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Friday, December 19, 2014

Extremely Tardy Reaction: Knicks 104, Hasselhoffs 97

Dallas Mavericks 97 Final
Recap | Box Score
104 New York Knicks
Amare Stoudemire, PF 33 MIN | 4-10 FG | 3-4 FT | 7 REB | 1 AST | 11 PTS | -18

Remember when Dirk Nowitzki used to routinely barbecue Amar’e Stoudemire in the Playoffs? Dirk Nowitzki does. Now, Stat wasn’t tasked with guarding Dirk very often — not exactly shocking, considering Amar’e Stoudemire would have a hard time keeping in front of an engine-less Buick — but when he was, it was, well, quite ugly. The good news is four of Stat’s boards were off the offensive glass, which helped keep alive a number of key possessions down the stretch.

Iman Shumpert, G 19 MIN | 2-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 5 PTS | -14

While attempting to face guard Dirk was certainly noble on Shump’s part, really it was more funny than anything. Dirk’s reaction was particularly priceless, jogging down to the defensive end after scoring or hitting a pair from the line with a smile so incredulous you’d have thought the Knicks had put Herb Williams on him. Credit Iman for his stints of suffocating D, but his offense? Woof!

Tyson Chandler, C 35 MIN | 5-7 FG | 4-4 FT | 10 REB | 0 AST | 14 PTS | +9

Chandler was given his will be given his 2011 Championship ring before today’s game tomorrow and his stat line only reinforced exactly how big an effect he had on the Mavs’ title run. He also took a pair of nasty tumbles in the second half — the first on his right wrist, the second on his tailbone. Naturally, Chandler refused to sit out or otherwise nurse his wounds. Probably because Robo-Tyson’s (or T-1000 for you Cameron-philes) wounds were busy nursing other, weaker people’s wounds.

Landry Fields, G 27 MIN | 6-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 13 PTS | -11

Credit Fields for quickly forgetting his poop-riddled performance Friday night against the lowly Hornets, and for getting back to what he does best: Picking his spots, slashing inside, and hawking passing lanes. The arrival of J.R. Smith might’ve spelled confidence-slaying doom for a lesser player, but Fields should recognize that his is a role not only tailor made for this kind of offense, but for this collection of talent in this offense.

Jeremy Lin, PG 46 MIN | 11-20 FG | 3-6 FT | 4 REB | 14 AST | 28 PTS | +14

Considering they were playing a top-5 defense, this may have been his most impressive performance to date. Yeah, I know, he torched the Kobes too, but now that he’s been scouted six ways from Sunday and teams are literally designing their entire defensive strategies to prevent him from getting into the lane…wow. Just wowzers. My absolute favorite part about watching Lin? He never, NEVER looks rattled. He’s rattle-free. If he were a rattlesnake he’d have no rattle, thereby making him more of a regular snake-type snake. You get my point.

Jared Jeffries, PF 28 MIN | 1-5 FG | 2-4 FT | 7 REB | 2 AST | 4 PTS | +17

Like one o’ us babbled about in the Times Lin has been amazing but what’s even more amazing (amazinger?) is the fact that the Knicks do not win this game without dear, noble Jared. Feel free to bum-rush the court to raise Jeremy’s jersey to the rafters, but try not to trample sweet-faced, comely Jared on the way (like every other player in the league seems to do as they barrel down the lane).

Steve Novak, SF 23 MIN | 5-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 14 PTS | +17

New nickname: Novakiller. I will brook no counterargument.

P.S. – If you haven’t seen this GIF of our unassuming SF/PF pulling the Aaron Rodgers “Champeenship belt” move after a Novakiller corner three, peep it pronto, yo. It’s a hoot!

