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Wednesday, April 23, 2014

Game preview and thread: Knicks v. Celtics

Yawn.

Yet another “biggest game of the season.”  After the Sixers, two games against the Bucks, and the Easter Sunday miracle, I honestly struggled to find a reason to really get into this game.  But then I remembered that the Knicks still have a shot at the division crown with a win tonight!  The Knicks are just 4.5 games back of the Celtics with 6 games to play so there is still a chance.

To figure out what chance the Knicks have at the division, I ran a computer simulation that plays the rest of the season 100,000 times. I also accounted for 3,500 possible variations such as potential injuries, playoff teams resting starters, and the impact Atlanta’s famed strip clubs will have on the eFG% of JR Smith.  And what did the computer simulation tell me:

“Dude, get a life.”

Yeah, the Knicks are not winning the division but so what. That doesn’t mean we can’t win this game if for no other reason than to keep the god awful smirk off of Paul Pierce’s face for what will most likely be the last time we see him this season (and yes, his smirking on the bench counts).  Here is how we do it:

1. Stay in Rondo’s face

Every time I’ve watched the Celtics this year, I’ve noticed defenders dropping off Rondo.  The defenders seem to do this because they think Rondo can’t shoot.  And while this is true, the lack of pressure makes it just that much easier for Rondo to survey the defense and rack up the assists.  I get that defenders don’t want Rondo to blow past him, but the Knicks are the rare team that may be able to take Rondo out of his comfort zone.  The combination of Shumpert and Chandler present a real challenge.  Shumpert can stay in Rondo’s face and keep pressure on him, and if Rondo beats Shumpert, then Chandler should be waiting to protect the rim.  Rondo loves to dish after he draws in the bigs, so the Knicks have to do a good job of closing passing lanes and keeping a body on anyone who crashes the offensive boards.

2. Rebounding

The Celtics are not a strong rebounding team. They are 29th overall with only 39.2 boards per game.   They are also 28th in the NBA in Offensive Rating (100.8).  If the Knicks can control the glass, they can further  limit Boston on offense.  The Knicks inability to get key defensive rebounds has been a problem in the past.  Chandler can’t do it all but a simple box out from his teammates would do wonders.

3. Efficient offense

The Knicks offense sputters at times.  That is to be expected when a team is 21st overall in Offensive Rating (103.3).  Because the Celtics are such a strong defensive team (1st with 98.1) the Knicks can’t afford to waste possessions with bad shots and turnovers.   The Knicks should look to exploit the injury thinned Celtic line up by pushing the pace and attacking the basket.  Here is where the team really misses Lin.  Lin attacked the basket often which resulted in either contact, drawing in defenders for an assist, or the odd “how did he do that lay up.”  Rather than hoping the deep shots will drop tonight, the Knicks should attack the Celtic line.  Getting Garnett in foul trouble can only help matters.  Now if the Knicks would only knock down a few free throws.

 

All in all, this is a game the Knicks can win. One they must win to keep the fantasy of a Division title alive.

314 comments on “Game preview and thread: Knicks v. Celtics

  1. Thomas B. Post author

    Oh and I won’t edit your post to make you first if some other poster beat you to it. Please don’t ask me to do that.

  2. Robtachi

    I don’t know about another “biggest game of the year”.

    But I do like this as a tremendous moral victory. Split the season series with the hated Celtics, and in the process, beat one of the hottest and toughest defensive teams in the Association.

    I’d still like this game better if Amar’e could even give 20 minutes off the bench…

  3. Robtachi

    Fuck, I didn’t realize this doubled as the game thread itself.

    Fire Dolan!

    SHUMP SHUMP

  4. TelegraphedPass

    Rondo 3. Welp. Troll Rondo is definitely in the building tonight. The man loves national TV.

  5. Nick C.

    ABG:
    This is gonna be a long, ugly night.

    I was watching the Mets before this so its been ugly for awhile tonight. sigh

  6. ABG

    Nick C.: I was watching the Mets before this so its been ugly for awhile tonight. sigh

    I meant to say “if Rondo is going to hit threes.” But I’m not sure I need the qualifier, we seem to be a step slow.

  7. Nick C.

    It got a lot prettier quickly. 11-0 following the time out, since the foul was before the time out.

  8. cgreene

    All due respect to Tyson but he has now overplayed both Rondo and Garnett away from the basket and gotten beat on drives. Calm down!

  9. Kikuchiyo

    Does anyone doubt that the face we will associate with this season, win or lose, will be JR Smith’s? There’s something about that guy. I won’t know if I hate him or I love him until I see how the season ends.

  10. llcoolbp

    Kikuchiyo:
    Does anyone doubt that the face we will associate with this season, win or lose, will be JR Smith’s? There’s something about that guy. I won’t know if I hate him or I love him until I see how the season ends.

    Personally, I like the guy. Even the way he pushes the ball up the floor. As opposed to Davis who walks it up. I would rather play some combo of jr and shump at the point for most of the game. Davis needs to be limited to 15 minutes. Right as I’m typing this jr with a sweet dime to Jeffries. He had one earlier to Tyson.

  11. Nick C.

    Kikuchiyo:
    Does anyone doubt that the face we will associate with this season, win or lose, will be JR Smith’s? There’s something about that guy. I won’t know if I hate him or I love him until I see how the season ends.

    Tonight is the love him night. Hes sick right now.

  12. Owen

    I like Smith. Definitely not an old schooler’s favorite. Definitely boom or bust. But he has a track record of being a high efficiency scorer who can contribute elsewhere as well….

    It was a good pickup, though it has taken him a while to reacclimatize….

  13. llcoolbp

    I know smith might bolt after the season. He’s a perfect fit on this team. Coming off the bench. Te crowd plays off his energy. I hope he realizes what a great situation this is for him. Maybe he stays despite the pay cut.

  14. ephus

    Before I saw JR Smith on a nightly basis, I thought that he was just going to be a taller Nate Robinson — instant offense from a gunner with no conscience. He has been much more (and less) than that. The defensive effort has largely been strong. He has been a much more willing distributor than expected. He also has bottomless confidence in his shot, even when he is on a 2 for 11 streak.

    Knicks are a championship contender if Smith is the fifth best player on the team.

  15. Nick C.

    Outside of shooting, Smith can do a little of everything: bring the ball up, defend and grab s rebound. Hes even had a nine assist game FWIW.

  16. Nick C.

    Everyone is draining threes even Bibby. This reminds me of the Bulls game from early last season.

  17. art vandelay

    I know it sounds ridiculos, but Knicks need to maintain the defensive intensity…can’t let up against this veteran team….last year at end of season they played a game like this against boston @ MSG…were up nearly 20 in first half, only to blow it all in 4th quarter and ultimately lose.

  18. ruruland

    Owen:
    I like Smith. Definitely not an old schooler’s favorite. Definitely boom or bust. But he has a track record of being a high efficiency scorer who can contribute elsewhere as well….

    It was a good pickup, though it has taken him a while to reacclimatize….

    Glad he got your seal of approval…

  19. gjknick

    This is the Smith we heard about. The one that Ruru talked about. Man, if we could bottle that for the playoffs, my expectations would need a little revision! Then again, if he gets hot and stays hot through the playoffs, he’ll probobly get a better offer elsewhere next year. Damn!

  20. Gideon Zaga

    Lol that smile on Woodson’s face says it all, he’s getting an extension right now in my book..5 minutes from now maybe not but stay in the moment people

  21. Gideon Zaga

    Yep the Classic Rivers speech that always brings them back in the game..the inevitable

  22. massive

    Gideon Zaga:
    Yep the Classic Rivers speech that always brings them back in the game..the inevitable

    The fact that you have more faith in the Boston Celtics erasing a 21 point deficit than the Knicks holding on to win speaks volumes.

  23. Nick C.

    That’s at least the second.d 25foot buzzer beater from JR.Z Novakaine is crazy hot himself but is only a third wheel tonight.

