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Wednesday, April 23, 2014

Game Preview & Thread: Knicks vs. Bobcats

I live in the state of North Carolina, yet I know very little about the Charlotte Bobcats. I’ve figured that being a Knicks fan has bought me enough pain and suffering over the past couple decades, why should I follow another struggling franchise? I could have pretended to be an expert and lied my way through this pre-game article, but instead I turned to Spencer Percy at the Bobcats’ TrueHoop blog, Queen City Hoops, to school us on this year’s iteration of the Charlotte Bobcats.

 

1. What are some of the greatest strengths and weaknesses of this year’s Bobcats?

Spencer: Taking care of the basketball is definitely the Bobcats greatest strength — currently they’re 3rd in the NBA in turnover ratio at 12.1, but wouldn’t be surprised to see them be the best in this category by season’s end.

The largest weakness for Charlotte is 3-point shooting. The team simply doesn’t have a player that can knock down shots from outside with any consistency. Well, they do. His name in Ben Gordon and he never gets off the bench.

 

2. Can the core of the Bobcats be competitive in the league, or are they still looking for that franchise player to turn their fortunes around?

There’s no question that Charlotte has improved as they’ve added Al Jefferson and their young core continues to develop. They can be competitive in this league, but winning on a consistent basis just isn’t going to happen yet. Again, you must be able to score the ball to win in this league and Charlotte badly lacks that on the roster still. Three potential draft picks in a strong draft this summer have people continuing to be hopeful.

 

3. Why do you think Charlotte signed Al Jefferson the year before a great draft? If you’re going to make an FA splash, why time it in a way that could hurt your chances at a future stud?

It’s certainly somewhat confusing when pondering why Charlotte elected to pay Al Jefferson the summer before Andrew Wiggins comes off the shelf. My train of thought consist around the idea that he’ll speed up the development with the youth on this team because of how much he can open up the floor. Plus, the franchise needs poster board kind of guy with the return of the Hornets next season.

 

4. Most advanced stats love Kidd-Gilchrist for his rebounding and defense, but his offense is lacking. Are there any signs of improvement in that part of his game? Also, going into his 3rd year is Bismack Biyombo showing any signs of living up to his 7th overall draft selection?

MKG and Biz have very similar problems. As close to incompetent as it gets, offensively, for NBA players. Well, MKG is a monster in transition + attacking the rim, but little else. Biz just has no feel around the basket, no go-to move and zero touch. Heck, most are happy when he actually catching the basketball. He’s a problem on the defensive end for most teams, though. Protects the rim well and is starting to show signs of consistently rebounding the ball at an above average clip.

 

5. How is the front office viewed by Bobcat fans, in general? Is Jordan’s legacy being tarnished in Charlotte, or is he beyond reproach?

Jordan is viewed in Charlotte pretty much the same he’s viewed everywhere. Not a great owner that has made some very bad personnel decision and surrounds himself with ‘yes men’. Rich Cho, the Bobcats GM, is the one guy who can save this franchise from NBA exile. He was raised in Oklahoma City under the Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook model, but that obviously still takes luck in the draft.

 

6. What’s your prediction for Tuesday night’s game?
Spencer: I’ll take the Knicks in this one. They do something very well that Charlotte doesn’t traditionally guard well – spread the floor and knock down the 3.

 

Kevin’s Take: Turnovers have been a major issue for the Knicks for the first 3 games, while the Bobcats are third best in the league at avoiding turnovers. That alone should keep the game close. The good news for Knicks fans is that Charlotte is atrocious at scoring. Their ORtg (91.7) and eFG% (0.416!!!) are only better than Cleveland. Expect a low scoring, ugly game, unless the Knicks get hot from 3, or Jordan decides to lace ‘em up and scorch The Garden for 70 points. It could happen! You better watch!

185 comments on “Game Preview & Thread: Knicks vs. Bobcats

  1. Robert Silverman

    Want to read something fun? Check out this tweet from Herring quoting Woodson.

    That’s insane. He’s either lying, Dolan/CAA’s telling him who to play and this is the best excuse he can come up with or he somehow completely misunderstands what went wrong v. Indiana and likes to party with Rob Ford. I’d say Woodson needs to go, but my instinct is that the next guy would have to be even more of a yes man. Ugh.