J.R. Smith, SG 30 MIN | 6-16 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 15 PTS | +21

As advertised, The Earl of Smith the 3rd is a conscience-free gunner. Unlike the players whose PT he seems destined to swipe or inherit by default, Messrs. Walker and Shumpert, he can hit a fair number of them. He’s a better passer and a more capable defender, but calling him a 6’5″ Nate Robinson (if Nate also sported “The Bishop” instead of his usual faux-hawk), is apt. Apt I say! Scout’s honor, that’s not meant to be an insult. Even if he’s bricking 10 heaves, the defense still has to respect the shot, which wasn’t previously the case. Color me thrilled.

Five Things We Saw

  1. Guys, this isn’t trying to hit a Rivera cutter. It’s a free throw. It’s maybe the easiest thing to do in professional sports, from an amateur’s perspective. The Knicks still rank 11th in the league in this category, but the last few games have been pretty ugly as far as charity stripe prowess. Lin in particular would be averaging three to five more points per outing if he just KEPT HIS HAND IN THE %$^@& COOKIE JAR!
  2. I hate to mess up all this feel-goodery, (No, I’m not going to pre-bitch/speculate on what the mere presence of Melo’s pheromones may do to the rotation. I’m beyond nauseated by this ongoing speculation by the wags of the basketball word already and the ish hasn’t even happened), wait where was I? The mere act of writing about Carmelo Anthony has disrupted my ability to put together a coherent sentence in this lil’ recap. He’s a cancer! Anyway, the rotation is about to get AWFUL crowded. As we all know, our Coach Pringles don’ts likes to play more than eight fellers, period. Starting tomorrow, that means Smith, Jeffries and Novak ONLY off the bench, with maybe a slight dash of Shump added to the recipe. And Baron Davis is poised to gobble up Shump’s minutes like so much poi as soon as Davis is healthy enough to begin B-Dizzling. In all honesty, Shump needs the time off, not because of the dreaded, “rookie wall,” but rather to spend this season learning and developing as opposed to being forced to produce for lack of better alternatives in the backcourt.
  3. Speaking of the Baron, lawdy do we need a backup to the all-powerful, all-knowing, beneficent deity that is Jeremy Lin. If D’Antoni keeps Lin marathon dancing for 40+ minutes a game, the only way he’s going to resemble Secretariat is that they’ll both end up in the glue factory. I really wish Stern…er…Commissioner Kenny Smith hadn’t dragooned him into the Product Placement Rising Stars thingamawoogit. I’d far prefer it if he were shoved into a hermetically sealed hyperbaric chamber so he can, you know, rest n’ stuff.
  4. For once, the Knicks played an early afternoon game like they’d actually managed to get a few hours of sleep the night previous. Against a tough opponent riding their own, largely under-the-radar hot streak, the Knicks came out with energy and enthusiasm from the word go. J.R. Smith in particular, ten minutes from de-planing the plane, couldn’t wait to grab the front of his jersey by the N and the K and juice the crowd.
  5. My Dad wants all’s y’all to know that he predicted this win. You happy now, Dad? Can I move out of the garage? Gawd! Sorry about the delay in getting this to you, oh recap-hungry Knickerblogger-backers, but you see, I thought Jim Cavan was gonna write it and he thought I did and so like, you know, a couple of hours later I says, “Yo Jim! Where’s the recap, son?” And he’s all like, “Yo! I thought youse was doin’ it!” And I’m like, “No way! It’s like totally your turn, you know?” And he’s like “Hahahaha!” And I’m so like. “Lols. That’s Lol-sy. I’m lol-sing like all over!” Good times. So we did it together. I’ll let y’all figure out which players/bullet points are mine and which are Jim’s. First one to provide all the correct answers wins a sooper-awesome prize!

    Okay, for serious, there’s no prize, but you’ll be the winner! Just like THE MOFOING KNICKS WERE TODAY, PUTTING SOME SAD, SAD-FACED FROWNS RIGHT ON THE GRILL OF THAT KVETCHING TEUTON. Yay! Winning!

111 comments on “Extremely Tardy Reaction: Knicks 104, Hasselhoffs 97

  1. jaredrutledge

    jr smith made a couple defensive closeouts at john-wall-on-the-break speed. super impressive.

    and i know lin had 7 TO’s, but none of them looked like carelessness today. they were just trapping him hard. a couple times he got fouled but there wasn’t a call and he ended up turning it over. regardless, he is just so damn good.