  24. Owen

    ruruland: Glad he got your seal of approval…

    Smith has always been productive, though volatile…

    Don’t know why I am even watching this, since it’s only the fourth quarter that’s going to matter…..

  25. massive

    The #1 defense in the league has allowed our underachieving offense to score 72 points. What’s even better about all of this is that Paul Pierce has nothing to smile about.

  26. Frank O.

    Pretty amazing the lead is only 20.
    Weird to say that, but Boston is keeping things from getting out of hand.

  27. Gideon Zaga

    And who said the Denver offense was bad, 72 in the first half, somewhere George Karl is rolling on something

  28. ruruland

    Owen:
    ruruland: Glad he got your seal of approval…

    Smith has always been productive, though volatile…

    Don’t know why I am even watching this, since it’s only the fourth quarter that’s going to matter…..

    oh ok didn’t know that

  29. gjknick

    I’m not sure my eyes are functioning properly. Bibby with 3 points, 3 boards, 5 assists and 0 turnovers. Bring on the undead jokes/comments.

  30. ephus

    I am hoping that the Knicks put this away in the 3rd quarter and we see extended garbage time. It would be great to see 10 minutes of Jorts, TD and Bibby in the fourth quarter.

  31. ABG

    The only thing that could make me enjoy this broadcast more would be if Kenny Smith came out and hit Shaq in the back of the head with a folding chair, then took his rightful seat away.

  32. Frank O.

    ephus:
    I am hoping that the Knicks put this away in the 3rd quarter and we see extended garbage time.It would be great to see 10 minutes of Jorts, TD and Bibby in the fourth quarter.

    See….now u did it.
    You virtually guaranteed a celtics comeback.
    Shit

  33. daJudge

    How ’bout Stat, BD and Fields off the bench when Stat is healthy. Could solve the riddle and be crazy effective.

  34. Frank O.

    ABG:
    The only thing that could make me enjoy this broadcast more would be if Kenny Smith came out and hit Shaq in the back of the head with a folding chair, then took his rightful seat away.

    The tweet, Kenny got the flu like his rings: someone gave it to him, was killer.

  35. ephus

    If you suddenly see JR Smith sign a large promotional contract with a New York area company that does a lot of unrelated business with MSG, follow the money. JR Smith — official spokesman for Turner Construction Company. In unrelated news, the cost of the MSG renovation just went up by $5 million.

  36. daJudge

    Don’t be nervous Jake because the Knicks play defense. Although, I was at the Garden when the Knicks beat the Celts on Christmas Day after being behind by 20 or so. So, who knows. Real reality TV, right? Go Knicks.

  37. ephus

    Frank O.: See….now u did it.
    You virtually guaranteed a celtics comeback.
    Shit

    I do not have game effecting skills like that. You are confusing me with THCJ.

  38. Kikuchiyo

    gjknick:
    I’m not sure my eyes are functioning properly. Bibby with 3 points, 3 boards, 5 assists and 0 turnovers. Bring on the undead jokes/comments.

    He puts the “fun” in “funereal”?

  39. ephus

    daJudge:
    Don’t be nervous Jake because the Knicks play defense.Although, I was at the Garden when the Knicks beat the Celts on Christmas Day after being behind by 20 or so.So, who knows.Real reality TV, right?Go Knicks.

    I can still see the corner jumpshot that Ken “The Animal” Bannister hit. Had to be the longest make of his career.

  40. art vandelay

    Jake S.:
    Am I the only one who’s nervous that the Knicks are only up 19 after all this?

    No, I am still very nervous….they literally took just about the same lead against Boston in their final meeting of regular season last year, only for it to evaporate by end of game and lose….Knicks are good at building leads very quickly and also squandering them quickly….great that they are up, I am psyched, but still on edge, unfortunately…especially against boston!

  41. Mulligan

    Wait, what? Missed the first half. What happened?! Looking at the play by play, it’s basically just Novak 3 point shot, JR Smith 3 point shot. Whaaaat?

  42. ABG

    ephus:
    If you suddenly see JR Smith sign a large promotional contract with a New York area company that does a lot of unrelated business with MSG, follow the money.JR Smith — official spokesman for Turner Construction Company.In unrelated news, the cost of the MSG renovation just went up by $5 million.

    I know fans always talk about stuff like this, but I can’t imagine all contracts and endorsements aren’t highly scrutinized by the league (and particularly by competing teams). We are talking about nine and ten figure businesses–they aren’t going to allow themselves to be hurt by outright fraud.

  43. David Crockett

    God Bless America Baron Davis.
    Why must you fuck up everything you touch these days?

  44. massive

    Now both Celtics I sorta like are injured. It would be devastating for the Cs if he can’t get up.

  45. ephus

    ABG: I know fans always talk about stuff like this, but I can’t imagine all contracts and endorsements aren’t highly scrutinized by the league (and particularly by competing teams).We are talking about nine and ten figure businesses–they aren’t going to allow themselves to be hurt by outright fraud.

    I was kidding. Not even the Dolans are foolish enough to try to money launder extra salary to a player. If they ever got caught, it would make the penalties that the NBA imposed on Glen Taylor and Minnesota for the the Joe Smith fiasco look like a walk in the park. I could even see Stern requiring that MSG sell off the team.

  46. Caleb

    ephus: I was kidding.Not even the Dolans are foolish enough to try to money launder extra salary to a player.If they ever got caught, it would make the penalties that the NBA imposed on Glen Taylor and Minnesota for the the Joe Smith fiasco look like a walk in the park.I could even see Stern requiring that MSG sell off the team.

    I don’t think I’ll ever see a better argument for cheating.

  47. art vandelay

    Here is where celts chip away….knicks over limit in first 4 minutes of the quarter….terrible.

  48. Frank O.

    Baron is single-handedly allowing the celts back into tis. Poor shooting, poorer passing and stupid fouls.
    Sick of him

  49. Caleb

    Game starting to get away from us, almost single-handedly through Baron Davis.. a little help from Landry.

  50. Bruno Almeida

    Baron is such a huge liability, it’s depressing.

    put Walker in, Bibby, anyone please.

  51. Gideon Zaga

    Melo’s second jump is like the guy from the planet of the apes, damn that second jump is crazy

  52. llcoolbp

    This game is getting very chippy. Knicks have to be careful. Boston is a very dirty team. Can’t have anymore injuries this close to the playoffs.

  53. David Crockett

    The Knicks get away with a lot of hands on D.

    The Celts get away with a lot of extra contact.

  54. Mulligan

    llcoolbp:
    This game is getting very chippy. Knicks have to be careful. Boston is a very dirty team. Can’t have anymore injuries this close to the playoffs.

    For real. It kinda looked like Melo was just drawing the foul from Stiemsma so he could barrel into him during the shot.

  55. Gideon Zaga

    But on a serious note, the way Anthony plays I think he should be buffed up more instead of staying lean as most of you here have often suggested, he plays like a bully, like a running back, he needs to have more meat to absorb all that contact at the rim.

  56. Mulligan

    Why did it take this game for the PG’s to figure out how to run a pick and roll with Chandler?

  57. Doug

    Gideon Zaga:
    Melo’s second jump is like the guy from the planet of the apes, damn that second jump is crazy

    It’s like video game fast. Double-tapping the “jump” button.

  58. Doug

    Mulligan:
    Why did it take this game for the PG’s to figure out how to run a pick and roll with Chandler?

    Maybe it’s because the Celtics are taking away the 3 pointers this quarter?

  59. llcoolbp

    ephus:
    Have I mentioned how much I hate Paul Pierce?It

    Seriously. Paul pierce is this generations Reggie miller. I can’t stand him. Obviously if he was a knick he would be my favorite of all time.

  60. massive

    Paul Pierce has taken 14 free throws. Do the referees think he has weaker bones or something?

  61. Mulligan

    Doug: Maybe it’s because the Celtics are taking away the 3 pointers this quarter?

    Word. Not so used to the Knicks adjusting and finding more than one way to beat at team I guess!