  2. JK47

    One thing’s for sure, the Bobcats are a dismal offensive team, one of the very worst in the league. They have no perimeter shooting to speak of, and most of their offense comes from their mediocre point guards Kemba Walker and Ramon Sessions. NYK should be able to hold this team under 90 points but let’s see what happens.

  3. d-mar

    I don’t understand that quote at all. In game 4 against Indiana, he went big and started K-Mart and it didn’t work. So what lesson is he referring to? Shouldn’t he be saying “in the past, I tended to react to other team’s lineups but I learned my lesson from the Indiana series”? Weird.

  4. EB

    Hopefully he’s just talking about needing to go big. Of course that doesn’t really explain AB starting.

  5. er

    That’s insane. He’s either lying, Dolan/CAA’s telling him who to play and this is the best excuse he can come up with or he somehow completely misunderstands what went wrong v. Indiana and likes to party with Rob Ford. I’d say Woodson needs to go, but my instinct is that the next guy would have to be even more of a yes man. Ugh.

    Good Rob Ford point because i am really starting to question whether Dolan needs to piss test Woody

  6. Hubert

    I also just heard Woodson say this on the pregame:

    “My ultimate goal was to get to a big lineup. That’s where I always wanted to go with this team.”

  7. Kahnzy

    That quote pretty much just stole my last gasp of excitement I might have had for this team. They make it so unbelievably hard to root for them.

  8. flossy

    Does CAA represent some actual power forwards who can rebound and play defense and maybe score a little? Perhaps they can broker a trade for one of those to the Knicks if Mike Woodson is so obsessed with going big.

  9. Hubert

    The new MSG is so different, literally from the second you walk in. It’s so bright and clean. And I don’t like bright and clean.

  10. maxwell_3g

    let me get this straight. Melo self-assesses his game, and determines the problem is that he is looking to pass and make his teammates better TOO MUCH and determines that he needs to just get back to shooting confidently??? like when he pulled from three on the break instead of passing to prigs for a layup last game? I have no problems with melo this season, but I don’t think that him looking for his shot more is the answer to our problems

  11. maxwell_3g

    The new MSG is so different, literally from the second you walk in. It’s so bright and clean. And I don’t like bright and clean.

    is Al Trautwig frequenting KB.net now??

  12. max fisher-cohen

    I don’t think Woodson should be fired for the simple fact that it would be scapegoating. Woodson isn’t the only problem. However, it will be hard for him to survive through December if he continues playing away from the team’s strengths.

  13. maxwell_3g

    so how many does Mike Dunleaviesque Knick killer Gerald Henderson go for tonight. Im guessing 22, 5, and 7

  14. Kahnzy

    Well, I think that’s the problem everyone around here keep harping on. The Knicks have problems, and from what we can tell from quotes, interviews, and in-game lineups they seem intent on solutions that just don’t make any sense.

    1. We get out rebounded, so go big with Bargs.
    2. Offense isn’t clicking, so we need to shoot fewer threes.
    3. Melo’s shot isn’t dropping, so he needs to go more iso in the 4th.

    I’ve been pretty patient with Woodson, and I think he did as pretty good job last season given the injuries he had to deal with. But I’m starting to think that those on this board that want him gone might be on to something…assuming we had a decent expectation of a better coach as a replacement, which others have pointed out is a long shot, at best.

  15. JK47

    Not looking any better against this terrible Charlotte team. Fouls, fouls, fouls, turnovers, turnovers, turnovers.

  16. Nick C.

    Everything Shumpert is putting up is going in for now: a three, a jumper off the dribble and some sort of flip under the hoop.

  17. maxwell_3g

    chandler’s offensive improvement this year is bizarre. he seems to be doing things this years that he has not done for the last 12

  18. Nick C.

    Loved that little baby hook from Tyson. Not so crazy about him limping off after the Bobcat possession.

  19. JK47

    Well, at least Tyson was able to walk off under his own power, and he’s not in the locker room right now. Deep breath.

  20. Kahnzy

    Well, at least Tyson was able to walk off under his own power, and he’s not in the locker room right now. Deep breath.

    I’m putting the jinx on your head. Chandler just walked/limped back to the locker room.