  2. daJudge

    My wife called the Giants after game ten and would not back off. She called the Knicks today. She’s witchy (but not a witch) and I would not bet against her. What a game.

  3. d-mar

    Great writeup as always, Bob. My only quibble is the B+ for Fields, I would have given him that after the 1st half, but his 3rd quarter was atrocious, and I believe he hardly played at all in the 4th. So maybe a B-, C+?

  4. alsep73

    The coding for the link for the Novak gif is broken. This is the correct link:

    http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/959248/belt.gif

    And it is glorious.

    Like Brian said in the last thread, this is officially not a fluke. Lin’s #s will almost certainly go down when Melo is back, but he can play with anyone. When one of the best defensive teams in the league is specifically game-planning to stop him (and how absurd would that idea have been two weeks ago?) and he *still* puts up 28 points, 14 assists, etc? That’s a baller, boys and girls.

    So loving this team, and I feel like things will only get better upon Melo’s return, because he will take such a load off of Lin, and also off of Pringles’ understandable need so far to run him like frigging Secretariat.

  5. Unreason

    How does he do it?!! How does he not get rattled, suddenly being the focus of worldwide attentton and a smothering defense and traps galore! It just makes no freakin’ sense. If he weren’t so passionate, I’d think he’d had his amydala surgically removed or something.

    As a player I think the Tebow comparison is ridiculus. I’m not a Tebow fan. Don’t hate him, just not a fan. But his combination of coldbloodedness and penchant for late game comebacks does remind me of a famous QB…. Eli.

    I wonder if that rep, which is clearly developing, is going to get into opponents heads soon and get them to start thinking “We gotta be up by at least 10 with 3 min left cause this guy just doesn’t give a shit. He’s gonna find some way to lead them back and win if we don’t.”

  6. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Unreason:

    As a player I think the Tebow comparison is ridiculus. I’m not a Tebow fan. Don’t hate him, just not a fan. But his combination of coldbloodedness and penchant for late game comebacks does remind me of a famous QB…. Eli.

    YES, THANK YOU!
    I’m glad someone else is seeing the Eli similarities. I have a blog entry that talks about just that, if you all will allow me some shameless plugging:
    http://stoptryingtoplayme.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/a-blue-valintine-story/

  7. art vandelay

    Couldn’t one make the case that, as horrifically bad as the Melo trade was in depleting our depth, that we have effectively replaced pretty much what we gave up with comparable players now and also have Melo to show for it (mozgov, chandler, felton, gallinari vs. Lin, bdavis, jrsmith, chandler, etc.)….so I guess it really is easier to find useful assets and restore depth than to acquire a superstar (or at least all-star talent).

  8. jon abbey

    art vandelay:
    Couldn’t one make the case that, as horrifically bad as the Melo trade was in depleting our depth, that we have effectively replaced pretty much what we gave up with comparable players now and also have Melo to show for it (mozgov, chandler, felton, gallinari vs. Lin, bdavis, jrsmith, chandler, etc.)….so I guess it really is easier to find useful assets and restore depth than to acquire a superstar (or at least all-star talent).

    it’s a lot easier to find competent guards on the scrap heap when you have a really solid front line already in place. we got a bit lucky that Chandler was available and we were able to land him (how many times last year did we talk about trying to get a “Tyson Chandler type”?), but after that, getting some competent guards in place was only a matter of time. I don’t think anyone expected it to be this quick, though, probably not even Grunwald.

  9. jon abbey

    Eli was a #1 overall pick, the Giants parallel is of course Victor Cruz (even if PG is closer to QB than WR).

  10. The Infamous Cdiggy

    jon abbey:
    Eli was a #1 overall pick, the Giants parallel is of course Victor Cruz (even if PG is closer to QB than WR).

    yes, but if you’re using the comparison of a QB who consistently leads their team from behind to win a game and a PG (b’ball’s version of a QB) who has done the same, then the parallels are there in that regard.

