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Thursday, October 2, 2014

Gallinari Poll

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77 comments on “Gallinari Poll

  1. Dave

    It’s an interesting pick. Look forward to seeing what he’s got to offer.

    I haven’t seen too much of him, only a few games for Italy, but he could be good. Unlike Bargnani he didn’t shy away from the ball last summer for his national team, that’s a good start.

  2. Z-man

    Once Mayo, Westbrook and Love were gone, I found myself pulling for either a trade or Gallinari, and I couldn’t figure out why. I now think its because I want to have faith in Walsh and D’Antoni. You have to figure they scouted him well enough to have faith they weren’t risking such a high pick on a bust. Clearly this pick will define them in NY.

  3. jon abbey

    “Jon – only if there’s an Italian sub-title to it.”

    Lo Meritiamo would be Italian for “we deserve him”, but it seems like this option should be subtitled in Spanish, which would be Lo Merecemos.

    anyway, as of right now, I’m rooting for 0-82, angry lynch mobs outside every exit to MSG all winter, Stern forcing Dolan to sell the team, and Ricky Rubio. if Walsh manages to upgrade the roster in any significant way before training camp, I’ll reconsider, but that’s where I am right now.

  4. Mulligan

    I’m having a hard time getting used to no Isiah. I keep checking ESPN to see if there’s been a trade, but Walsh is clearly too level-headed about this stuff to make an impulsive trade.

    Kevin Pritchard is the hamburgler of draft picks. How does this guy do it?

  5. riise

    “Kevin Pritchard is the hamburgler of draft picks. How does this guy do it?”

    paul allen’s $$$$$$$$, plain and simple.

  6. Mulligan

    Ricky Rubio + Gallinari makes us… Toronto 2.0?
    I’m into it. Rubio reminds me of Pistol Pete. We’d have a deceptively slow offensive powerhouse.

  7. Mulligan

    All this stockpiling of draft picks is going to bite Portland in the ass. They’re going to have to cut some really talented players. Hopefully we can get one or two of them. Petri Kopponen?

  8. Brendan

    I’ll say this in favor of Gallinari, who I’m excited about- he’s a second-generation player and a current, not prospective, professional. It’s exactly the sort of no-more-BS background which will let him A) survive the current crop of loons on the team and B) help change the culture of the team, in time. He certainly won’t get them into contention by his lonesome, but he’ll be a good piece for a long time, and probably help get more out of the current roster.

  9. jon abbey

    “All this stockpiling of draft picks is going to bite Portland in the ass.”

    yes! there is nothing worse than ending up with a roster 15 deep with young, talented players, especially when your owner has money to burn. I sure am glad we don’t have any problems like that here.

  10. villainx

    I like Gallinari. The Knicks won’t be worst off because of him, and I think it’ll be interesting whenever he’s on the floor, same with Chandler last year and Lee, the year before that.

  11. Ray

    I think hell be great at driving to the hoop and getting ot the line. I expect a lot of fire and slow growth from this kid.

  12. Owen

    And Pritchard took Dorsey. Jon, I think I am taking your approach and making them my West Coast team…

  13. jon abbey

    ah, they took Asik, they need to stash some players overseas.

    so their depth chart will look something like:

    PG: Blake, Bayless, Rodriguez
    SG: Roy, Fernandez
    SF: Outlaw, Webster, Arthur
    PF: Aldridge, Frye, Dorsey
    C: Oden, Przybilla, Diogu

    they return everyone but James Jones from a team that went 41-41, and add Oden, Fernandez (presumably), Bayless, Arthur and Dorsey.

  14. Tito J

    Did you see where the knicks and bobcats are talking about lee for felton? what do you think about that?

  15. big baby

    lee for felton would be terrible.

    dorsey is getting traded i think.

    i don’t know how you can hate on gallinari when thorn was in love with him. thorn is a great gm. do as he does.

  16. Dave

    Giving up Lee for Felton would be a very bad decision. Felton has been in the league three years now and all he’s shown is that he’s incapable of running a team.