  21. JK47

    When I saw Amar’e with the ball about to dribble into a double team, my mind just said “turnover.” And then of course…

  22. ephus

    As a lawyer who did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night, my medical diagnosis is that Tyson has a bone bruise in his right fibula, not a joint problem. At least, that is what I hope.

  23. Kahnzy

    So the worst offensive team in the league just dropped 30 in the first…That might actually be worse than the T-Wolves (as one of the better offensive teams) dropping 40 last night.

  24. Kikuchiyo

    Any time you can keep the Bobcat scoring machine under 32 points in a quarter, you’ve got to be pleased.

  25. Brian Cronin

    Shitty first period but eh, it’s the Bobcats. It really doesn’t matter when they choose to take over the game, they will take over the game at some point.

  26. maxwell_3g

    amare’s pathetic defense still stands out, even after we have acquired Bargs. I don’t even want him to suit up anymore

  27. Kahnzy

    You know, if we’re gonna experiment with silly line-ups, I say we go 3 pg’s! Felton-Prigs-Udrih. I mean, can it be any worse than some of the shit we’ve tried already?

  28. Hubert

    I can’t put my finger on something this team is good at. If I had known this was the direction we wanted to go, I would have agreed with THCJ’s prediction.

  29. Brian Cronin

    I am confused. I keep seeing stories about the Knicks acquiring Jeffrey Tyler’s NBDL rights, but I don’t think that they are accurate. I think what they mean to say is that the Knicks’ NBDL affiliate acquired his rights, which is significant because the Knicks’ NBDL affiliate uses the Knicks’ offense and defense so players could be acclimated to the Knicks easily and the Knicks clearly will be monitoring him and plan to call him up as soon as he is healthy. However, I do not believe that the Knicks gained any special rights with regards to Tyler by the deal. Any other NBA team that wants him can still sign him, I believe. Am I wrong there?

  30. Kikuchiyo

    Things I never thought I’d say in this life:

    “I sure hope the Knicks bring in Bargnani to replace Amare’ Stoudemire.”

  31. maxwell_3g

    You know, if we’re gonna experiment with silly line-ups, I say we go 3 pg’s! Felton-Prigs-Udrih. I mean, can it be any worse than some of the shit we’ve tried already?

    Im all in with the 3 pg lineup if that keeps bargs and stat off the court. 3pgs, metta and chandler

  32. Will the Thrill

    One year older, one step slower. This seems to apply to our whole team. I didn’t know it would be this bad.

  33. ephus

    Hardaway has to make those shots from 3 if he is going to stay on the floor. Charlotte dared him twice on that possession to shoot the 3.

  34. coyle022

    too many minutes for hardaway jr….short bursts he should be an energy guy/floor spacer not a 6th man

  35. JK47

    The Bobcats are just a far superior fundamental team to the Knicks. They actually move the ball, get decent looks, draw fouls… The Knicks get prayer three-point heaves from inefficient shooters.

    This is sad to watch.

  36. ephus

    If Udrih and Sessions played one-on-one and it was make-it-take-it, whoever got the ball first would win 21-0.

  37. maxwell_3g

    I guess I disagree with some. I love the way hardaway is playing and I have faith that his 3′s will fall. to me, he is the least of our problems right now. I also am very pleased by what metta has shown so far.

  38. JK47

    Bobcats are shooting 57.7% from the floor and have already made 14 free throws. They CANNOT get a stop. I know Chandler is out but come on, play some fucking defense already.

  39. ephus

    Its just not true that the Knicks cannot get a stop. They actually have forced a fair number of turnovers. The problem is that (1) the Bobcats are not missing and (2) the Knicks are not grabbing defensive rebounds.

  40. Will the Thrill

    The scary thing is: World Peace has more or less been replicating JR’s numbers off the bench just with better defense, and our defense has been pretty damn bad these last 2 games.

  41. coyle022

    And news on Chandler : the x-rays were “inconclusive” right leg injury…typical Knicks diagnosis

  42. Brian Cronin

    Artest is valiantly keeping them in this game in this first half. I fully expect them to blow the Cats out in the second half, though.

  43. JK47

    “X-rays are inconclusive” does not sound promising.

    Without him this team is straight-up unwatchable.

