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Tuesday, December 23, 2014

Game Thread 2012: Preseason vs Nets

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173 comments on “Game Thread 2012: Preseason vs Nets

  1. daJudge

    Knicks sign Novak—is he the kind of guy that thrives in this offense? That’s one of those contextual issues. From reading the junk, he’s really quite the three point specialist. Could be a sneaky cool signing. He’ll get his looks if he can do anything else on the court. Deron is giving me the yips tonight. I think the results of this game mean more to the Nets. I hope Toney has a nice game, which I expect. I am really looking forward to the distorted and yet heavily nuanced Melo Point3 Experience. Maybe we will see some of it tonight.

  2. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    Since Jeffries n’ Ball Wilker are out tonight, that means…more JORTS!

    Commence rejoicing!

  3. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    Spree8nyk8: how bad is walker hurt?

    Not much has been written about it, but they’ve been referring to his injury as a “pulled groin” for a few weeks now. Those injuries can linger.

  4. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Camby’s shoes. ;)

    And as much as I’d love to believe in the Balkman, I have to see D’Antoni play him in a regular game before I can truly believe.

  5. rohank

    I keep trying to post a link to the game for some people for whom league pass isn’t working etc., but the comment doesn’t seem to be going through. Does KB now detect feeds and block them?

  6. Owen

    Balkman will never get serious run….

    Although, if he could get behind Chandler perhaps he is starting to see the light….

  7. danvt

    I think the Knicks need to find Chandler in the post a few times just to keep the defense honest. He’s gotta have something more than put backs, right?

  8. rohank

    Clyde is so awkward sometimes.

    But yeah – idk why Humphries is getting booed. If anything, we should all feel bad for him.

  9. Mike R

    The top 25 knicks moments of 10-11 on msg at 6 before the game was awesome. Anyone catch it? A lot of wil chandler throwing it down on everyone. that reverse dunk he had on javale mcgee last year wass obsurd. what are the chances we can get him back one day to be the 6th man and lead scorer off the bench who can play the 2,3,4. Any shot that happens after this season? Would he take mle?

  10. danvt

    I admit it. I’m really stupid to think Carmelo is an elite ball player. We should get a better passer who doesn’t need the ball in his hands so much. 6-11 for 18, 2-4 from 3pt but only eight rebounds.

  11. Spree8nyk8

    I don’t think WC will be back, he can get a major payday from denver, it might be his only shot at getting a major payday.

  12. rohank

    I love how every time amare goes to the rim, he yells “AND ONE!” To be fair, he prolly IS getting hacked every time

  13. Business Socks

    Toney showing some life, and we also have to remember that Deron has been guarding him for the majority of his minutes this preseason. I’m sure that has had an effect on his play.

  14. SeeWhyDee77

    3 quick observations from tonight’s game.
    1. I have obviously overrated Douglas’ defense. He looks really sloppy tonite. So I will say this until he proves me right: Douglas can be a great defender at the point of attack. He seems to be letting his aggression on defense numb his brain. I kno Deron Williams is a world class PG, but he’s gettin what he wants off of Douglas. Mayb Douglas just doesn’t study opposing PG’s enough. Or he’s foolish enough to believe athletic ability is enough to play great D.
    2. Chandler is gonna be HUGE for us if we can keep him healthy.
    3. Melo is really good. And Jorts needs to be in the rotation.

    Maybe Balkman takes Jeffries’ spot. They’re essentially the same player, but Rey seems to be better on offense. Hmmm…
    Ok I lied that was more than 3…

  15. llcoolbp

    TDDWTDD as a vinny johnson/microwave type would be perfect for this squad. If baron can get healthy and give us 30 minutes a night, thats all we need.

  16. Spree8nyk8

    Did anyone notice how high Shump was on that rebound a min ago? I didn’t realize it was him at first.

  17. rohank

    I think that was the first time I’ve heard Clyde talk about playing defense with feet instead of hands, instead of the other way around…

  18. massive

    In other news, we’ve only scored 65 points. What gives? Is this really how ugly basketball will be?

  19. Frank O.

    Am I wrong or is Amare prone to too much one on one? I cringe when he tries to take someone off the dribble.
    Chandler makes so many energy plays, as does Jorts.
    A preseason game and Knicks have been on the floor a lot.

  20. Frank O.

    Is it me or does Jorts look like a taxi driver that threw on some shorts and joined the Knicks? He seems to be in the middle of things all the time.

  21. rohank

    Balkman RIPS down the board and then throws it away on the outlet. If that doesn’t epitomize him, idk what does.

