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Friday, October 24, 2014

Game Preview & Thread: Knicks vs Warriors

J.M. Poulard of Warriors World was kind enough to elicit my thoughts on why Raymond Felton guarding Stephen Curry terrifies me. It appears later on in Poulard’s splendid preview of tonight’s game:

Preview: After getting involved in a scuffle that resulted in posturing more than actual displays of toughness and unity, the Golden State Warriors (33-24) were defeated last night by an Indiana Pacers (36-21) team that now occupies the second seed in the Eastern Conference standings.

The Pacers recent five-game winning streak helped them steal the spot from the New York Knicks (33-20).

Indeed, the Knicks just recently rebounded from a four-game losing streak with a home victory against the Philadelphia 76ers (22-33) and will be looking to win back-to-back games when they host the Dubs tonight at Madison Square Garden.

The Knickerbockers have one of the best offenses in the league and Mike Woodson deserves a huge amount of credit for it.

Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith, Amar’e Stoudemire and Iman Shumpert were all at one point in their respective careers considered to be ball stoppers. They would endlessly pound the rock and monopolize the offense for the one moment where they felt comfortable with settling for whatever shot they could manufacture against the set defense.

Ah but the times they be changing….


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186 comments on “Game Preview & Thread: Knicks vs Warriors

  1. Seba

    I always looked at the Dubs as the west coast version of the Knicks for the past decade: great city, disfunctional ownership, flawed teams, mediocrity embodied and now suddenly relevant. Favorite west coast team (but, of course, my heart belongs to the knicks).

    It kills me that i can’t see this game at the garden.

    Ray Ray: tape your ankles, Steph Curry’s in town!!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5UoBX_oTBm4

  2. maxwell_3g

    Seba:
    Also, shoutout to Mark jackson, may he come coach us someday.

    yeah, i always thought that he would be a perfect coach for us. he has really tried to bring some toughness to GS

  3. Owen

    I give Jackson props for what he has done. But I don’t want him as our coach.

    Kidd still looking broken…..

    Interested to see Barnes as well. Very polarizing player. Clearly making an impact defensively but the stats are pretty mediocre so far….

  4. Douglas

    maxwell_3g: yeah, i always thought that he would be a perfect coach for us.he has really tried to bring some toughness to GS

    Based on his generally blah catchphrase-based commentary (“HAND DOWN MAN DOWN!” “MAMA THERE GOES THAT MAN” et al) I didn’t think he’d amount to much as a coach. He has pleasantly surprised me.

  5. Owen

    Chandler is a man amongst boys….

    hell bent for leather indeed….

    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Amazing stuff…..

  6. maxwell_3g

    thank you woody!!! a substitution adjustment. leave shump in deeper in the first and bring JR in for kidd. its about time!!!

  7. BigBlueAL

    I know Lee is out which is a pretty big deal but this is the best the Knicks have looked since the 5 game home winning streak earlier this month.

  8. yellowboy90

    The switching has been great so far except the 1 /3 switch with Smith and Felton. The 2/3 switches and everything else has been very good so far. so far. There has not been a lazy switch all night besides the Smith switch with Felton.

  9. Juany8

    Also, if Chandler is going to play like this consistently in the playoffs, they’re capable of hanging with anyone in a series. I don’t think any team in the East is really going to be a challenge to Miami, but getting to the ECF and putting up a fight would be a pretty solid way to end the season.

  10. BigBlueAL

    Owen:
    Wow, true matador from Barnes there. Not impressed with him. Looks like he weighs about 165.

    In fairness to Barnes not too many times he has to cover someone like Melo who can abuse him in the post.

  11. DRed

    Douglas:
    Melo is just using and abusing Barnes. Poor kid doesn’t stand a chance.

    He’s got 9 points on 7 shots. That’s not bad, but that’s not exactly abuse.

  12. BigBlueAL

    DRed: He’s got 9 points on 7 shots.That’s not bad, but that’s not exactly abuse.

    Green started off on Melo. When he went out Barnes was switched on Melo and Melo twice abused the crap out of him in the post.

  13. Owen

    Wow, Chandler is what, a foot taller than Landry?

    Loved Novak’s little shuffle there. The subtlest of travels…..