  44. Brian Cronin

    I seriously cannot believe that Anthony Tolliver is not only still in the league but actually getting minutes.

  45. maxwell_3g

    I get that chandler is hurt, but that is not an excuse. they are missing Jefferson for goodness sake. Chandler’s absence does not excuse this defense at all

  46. JK47

    Getting CLOWNED by the Bobcats. 64 points allowed in the half. This team is disgracefully shitty. They wouldn’t know defense if it bit them in the ass. Kemba Walker has 17 points on 9 shots. This team can’t do shit on defense.

    Pathetic, horrendous performance.

  47. DRed

    We are most likely about to learn the hard way how valuable Tyson is.

    Also, Bargnani is fucking terrible. Don’t know if I’ve ever mentioned that.

  48. coyle022

    Just awful coaching. Not only is Bargnani starting, which is ridiculous in itself, but we are now running end-of-the-clock plays for him…brutal and as a fan this is difficult to watch

  49. Kevin Udwary Post author

    The Charlotte broadcast has a promotion going for half price pizza if the Bobcats score over 90. So there’s that. I can binge on Papa John’s to forget my sorrows.

  50. JK47

    Bargnani, playing center most of the game, has 0, I repeat 0 rebounds in 18 minutes.

    #theshipbesinking

  51. Brian Cronin

    Well, sometimes a Charlotte team missing Al Jefferson comes into your building and how can you be expected to win?

  52. Kahnzy

    The Charlotte broadcast has a promotion going for half price pizza if the Bobcats score over 90. So there’s that. I can binge on Papa John’s to forget my sorrows.

    Thanks for the laugh in the middle of this horrendous game.

  53. JK47

    I told you people all summer long that this guy was the worst at rebounding. The fucking worst.

    It’s okay though, because he’s only going to be used in the “Novak role.” Oh, what’s that? He’s the starting power forward? Wait, WHAT? HE’S THE STARTING CENTER?!?!?

  54. Kahnzy

    It’s okay though, because he’s only going to be used in the “Novak role.” Oh, what’s that? He’s the starting power forward? Wait, WHAT? HE’S THE STARTING CENTER?!?!?

    Yes, but he’s really good at drawing fouls! He’s already taken two whole free throws this season. Count ‘em. One. Two.

  55. Kikuchiyo

    What would it take—after all he has seen—for Herb Williams to launch into an expletive-filled tirade about how HE could suit up and play better interior defense? I think we’re almost there.

  56. JK47

    There’s no point in getting mad at Bargnani for playing shitty defense. It is just what he does. It’s like getting mad at a lion for eating a zebra.

  57. Brian Cronin

    They should still win this game. The Bobcats? Come on. I do like that Woodson broke the emergency glass surrounding K-Mart.

  58. Will the Thrill

    Watching Bargnani, I would like to know how a team’s offense was ever run through him because whenever he attempts to create anything he looks terrible.

  59. maxwell_3g

    I cant guarantee this (as Ive never been to the great North), but Im thinking that boos in New York can be louder than boos in Toronto. Im just sayin

  60. DRed

    Bargnani with his 1st rebound!!!! on an airball

    Hey, at least it’s progress.

    We’re getting out rebounded 31-19. I wonder how bad it would be without Bargs elite level boxing out.

  61. ephus

    I said it further up the board, but Hardaway has to make wide open 3s if he is going to stay on the floor. And now he sits down.

  62. Kahnzy

    We’re getting out rebounded 31-19. I wonder how bad it would be without Bargs elite level boxing out.

    If only we could find an elite level ball grabber to pair with Barg’s elite box outs.

  63. maxwell_3g

    We’re getting out rebounded 31-19. I wonder how bad it would be without Bargs elite level boxing out.

    and that sir is why we went big!! can you imagine how bad this would be in Woodson didn’t have Bargs in there at the 4??!! You do realize that he is a 7 footer, right??!!

  64. Brian Cronin

    Seriously, for however shitty they have played, they are totally absolutely winning this game.

  65. ephus

    A stop is not a stop until the defense grabs the rebound (or forces a turnover). At least David Lee grabbed defensive boards.