  62. Caleb

    wonder why they can’t have replay for a play like that. That is some bad karma.

    @136 I would say Melo usually gets the star treatment but no one in the league gets the Paul Pierce treatment except PP.

  63. llcoolbp

    Off pierces toe there. Fucking refs! The NBA is so frustrating with these shitty and biased refs. Fucking gamble on games and are always biased. God it pisses me off.

  64. Gideon Zaga

    Looks like everything Thomas B. warned us about happened on that last Boston possession, glad they defended it well.

  65. David Crockett

    Doug:
    Refs calling two entirely different halves smh

    This is why you don’t get chippy and keep the chatter to a minimum. Once the refs think a fight is brewing they’ll call everything.

  66. David Crockett

    Gideon Zaga:
    Looks like everything Thomas B. warned us about happened on that lastBoston possession, glad they defended it well.

    Loving that these Knicks get stops. But the offense is starting from too far out.

  67. ABG

    Frank O.:
    Eltics with 30 FTs
    To the knicks 17
    Ridiculous. And at msg

    Well, the Knicks have been hoisting up and making 3′s all day. That will impact how much you’re going to the line.

  68. Frank O.

    ABG: Well, the Knicks have been hoisting up and making 3?s all day.That will impact how much you’re going to the line.

    Not in the second half.

  69. Frank O.

    ABG: Well, the Knicks have been hoisting up and making 3?s all day.That will impact how much you’re going to the line.

    Not in the second half.

  70. Caleb

    and again.

    I guess as long as we shoot 19/31 from 3, we can beat the celtics. Of course we’ve let them shoot 11/20.

  71. Gideon Zaga

    At this point, I think Novak is more important to the team than Lin. Give him the MLE Dolan.

  72. ephus

    Melo saw that he needed to take over the game, and he did — by hitting Novak for two straight 3s.

    Extremely smart playing by Melo. Plus, when other teams watch this film, they are going to be less likely to double team Melo on the catch in the high post during crunch time.

  73. Gideon Zaga

    who cares, we deserve this, too many close game with the celts anyways, won by 1 on opening night, lost by 2 and by 4 points in Boston, lets blow them out for once fight offense with offense haha

    Caleb:
    and again.

    I guess as long as we shoot 19/31 from 3, we can beat the celtics. Of course we’ve let them shoot 11/20.

  74. Thomas B. Post author

    SLY:
    Novak on Fire, he better get an A+ for this,

    I don’t know. 26 minutes with no rebounds does not bode well.

  75. Gideon Zaga

    haha the last time Melo had a triple double was against a Dantoni team, surprise surprise

  76. daJudge

    Right Caleb—where the hell was the D? Awful effort on D in the third and fourth quarters. Fool’s gold. Who guarded Pierce tonight? Sorry to be negative, but really the D was awful. Generally our guards were terrible tonight, except for Bibby who stepped up. I can’t believe a win against the Celtics feels so shitty.

  77. Gideon Zaga

    Thomas really on par for most hated man tonight if Novak doesn’t get an A

    Thomas B.: I don’t know. 26 minutes with no rebounds does not bode well.

  78. Gideon Zaga

    You can see Melo wanted this tonight, after that Novak three, he pointed to the celebrating Novak to slow his roll haha how about the leadership guys

  79. Caleb

    @202, i’ll just say it was a weird game. Emotions high, both teams playing out of character. YOu’re not going to win too many playing that kind of D, but then, the Celtics could say the same. Nice catching them on 4th game in 5 nights, though. And they’ve got Orlando, tomorrow. I’d guess O-town clinches the 6-seed in that one.

  80. Gideon Zaga

    Dude relax, its a shortened season. Same thing happened when Miami played Boston, glad to see we are on the better end of this one. Like my grand kids say a win is win is a win is a win or something like that.

    daJudge:
    Right Caleb—where the hell was the D?Awful effort on D in the third and fourth quarters.Fool’s gold.Who guarded Pierce tonight?Sorry to be negative, but really the D was awful. Generally our guards were terrible tonight, except for Bibby who stepped up.I can’t believe a win against the Celtics feels so shitty.

  81. Caleb

    And, I don’t remember who said it, but as good as Novak was, I don’t see how anyone can come away from that game thinking he’s more valuable than Lin is. If we had even average PG play we would have won by 20+ .

  82. er

    Who said that ?

    Caleb:
    And, I don’t remember who said it, but as good as Novak was, I don’t see how anyone can come away from that game thinking he’s more valuable than Lin is. If we had even average PG play we would have won by 20+ .

  83. er

    Who said that he was?

    Caleb:
    And, I don’t remember who said it, but as good as Novak was, I don’t see how anyone can come away from that game thinking he’s more valuable than Lin is. If we had even average PG play we would have won by 20+ .

  84. JC Knickfan

    Shit man – hoping we still get Novak for bi-annual exceptions, but games like this going make it impossible.

  85. Frank O.

    Caleb:
    And, I don’t remember who said it, but as good as Novak was, I don’t see how anyone can come away from that game thinking he’s more valuable than Lin is. If we had even average PG play we would have won by 20+ .

    Yep. Fucking Baron made it a game

  86. er

    Big 3 didn’t play last game

    Caleb:
    @202, i’ll just say it was a weird game. Emotions high, both teams playing out of character. YOu’re not going to win too many playing that kind of D, but then, the Celtics could say the same. Nice catching them on 4th game in 5 nights, though. And they’ve got Orlando, tomorrow. I’d guess O-town clinches the 6-seed in that one.

  87. Kikuchiyo

    I know the 7th and 8th spots don’t bode well for playoff matchups, but I’m REALLY happy that we won’t be playing Boston in the first round. Let someone else mess with these guys.

  88. Gamecockerbocker

    Gideon Zaga:
    At this point, I think Novak is more important to the team than Lin. Give him the MLE Dolan.

    And let who run the point next year?

  89. daJudge

    Gideon, you’re probably right. I’m really glad my grandkids weren’t staying over tonight! It would not have been cool. On the other hand, I’m usually stupid optimistic, so I don’t know what set me off. Maybe it was the sick shooting and knowing that but for that we would have lost bad.

  90. Doug

    daJudge:
    Right Caleb—where the hell was the D?Awful effort on D in the third and fourth quarters.Fool’s gold.Who guarded Pierce tonight?Sorry to be negative, but really the D was awful. Generally our guards were terrible tonight, except for Bibby who stepped up.I can’t believe a win against the Celtics feels so shitty.

    I can’t tell if I’m being trolled or not. This was the most enjoyable win of the season, by a long shot.

  91. Gideon Zaga

    I said it, Novak looked valuable this game more than Lin or maybe I’m not missing Lin at all. Anyhow considering how he fell into our lap, I’m sure he is easily replaceable. Novak on the other hand, best 3 pt shooter in the league, come on he’s on the level shooting wise of Allen, Miller and Kerr. I don’t think that’s replaceable.

  92. Robtachi

    Wait, are people serious? I know it wasn’t a sterling defensive effort tonight, but the Knicks just handed the NBA’s hottest team post-break its own ass in pretty convincing fashion save for a late, and insufficient run in the 4th.

  93. Gideon Zaga

    Mike James, triple x or teen wolf or another PAWS product. I’m sure we’ll find someone. Look at the PG playing field, even the Lakers are getting by with Sessions. They’re the easiest to replace. It’s the deepest position in the league.

    Gamecockerbocker: And let who run the point next year?

  94. daJudge

    Doug, I’m not sure what trolling means exactly, but I just didn’t really enjoy the game overall. Hey, it’s a great win though. Glad you loved it and sure it’s cool that we won. Enjoy.

  95. ruruland

    daJudge:
    Right Caleb—where the hell was the D?Awful effort on D in the third and fourth quarters.Fool’s gold.Who guarded Pierce tonight?Sorry to be negative, but really the D was awful. Generally our guards were terrible tonight, except for Bibby who stepped up.I can’t believe a win against the Celtics feels so shitty.

    I don’t understand the point of being a fan.