  22. Frank O.

    That play was a perfect metaphor for Balk’s career, great energy play getting the board, then over excitedly throwing the ball off his own guy.
    D’Antoni was telling him to calm down as he headed to the bench.

  23. Frank O.

    rohank:
    Balkman RIPS down the board and then throws it away on the outlet. If that doesn’t epitomize him, idk what does.

    Geez…:) had the same thot

  24. Mike R

    Ha harrellson airball and then balkman with a great rebound and throwing it immediately out of bounds was very comical only cuz its preseason

  25. ess-dog

    I think Balk has done ok aside from the turnovers. 5 boards in 11 minutes.

    The starters have outplayed the bench this game and rightly so, but it’s hard to gauge a preseason game against the Nets.

  26. Thomas B.

    Balkman loves when people talk ish about him. I for one–perhaps the only one–am very happy to have him back.

  27. rohank

    Anyone else notice that Tyson was up off the bench and almost onto the COURT during that last defensive sequence? LOVE his energy, on AND OFF the court!

  28. Frank O.

    I’m not so sure our forward situation is as bad as we all might have thought.
    Jorts and Balkman are doing some nice things

  29. d-mar

    I know the Melo deal was the worst and most lopsided trade in the history of the NBA, but I have a hunch he’s going to have a MONSTER season and a career high in assists the way they’re running the offense through him.

  30. rohank

    If we can continue to win games in the 80s, I’ll be very happy. Screw Showtime – I’m all about the ugly wins.

  31. Thomas B.

    Love Love Love the energy out of this team. The execution will come but energy always has to be there. Love it. It is a new day!

  32. rohank

    One last thing then back to studying:

    Tyson hit the floor 3 times tonight and it was just preseason. I have a feeling our season will ride on whether or not he can stay healthy. Let’s keep those slippages to a minimum!

  33. rohank

    massive:
    Anybody just see Balk Man viciously attack that guy on the box out?

    Yeah! I was thinking “that looks like a reverse tackle masquerading as a box-out”.

  34. mr front row

    i know this is the preseason , but i havnt seen a knicks game when they played defense like that, steals, aggressiveness sneaker squeakin boxin out rotating…. brb need a drink!

  35. Frank O.

    massive:
    Amar’e put on 20 pounds of muscle to play the perimeter more often? I don’t get the logic lol.

    and nobody adds 20 pounds in a summer. Simply can’t happen…naturally.

  36. ess-dog

    No Knick had more than 3 assists! Granted, Melo had at least 3 of his assists blown, but we need to pass the ball better.

  37. llcoolbp

    tyson just plays with kind of passion, probably why he has been hurt so much. He’s not going to change now. We’ll just have to cross our fingers.

  38. yoda4554

    Not to be a wet blanket, but as fun as Harrelson and Shumpert were to watch, they were a combined 4-24 from the field.

    Wondering if we should be worried about the 5-14 performances by Stoudemire and Douglas. Amar’e hasn’t looked comfortable offensively for more than a game at a time…well, since the Melo deal.

  39. llcoolbp

    I’m psyched, defense chants, players up off the bench, these guys know that this is it. Nobody is blowing this team up. They can bond for real, and make a run.

  40. Frank O.

    yoda4554:
    Not to be a wet blanket, but as fun as Harrelson and Shumpert were to watch, they were a combined 4-24 from the field.

    Wondering if we should be worried about the 5-14 performances by Stoudemire and Douglas.Amar’e hasn’t looked comfortable offensively for more than a game at a time…well, since the Melo deal.

    the scoring will come. I think the D is the key and they seem to be playing together more than before. They are rusty.

  41. ess-dog

    yoda4554:
    Not to be a wet blanket, but as fun as Harrelson and Shumpert were to watch, they were a combined 4-24 from the field.

    Amar’e hasn’t looked comfortable offensively for more than a game at a time…well, since the Melo deal.

    We need someone to get him the ball at the rim! That’s his whole game.

  42. llcoolbp

    Amare realy misses the kind of point guard he needs. Felton fit the bill. We need a healthy baron to maximize amre’s potential. Till then he has to focus on defense, boards, inside scoring, midrange.

  43. massive

    Melo did take a couple really bad shots tonight. Hopefully he doesn’t do that too often when the games start to count.

    And can we please make some free throws?

  44. Ben R

    With Melo on this team and now Chandler and everyone else do we still need Amare? He needs a certain kind of offense and a specific players around him. He needs a good point guard and shooters to open up the pick and roll and a scheme that keeps the paint open. Honestly I’m wondering if he is really suited to play with Melo.

    I wonder i it’s not better just building a iverson sixers kinda team. A bunch of low usage high efficiency players with limited offensive skills and great defensive hustle with one high usage scorer taking all the shots.