  11. Unreason

    Nice blog. It would be asking too much I suppose for a few more of the parallels to get played out like”nobody could have seen this team’s turnaround coming; the coach was just about to get fired; you never know who the big player is going to be from game to game; they got hot just at the right time and wnet on to win it all”

    Definetly too much considering how well the Rangers are doing and how great the Yanks look. Gluttony kills the sweetness.

  12. danvt

    So happy. Hey, we can beat anyone on a given night! Wow. Why the minus after Tyson’s A? You want an assist? He saved basketball in NYC. He always gets the extra half grade. Lin gets the minus for the 7 TO’s, but so what. We beat the Mavs.

    Laugh out lines from the recap:

    “Engine-less Buick” — Bob?
    “Herb Williams on Dirk”– Jim?
    “Nursing other, weaker peoples wounds”– Bob?
    “If he were a rattlesnake he’d have no rattle, thereby making him more of a regular snake-type snake. You get my point.”–Bob?
    “Comely Jared” (I’ve never read anything as funny as this!) –Bob?

    How’d I do?

  13. Unreason

    jon abbey: Eli was a #1 overall pick, the Giants parallel is of course Victor Cruz (even if PG is closer to QB than WR).

    Cruz is definitely the parallel on the “out of nowhere” scale. I was just noteing the similiarities to Eli on the weird-composure-under-pressure and uncanny-ability-to-make-big-plays-at-the-end-of-games-scales. ISSCH (Insert Small Sample Size Caveat Here)

  14. Bruno Almeida

    art vandelay:
    Couldn’t one make the case that, as horrifically bad as the Melo trade was in depleting our depth, that we have effectively replaced pretty much what we gave up with comparable players now and also have Melo to show for it (mozgov, chandler, felton, gallinari vs. Lin, bdavis, jrsmith, chandler, etc.)….so I guess it really is easier to find useful assets and restore depth than to acquire a superstar (or at least all-star talent).

    Lin’s emergence from out of nowhere certainly did that, and Chandler’s signing was definitely nothing short of a Home Run.

    but it doesn’t make up for the fact that it was, probably, the wrong decision… it’s REALLY rare to be this lucky, finding a Point Guard this good from the scrap heap.

  15. Robert Silverman Post author

    danvt:
    So happy.Hey, we can beat anyone on a given night!Wow. Why the minus after Tyson’s A?You want an assist?He saved basketball in NYC.He always gets the extra half grade.Lin gets the minus for the 7 TO’s, but so what.We beat the Mavs.

    Laugh out lines from the recap:

    “Engine-less Buick” — Bob?
    “Herb Williams on Dirk”– Jim?
    “Nursing other, weaker peoples wounds”– Bob?
    “If he were a rattlesnake he’d have no rattle, thereby making him more of a regular snake-type snake. You get my point.”–Bob?
    “Comely Jared” (I’ve never read anything as funny as this!) –Bob?

    How’d I do?

    2 out of 5 right. I won’t say which, even though you’re the only one playing the game.

  16. Bruno Almeida

    @14

    and that’s not a knock on the front office, they definitely felt Lin was worthy of a chance or they would never have signed him in the first place… but for him to be this good this early? lady luck smiled on us for the first time in a LONG period…

    Grunwald has been awesome this year, what an incredible run of good moves.

  17. Bruno Almeida

    to finish, a nice stat from espn NY:

    “Novak has 43 made-field goals this season, 24 of which have been assisted by Lin. “

  18. NJtoTX

    By the way, the Knicks have only lost the turnover battle in 2 of these 9 games, vs SAC and vs NO. Lin’s handling the ball 80% of the time. It’s not the issue it’s being made out to be.