  17. mason

    yes! this team is on a roll and continues to make all the right moves. its like night and day from the isiah regime…cant wait for the season to start.

  18. Tito J

    I am trying to find more info on lee for felton but nothing else is being said… I for one agree that it would be a terrible trade. Lee’s value is shy high around the league and we could fetch much more than felton..

  19. Brian Cronin

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2008/06/addition-of-danilo-could-be-th.html

    Frank Isola:

    I’m hearing that the Knicks could be working on a deal with the Charlotte Bobcats to acquire point guard Raymond Felton for Lee, who played for Bobcats coach Larry Brown.

    Coincidentally, the Bobcats selected Texas point guard D.J. Augustin with the ninth overall pick. Charlotte’s second point was French center Alexis Ajinca.

    When Mike D’Antoni coached the Phoenix Suns he gave the front office a the thumbs-down to drafting Lee because he felt that Lee wasn’t a good enough shooter.

    What the fuck!?!?

    The Bobcats are actively trying to get rid of Felton, and the Knicks will give them Lee?!?!?!?

    It’s nucking futs!!

    Felton is the type of player you trade a Channing Frye for, not a David Lee!!

  20. Brendan

    Felton’s spent three years in the league and cracked 40% from the field in ONE of them, and he’s a good enough shooter? Insane. I’ve been willing to give Walsh/D’Antoni a good measure of faith, but if they do this- wow. It would be as bad as any trade Isiah made. I have to assume there’s some other pieces involved.

  21. matty

    you know whats funny with all the garbage on the ny knicks we are trying to trade our only asset for a mediocre player. if they trade lee you might as well be a nj fan

  22. Z

    Wow. What a boring evening. Stern (and Russ’ successor) didn’t even announce a single trade.

    After a huge build up, the Knicks have Danilo and nothing else to show for their miserable, crap-infested, pathetic excuse for a basketball season (decade)…

  23. Ben R

    I do not feel good about picking Gallinari. There is not alot of really successful slow, unathletic wings no matter how tall, skilled or tough they are.

    Where does he play, on the wing so he can struggle to stay in front of SF’s or in the post so he can rebound poorly and get pushed around by bigger players.

    As for the Lee fo Felton swap that would be terrible. If Walsh and D’Antoni really have that little regard for Lee then I really question their ability to effectivly judge talent.

    I do not understand how they can be so down on Lee, he is clearly the Knicks best player yet Walsh and D’Antoni can’t seem to move him fast enough.

  24. Duff Soviet Union

    Wow, am I insane or did Kevin McHale just make a really good trade? Love is going to be better than Mayo and he gets Mike Miller as well? OTOH I’m not sure if Love and Big Al can co-exist defensively. What are Memphis going to do with all these guards? If I were a team that needed a point (*cough* KNICKS) I’d be enquiring about Javaris Crittendon who I think can play a bit (assuming that Lee for Ray Felton thing is the nonsense it sounds like).

  25. TDM

    I haven’t seen anyone mention Yi to NJ and Richard Jefferson to Milwaukee. Maybe it was on the earlier board. Must be a cost cutting move for NJ trying to grab LBJ in 2010.

  26. Duff Soviet Union

    By the way, as a Blazers fan, Jon and Owen, off the bandwagon. Arthur and Dorsey are going to Houston for Nicholas fucking Batum whose euro stats are beyond unimpressive. Gallinari’s are allegedly quite good, although apparently they do not suggest a guy who will be that good next year.

  27. jon abbey

    they don’t even need those guys, they’re still loaded. I was already on the Portland bandwagon for a good part of last season, and adding Oden and Bayless and Fernandez should make them thoroughly entertaining.

  28. TDM

    Geez, Portland involved in 5 trades. I can’t keep up with all this. My head is about to explode.

  29. Owen

    God, this Minnesota-Memphis trade is like the death knell of Lee’s NY career. Talk about a gaping hole at the PF spot that needs to be filled, and a surplus of cheap guards to be unloaded….