  14. Nick C.

    That’s the second time I’ve noticed Novak moving to space to catch a pass for a three. He missed the first and will shoot FTs so not perfect but it’s a nice development.

  15. Douglas

    DRed: He’s got 9 points on 7 shots.That’s not bad, but that’s not exactly abuse.

    Uh… I mentioned Barnes specifically.

  16. ruruland

    Not that anyone cares or notices, but Kenyon with some excellent help defense so far, hardest double team Knicks have had this year.

  17. maxwell_3g

    i cant believe that after replacing Mike D with a “defnesive coach” I still find our defense infuriating. if this switching is really woody’s strategy, i wont cry when he is gone. he is just being stubborn at this point

  18. ruruland

    Nick C.:
    I like that they are driving and finding a cutting Tyson. A counter to the PnR being taken away?

    Just Shump going off the dribble.

  19. ruruland

    Chandler playing great. I know the Warriors are a great 3-point shooting team, but really bad 3-point shooting by Knicks and great 3-point shooting by Warriors only reason this is close.

  20. ruruland

    Douglas:
    Rebounds: Tyson 15, Warriors 18. LOL.

    More impressed with his hedging and switching than grabbing a lot of uncontested defensive rebounds that teammates could have had.

  21. Will the Thrill

    Yeah 6 offensive rebounds in the first half is no big deal

    ruruland: More impressed with his hedging and switching than grabbing a lot of uncontested defensive rebounds that teammates could have had.

  22. Nick C.

    ruruland: Just Shump going off the dribble.

    thanks. I was wondering it perhaps it was a deliberate strategy change because it happened two or three times. Your response indicates it seems random.

  23. ruruland

    Nick C.: thanks. I was wondering it perhaps it was a deliberate strategy change because it happened two or three times. Your response indicates it seems random.

    I know, it’s weird seeing somebody other than Melo, Jr, Felton trying to get to the basket off the dribble.

  24. thenamestsam

    er:
    if shump can lock down or slow down steph knicks win easy. no one else on the warriors is doing shit

    Needs to work on defending without fouling. He wasn’t guarding him for that long there and committed two or three fouls along with at least 1 other that was clearly missed and another that should have been called before he WAS finally called for a foul on one of the plays. If you reach against Curry you’re going to be fouling constantly.

  25. ruruland

    maxwell_3g:
    i cant believe that after replacing Mike D with a “defnesive coach” I still find our defense infuriating.if this switching is really woody’s strategy, i wont cry when he is gone.he is just being stubborn at this point

    Defense is coming along, bro.

  26. maxwell_3g

    what to think of shump’s half? curry has certainly gotten his off of him, but he does have 5 steals and is +15. and he looks like our most energetic guy tonight

  27. Hubert Davis

    ruruland:
    Not that anyone cares or notices, but Kenyon with some excellent help defense so far, hardest double team Knicks have had this year.

    Yeah, cuz the MSG crowd doesn’t appreciate help defense and hard doubles.

    Come on, guy. Charles Oakley played here.

  28. maxwell_3g

    maxwell_3g:
    what to think of shump’s half?curry has certainly gotten his off of him, but he does have 5 steals and is +15.and he looks like our most energetic guy tonight

    check that. 17 rebounds in the first half is a pretty good indication that tyson has been energetic too

  29. ruruland

    thenamestsam: Needs to work on defending without fouling. He wasn’t guarding him for that long there and committed two or three fouls along with at least 1 other that was clearly missed and another that should have been called before he WAS finally called for a foul on one of the plays. If you reach against Curry you’re going to be fouling constantly.

    The whole thing is to force Curry to finish driving off the dribble in the mid-range, where he really struggles.

    http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Stephen%20Curry

    But counter-intuitive defense probably not the thing right now.

  30. thenamestsam

    maxwell_3g:
    what to think of shump’s half?curry has certainly gotten his off of him, but he does have 5 steals and is +15.and he looks like our most energetic guy tonight

    As you say, I’m not sure about most energetic, but he looks a lot more like last year’s Shump to me. Obviously last year’s Shump was still a guy with a lot of work to do to fill the holes in his game, but he looks in rhythm offensively, he’s attacking and he’s defending with a ton of energy (despite making a lot of the same types of errors he made last year–reaching too much, not as attentive off the ball, etc.). Not any sort of magical progress, but a step in the right direction as far as I’m concerned.