  45. d-mar

    massive:
    Melo did take a couple really bad shots tonight. Hopefully he doesn’t do that too often when the games start to count.

    And can we please make some free throws?

    In 30 min., Melo was 8-17, 21 pts., 8 reb., 3 assists (should have been 6) 1 steal, 1 block. I think we can deal with a few bad shots here and there.

  46. llcoolbp

    Ben R,

    I think you make a good point. However, the pressure a player of Amare’s stature takes off of Melo cannot be measure in pure stats. Amare will be fine. He is still working his way back into game shape after that back injury. Once he loosens up and Baron Davis starts pick and rolling with some nice lobs, all will be fine.

  47. d-mar

    massive:
    Melo did take a couple really bad shots tonight. Hopefully he doesn’t do that too often when the games start to count.

    And can we please make some free throws?

    In 30 min., Melo was 8-17, 21 pts., 8 reb., 3 assists (should have been 6) 1 steal and 1 block. I think we can deal with a few bad shots here and there.

    (sorry for the double post)

  48. Unreason

    Ben R: With Melo on this team and now Chandler and everyone else do we still need Amare?

    I thinks so. No one is hot every night. Having two high percentage options and two guys to draw lots of attention if not doubles is great even if Amare isn’t perfectly suited to the main style of play.

  49. nicos

    Shumpert looks like he could be an all-d team defender somewhere down the line- really good. But a guy with his handle and quickness shouldn’t be settling for pull-ups and chucking 3s- he needs to make a concerted effort to get to the rim- he does that and he should be very solid.
    I thought Balkman played well again- especially in the 4th on the defensive end- hopefully D’A took note of that rather than the two threes he missed late. It’d be nice if he could crack the rotation.

  50. TDM

    Everytime I see Harrelson running down the court, I can’t stop picturing him in front of a Weber grill with a spatula in one hand and a PBR in the other. That said, loved seeing the rooks getting burn and increasing the lead. Would have liked to see Jordan however.

  51. d-mar

    TDM:
    Everytime I see Harrelson running down the court, I can’t stop picturing him in front of a Weber grill with a spatula in one hand and a PBR in the other.That said, loved seeing the rooks getting burn and increasing the lead.Would have liked to see Jordan however.

    Maybe a cross between Randy Quaid and Nick Swisher?

  52. Spree8nyk8

    I really hope that I’m right but I think that quite a few of the bad plays from Shump tonite were for the crowd and it being preseason. I doubt he’ll take as many bad shots as we’ve seen from him. I also think he’ll look to drive a bit more as he starts fitting in better.

  53. Ben R

    I love Balkman, I really hope he is in the rotation. I like Jorts on the defensive end but he seems a little tentative around the basket on offense. I want to see him attacking the rim not falling away. Shumpert has all the skills to be a stud I just hope he makes better choices with his shots as the season progresses.

  54. Thomas B.

    xduckshoex:
    Hollinger is being attacked on Twitter for picking the Knicks to finish 7th.

    7th really. Hmmm
    Miami
    Orlando
    Chicago

    Okay I’m sorry, what are the other three teams that are supposed to finish ahead of the Knicks? Seriously. I’m at a loss. Boston is way too thin. Pacers are not there yet (are they?). Philly, meh.

  55. New Guy

    xduckshoex:
    Hollinger is being attacked on Twitter for picking the Knicks to finish 7th.

    Hollinger is being attacked bc he’s made taking unnecessary potshots at the Knicks simply to bait the dumber half of our fans into an art form.

    In fairness to his predictions, he did say merely two games separated 5-6-7 seeds. And it’s not crazy to think this team may struggle to find cohesion. We will be a work-in-progress for much of the regular season. And frankly I think the predictions of us finishing top 3 in the east are more ludicrous than us finishing 7th, 2 games short of 5th.

  56. New Guy

    Also, he did predict would be a much better team by the playoffs.

    Does anyone here really care about our seed? I don’t think you should. Make the playoffs, establish everyone’s role, find cohesion, and keep everyone healthy. Those would be my goals for this compressed season.

  57. jon abbey

    why do people pretend Atlanta is not in the East anymore? did they lose anyone besides Jamal?

    there’s a good case to be made for NY ending up 6th or 7th in the regular season, they’re fitting in one huge new piece in Chandler and then another at some point in Baron and the schedule allows for something like six practices over the entire regular season. dangerous by playoff time this year and maybe legit contenders next with a few more pieces is where I see it right now realistically. but it should be a crazy and unpredictable year, since there’s never been one scheduled this way before. we’ll see who’s healthy in April…

    some notes from tonight’s game:

    Shump Shump is a really fun thing to say, endless ways you can go with it to convey different emotions. so even when he mostly sucks like tonight, Shump Shump in an admonishing tone helps ease the pain.

    on a related note, since we are seemingly supposed to be the collective rational voice of Knicks fans, let’s make a pact to not project Shump Shump to Wade or Sprewell again anytime soon. those were first-team All-NBA players.