  96. ruruland

    Owen:
    Half glass full, half glass empty, this board is never changing, not until we win a title….

    Are you condoning that kind of attitude? Why would it change after a title?

  97. Thomas B. Post author

    Gideon Zaga:
    Thomas really on par for most hated man tonight if Novak doesn’t get an A

    Even more hated than Baron Davis, and the refs?

  98. Gideon Zaga

    So Melo finally gets a triple double and this blog goes meh. Really? meh? like it was against the Celtics you know? Well still meh. We were missing Amare and Lin you know. Wishing I could channel my thcj voice here: MEH!!! lol you fans are cold.

  99. ruruland

    Gideon Zaga:
    So Melo finally gets a triple double and this blog goes meh. Really? meh? like it was against the Celtics you know? Well still meh. We were missing Amare and Lin you know. Wishing I could channel my thcj voice here: MEH!!! lol you fans are cold.

    Disgusting.

  100. johnno

    Point guards are easy to replace?? Huh??

    Gideon Zaga: Mike James, triple x or teen wolf or another PAWS product. I’m sure we’ll find someone. Look at the PG playing field, even the Lakers are getting by with Sessions. They’re the easiest to replace. It’s the deepest position in the league.

  101. JC Knickfan

    Gideon Zaga:
    At this point, I think Novak is more important to the team than Lin. Give him the MLE Dolan.

    Geez you know Lin very tradeble asset. I guessing Ainge would trade Rondo for Lin, Fields and probably Shump which salary wise should actually match next year. With Rondo I say Knicks would be elite team given his defense and how he runs a team.
    Come playoff time – Novak still very slow off screen. Teams will stick too him like glue. He so one dimensional it’s not funny. I would take Kyle Korver any day over him.
    Don’t get me wrong – love Novak to death given the way he play for Knicks this year, but that all he give you is 3pt shooting nothing else.

  102. Robtachi

    Gideon Zaga:
    So Melo finally gets a triple double and this blog goes meh. Really? meh? like it was against the Celtics you know? Well still meh. We were missing Amare and Lin you know. Wishing I could channel my thcj voice here: MEH!!! lol you fans are cold.

    I’m with you. Melo flat out styled on the C’s and may have been outscored by Pierce, but outplayed him and got the W.

  103. Robtachi

    JC Knickfan: Geez you know Lin very tradeble asset. I guessing Ainge would trade Rondo for Lin, Fields and probably Shump which salary wise should actually match next year. With Rondo I say Knicks would be elite team given his defense and how he runs a team.
    Come playoff time – Novak still very slow off screen. Teams will stick too him like glue. He so one dimensional it’s not funny.I would take Kyle Korver any day over him.
    Don’t get me wrong – love Novak to death given the way he play for Knicks this year, but that all he give you is 3pt shooting nothing else.

    I keep hoping, hoping against hope, even… Every time Novak went to the basket to box out I screamed out in my head (yes, a contradiction) “JUST GRAB ONE BOARD OVER SOMEBODY, YOU’RE 6’10!” But alas, a single solitary muscle in his upper torso, Steve Novak has naught.

  104. Gideon Zaga

    Yep well Lin still not able to go left, too much turnover…. they all have their flaws but If I had a choice I’d take Novak over Lin. Plus guess what he is only good at one thing and most likely will never get hurt. Furthermore Lin’s style of play will make him a part time player, he can’t keep taking all those hits and play full seasons. There’s a reason pg’s play on the perimeter.

    JC Knickfan: Geez you know Lin very tradeble asset. I guessing Ainge would trade Rondo for Lin, Fields and probably Shump which salary wise should actually match next year. With Rondo I say Knicks would be elite team given his defense and how he runs a team.
    Come playoff time – Novak still very slow off screen. Teams will stick too him like glue. He so one dimensional it’s not funny.I would take Kyle Korver any day over him.
    Don’t get me wrong – love Novak to death given the way he play for Knicks this year, but that all he give you is 3pt shooting nothing else.

  105. Gideon Zaga

    Yep well Lin still not able to go left, too much turnover…. they all have their flaws but If I had a choice I’d take Novak over Lin. Plus guess what he is only good at one thing and most likely will never get hurt. Furthermore Lin’s style of play will make him a part time player, he can’t keep taking all those hits and play full seasons. There’s a reason pg’s play on the perimeter..

    JC Knickfan: Geez you know Lin very tradeble asset. I guessing Ainge would trade Rondo for Lin, Fields and probably Shump which salary wise should actually match next year. With Rondo I say Knicks would be elite team given his defense and how he runs a team.
    Come playoff time – Novak still very slow off screen. Teams will stick too him like glue. He so one dimensional it’s not funny.I would take Kyle Korver any day over him.
    Don’t get me wrong – love Novak to death given the way he play for Knicks this year, but that all he give you is 3pt shooting nothing else.

  106. ruruland

    Robtachi: I’m with you.Melo flat out styled on the C’s and may have been outscored by Pierce, but outplayed him and got the W.

    Neither of them guarded each other very much. Pierce played an amazing game and got an incredible whistle. The Celtics were extremely hot, too. Bradley and Rondo a combined 7-10 from 3?

    You could easily flip this thing around and say that if the Celtics get 43 from Pierce, a great whistle(+17 fts), and 7 3s from their starting back-court, they’re probably going to win 99 out of 100 times.

    Not only have they been the hottest team in the league, they’ve beaten the tops teams. They’ve been far and away the best defense in the NBA postbreak, the Knicks just put 118 on them without a point guard capable of entering the paint and without their second and third best scorers. It’s all pretty much insane.

  107. Caleb

    @241 it may be the deepest position in the league but it’s still easier to find a one-dimensional, deadeye 3-point shooter -especially when you tell them they can line up on a good team with Melo, Amare & Lin. Shawne Williams led the league in 3-point shooting most of last year. We’ll see what happens. I think there’s a good chance the Knicks can keep 2/3 of Lin, Novak & J.R. and I can pretty much guarantee it will be Lin plus one of the others. (unless they swing a deal with Nash, instead). J.R. is more likely to get a strong offer from someone, so if I had to guess, Lin & Novak will both be back. We shall see…

  108. ruruland

    Caleb:
    A Nuggets fan is never satisfied…

    I guess I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to see a little more enthusiasm after a game like that. I know it’s not a playoff win, but it is something this team can build some confidence from. Right now i love its chances of running the table. Now Atlanta and Orlando need to cooperate.

    Also, I’m a Knicks fan whether you like it or not.

  109. MKinLA

    Complaining about Novak’s game tonight is really, truly ridiculous. Go take a walk, get some fresh air, and look at the freakin’ box score again!

  110. Gideon Zaga

    lol hey that’s why they call him role player and not superstar, if Chandler could create his own shot he’ll be in the top 5. Same way if Novak could board he’ll be a hall of famer, still can be though. Its not his role. Hey but if Bowen got in for defense, i say Novak has a chance with his shooting. Hey Miller and Allen already did right.

    Robtachi: I keep hoping, hoping against hope, even… Every time Novak went to the basket to box out I screamed out in my head (yes, a contradiction) “JUST GRAB ONE BOARD OVER SOMEBODY, YOU’RE 6’10!”But alas, a single solitary muscle in his upper torso, Steve Novak has naught.

  111. johnlocke

    Great performances by Melo, Novak and 1st half JR. Bibby quietly gave us some great minutes. Now do we root Orlando or Boston tomm?? I really hate Boston but Orlando more likely to collapse

  112. jon abbey

    great win, Melo was incredible and of course Smith/Novak. somehow we just won a game against Boston where Mike Bibby was our 5th best player, great win.

    triple double for our hero!

  113. ruruland

    Robtachi: I keep hoping, hoping against hope, even… Every time Novak went to the basket to box out I screamed out in my head (yes, a contradiction) “JUST GRAB ONE BOARD OVER SOMEBODY, YOU’RE 6’10!”But alas, a single solitary muscle in his upper torso, Steve Novak has naught.