  31. thenamestsam

    ruruland: The whole thing is to force Curry to finish driving off the dribble in the mid-range, where he really struggles.

    http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Stephen%20Curry

    But counter-intuitive defense probably not the thing right now.

    I’m not saying the strategy is wrong, just that he needs to work on getting up on guys without reaching so much. When he does get up on guys he has a tendency to follow the ball with his hands leading to reaching way too far. A couple times he had his hands almost behind Curry’s back reaching for steals on behind the back dribbles. Just needs to be a bit smarter.

  32. BigBlueAL

    All this talk about how much better Shump has looked tonight (which he has) yet he is still just 1 for 5 from the floor including 0 for 2 from 3pt range.

  33. Frank O.

    I had a feeling with our guards defending, Curry could have a huge night…
    Felton can’t keep guards in front of him. Clyde was saying last week that he thought Felton was getting to close and it was making it easier to get past him.

  34. maxwell_3g

    did anyone see amare there. running away from a driving klay thompson while tyson has to try to fly out of nowhere to challenge the shot. some things never change

  35. er

    wow anyone who has dvr watch stat on that drive by thompson……he is the worst defender i have ever seen. It is disrespectful to melo to lump him with stat on d cuz it aint close smfh

  36. BigBlueAL

    Now the Knicks are just overplaying everything on the perimeter which is allowing easy penetration.

  37. Nick C.

    Damn that was sick by Curry. Felton actually did a decent job and Curry still found a way to get a clean shot and swish.

  38. BigBlueAL

    JR with no patience on that offensive foul. Melo had Jack on him and was about to go toward JR’s side to postup but JR just took off with the dribble and then committed the offensive foul.

    On a side note, horrible game for Novak tonight.

  39. BigBlueAL

    Melo has found Amar’e tonight for a dunk/layup what like 3 times already?? Also Amar’e has been a factor on the boards in the 2nd half. Big improvement from his 1st half cameo.

  40. Douglas

    I’ll take this new “trap Curry on the perimeter and give up Draymond Green midrange jumpers” strategy all day.

  41. DRed

    Let’s just hope Curry’s shooting arm is getting tired. I know we don’t play good defense, but this is fucking preposterous.

  42. BigBlueAL

    er: lol we all see that

    I knew he had been struggling lately so looked at his past few games and found it funny how similar they were with all the 1 for 6 game lol.

  43. BigBlueAL

    DRed:
    Let’s just hope Curry’s shooting arm is getting tired.I know we don’t play good defense, but this is fucking preposterous.

    Golden St played last night and tonight Curry hasnt sat a second yet. Unreal.

  44. thenamestsam

    God damn Steph. I mean I can’t even be mad if the Knicks lose this one. He’s putting on a freaking show right now.

  45. johnlocke

    It ain’t

    DRed:
    Let’s just hope Curry’s shooting arm is getting tired.I know we don’t play good defense, but this is fucking preposterous.

  46. Hubert Davis

    BigBlueAL:
    I cant even get mad at the D on Curry anymore, he is just freaking insane right now.

    I’m livid. On one end of the court Melo is getting doubled immediately to get the ball out of his hands. On the other end Curry is basically choosing which defender he wants guarding him. Woodson is some kind of special stupid.

  47. BigBlueAL

    If the Knicks win this game I will say what a fun, great game it has been to watch. If they lose I will be sick to my stomach for the rest of the night lol.

  48. Hubert Davis

    BigBlueAL:
    I cant even get mad at the D on Curry anymore, he is just freaking insane right now.

    I’m livid. On one end of the court Melo is getting doubled immediately to get the ball out of his hands. On the other end Curry is basically choosing which defender he wants guarding him. Woodson is some special kind of stupid.

  49. johnlocke

    Yup. It’s like Reggie miller with a nasty PG handle

    er: this is worse because the man is litterally running and gunning…..no catch and shoot

  50. johnlocke

    He is dribbling it up the court dude…they could trap but then he’d just get it back off a pass or curl

    Hubert Davis: I’m livid.On one end of the court Melo is getting doubled immediately to get the ball out of his hands. On the other end Curry is basically choosing which defender he wants guarding him.Woodson is some kind of special stupid.