  19. Juany8

    It’s actually not that hard to pick up a solid PG who could have fit the team perfectly, even someone like Delonte West would probably have this team at .500 if he was starting the whole year for Toney Douglas (worst player in the NBA lol). Lin only had to save the team and play like a superstar because Melo and Amar’e went out at the same time while we were already at 8-15. It’s just hard to gauge how much better this team would have been with any decent guard instead of Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby. I wouldn’t be surprised if Baron Davis plays like a total beast at some point, Felton and Duhon did under D’Antoni.

  20. DS

    Lin’s current assist %, 48.7%, is the 20th best of all-time for a single season…

    …he is, however, a distant 2nd to Nash this season whose assists accounts for 59% (?!?!?!?!?!) of the Suns’ field goals. Which would be good for best ever if he keeps it up.

  21. Unreason

    danvt: Why the minus after Tyson’s A? You want an assist? He saved basketball in NYC. He always gets the extra half grade.

    Yep.

    Wouldn’t give a minus for the TOs to Lin though. Other than CP3 which high-penetration pg gets that amount of pressure and gets < 7 assists while being as effective as he was? It was a purely monstrous game from Lin if you ask me. The very definition of an A+.

    I'd lobby for T-1000 and Lin to both get a standard extra half a grade every game. It would be hard for me to feel confident about winning any game against a decent opponent without both of them playing major minutes.

  22. Bruno Almeida

    Unreason: Yep.

    Wouldn’t give a minus for the TOs to Lin though. Other than CP3 which high-penetration pg gets that amount of pressure and gets< 7 assists while being as effective as he was? It was a purely monstrous game from Lin if you ask me. The very definition of an A+.

    I’d lobby for T-1000 and Lin to both get a standard extra half a grade every game. It would be hard for me to feel confident about winning any game against a decent opponent without both of them playing major minutes.

    Lin’s turnovers are quite high, yes, but he is the only ball handler on the team (that is, before J.R Smith came) and he’s the responsible for initiating offense every single time down the court, so that’s to be expected.

    any PG that plays 38+ minutes and needs to be the initiator on every play would have high turnover numbers, specially considering he’s got 7 starts on his whole career.

    those numbers will be down as soon as Melo and Baron are back and in form.

  23. ephus

    I am certain that you wrote the JR Smith recap, since you made the same point during the game (Post #187). I think you are selling JR short (and I had been making the JR = Nate point during the run-up to his acquisition) based on today, because his offense came within the team concept — see the great assist to Lin for the corner 3. JR was rotating back on defense and taking only open shots (except when the 24 second clock was running down). Nate could make MDA hate him, even when he was scoring 20 points in a row.

  24. Caleb

    p.s. fwiw Nate is putting up a real nice year in Golden State, at 22 mpg. Looks like he finally figured out how to play the point. If he starts hitting 3s like he used to, he’d be a decent starter.

  25. Caleb

    Also, I think the fact we’re winning is letting people give Lin a little bit of a free pass on the TOs.. yes he’s handling a lot, but his TO rate is still terrible.. only 6 of 62 NBA PGs are worse.

    I think a lot of it is fatigue, and he’s super-raw in his career so I think he’ll get better, but it’s going to hurt the Knicks against good defensive teams, like we saw today.

  26. Unreason

    Bruno Almeida: any PG that plays 38+ minutes and needs to be the initiator on every play would have high turnover numbers, specially considering he’s got 7 starts on his whole career.

    That’s what I was getting at.

    Bruno Almeida: those numbers will be down as soon as Melo and Baron are back and in form.

    Bruno Almeida: those numbers will be down as soon as Melo and Baron are back and in form.

    Well even if his total TOs are only down because BD is spelling him for decent stretches and his TO rate stays high, I’m happy as hell so long as he’s able to come anywhere close to sustaining his current overall impact on the game while he’s in.

  27. BigBlueAL

    Lin could average 6 turnovers per game for the rest of this season and as long as he and the team continue to play like they are playing I could give a shit about the turnovers. I believe I saw a stat after the game that the Knicks have only had more turnovers than their opponents twice in the past 9 games.

    BTW guess which team leads the NBA in turnovers. The team with the best record in the NBA, the OKC Thunder.