    I can’t understand what the hell Memphis is thinking otherwise…

  30. daaarn

    if we do trade, it had better be at least conley or lowry for lee; i’m not high on crittenton as a distributer

  31. Brendan

    You’re not insane, and that trade is a fantastic one for Minny. How unbelievably bad do you have to be at team building to get clownshoed by Kevin McHale and Mitch Kupchak in one season? Keep in mind Kupchak’s reputation before this year. I’d say it was just a pure salary dump, but with the Jaric deal in it….

    I like the Jefferson trade for the Nets, FWIW. RJ is still quite good, but he’s reliant on his athleticism to create his offense and produce defensive value, and he’s a highly paid 28 year old with some leg injury history. The trade probably hurts the Nets quite a bit for next year, but RJ’s a good bet to begin regressing fairly sharply over the next few seasons, becoming more and more overpaid relative to his production in the process. Moving him now will look much better in a year or two, the same way passing on resigning VC would have.

    While I’m not a huge Yi fan, I think the trade gives the Nets, in addition to financial flexibility, an even younger talent base who will likely be reaching their prime in and around 2010. It’s definitely all about LeBron, and this trade helps prepare the ground for making a run at him.

  32. TDM

    No doubt. Memphis now has Mayo, Jaric, Conley, Lowry, and Crittendon. Someone has to be on the chopping block.

  33. Brendan

    I’m assuming Mayo plays the 2, Conley the 1, the other two rot on the bench until the trade deadline, no?

  34. danny

    the knicks should have picked augisten….they will have no viable pg in the supposed 2010 year to pry any super star free agent – can’t imagine this pick will work out that well, I mean, the guy ceiling sounds like a skinnier, less accurate, and probably worse Zach Randolph.

  35. Z

    Interesting…

    Too bad Donnie went to bed before the Clips even picked at #7. Maybe we could have gotten into this deal somehow.

  36. Z

    “this Minnesota-Memphis trade is like the death knell of Lee’s NY career. Talk about a gaping hole at the PF spot that needs to be filled, and a surplus of cheap guards to be unloaded….”

    But Lee’s agent, apparently, poopooed a Memphis deal yesterday. Wouldn’t that threat still stand?

    (But if the Knicks had made the trade, presumably they could have Gallinari and Mayo for the price of Lee and taking on Jaric and Walker. Probably something Donnie would have been okay with…)

  37. bud

    Go Danilo! We should’ve snagged Gordon but I’m rooting for the Italian.

    Is the franchise intent on dealing Dave Lee because they don’t want to extend him pre-supposed Lebron signing so as to maintain cap room?

  38. Ted Nelson

    re: too much depth

    Houston’s PF situation is as crowded as Memphis’ PG situation: Scola, Hayes, Landry, Arthur, Dorsey… Unfortunately, the Knicks don’t need a PF.

    “Too bad Donnie went to bed before the Clips even picked at #7. Maybe we could have gotten into this deal somehow.”
    “(But if the Knicks had made the trade, presumably they could have Gallinari and Mayo for the price of Lee and taking on Jaric and Walker. Probably something Donnie would have been okay with…)”

    McHale identified Love as the player he wanted early on in the draft process, I don’t think the Knicks had any chance to get involved.

    ” I mean, the guy ceiling sounds like a skinnier, less accurate, and probably worse Zach Randolph.”

    His ceiling seems like Toni Kukoc with a jumper…

  39. Brian Cronin

    It’s funny that you mention that, Ted, as Houston traded Arthur to Memphis late last night. :)

  40. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    I don’t buy the Lee-Felton rumor. Just yesterday the Times reported that the Knicks didn’t want to trade Lee, but that he was their best commodity and many teams were asking for him. You don’t trade your player with the most value for Ray Felton…

  41. Brian Cronin

    That Times article just quoted Lee’s agent as saying Lee was the Knicks’ best commodity.