  66. maxwell_3g

    we really need to either start getting Aldrich some minutes or get tyler back in here, because we are going to need one of them this year. chandler gets hurt, and k-mart is very competent to fill in. but he can play anywhere near big minutes or he will break down. I DO NOT want to see Stat or Bargs at the 5

  67. Kahnzy

    Boy STAT looks bad…but I’m less worried about him than I am with our other issues. Last season was the same; his first few games were dreadful, but then he started eating the lunches of opposing team’s 2nd unit. I think his game will come around eventually such that he can be a net positive in his 10-20 minutes.

  68. Nick C.

    Is it some sort of rule that every season Amare has to be a turnover machine for his first 5-10 games?

  69. maxwell_3g

    for all my league pass friends, Hibbert and Drummond are going at each other hard right now. they clearly don’t like each other. hibbert is also about to get a blocks involved triple dub

  70. maxwell_3g

    the refs just had mercy on stat there. there is no way that you can convince me otherwise. they felt bad for the man

  71. Will the Thrill

    hibbert is also about to get a blocks involved triple dub

    He has 8 pts, 7 rebs, and 6 blocks, I guess you can say that’s close.

  72. Jack Bauer

    This is ugly. If they’re having this much trouble with the Bobcats, how will it go when they have to play the better teams?? The Offense is not smooth or efficient at all. On balance not a great start to the season.

  73. maxwell_3g

    we have he most expansive front court in NBA history….
    bargs- pathetic
    melo- been awful all game
    Tyson- hurt
    stat- hot garbage
    for all the complaing we do about TH2 and felton, those guys need to step up big time

  74. ephus

    Two things to remember.

    1. There is nothing that JR Smith cannot do on a basketball court.

    2. There is nothing that JR Smith will not do on a basketball court.

    I am looking forward, with a healthy dose of fear to the return of the Late Night Cyclist.

  75. maxwell_3g

    hibbert is also about to get a blocks involved triple dub

    He has 8 pts, 7 rebs, and 6 blocks, I guess you can say that’s close.

    yeah, I oversold that. I think he ended up with a zero double

  76. ephus

    Well, that was unfortunate. I really think that Woodson should bring Hubie Brown in to teach boxing out technique.

  77. Kahnzy

    Yeah, sure. Why wouldn’t Melo accidentally tip in a Charlotte shot? That kind of night. That kind of season so far. My forehead is starting to hurt from all of the *headdesk* I’m doing.

  78. coyle022

    what is with all of the tipping on rebounds? it’s not volleyball .. melo just tipped it in for CHA!! he definitely could have secured that one

  79. Kahnzy

    The fact that we might lose to Charlotte at home is worrisome. Even if we manage to win this game, the fact that it was even a game means we lost anyway. I’m hoping we’ll be like Indiana was last year in that they started very poorly, but got progressively better as the season went on.

  80. maxwell_3g

    I don’t know whats worse, forcing it to melo down the stretch or not forcing it to him so Raymond can take a 20 foot fallaway

  81. DRed

    If De Blasio really is a communist maybe he can seize the Knicks from capitalist dog Jimmy Dolan and give them back to the people

  82. maxwell_3g

    our 4th quarter offensive strategy is just sooo dumb again and again and again, game after game. woodson is reverting back to the worst of the iso Joe days. we have other competent offensive players, and yet we continue to play right into the defensive scheme

  83. JK47

    The saddest part about this loss is that it didn’t seem flukey at all– Charlotte looked like the clearly better team from wire to wire.

  84. MarcusRinaldi

    Refrained myself from commenting until the end of the game, but wow, how important is Tyson Chandler to our defense? Bobcats came in averaging like 85 ppg I believe? Really hope he’s all right because he has been one of the only bright-spots so far. One thing I’ve noticed from the second half of last year and so far this year, is Shumpert is only used on the offensive side of the court when he’s hot. If he misses his first and second shot once he comes in, they go away from him. Melo can claim to be “passive” all he wants, but when he moved the ball tonight we looked great. When Pablo is in the game we get that movement we need. Having said that, Mr.Metta World Peace scored alot, but was an ABSOLUTE BALL STOPPER on offense. I remember an interview from him a few years ago in which he claimed he was the best player in the NBA. He needs to find his role, and realize that it’s not being the focal point of the offense. Ever. Overall the lack of continuous ball-movement is the main issue I see on the offensive end. Amare simply looked lost. Rather then going into the paint each time and doing they same exact move, he should you know, occasionally use that mid-range jumper that used to be a thing of beauty. I get it that that’s Melo’s spot on the floor, but the offense looks like a complete s**t show, why not use what works. It’s still early in the year, but man, the way the offense looks right now I really miss the fast-paced D’Antoni offense that had Wilson Chandler, Gallo, and Amare draining jumpers and throwing alley-oops. It’s sad, but we really are extremely reliant on Mr. Pipe coming back and being a key contributor. The team at times simply looks slow and un-athletic. Can Metta World Peace jump? Oh well, rant over