  28. danvt

    Robert Silverman: 2 out of 5 right. I won’t say which, even though you’re the only one playing the game

    Crap! Not even half right. I’m Stumped (Shumped?) but I guess I’m still leading the Field(s?). I’m gonna call in a life line and try again.

    “Engine-less Buick” — Jim?
    “Herb Williams on Dirk”– Bob?
    “Nursing other, weaker peoples wounds”– Jim?
    “If he were a rattlesnake he’d have no rattle, thereby making him more of a regular snake-type snake. You get my point.”–Bob?
    “Comely Jared” (I’ve never read anything as funny as this!) –Bob?

    I’m really just guessing at this point though. Meanwhile, this is the best recap I’ve read and maybe my favorite Knick game of the season, and, ergo, my life.

  29. max fisher-cohen

    Nice recap to the both of you. Here are my guesses for who wrote what:

    Cavan: Stoudemire, Shumpert, Fields, Chandler
    Sliverman: Lin, Jeffries, Novak, Smith

    Five things I saw:

    Cavan: 1, 3
    Silverman: 2, 4, 5

    @art, There’s a reason the Lin story is like the biggest NBA story since the brawl. Well, there are many reasons, but one of the largest is precisely how unusual it is to dip into the end of the bench and find a star. We get hyper lucky with him. And JR is a rental. Slim odds that he’s here next year.

  30. Unreason

    Caleb: only 6 of 62 NBA PGs are worse.

    How many of those 62 are risking TOs as frequently by playing an agressive stlye though, much less making their teammates as good or making their opponents work as hard?

  31. Caleb

    Yes, his style contributes, but I’m being realistic.. his TO rate is 16; plenty of guys who play very aggressively are under 10.. Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Brandon Jennings, even Kemba Walker.

    Obviously he’s playing well and you can even look on the bright side and say that as good as he’s been, he has lots of room to improve… I’m just pointing out that he does turn it over a LOT; it’s not just that he dominates the ball for us.

  32. Unreason

    max fisher-cohen: @art, There’s a reason the Lin story is like the biggest NBA story since the brawl. Well, there are many reasons, but one of the largest is precisely how unusual it is to dip into the end of the bench and find a star. We get hyper lucky with him. And JR is a rental. Slim odds that he’s here next year.

    The guy who got us both Chandler and Lin deserves much credit for our current good fortune as fans, luck or no, IMO.

  33. Robert Silverman Post author

    max fisher-cohen:
    Nice recap to the both of you. Here are my guesses for who wrote what:

    Cavan: Stoudemire, Shumpert, Fields, Chandler
    Sliverman: Lin, Jeffries, Novak, Smith

    Five things I saw:

    Cavan: 1, 3
    Silverman: 2, 4, 5

    100% on the player recaps. 3 of 5 on the comments. Unless someone else steps up, Max wins the (non) prize

  34. Kikuchiyo

    Kikuchiyo’s Theory of Intangible Point Guard Value

    After 23 games of hesitant, I’m-with-stupid guard play, the Knicks finally seem assertive and willing to risk a little. It’s not just a confidence thing, although that is surely part of it. What I see is that Lin is so aggressive and so sure with his passes that other players feel compelled to shoot when the ball appears in their hands. Something like: “Jeremy thought I should catch it here, he must have seen something.” Guys who would in the past sometimes stand, Hamlet-like, and ponder the next move are now flowing into shots and expecting them to go in. Yeah, it’s a bit psychological and another bit about what good pass placement does. But I’m talking about something in between the two, something that compels players to finish plays. Even the strangely inert Stoudemire has scored most of his recent points on dishes that practically came with “d-u-n-k m-e” labels already affixed.

    I’m all in on Lin.

  35. Bruno Almeida

    Will the Thrill:
    Boston getting crushed by Detroit tonight.Good.

    and Rondo is looking terrible…

    also, pretty bizarre, Detroit has shot 44 free throws while Boston has only 15, Tommy Heinsohn’s head might have exploded by now.