  42. Adam Strasberg

    You have to remember this is a really really bad team. The Knicks are not going to turn it around with one pick or one player — unless that player is Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson, there was no player of that caliber at #6.

    This is a long term process. Remember after the Knicks drafted Ewing, they still sucked. They had to find a PG to run the team along with Ewing, and eventually they drafted Mark Jackson.

    Gallinari is a piece on the next winning Knicks team which might be 3 years away. When the Knicks finally turn the corner, hopefully he’ll be a part of that success. Right now we need to figure out who else can help 2-3 years down the road, everyone else is expendable or just roster filler till we get to that winning period.

    Isiah’s short term thinking is what built this Frankenstein monster of a team. Let’s hope Walsh is patient enough to build something instead of trying to cheat the process.

  43. Sebastian from Germany

    Yeah Adam,

    you are absoloutly right! Gallo was a beast in europe. With the right coaching he can go in history as the best euro of all time. We have to build around him.

    Honestly i was shocked, by picking him over gordon and bayless, but after soem researches. I think it was the right decision. 3 years and the knicks will shine :)

    greetz from Germany!

  44. Plexxxx

    I won’t lie, I hated the pick. I slept on it, woke up and still hated the pick. Now I hate it less because I’ve come to the realization that nobody they drafted last night was going to make the team better than it is right now.

    I don’t know what kind of drastic changes Walsh has in mind, and making drastic changes will be the only way this team will ever be good again.

    I’ll walk on water before this group of losers and miscreants ever turns into a winning basketball team.

    Maybe Gallinari is a good start, but I have no idea. This is a lottery team again next year no doubt. Unfortunately, this being the Knicks, they’ll never get the #1 pick again because the league is so aware of the conspiracy charges that are leveled any time anything benefits the Knicks.

    I much prefer what the Nets did last night, like they usually do on the court, they stomped the Knicks in their own building last night. I like Lopez at #10 a lot better than Lopez at #3. Anderson is a versatile forward, probably not far off from Gallinari, and CDR was an absolute steal in the 2nd round.

    This matters because they’re the main competition in the 2010 NBA Free Agency Bonanza. Not only are they adding better young players than the Knicks, but they’re freeing up cap space, while Walsh twiddles his thumbs and wonders what the hell he can do with Curry, Randolph, Marbury and the rest of the jabronies that make up this excreble roster.

  45. justin o

    going back to the lee for felton trade
    its lee + someone for felton + someone + their 2009 first rounder—- i wud do that in a heartbeat

  46. justin o

    i personally like the gallinari pick, because gordon and bayless are basically scorers period, they both shoot first, poor defenders, and are undersized. With galinari we get an effective big man, who can help out on the boards, drain a 3 and take his defeder to the hole. he reminds me of melo, except thinner, and without as much back to the basket moves. If we could fill out his frame to about 245(hes 212 now) he could be very effective.

  47. retropkid

    I don’t know a ton about Gallinari, but from what I have seen and read, I think it is a positive:

    1. He can shoot
    2. Knicks need to begin fishing in the European pond, international players coming to the league has been the most important trend in last five years, and we haven’t benefitted. NYC should be a huge attraction for Europeans, and now we’ve got our first one.
    3. He can run.
    4. Gotta be a character guy if D’Antoni has that relationship with the dad….Knicks badly need character.
    5. Next year we will probably still be a crummy club…he isn’t the answer, but may be a very nice piece of the puzzle.

  48. Thomas B.

    Isola today…
    “The last high-profile international pick the Knicks made was in 1999 when they selected Frederic Weis at No.15″

    What about NENE in 2002? How low profile can you be when they take you 7th?

  49. Ray

    YEah that is important to remember that at 6 we were very unlikely to find an answer to most of our woes but would get an very important piece. I think thats what he may be here. I still wish Zach were gone along with Jerome and Jeffries. I hope some how we can ge Conley b/c that would be a nice add for us. By the way the Nets did a Phenomenal job in the draft. Lopez and CDR plus the kid from Cal. Excellent job. I think their lineup will be

    Devon Harris
    CDR
    Vince
    Yi
    Lopez

    Thats a pretty versatile bunch.