  85. JK47

    I’m sure Ruru saw a lot of positives out there tonight, and that this game is just further evidence to him that this team is going to be outstanding.

  86. BigBlueAL

    Yeah, I hope Ruru takes tonight off. Not sure anyone here (including myself) wants to read any positive bullshit after this embarrassment.

  87. coyle022

    Watching Nuggets broadcast on this League Pass preview….they cut away from game just to show the Knicks dropping this one to the Bobcats and emphasize Carmelo’s 10-28 shooting night….we are semi-reverting back to the Isiah days…losing all faith in this organization…Andrea Bargnani…..Andrea Bargnani…..Andrea Bargnani

  88. JK47

    There’s only one thing that matters right now: how long is Tyson Chandler going to be out? Because this team is a lottery team without Tyson Chandler, and we ain’t got no lottery pick. Now THAT is a return to the Isiah days.

  89. flossy

    I don’t think I can watch a Knicks team without Tyson Chandler. Andrea Bargnani at Center is a sick joke, and Amar’e Stoudemire played the worst ten minutes of basketball I have ever seen. Carmelo Anthony had the ugliest, most zombified 30 point scoring game I’ve watched in quite a while, and the less said about Raymond Felton, the better. Really only Artest, K-Mart and (sort-of ) Shumpert came to play at all tonight or showed any signs of life once Chandler went down. I don’t think this team minus Tyson would win 30 games.

  90. ephus

    I really hope that Tyson Chandler is able to come back quickly.

    I strongly look forward to the return of JR Smith (1 more game).

    The Knicks need to sit Amar’e until he is healthier than he is now (which may be forever). He looked utterly lost.

    The Bargnani trade (which I supported, so this is not deep) does not look so hot through four games.

    MWP has more in the tank than I expected.

    I am quickly souring on Hardaway being in the rotation. He simply cannot hit an open 3 right now. And Charlotte was not closing out on him at all, which means no space for others when he gets the ball on the perimeter.

    Bad game for ‘Melo. And Woodson has to cut back on his minutes. 45 tonight is at least 10 too many. Maybe when JR Smith returns, Woodson will feel more comfortable with ‘Melo on the bench.

  91. Hubert

    Man, that was brutal. Glad my tickets were cheap.

    But hey let’s give Woodson credit where credit is due. He said before the game that his ultimate goal was to go big and our players were, in fact, taller than theirs. So mission accomplished.

    Crowd tonight was pretty vicious, too (not me, fwiw, I save my rants for the internet and like to be supportive at games). The garden really wants to hate AB, ad Amare is not getting any love, either.

    Onwards & upwards.

  92. er

    Boy this board is extra hyperbolic tonight. First off the Knicks are not a lottery team without Chandler. The problem is simple. PLAY SMALL. Put Melo in the post and have a C rotation of Martin,Barg and Chandler. JR will help this immensely as Melo wont have to play 45 min a game and literally lead the league in MPG. This will help with his fourth Q play. Woodson needs to figure out rotations fast

  93. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Shot creation … boxing-out … floor spacing … help defense … gel …

    And scene.

  94. JK47

    Bargnani is not being put in a situation where he can succeed. He was supposed to be playing the “Novak role” and that was it, but instead he’s starting at power forward, backing up the center position and in general being asked to do things that he is very obviously terrible at doing. All the talk we heard about how Bargnani was going to be a useful piece because he was going to be in a new role was nonsense. There was no brilliant masterstroke plan of acquiring Bargnani and making him more efficient by changing his role.

