensive team, one star, flame out in the playoffs? I hope so, I’m starting to really dislike this team.

    The 2009-10 Cavs had 2 players over WS/48 of .140.

    The Bulls have 7.

    Not so sure they’re a “one star” team.

  26. BigBlueAL

    Deng, Boozer and Noah are all better than anyone else on the Cavs last year besides LeBron.

  27. latke

    BigBlueAL:
    Deng, Boozer and Noah are all better than anyone else on the Cavs last year besides LeBron.

    this is true. The better comparison is 2009 cavs. You had a couple guys who were average have their best seasons — Mo Williams, Delonte West.

    Korver = Sczerbiak
    B. Wallace = Asik
    Varejao = Noah

  28. Robert Silverman Post author

    BigBlueAL:
    Deng, Boozer and Noah are all better than anyone else on the Cavs last year besides LeBron.

    And LeBron was/is miles ahead of Rose

  29. BigBlueAL

    Robert Silverman: And LeBron was/is miles ahead of Rose

    Totally agree, I was just saying that I agree with THCJ that the teams dont really compare because this Bulls team has a much better cast surrounding Rose than the Cavs had surrounding LeBron.

  30. d-mar

    BigBlueAL: Totally agree, I was just saying that I agree with THCJ that the teams dont really compare because this Bulls team has a much better cast surrounding Rose than the Cavs had surrounding LeBron.

    I guess the point the ESPN guy was making was the similarities between the Cavs and Bulls regular seasons.

  31. BigBlueAL

    Robert Silverman:
    REALLY starting to hate the Bulls again. Feels like old times

    Could never truly hate the old Bulls, Jordan was just too damn good. I did hate them in 1994 though lol.

  32. BigBlueAL

    Glad Noah might be hurt. Thats what you get for playing him and Deng in the 4th quarter of this game when the Knicks have 0 starters on the floor.

  33. Robert Silverman Post author

    BigBlueAL: Could never truly hate the old Bulls, Jordan was just too damn good.I did hate them in 1994 though lol.

    I have, do, and always will LOATHE Michael “His royal merchandizingness” Jordan. Eff that bastid

  34. d-mar

    Thibodeau may turn out to be one of those coaches like Skiles who squeezes every last win out of a team by relentlessly and constantly pushing his players, but who the players start to sour on after a few years.

  35. Doug

    Robert Silverman: I have, do, and always will LOATHE Michael “His royal merchandizingness” Jordan. Eff that bastid

    I always hated Reggie Miller and Olajuwon more but watching MJ reveal himself as a horrible person in recent years has been satisfying.

  36. latke

    key victory for chicago. A shame they had to run their starters so many minutes. I’m sure thibodeau would have avoided it if there wasn’t so much at stake and if the game wasn’t so close.

  37. endyendy

    I like this game. Amar’e gets some rest, as do many of the starters in the second half, and the bench shows that it can put up a fight against a very good team.

  38. Jim Cavan

    Doug:
    I hope 61-20 is worth Ronnie Brewer’s wrist and Noah’s ankle.

    To be fair, Brewer would have been playing anyway. Maybe they think they can overtake the Spurs for the overall #1, and that’s the rationale. With such a young team, you have to think home court is that much more of an advantage. But still, pretty risky.

  39. Jim Cavan

    … and considering San Antonio just rolled out a starting lineup of George Hill, Gary Neal, Richard Jefferson, Tiago Splitter and Dujuan Blair, I’d say that’s even more of a possibility.

  40. Doug

    I don’t think Thibodeaux’s out of his mind pushing his players full tilt at the end of the season, but no other coach is doing it and that gives me pause.

  41. Doug

    That is to say the Bulls are young enough that it may not hurt them and also securing home court advantage in the Finals could be a motivating incentive.

    Still it does not seem wise to start playing with playoff intensity several games before the playoffs start.

  42. tenebrous

    They wanted to beat NY cause they might c us in the playoffs – what a sham – well at least Skywalker got something of his shot back; extra E forgot how to hold the ball; Pullups holds the ball way too much and was off so DougyFresh had to play; – what a sham – def wanted 9-0 going on but hey such is Life – no team is perfect …

  43. cgreene

    Amare out tmrw too. I personally would feel better if he got some rust off before game 1. He said it was coach decision. Hmmmm.