    Balkman looked great, and if he actually knows he will get consistent minutes, I can only imagine that he will keep improving. with the compressed schedule, he’s going to play a lot, I think.

    D’Antoni really has his work cut out for him with this set of personnel and his offensive approach, Melo has such dumb/lazy shot selection sometimes.

    Owen is back, that is almost as exciting as Balkman’s reemergence (OK, not really). welcome back, dude!

  58. latke

    Ben R:
    With Melo on this team and now Chandler and everyone else do we still need Amare? He needs a certain kind of offense and a specific players around him. He needs a good point guard and shooters to open up the pick and roll and a scheme that keeps the paint open. Honestly I’m wondering if he is really suited to play with Melo.

    I wonder i it’s not better just building a iverson sixers kinda team. A bunch of low usage high efficiency players with limited offensive skills and great defensive hustle with one high usage scorer taking all the shots.

    I don’t think we need to go to the extreme of the Iverson Sixers, but I agree about Amaré. He needs a point guard who understands his limitations and gets him the ball in the very specific places where he excels. I’d rather have kevin garnett, even at his age, than Amaré — someone who can play d and knock down an 18 footer.

  59. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey:
    why do people pretend Atlanta is not in the East anymore? did they lose anyone besides Jamal?

    there’s a good case to be made for NY ending up 6th or 7th in the regular season, they’re fitting in one huge new piece in Chandler and then another at some point in Baron and the schedule allows for something like six practices over the entire regular season. dangerous by playoff time this year and maybe legit contenders next with a few more pieces is where I see it right now realistically. but it should be a crazy and unpredictable year, since there’s never been one scheduled this way before. we’ll see who’s healthy in April…

    some notes from tonight’s game:

    Shump Shump is a really fun thing to say, endless ways you can go with it to convey different emotions. so even when he mostly sucks like tonight, Shump Shump in an admonishing tone helps ease the pain.

    on a related note, since we are seemingly supposed to be the collective rational voice of Knicks fans, let’s make a pact to not project Shump Shump to Wade or Sprewell again anytime soon. those were first-team All-NBA players.

    Balkman looked great, and if he actually knows he will get consistent minutes, I can only imagine that he will keep improving. with the compressed schedule, he’s going to play a lot, I think.

    D’Antoni really has his work cut out for him with this set of personnel and his offensive approach, Melo has such dumb/lazy shot selection sometimes.

    Owen is back, that is almost as exciting as Balkman’s reemergence (OK, not really). welcome back, dude!

    Atlanta got outscored during the regular season. They shouldve finished below .500 last season not win 44 games. They lost Crawford and Hinrich might miss first month of regular season if not longer.

  60. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    latke: I don’t think we need to go to the extreme of the Iverson Sixers, but I agree about Amaré. He needs a point guard who understands his limitations and gets him the ball in the very specific places where he excels. I’d rather have kevin garnett, even at his age, than Amaré — someone who can play d and knock down an 18 footer.

    I’m pretty sure Amar’e has a deadly 18-footer. We did see a ton of those last season. As far as defense goes, that’s another matter.

    Then there’s this quote from the locker room post-game:

    Harrellson to Stoudemire: “What’s up, fresh?”

    Stoudemire: “What’s up, smooth?

    Harrellson: “Where we gonna hunt?”

    Stoudemire: “We’re gonna hunt in South Florida. You know what we’re gonna hunt down there, right? We’re gonna hunt LeBron and D-Wade. I got the rifle, man.”

    Really funny stuff there guys. You two are a regular Bob Elliott and Ray Goulding — except with far more creepy gun/killing/hunting references.

  61. jon abbey

    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta): I’m pretty sure Amar’e has a deadly 18-footer. We did see a ton of those last season. As far as defense goes, that’s another matter.

    has he ever played next to a real center before, besides the remnants of Shaq really briefly? my impression is that he’s capable of being a lot better at defending PF than C, then it’s a question of how often he does it.

  62. Thomas B.

    jon abbey:
    why do people pretend Atlanta is not in the East anymore? did they lose anyone besides Jamal?

    I forgot about Atlanta. But in my defense, most of Georgia forgets about that team.

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