    You know who was great in the Steve Novak role? Steve Novak. Homeboy knocked down .472 and .425 of his treys in his two years here, and didn’t give anybody any big ideas about starting at power forward or playing a ton of minutes as backup center.

  95. Owen

    Man, Chandler can’t be hurt. Please no. Not the only reason to watch the Knicks, but close….

    Didn’t watch the game. But must have been ugly.

  96. er

    Bargnani is not being put in a situation where he can succeed. He was supposed to be playing the “Novak role” and that was it, but instead he’s starting at power forward, backing up the center position and in general being asked to do things that he is very obviously terrible at doing. All the talk we heard about how Bargnani was going to be a useful piece because he was going to be in a new role was nonsense. There was no brilliant masterstroke plan of acquiring Bargnani and making him more efficient by changing his role.

    Excellent point. Cant blame him for Woodsons stupidity. Start Ron or Pablo and plug in Barg in situations where he can succeed. I was gonna say stop playing stat also but with tyson out we have to

  97. hoolahoop

    Want to see something interesting? Take a look at the Nets box score.
    The whole roster played (thirteen players). The least minutes played was 11, and the most was 25.

  98. max fisher-cohen

    @er problem is you can’t count on Kenyon Martin to play a whole season. We had him for 18 games last season in which he played 24 MPG and he was burnt out by the time the playoffs came along. He hasn’t played over 60 games since 08/09. If Chandler is out a while and Martin’s out there playing 25 MPG again, I doubt he makes it into January as a healthy, effective player.

    The Knicks need to give Aldrich a chance, and if he doesn’t work, they need to find another guy who can defend and rebound and most importantly whom Woodson is willing to play. Even if Tyson isn’t hurt bad, you won’t make it to the playoffs healthy with Chandler playing 34 MPG and K-Mart as the nightly backup.

  99. er

    Want to see something interesting? Take a look at the Nets box score.
    The whole roster played (thirteen players). The least minutes played was 11, and the most was 25.

    Funny you mentioned that cuz most net fans were complaining about it before tonight. No rhythm and such. Anyway idk what that has to do with the Knicks. The Knicks need to fix combinations not mins except for Melo leading the league in MPG

  100. JK47

    There are not enough competent frontcourt players on the team, that much seems obvious to me. There’s Chandler and Melo, and then the rest of the frontcourt guys are either pitifully brittle (Amar’e, K-Mart) or stink (Amar’e, Bargnani). Ike Diogu was probably one of the better forwards on the team, not like he’s Mr. Durability himself.

    We have plenty of inefficient guards who shoot too much though. We got that shit COVERED.

  101. thenamestsam

    I’m sure ill have some more detailed thoughts in the morning but for now what can you say other than that was a garbage performance that reminded me of everything bad about the last decade of Knicks basketball. I really did expect them to win until the last minute no matter how bad they were doing because that Bobcats team is just awful. And zero extenuating circumstances. At home, day off yesterday, off a bad loss so they should be focused. Still only game 4 but that was dreadful. There can’t be any excuses for that. Every single guy should be embarrassed.

  102. Bison

    As I said before, it’s really depressing to realize that our season may depend on a cokehead who is recovering from a knee problem.

  103. d-mar

    Well, if they can’t get motivated for the rematch Friday (with or without Tyson) and maybe fight through a few screens INSTEAD OF SWITCHING EVERY GODDAMN POSSESSION and actually stay in front of Kemba Walker, then you really have to question the heart of this team.

  104. JK47

    Yeah, the amount of times they switched on Kemba was depressing. You can get a mismatch against the Knicks any time you want, just set a screen and watch them scramble around in random confusion. There are enough decent defensive players on this team– the team defense should not be a complete abortion like it has been the last two games.

  105. Jack Bauer

    What a clusterfuck that was. Losing to Charlotte, with them missing Jefferson no less, At Home, and to make the night complete – Chandler gets injured. Does it get any better than this ?!? You know it’s bad when the best hope is for JR to return (so he can be the chucker instead of THJ?) . I defended the trade up until now, but after watching him play a few games, I have to agree Bargnani is just such a waste of time out there (can you say it in Itailian?). They better right the ship soon or Dolan’s gonna have an anyurism right at court side…..on 2nd thought maybe that would solve the main problem.

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