    Right and that’s the difference between him and a guy like Bonner — who can defend a little bit in the post, grab rebounds and not paralyze the offense if he can’t get his shot off.

    Some teams find ways to get great role players like that. Novak has to shoot so well to be an asset. If he’s a 37-38 percent 3pt shooter you can’t afford to have him on the floor very long.

  114. Gideon Zaga

    really?? you think its much easier to find a one dimensional deadeye 3-point shooter, wait , AS GOOD AS NOVAK. are you kidding me? Novak at a point was averaging almost 50% from 3, do you know how historic that is. It’s almost like he is the Michael Jordan of 3pt shooters. I’m sorry but I respectfully disagree.

    Caleb:
    @241 it may be the deepest position in the league but it’s still easier to find a one-dimensional, deadeye 3-point shooter -especially when you tell them they can line up on a good team with Melo, Amare & Lin.Shawne Williams led the league in 3-point shooting most of last year. We’ll see what happens. I think there’s a good chance the Knicks can keep 2/3 of Lin, Novak & J.R. and I can pretty much guarantee it will be Lin plus one of the others. (unless they swing a deal with Nash, instead). J.R. is more likely to get a strong offer from someone, so if I had to guess, Lin & Novak will both be back. We shall see…

  115. ruruland

    Gideon Zaga:
    lol hey that’s why they call him role player and not superstar, if Chandler could create his own shot he’ll be in the top 5. Same way if Novak could board he’ll be a hall of famer, still can be though. Its not his role. Hey but if Bowen got in for defense, i say Novak has a chance with his shooting. Hey Miller and Allen already did right.

    To Novak’s credit, his defense is almost passable at times. He gets his hands in there on occasion and doesn’t give up dunks every time he’s stuck on the perimeter. He’s just offers no resistance inside.

  116. cgreene

    Pretty surprising that Melo is not getting a bit more attention here. Kind of like the topic no one wants to touch. Let me go out on a limb: Melo has been the best player in the NBA for the last 14 or15 games.

  117. BigBlueAL

    Ive been meaning to post something positive about Melo (only saw parts of the 2nd half, plan on watching full game soon) but Im still trying to comprehend how someone actually believes Novak is more valuable than Lin, deserves the full mid-level and is harder to replace on this team than Lin….

  118. ruruland

    Gideon Zaga:
    really?? you think its much easier to find a one dimensional deadeye 3-point shooter, wait , AS GOOD AS NOVAK. are you kidding me? Novak at a point was averaging almost 50% from 3, do you know how historic that is. It’s almost like he is the Michael Jordan of 3pt shooters. I’m sorry but I respectfully disagree.

    If Novak can shoot like this moving forward he’ll be the greatest 3pt shooter of all time because his shots per minute is pretty high.

    If somehow Novak and Smith come back next year there were will be more nights like this which is pretty incredible to think about — having two of the most prolific 3 pt shooters on the same bench.

  119. ruruland

    cgreene:
    Pretty surprising that Melo is not getting a bit more attention here.Kind of like the topic no one wants to touch.Let me go out on a limb: Melo has been the best player in the NBA for the last 14 or15 games.

    Owen and co. are waiting for his next bad game to chime in. Cowards.

  120. johnlocke

    Atl has a tough schedule, forgot about them…so unpredictable have beaten Chicago Oklahoma and Miami this year but Can lose to Detroit. If we handle our biz, btw Orlando Atlanta and Boston something has to give for 6th or better…I hope. We have clinched the playoffs with that win in my mind…looking at schedules.

    ruruland: I guess I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to see a little more enthusiasm after a game like that. I know it’s not a playoff win, but it is something this team can build some confidence from. Right now i love its chances of running the table. Now Atlanta and Orlando need to cooperate.

    Also, I’m a Knicks fan whether you like it or not.

  121. Gideon Zaga

    I’ll make it easy for you, say you inserted Mike James for Lin earlier in the season; we possible sit here with Jamesanity. All I’m saying is having the best 3pt shooter in the league by far is a little more valuable than a 15-20 pg, where pg is the deepest position in the league.

    BigBlueAL:
    Ive been meaning to post something positive about Melo (only saw parts of the 2nd half, plan on watching full game soon) but Im still trying to comprehend how someone actually believes Novak is more valuable than Lin, deserves the full mid-level and is harder to replace on this team than Lin….

  122. Owen

    “Owen and co. are waiting for his next bad game to chime in. Cowards.”

    You are a really strange dude….

  123. ruruland

    Owen:
    “Owen and co. are waiting for his next bad game to chime in. Cowards.”

    You are a really strange dude….

    Yeah, ok.

  124. jon abbey

    johnlocke:
    Atl has a tough schedule, forgot about them…so unpredictable have beaten Chicago Oklahoma and Miami this year but Can lose to Detroit. If we handle our biz, btw Orlando Atlanta and Boston something has to give for 6th or better…I hope. We have clinched the playoffs with that win in my mind…looking at schedules.

    those teams all have 36 wins, and we have 29 losses. even if we win out, 2 wins from each of them and we’re in 6th. chances are pretty huge we play Miami in the 2/7 matchup, they probably have a bigger chance to move out of that pairing (to 1) then we do.

  125. BigBlueAL

    Gideon Zaga:
    I’ll make it easy for you, say you inserted Mike James for Lin earlier in the season; we possible sit here with Jamesanity. All I’m saying is having the best 3pt shooter in the league by far is a little more valuable than a 15-20 pg, where pg is the deepest position in the league.

    Sorry, you’re nuts. Mike James doesnt lead this team to a 7 game winning streak. There is no Steve Novak w/o Linsanity btw since Novak is totally dependent on his teammates setting him up and his great play started when Lin took over and the Knicks finally had a PG capable of setting others up.

  126. Juany8

    I cosign Melo being the best player in the NBA since Woodson came in, the guy just had hall of fame games against the Bulls, Heat, and Celtics in a little over a week. Also, if Chandler can keep stepping up like today on offense, this team is capable of beating anyone, even without lin

  127. ruruland

    johnlocke:
    Atl has a tough schedule, forgot about them…so unpredictable have beaten Chicago Oklahoma and Miami this year but Can lose to Detroit. If we handle our biz, btw Orlando Atlanta and Boston something has to give for 6th or better…I hope. We have clinched the playoffs with that win in my mind…looking at schedules.

    It’s long odds after Orlando’s win last night. Memphis might rest in the finale and they get Boston tomorrow on a b2b. Celtics might be resting a bunch of guys, too.

    But if none of those teams finish with 29 wins there’s still a chance Miami overtakes Chicago.

  128. JC Knickfan

    johnlocke:
    Atl has a tough schedule, forgot about them…so unpredictable have beaten Chicago Oklahoma and Miami this year but Can lose to Detroit. If we handle our biz, btw Orlando Atlanta and Boston something has to give for 6th or better…I hope. We have clinched the playoffs with that win in my mind…looking at schedules.

    No non these teams have to give. Basically you asking for one these team to go 1-4 and Knicks going 5-0. Then also winning tiebreaker.

  129. BigBlueAL

    Lin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all but roughly 15 pg’s in the NBA

    Lin is not an All-Star type player yet but right now he is a very good starting caliber NBA PG who you would hope hasnt reached his peak yet. Lin at 5 mil/yr is a bargain. Novak at 5 mil/yr is a huge mistake that someone like Isiah would make as a GM.

  130. ruruland

    jon abbey: those teams all have 36 wins, and we have 29 losses. even if we win out, 2 wins from each of them and we’re in 6th. chances are pretty huge we play Miami in the 2/7 matchup, they probably have a bigger chance to move out of that pairing (to 1) then we do.

    Right, it seems that way but you have four possible scenarios to avoid playing Miami. I have to think that there’s at least a decent chance one of those scenarios plays out.

  131. ruruland

    BigBlueAL: Sorry, you’re nuts.Mike James doesnt lead this team to a 7 game winning streak.There is no Steve Novak w/o Linsanity btw since Novak is totally dependent on his teammates setting him up and his great play started when Lin took over and the Knicks finally had a PG capable of setting others up.