  51. Frank

    I understand there is no statistical evidence of the “hot hand” but come on. You can’t watch this and not believe it exists.

  52. BigBlueAL

    Hubert Davis: I’m livid.On one end of the court Melo is getting doubled immediately to get the ball out of his hands. On the other end Curry is basically choosing which defender he wants guarding him.Woodson is some special kind of stupid.

    Problem is whenever the Knicks trap him he is making the pass for an easy basket. Knicks arent good enough defensively (or dont know how to) to trap/double someone then to rotate properly.

  53. johnlocke

    I’m already gearing up for it. Feel like I’m watching a movie

    DRed:
    There’s really no way Curry isn’t winning this with a 3 at the buzzer

  54. Hubert Davis

    johnlocke:
    He is dribbling it up the court dude…they could trap but then he’d just get it back off a pass or curl

    Make that happen then. Lucky for us GS took the ball out of his hands for us and it just resulted in some positive plays for us.

  55. DRed

    Tyson with 28 boards, Melo with 33 points and 8 assists, and neither one was the best player on the court. That was absurdly entertaining.

  56. BigBlueAL

    er: and melo broke the streak ….2 threes tonight lol. The second one was a biggie

    Ha thats right he did!! If he wouldve stayed at 1 for 6 that wouldve been one weird 5 game stretch of bad 3 pt shooting lol.

  57. chrisk06811

    only caught the last 2 mins. saw a felton block, a felton steal, a chandler / shump forced turnover, a felton offensive rebound off a free throw. What did I miss?

  58. CaptainB

    Man, Curry made some silly shots. Ridiculous game but glad they pulled this out. Defense was able to somehow step up at the end.

  59. BigBlueAL

    Its kind of nice to be the victim of an amazing shooting performance yet still win the game for once, will make it alot easier to watch the highlights of this game later tonight.

  60. JK47

    Could it be that JR Smith is maybe, just possibly starting to turn it around? He’s played quite well in 4 of his last 5 games now.

  61. yellowboy90

    Sidenote: Should the Knicks try to get Raja Bell? Yes, he is old but thats what they like and what else is out there?

  62. BigBlueAL

    JK47:
    Could it be that JR Smith is maybe, just possibly starting to turn it around?He’s played quite well in 4 of his last 5 games now.

    He has actually shot great from 3pt range this entire month. Was shooting 40% while make 3 a game in February before tonight.

  63. massive

    I think it’s safe to assume that NBA PGs love playing against Raymond Felton. Shumpert’s knee and tenacious defense can’t come back any sooner.

  64. Owen

    Shump looked good. But two balls were just fumbled directly too him. I’ll give him half credit on those just for intimidation but they were a little flukey.

    DRed:
    6 steals for Shump is promising

  65. massive

    Oh, and we might be looking at a loss on Friday. Friday Night Knicks against the Wizards in DC. Sounds like a loss to me.

  66. ruruland

    Knicks frontcourt, including Smith at 3: 137 minutes, 34 rebounds (Thanks, TY), 31-61, 91 points, (.635 TS), 10 assists (thanks, Melo) 5 turnovers.

    Rest of team: 4-26, 18 points, 9 assists, 5 turnovers, 10 steals (all by Shump and Felton).

  67. lavor postell

    Jermaine O’Neal thinks he’s back in his Pacer days. 22 on 14 shots and 13 rebounds tonight. Just got an offensive rebound and put back to put Suns up 3 in ot with 9.3 left.

  68. ruruland

    massive:
    I think it’s safe to assume that NBA PGs love playing against Raymond Felton. Shumpert’s knee and tenacious defense can’t come back any sooner.

    Many guards have eaten him up, but I don’t think it would have mattered who was guarding Curry tonight.

  69. Douglas

    BigBlueAL: He has actually shot great from 3pt range this entire month.Was shooting 40% while make 3 a game in February before tonight.

    May have been the quietest 6/10 3PT game ever lol.