  36. Unreason

    Caleb: Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Brandon Jennings, even Kemba Walker.

    No doubt he turning it over a lot. And I think Paul and Parker are great guys for Lin to try to emulate in keeping TOs down while making everyone else better and being relentless in pressuring opponents D. Jennings also, to a lesser extent. Walker, not so much. I know you weren’t proposing that as a comprehensive list. I was just suggesting that the list of really good comparisons is a lot shorter than all 64 and even among that shortish list, he gets a lot of value out of all the risks he takes that lead to those TOs.

  37. max fisher-cohen

    Robert Silverman: 100% on the player recaps. 3 of 5 on the comments. Unless someone else steps up, Max wins the (non) prize

    You and Blake Griffin will be delivering me a Kia shortly, I expect.

  38. BangBang

    To all who post here,
    You sirs are the most well-informed, opinionated and enjoyable group of Knicks fans I’d ever care to read. Thank you.
    Now let’s kick some more ass!!!

  39. hoolahoop

    Frank:
    Kind of a telling thing in the post-game– all the Mavs giving mucho respect to D’Antoni.Amazing that this kid shows up out of nowhere and MDA is an offensive genius again.

    Mavs also showing mucho respect to the Knicks, saying we might challenge Miami and Chicago.

    I think everyone’s a believer now.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/17344611/lin-dantoni-a-match-made-in-basketball-heaven

    It’s easy to get excited right now . . . but the knicks probably just played their best game of the season.
    One big obstacle going forward is the schedule.

  40. hoolahoop

    Assuming everything comes together, somewhat, the key to the playoffs is getting a 6th or better seed. Opening against Chicago, or especially Miami, is not good.
    They have a good chance of beating anyone else in the division in the first round.
    Unfortunately, the schedule is ferocious going forward.

  41. daJudge

    Lin needs some work on his dribble and, as he runs the offense more, his TO’s will decrease. Big deal. He does have a pretty decent crossover, no? I was hoping for a competent guard and he far exceeded my expectations. Also, they were naturally blanketing Lin tonight. This would be tough to do with Melo on the court at the same time with either Smith/Novak/or hopefully Fields stretching the offense. With the additional space, his TO’s will decrease. I’m not worried at all. I am a little worried about STAT. Is he the weak link? Is that possible?

  42. Unreason

    Watching the Knuggs beat up the Thunder and seeing how well Lawson and Andre Miller play together and then, thinking about how well Chris Paul and Billups have been playing together… I’m wondering how well a Lin + (healthy) BD back court would work.

  43. danvt

    daJudge: Is he the weak link? Is that possible?

    Right now, I think I’d rather have Jeffries out there! That’ll probably change though. Stat seems to be finding himself a little right now. Amazingly, he, actually, only has to blend in right now (and Melo too!) This is Lin and Chandlers fucking team.

    UNREAL.

  44. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Thanks a million guys for checking out my blog post. Hopefully if our boys n blue and orange keep up the improved play, I’ll be influenced to write a bit more about em.

  45. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Unreason:
    Watching the Knuggs beat up the Thunder and seeing how well Lawson and Andre Miller play together and then, thinking about how well Chris Paul and Billups have been playing together… I’m wondering how well a Lin + (healthy) BD back court would work.

    GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
    lol j/k but for reals – I had the same thought (for a moment) today. Would it be so crazy to have Lin and BDiddy on the court together for say 10 to 15 minutes of a game?

  46. Frank

    Regardless of whether we play CHI or MIA in the first or second round, I think we will be a very difficult out.

    First Chicago – Chicago has a great defensive reputation, but they don’t do well against D’Antoni offenses. This year, our offensive efficiency against them was 108.5 WITHOUT Jeremy Lin, Baron Davis, Steve Novak, and JR Smith. Last year, we played 3 games against them – we got our butts handed to us in the 1st game (OffEff 93.8, but the next 2 games were 100 and 120). Phoenix had an OffEff of 100 and 102 against them in 2 games. Their 2nd in the league defense only gave up 94.6 points/100 poss according to hoop data (and if you take out the D’Antoni-style offenses, it would be even lower).