  50. retropkid

    Agree on Nets….I was surprised Charlotte didn’t take Lopez instead of Augustin. Tells you how poorly they think of Felton btw…we don’t want him.

    Clubs with new interesting line-ups: Portland, Minnesota, Indiana, Toronto, Nets.

    I’m not sure Milwaukee has the right pieces though it looks like they are trying for “win now.”

  51. Plexxxx

    Chad Ford on the Knicks draft

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftGrades-080627

    “New York Knicks Grade: A-

    Round 1: Danilo Gallinari (6)

    Round 2: None

    Analysis: With the Knicks’ three favorite backcourt players gone — Derrick Rose, O.J. Mayo and Russell Westbrook — new Knicks president Donnie Walsh did the right thing.

    Gallinari is a talent and one of the few guys in the draft who could really be special someday. Those who are bashing the pick because Gallinari is a project should do their homework. Gallinari was the team leader on an Italian Euroleague team — and the Euroleague is much more competitive than the NCAA. Euroleague teams scrimmage NBA teams in the preseason and beat them from time to time. The fact that Gallinari has starred there at such a young age suggests that he’s more ready than most of the freshmen rushing into the league. And with Mike D’Antoni coaching him, you can bet the Knicks will play to his strengths.

    Gallinari has weaknesses — he has so-so lateral quickness and lacks muscle. I’m not sure he’ll ever turn into Dirk Nowitzki, to whom he’s been compared. And the Knicks still have a long way to go in the rebuilding process.

    But this was a good start for the Knicks. If they can use David Lee to get a legit young point guard, they’ll keep moving in the right direction.”

    I’m coming around on this a little bit. I wonder if Isiah drafted him if he’d be getting the same kind of reviews…

  52. Thomas B.

    Ford says…

    “Those who are bashing the pick because Gallinari is a project should do their homework. Gallinari was the team leader on an Italian Euroleague team — and the Euroleague is much more competitive than the NCAA. Euroleague teams scrimmage NBA teams in the preseason and beat them from time to time. The fact that Gallinari has starred there at such a young age suggests that he’s more ready than most of the freshmen rushing into the league. And with Mike D’Antoni coaching him, you can bet the Knicks will play to his strengths.”

    Alot of people booed the Balkman pick, but by mid season he had won some folks over.

  53. riise

    “What about NENE in 2002? How low profile can you be when they take you 7th?”

    Cause everyone knew they were drafting for the Nuggets. Vecsey announced the trade (I believe to lusty booing from Knicks fans, IIRC) before the 1st pick was made. So, they weren’t drafting Nene in any real sense.

  54. justin o

    i was hoping we could get one of those second rounders when cdr and chalmers were still on the board chalmers was a flat out steal where he went (i think 36?) anyway i dont understand why people dont want felton, hes not a horrible shooter (41%), and he averaged 15 and 7 last year. hes young and hes quick. He does make more money for lee soi think lee and a second rounder for felton and a first rounder is fair, plus i do think lee is a better player. This trade makes a whole lotta sense for both teams, we need a speedy point guard and lee doesnt fit in dantonis system at all while the bobcats have too many guards, including augustine and they need some more rebounders to help out okafor.

  55. Ricky

    I watched his highlight video, and I’m impressed. Don’t get me wrong, I know highlight vids don’t mean much, but he made some really excellent midrange shots and seems to have a nice touch. Funny, it didn’t include many passes, and ESPECIALLY lacked in rebounds and defense. Am I wary? After nearly ten years of sh*t, yes. Yes I am. But I can live with this pick — provided D. Lee stays in blue and orange.

  56. Z

    Rebounds don’t usually make the highlight reels (unless they go coast to coast with a monster slam at the end)…

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