  70. Frank

    Hard not to notice Shumpert closed the game rather than Kidd tonight. And not because they wanted Shumpert to shut Curry down- he barely guarded him. Is this a sign Kidd is being benched until he starts playing better? I hope so.

  71. BigBlueAL

    So the Hawks won their 4th in a row tonight in Utah and are up to 4th in the East (tied with Brooklyn).

  72. nicos

    massive:
    I think it’s safe to assume that NBA PGs love playing against Raymond Felton. Shumpert’s knee and tenacious defense can’t come back any sooner.

    I thought he played pretty well in the second half- Curry just hit tough shot after tough shot. And at least he kept his head in the game and came up with three huge plays- a block, a steal, and an offensive rebound (after bricking two free throws but still) down the stretch.
    On another topic- Prigs is 35 and appears to have no clue how to run his man off of a screen. It’s giving me flashbacks to TD last year- the big comes over to set a screen and he backs up. I know he has no confidence taking it to the hoop but at least try to rub your guy off and get the defense rotating.

  73. nicos

    ruruland:
    Knicks frontcourt, including Smith at 3: 137 minutes, 34 rebounds (Thanks, TY), 31-61, 91 points, (.635 TS), 10 assists (thanks, Melo) 5 turnovers.

    Rest of team: 4-26, 18 points, 9 assists, 5 turnovers, 10 steals (all by Shump and Felton).

    To be fair I think JR hit two of his threes while playing the two with the big TC/Stat/Melo lineup but point taken- Shump, Kidd, Prigs, and Felton are barely being guarded off of the ball and it’s creating all kinds of traffic for Melo.

  74. johnlocke

    Hard to believe that as out of his mind as Curry played another guard had 27 more points than he scored tonight in a game…

    ruruland: Many guards have eaten him up, but I don’t think it would have mattered who was guarding Curry tonight.

  75. nicos

    johnlocke:
    Hard to believe that as out of his mind as Curry played another guard had 27 more points than he scored tonight in a game…

    And did playing 6 fewer minutes. Though how Kobe managed to put up 46 shots AND get to the line 20 times in 42 minutes is beyond me- that’s crazy even for Kobe.

  76. lavor postell

    johnlocke:
    Hard to believe that as out of his mind as Curry played another guard had 27 more points than he scored tonight in a game…

    61 at the Garden

  77. mr.JayP

    Curry was just on the scho yard shit. He had the mind set of from where ever I shoot, it’s going in and no one can stop me.

    Woodson needs help with his guard rotations. Felton getting burned on the regular and tossing up bricks. He needs to give Prigs more minutes so Humpty Dumpty can have a better chance at catching his breath.

    Oh and we need another defensive center. I would love to see Ty have enough energy to play like that every game.

  78. er

    nicos: And did playing 6 fewer minutes.Though how Kobe managed to put up 46 shots AND get to the line 20 times in 42 minutes is beyond me- that’s crazy even for Kobe.

    so thats probably 53-56 real shots. whoa

  79. Z-man

    Just got back from second consecutive game w/my 13yo son. Got to shake hands with Breen and Willie Randolph in the bowels of the garden before the game. What a thriller, epic performance by Steph Curry, Chandler doing a Wilt circa 1973 impersonation, just a rockin” night all around.

  80. jon abbey

    man, that was a crazy game. Shumpert is slowly getting there, and as ruru said, Martin forced two quick turnovers by doubling quickly and correctly.

  81. max fisher-cohen

    Wow just huge games from Smith, Chandler and of course an all decade performance by Curry. That was the most amazing individual scoring performance I’ve seen on live TV since maybe MJ or at least Allen Iverson.

    TC’s rebounding was quieter but I think as much of a game changer as Curry’s shooting. I don’t know what Mark Jackson was thinking, leaving Carl Landry out there on Chandler. It’s not like Curry needed space to drive. He was shooting 28 footers. Between the turnover and rebound differential, the Knicks had 17 more possessions than GS. Not often you see a team shoot 8.5% better (and the TS% difference would be even bigger due to GS’s 3s) than another and still lose. I wonder how the game would have played out had Lee been playing…

    This is the biggest win NY’s had since beating San Antonio in early January.

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