    I think the point Gideon is making is that there’s a chance that we could be looking at diminishing returns with Lin and Melo, whereas Novak is out-of-this-world efficient in his very small role. A role that’s perfect for what the team needs.

    With Lin, we’ve yet to really see him embrace the idea that he could be really good playing off Melo much of the time. He seems to want to control the offense at all times.

  132. BigBlueAL

    Guys, who cares if we play Miami in the 1st round. Dont get me wrong of course Id rather get the 6th seed or even play the Bulls but shit a 1st round series vs the Heat should be fun as hell.

    Unfortunately it will be real difficult to win more than 1 game vs them but still Id look forward to the challenge. The Knicks are not winning the title this year so hell lets at least give the Heat a really good scare in the 1st round.

  133. johnlocke

    The Knicks already have the tie breaker against Orlando. If we beat ATL we’ll have the tie breaker against them. It’s not inconceivable to end the season on a losing streak and looking at Orlando’s schedule and their roster, it’s at least 50/50 they go 1-4, …I think the bigger if is us winning out. The one win they will def. get is the tanking Bobcats, so once Orlando beats someone not named the Bobcats (and take a quick peek at how ATL is doing) then we can start tanking for 8th =). Don’t think Miami is overtaking Chicago looking at the schedules / tie breakers

    JC Knickfan: No non these teams have to give. Basically you asking for one these team to go 1-4 and Knicks going 5-0.Then also winning tiebreaker.

  134. BigBlueAL

    ruruland: I think the point Gideon is making is that there’s a chance that we could be looking at diminishing returns with Lin and Melo, whereas Novak is out-of-this-world efficient in his very small role. A role that’s perfect for what the team needs.

    With Lin, we’ve yet to really see him embrace the idea that he could be really good playing off Melo much of the time. He seems to want to control the offense at all times.

    He seemed pretty content before he got hurt since they were 6-1 under Woodson with some really good wins where he had a huge impact in the 4th quarter.

    Melo and Lin seem to really get along and like each other so Im not worried at all about them playing together. To me they are a much better fit than Amar’e with Melo.

  135. Juany8

    BigBlueAL:
    Lin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all but roughly 15 pg’s in the NBA

    Lin is not an All-Star type player yet but right now he is a very good starting caliber NBA PG who you would hope hasnt reached his peak yet.Lin at 5 mil/yr is a bargain.Novak at 5 mil/yr is a huge mistake that someone like Isiah would make as a GM.

    I’m possibly the biggest Lin “hater” on this board and I fully endorse this. Novak is the kind of player that can be replaced every year, Shawne Williams was doing that just last year for the Knicks and he sucks now. Lin should be the PG of the future unless Nash becomes available, but ruru is right that Lin needs to learn to blend in with Melo, not the other way around as D’Antoni wanted earlier in the year.

  136. JC Knickfan

    Juany8:
    I cosign Melo being the best player in the NBA since Woodson came in, the guy just had hall of fame games against the Bulls, Heat, and Celtics in a little over a week. Also, if Chandler can keep stepping up like today on offense, this team is capable of beating anyone, even without lin

    Knicks just shot 56.8% FG 59.4% 3pt and 88.2% FT and we only won by 8 at home. This should be 20pt blowout not almost nailbiter at the end. I don’t anyone on this board with them being 7th or 8th seed would bet significant amount money for Knicks win 1st round playoff.

  137. jon abbey

    that was only the second triple double of Melo’s career, first was in 2007 in a loss. he’s got to be playing the best ball of his life the last few weeks, so impressive.

  138. Gideon Zaga

    really now?? and what are the Knicks record without their all world pg who is the only one capable of setting people up?. Look Lin’s greatest assest is not setting people up, its actually attacking off the pnr which opened up the passing lanes and yeah he is actually bad at passing due to his tunnel vision. Like I said earlier in the season, Dantoni needed a pg like Lin or Nash to win. On this team with Melo and Amare. Lin’s role???? is not really required, its simply a luxury. Other can attack of the dribble as effectively as he does. yeah so on our team actually Mike James = Lin.

    BigBlueAL: Sorry, you’re nuts.Mike James doesnt lead this team to a 7 game winning streak.There is no Steve Novak w/o Linsanity btw since Novak is totally dependent on his teammates setting him up and his great play started when Lin took over and the Knicks finally had a PG capable of setting others up.

  139. BigBlueAL

    I definitely now believe the Knicks can win out. The 6th seed I dont think is out of the question yet. But again if the Knicks win out or go 4-1 to finish the season I dont care who they play I will just be thrilled with the way they finished the season.

  140. Z-man

    Any win vs. the a-holes from Beantown is HUGE, fuck Paul Pierce. It was nice to see them limping out of the Garden. I hope they lose in the first round because of this game. They are a gritty, savvy group, though, and I do like Doc Rivers.

    Garnett just doesn’t miss, does he?

    Melo is, as Kobe put it, a Ba-a-a-a-d Boy!!! Was with a friend from Boston last night who was down on Melo, glad he has that performance to chew on for a while.

  141. Juany8

    Also, how in the world did anyone watch that Miami game and come away scared of the Heat? The Knicks played terrible and are still dealing with a bunch of injuries, yet they were right there and could have easily pulled it off until Melo just got totally exhausted and started jacking up 3′s. Chandler, Melo, and Shump are perfect defensive counters for the Heat, and Melo can score on anyone.

  142. johnlocke

    Ruru, I’m actually with you on the whole Lin being humble in the press corps but sometimes a bit ‘too into himself’ on the court. He can’t have free reign to just shoot when he wants with Amare and Melo in the game or have blinders when driving to the hole, I thought he started to get better at that, but he’s definitely a work in progress. If he can take a Rondo like approach, true pass first score second point guard — I think he’ll be a HUGE plus for us going forward. I believe he can do it.

    ruruland: Right, it seems that way but you have four possible scenarios to avoid playing Miami. I have to think that there’s at least a decent chance one of those scenarios plays out.

  143. jon abbey

    BigBlueAL:
    I definitely now believe the Knicks can win out.The 6th seed I dont think is out of the question yet.But again if the Knicks win out or go 4-1 to finish the season I dont care who they play I will just be thrilled with the way they finished the season.

    yep, they’re 14-5 under Woodson, so that would mean 18-6 or 19-5 under Woodson, all without any of the top 50 point guards in the league.

  144. johnlocke

    I don’t want to get swept again..that was not fun.

    BigBlueAL:
    Guys, who cares if we play Miami in the 1st round.Dont get me wrong of course Id rather get the 6th seed or even play the Bulls but shit a 1st round series vs the Heat should be fun as hell.

    Unfortunately it will be real difficult to win more than 1 game vs them but still Id look forward to the challenge.The Knicks are not winning the title this year so hell lets at least give the Heat a really good scare in the 1st round.

  145. art vandelay

    Very impressed with Woodson’s play calling coming out of timeout in late-game situation. Once again he called a timeout when boston was cutting lead down into single digits with less then 6 minutes left and drew up a perfect screen play to open up melo for a 12-foot jumper, which of course he nailed. Great execution after another well drawn-up play…he is like the anti-D’antoni in this sense.

  146. ABG

    Its funny, I went to BR looking for an easy case to make on why sign Lin over Novak, but there really isn’t one.

    It comes down to the value of a starting PG vs a bench 3 pt specialist, and what you’re losing by letting either of these guys walk. If we assume that it takes the full MLE to sign either Lin or Novak, we’d have really no avenue to replace the other. So, do you want to go into the season with Toney Douglas as your starting point guard again, or go in with a lesser version of Steve Novak as your three point specialist?

    I don’t really see it as much of a difficult question when pondered from that angle. Hopefully, we can get one to take the 2.1, or split the MLE, or something.