  44. tenebrous

    Anyone at the game? What is up with all the Bulls Fans?? I thought we were in Chicago … They should have had this one. Btw MDA did not play Pullups and Melody lots at the end cause they were off. Turi had a good game I thought. Fields was also off but played well.

  45. jon abbey

    the Cleveland 2010/Chicago 2011 comparison is an awful one, as stated above.

    also, we’re going to be lucky to win one game against the Celtics. I hope I’m wrong, but I’ll be stunned if it even gets to 6.

  46. Brian Cronin

    Deng played 44 mins, Rose 38 and Boozer 37.

    I can see wanting to play for the overall best record in the league.

  47. Brian Cronin

    Apparently the Spurs dont care.

    I’m thinking they’re not too concerned about the Bulls.

  48. Z

    BigBlueAL:
    Deng played 44 mins, Rose 38 and Boozer 37.

    Not sure about the NBA (it’s been so damn long since I’ve watched the playoffs!), but in MLB the wild card team often plays well in the Divisional series because they’ve had to grind it out for 162 games just to get in. It’s the “well rested” teams that clinch early that come out flat. So maybe the Bulls have it figured out (the old “I’ll sleep when I’m dead mentality”…)

    Or the case of Joakim Noah “I’ll sleep when I break my ankle”

  49. Brian Cronin

    If you guys missed it, you should check out Norm MacDonald’s new Sports Show on Comedy Central. Blake Griffin had a hilarious taped appearance (where he pretends to be MacDonald under cover as Griffin). Griffin was surprisingly good as a comedic actor. DeAndre Jordan was also surprisingly good in the piece as the straight man to Griffin’s antics.

  50. endyendy

    The media love affair with Gallo and Chandler as of late is getting somewhat ridiculous as it’s coming from the same people who referred to them as a “pu-pu platter” that Denver would never accept in a trade for Melo unless forced. I hate to say they just like to complain about New York but… I think they just like to complain about New York.

  51. Brian Cronin

    What media love affair with Gallo and Chandler (I don’t mean to suggest it isn’t there, I just don’t know what you’re referring to specifically)?

  52. endyendy

    Brian Cronin:
    What media love affair with Gallo and Chandler (I don’t mean to suggest it isn’t there, I just don’t know what you’re referring to specifically)?

    Well I’m overstating it for lack of anything else to do while I wait for FedEx, but I have seen a lot more love for the players the Knicks gave up, those two in particular. The ESPN 5-on-5 today is a good example.

  53. SangaD

    for 2 quaters last nite we played playoff ball. till the bulls realised we had no interior and locked up the perimiter on the bright side a redirect should ensure a better 3rd. the knicks look great that loss was not a real reflection of what we could do. I realise that a shooter should stay loose and comfortable but why is anthony smiling all the time sometimes i just wish a little bit of KG or better yet perkins could be infused in this squads’ personality. u get the feeling they think they’ve done enough. in the grand scheme of things they have, but winning and losing is attitude. cut the smiles the gold teeth and raider hats.

  54. SangaD

    for 2 quaters last nite we played playoff ball. till the bulls realised we had no interior and locked up the perimiter on the bright side a redirect should ensure a better 3rd. the knicks look great that loss was not a real reflection of what we could do. I realise that a shooter should stay loose and comfortable but why is anthony smiling all the time sometimes i just wish a little bit of KG or better yet perkins could be infused in this squads’ personality. u get the feeling they think they’ve done enough. in the grand scheme of things they have, but winning and losing is attitude. cut the smiles the gold teeth and raider hats.

  55. Jafa

    SangaD,

    You are this upset about Melo’s attitude in a meaningless game? I guess you are going to be losing your mind tonight when our back-ups don’t have a “KG or Perkins scowl” as the play another meaningless game.

  56. SangaD

    it wasnt only last nite and ur right it wasnt the game to be intense. i love the knicks not because of but despite ……. i think attitude makes up for your shortcomings. hes always smiling while im bitchin, guess thats why he pro.

  57. endyendy

    Doug:
    Ugh. The last person whose personality I would infuse into the Knicks is Garnett.

    I’d have to agree, for the most part. While the intensity is nice, I’ll take a little smiling over barking at the little people and slapping guys in the back of the head when they aren’t looking.

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