  147. JC Knickfan

    johnlocke:
    The Knicks already have the tie breaker against Orlando. If we beat ATL we’ll have the tie breaker against them. It’s not inconceivable to end the season on a losing streak and looking at Orlando’s schedule and their roster, it’s at least 50/50 they go 1-4, …I think the bigger if is us winning out. The one win they will def. get is the tanking Bobcats, so once Orlando beats someone not named the Bobcats (and take a quick peek at how ATL is doing) then we can start tanking for 8th =). Don’t think Miami is overtaking Chicago looking at the schedules /tie breakers

    I think asking Knick go 5-0 with 4 away games is going bigger challenge. One off-night by Melo and we going to doomed. Knicks still only 11-18 on the road and 3-4 under Woodson. The ref give home team more calls and travel always affects body.

  148. Gideon Zaga

    lol glad to see Abbey fuel to my fire.

    jon abbey: yep, they’re 14-5 under Woodson, so that would mean 18-6 or 19-5 under Woodson, all without any of the top 50 point guards in the league.

  149. johnlocke

    Heating up at the right team…there is not one team in the East not named the Heat that wants to see us in the 1st round.

    jon abbey:
    that was only the second triple double of Melo’s career, first was in 2007 in a loss. he’s got to be playing the best ball of his life the last few weeks, so impressive.

  150. ruruland

    jon abbey:
    that was only the second triple double of Melo’s career, first was in 2007 in a loss. he’s got to be playing the best ball of his life the last few weeks, so impressive.

    Well, it’s up there considering the lack of support and the opponent. This actually reminds me of how he was playing at the end of the 2006 season and the beginning of the 2007 season.

    In 2007, he was the MVP of the league before the suspension and the Iverson trade– 32.1 ppg, 595 ts, over 4 apg and 7 rebounds (25 games to start the year).

    He started out 2009 much the same–over 30 ppg on really efficient shooting. Then he got hit with the elbow and wrist injuries

    http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1975/year/2010/carmelo-anthony

    He’s healthy now and feeling good. But he’s played like this before for long stretches.

  151. Gideon Zaga

    lol glad to see Abbey adding fuel to my fire.

    jon abbey: yep, they’re 14-5 under Woodson, so that would mean 18-6 or 19-5 under Woodson, all without any of the top 50 point guards in the league.

  152. BigBlueAL

    ABG:
    Its funny, I went to BR looking for an easy case to make on why sign Lin over Novak, but there really isn’t one.

    It comes down to the value of a starting PG vs a bench 3 pt specialist, and what you’re losing by letting either of these guys walk.If we assume that it takes the full MLE to sign either Lin or Novak, we’d have really no avenue to replace the other.So, do you want to go into the season with Toney Douglas as your starting point guard again, or go in with a lesser version of Steve Novak as your three point specialist?

    I don’t really see it as much of a difficult question when pondered from that angle.Hopefully, we can get one to take the 2.1, or split the MLE, or something.

    Yeah thats the whole point. Hell I LOVE Novak too and hope we keep him but sorry no way in hell he should get the mid-level which will mean losing Lin.

    johnlocke:
    I don’t want to get swept again..that was not fun.

    Oh yeah I feel you.

  153. Gideon Zaga

    well there’s your answer NOVAK > LIN.

    ABG:
    Its funny, I went to BR looking for an easy case to make on why sign Lin over Novak, but there really isn’t one.

    It comes down to the value of a starting PG vs a bench 3 pt specialist, and what you’re losing by letting either of these guys walk.If we assume that it takes the full MLE to sign either Lin or Novak, we’d have really no avenue to replace the other.So, do you want to go into the season with Toney Douglas as your starting point guard again, or go in with a lesser version of Steve Novak as your three point specialist?

    I don’t really see it as much of a difficult question when pondered from that angle.Hopefully, we can get one to take the 2.1, or split the MLE, or something.

  154. johnlocke

    Those games on the road are at Cleveland (?), at New Jersey and at Bobcats (???) all winnable…the only tough road game is at Atlanta. We host the Clippers at home, hopefully with a healthy Amare

    JC Knickfan: I think asking Knick go 5-0 with 4 away games is going bigger challenge. One off-night by Melo and we going to doomed. Knicks still only11-18 on the road and 3-4 under Woodson. The ref give home team more calls and travel always affects body.

  155. The Infamous Cdiggy

    ephus: I was kidding.Not even the Dolans are foolish enough to try to money launder extra salary to a player.If they ever got caught, it would make the penalties that the NBA imposed on Glen Taylor and Minnesota for the the Joe Smith fiasco look like a walk in the park.I could even see Stern requiring that MSG sell off the team.

    hmmm… a scenario that makes Dolan see the team…
    …I mean, the sanctions would be hell, buuuuut…

  156. ABG

    JC Knickfan: I think asking Knick go 5-0 with 4 away games is going bigger challenge. One off-night by Melo and we going to doomed. Knicks still only11-18 on the road and 3-4 under Woodson. The ref give home team more calls and travel always affects body.

    Its really 3 away games. They play tomorrow night in Newark–a “road” game. And we know how overwhelming that Atlanta “homecourt” is for us.

    The issue is getting enough losses out of one of the rest of the teams, and it just doesnt seem possible when at some point they’d have their lives on the line facing the possibility of playing Miami or Chicago.

  157. ruruland

    johnlocke:
    Ruru, I’m actually with you on the whole Lin being humble in the press corps but sometimes a bit ‘too into himself’ on the court. He can’t have free reign to just shoot when he wants with Amare and Melo in the game or have blinders when driving to the hole, I thought he started to get better at that, but he’s definitely a work in progress. If he can take a Rondo like approach, true pass first score second point guard — I think he’ll be a HUGE plus for us going forward. I believe he can do it.

    Lin is the key to (assuming we can retain at least one of Novak or SMith) competing for an NBA championship.

    If he uses his great ability in the lane to get Amar’e, Melo and the role players going. If he defers to Melo often — playing off the opportunities he creates by taking open shots and driving against rotating defenders. If he manages the game so that his scoring comes last (which will greatly improve his scoring efficiency because the opportunities will be easier) then this team can beat any team.

  158. jon abbey

    Gideon Zaga:
    lol glad to see Abbey fuel to my fire.

    no, I don’t agree with you, an actual PG would be a huge help to this team in many games. I don’t think Lin is as good as his fanboys think, but he would be a huge weapon for NY right now that they could really use depending on the matchup. maybe they could finally phase Fields mostly out of the rotation then, what a waste of oxygen that guy is.

    oh, and anyone here who was arguing for Fields over Smith and Shumpert a few weeks ago, could you laugh at yourself now, please? thanks.

  159. d-mar

    BigBlueAL:
    I definitely now believe the Knicks can win out.The 6th seed I dont think is out of the question yet.But again if the Knicks win out or go 4-1 to finish the season I dont care who they play I will just be thrilled with the way they finished the season.

    Who do we root for tomorrow night, Orlando or Boston? I say Boston, the Magic have a much tougher schedule and can lose to anyone right now, plus, we have the tiebreaker.

  160. Gideon Zaga

    I’m sorry I love Lin too but maybe I’d agree if Dantoni was the coach. Look at our record without Lin, yeah he is replaceable. His best skill can be replaced, which is attacking off the pnr. Novak on the hand is arguably the best standstill shooter in the league and Barkley just said a moment ago, shooting is the hardest thing to learn. I’m sorry if it were up to me Novak gets the full mid level and Lin gets bi annual or we lose him.

    BigBlueAL: Yeah thats the whole point.Hell I LOVE Novak too and hope we keep him but sorry no way in hell he should get the mid-level which will mean losing Lin.

    Oh yeah I feel you.

  161. johnlocke

    Doing what he did against Deng/Bulls, Pierce/Celtics and Lebron/Heat all over the course of a few days against the best defensive players and best defensive teams in the league in back-to-back-to-back-to-back (I could keep going) fashion is what is really impressive to me….the stats are great, but truly ridiculous when looked at in context. He may have had the highest scoring games of any player against the Heat and Bulls all within a week while doing so efficiently. Dude is in videogame Beast Mode and hope it stays that way. He performs like this in the playoffs…and no one will be talking about early season struggles (well maybe Owen)….

    ruruland: Well, it’s up there considering the lack of support and the opponent. This actually reminds me of how he was playing at the end of the 2006 season and the beginning of the 2007 season.

    In 2007, he was the MVP of the league before the suspension and the Iverson trade– 32.1 ppg, 595 ts, over 4 apg and 7 rebounds (25 games to start the year).

    He started out 2009 much the same–over 30 ppg on really efficient shooting. Then he got hit with the elbow and wrist injuries

    http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1975/year/2010/carmelo-anthony

    He’s healthy now and feeling good. But he’s played like this before for long stretches.

  162. BigBlueAL

    d-mar: Who do we root for tomorrow night, Orlando or Boston? I say Boston, the Magic have a much tougher schedule and can lose to anyone right now, plus, we have the tiebreaker.

    Definitely Boston, Knicks have no chance at all at winning the division.

  163. Gideon Zaga

    I agree that we need an actual pg but my point is it doesn’t have to be Lin. We can get something passable from the pg junkyard just like we got Lin, Novak on the other hand is more valuable to keep and thus my point. Signing Novak should be a priority over keeping Lin.

    jon abbey: no, I don’t agree with you, an actual PG would be a huge help to this team in many games. I don’t think Lin is as good as his fanboys think, but he would be a huge weapon for NY right now that they could really use depending on the matchup. maybe they could finally phase Fields mostly out of the rotation then, what a waste of oxygen that guy is.

    oh, and anyone here who was arguing for Fields over Smith and Shumpert a few weeks ago, could you laugh at yourself now, please? thanks.

  164. BigBlueAL

    Guys, you do remember that the Knicks went 6-1 with Lin as the PG when Woodson took over and in a couple of those big road wins it was Lin who took over and dominated the 4th quarter right??

    I have no doubt Lin can play with Melo. They both seem to really enjoy playing with each other.

  165. johnlocke

    Woodson realizing this and is phasing Fields out more and more each game…the only players our starting 2 guard played less minutes than were ailing/sometimes mentally challenged Baron Davis and just back from injury Jeffrightened. Best news about Amare coming back is that we can play him even less. It’s really sad…I mean I never thought he was as good a player as Shump or Smith, but what the hell happened to this guy, he has the self-confidence of a turtle

    jon abbey: no, I don’t agree with you, an actual PG would be a huge help to this team in many games. I don’t think Lin is as good as his fanboys think, but he would be a huge weapon for NY right now that they could really use depending on the matchup. maybe they could finally phase Fields mostly out of the rotation then, what a waste of oxygen that guy is.

    oh, and anyone here who was arguing for Fields over Smith and Shumpert a few weeks ago, could you laugh at yourself now, please? thanks.

  166. art vandelay

    BigBlueAL: Definitely Boston, Knicks have no chance at all at winning the division.

    agreed, boston would likely have tie breaker over NYK even if Knicks beat NJ tomorrow….head-to-head would be 2-2, division record would be tie each team having gone 8-6, and then I believe next tie breaker to decide it would be conf record which boston beats us in.

  167. ABG

    Gideon Zaga:
    I’m sorry I love Lin too but maybe I’d agree if Dantoni was the coach. Look at our record without Lin, yeah he is replaceable. His best skill can be replaced, which is attacking off the pnr. Novak on the hand is arguably the best standstill shooter in the league and Barkley just said a moment ago, shooting is the hardest thing to learn. I’m sorry if it were up to me Novak gets the full mid level and Lin gets bi annual or we lose him.

    Who starts at PG then? Baron Davis? Mike Bibby? Toney Douglas?

    Here’s your list of available FA PGs this offseason:

    Deron Williams,Player Option ($17.8 million)
    Steve Nash, Unrestricted
    Aaron Brooks, Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
    Raymond Felton, Unrestricted
    Kirk Hinrich, Unrestricted
    Jason Kidd, Unrestricted
    Andre Miller, Unrestricted
    Chauncey Billups, Unrestricted
    Jameer Nelson, Player Option ($7.8 million)
    D.J. Augustin, Restricted ($4.4 million Qualifying Offer)
    Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks, Unrestricted
    George Hill, Indiana Pacers, Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
    Jordan Farmar, New Jersey Nets, Player Option ($4.3 million)
    Leandro Barbosa, Unrestricted
    Beno Udrih, Milwaukee Bucks Player Option ($7.4 million)
    Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets Unrestricted*
    Jerryd Bayless, Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
    Derek Fisher, Oklahoma City Thunder Unrestricted
    Randy Foye, Unrestricted
    Mo Williams, Player Option ($8.5 million)
    Jonny Flynn, Unrestricted
    Keyon Dooling,Unrestricted
    Ishmael Smith, Orlando Magic, Unrestricted*
    Ramon Sessions, Player Option ($4.6 million)

    None of those guys is either a) taking a biennial or b) a certifiable NBA starter.

  168. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Gideon Zaga:
    really now?? and what are the Knicks record without their all world pg who is the only one capable of setting people up?. Look Lin’s greatest assest is not setting people up, its actually attacking off the pnr which opened up the passing lanes and yeah he is actually bad at passing due to his tunnel vision. Like I said earlier in the season, Dantoni needed a pg like Lin or Nash to win. On this team with Melo and Amare. Lin’s role???? is not really required, its simply a luxury. Other can attack of the dribble as effectively as he does. yeah so on our team actually Mike James = Lin.

    I think it’s rather early to draw this conclusion, especially from someone who’s essentially a lottery rookie. Unless you’re running the triangle (which isn’t out of play since Phil Jackson is still out there), this team can definitely use Lin. Definitely Lin needs to improve upon finding guys when he penetrates, but his assists numbers as they stand now are nothing to sneeze at. I think with a full offseason + training camp he’ll improve.

  169. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Gideon Zaga:
    I agree that we need an actual pg but my point is it doesn’t have to be Lin. We can get something passable from the pg junkyard just like we got Lin, Novak on the other hand is more valuable to keep and thus my point. Signing Novak should be a priority over keeping Lin.

    You’re seriously underselling Lin. Even if he was off the proverbial scrap-heap, he’s 23, cheapo(ish) salary, a virtual rookie (who was once considered by some the 2nd best PG behind Wall in that yr’s draft), a quick learner and significant potential. He doesn’t need to be the 20 and 9 All-Star-ish dude he was during Linsanity with this team @ full strength. You can’t see him developing into a 15-18 point, 7 to 9 asst guy? And if he improves his man-D…

  170. JC Knickfan

    BigBlueAL:
    Guys, you do remember that the Knicks went 6-1 with Lin as the PG when Woodson took over and in a couple of those big road wins it was Lin who took over and dominated the 4th quarter right??

    I have no doubt Lin can play with Melo.They both seem to really enjoy playing with each other.

    Seem like alot people have forgotten that. I thought we destoryed Indy who number 3 seed with struggling Melo offensively.
    You have watch Lin play defense under Woodson vs MDA. During Linsanity I could not stand type defense Lin was playing. He giving huge amount space and constant off the ball double team letting his guy get open for 3′s. 7 games under Woodson, I we pleasantly how big difference he played defensively. Much tight man to man defense and doing much better job on boxing out and team rebounding. He had nice block of 3pt shot in critical stop in 4th of Philly game.
    Also, ff Melo play like this offensively, Lin of course will defer to him.

  171. daJudge

    Ruru at 231–the point of being a fan? Really? I’ve been following this team since 1967. Probably watched every game this year. I don’t think being a fan of a team means being a fan of one particular player though. Personally, I love Melo and have for a long time. But when the Knicks play poor D, I generally do not enjoy the game even if they rain down threes and win. In fact, it reminded me a little of some of the games they won under D’Antoni–miss the threes, lose the game. Like I said to Doug, glad everyone loved the game and I’m thrilled we won.

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