    Miami has a great defense but it is predicated on the ability of LBJ and Wade to help off their man if necessary, or for them to shut down the opponent’s #1 scorer (eg. LBJ taking on Rose). We literally have 4 guys that can be on the floor at the SAME TIME that can and have gone off for 30+ in any game – Lin, JR, Melo, Amare. Who knows what Baron has left, but he has the potential too.

    I know I’m getting way ahead of myself, but the amount of talent on this team is just sick now. Seriously – this is our lineup from the pre-STAT era:

    PG: Duhon
    SG: Larry Hughes
    SF: Gallo
    PF: Lee
    C: Darko
    Bench: Harrington, Chandler, TD, Jefferies

    Donnie Walsh and to a pretty equal extent, Glenn Grunwald, need a serious standing O any time they are ever at the garden.

  47. Unreason

    daJudge: I am a little worried about STAT. Is he the weak link? Is that possible?

    Pretty clearly IMO. But if there isn’t something wrong with him physically or mentally, and he’s not in the pocket of the Steve Jaffe syndicate, he should regain at least some of his former offensive efficiency. If he does, he’ll still be the weak link on D but the offense of the New York Links could be a thing of rare beauty.

  48. Frank O.

    Caleb:
    Yes, his style contributes, but I’m being realistic.. his TO rate is 16; plenty of guys who play very aggressively are under 10.. Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Brandon Jennings, even Kemba Walker.

    Obviously he’s playing well and you can even look on the bright side and say that as good as he’s been, he has lots of room to improve… I’m just pointing out that he does turn it over a LOT; it’s not just that he dominates the ball for us.

    I think you are right but teams also know that the only way to beat the Knicks is to get the ball out of his hands. He is getting extraordinary pressure. I have watched Chris Paul and Deron Williams all year and they don’t get the kind of pressure he gets. Everyone knows, without Lin,, the Knicks are an average team at best.
    Imagine, your playing now for two weeks regular minutes in the NBa and the Dallas mavericks make Shawn Marion guard you, and a double is coming from Dirk Nowitzki.
    Not sure Paul or Williams would fare much enter under those circumstances.

  49. Bruno Almeida

    Frank O.: I think you are right but teams also know that the only way to beat the Knicks is to get the ball out of his hands. He is getting extraordinary pressure. I have watched Chris Paul and Deron Williams all year and they don’t get the kind of pressure he gets. Everyone knows, without Lin,, the Knicks are an average team at best.
    Imagine, your playing now for two weeks regular minutes in the NBa and the Dallas mavericks make Shawn Marion guard you, and a double is coming from Dirk Nowitzki.
    Not sure Paul or Williams would fare much enter under those circumstances.

    well, Deron sure has been struggling a lot on a team where he is the only threat, his shooting percentages have been wretched.

  50. danvt

    So, tomorrow, less than twenty four seconds left in a quarter and Lin and Melo are both on the court. I assume Lin has the ball in his hands, no?

  51. bobneptune

    jon abbey: it’s a lot easier to find competent guards on the scrap heap when you have a really solid front line already in place.

    they are 8-1 with hall of fame caliber play from lin. do you think the would have won 4 of those 8 with “competent” pg play? really, only the sacto game was a laugher.

    this notion that hof caliber play from pgs falls out of trees is pretty laughable.

    our other competent pgs off the scrap heap are named the zombie bibby and the player formerly known as baron davis who hasn’t played an nba game in 10 months and missed the first 29 this season with a back injury.

  52. danvt

    Juany8: It’s actually not that hard to pick up a solid PG who could have fit the team perfectly, even someone like Delonte West would probably have this team at .500 if he was starting the whole year for Toney Douglas (worst player in the NBA lol). Lin only had to save the team and play like a superstar because Melo and Amar’e went out at the same time while we were already at 8-15. It’s just hard to gauge how much better this team would have been with any decent guard instead of Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby. I wouldn’t be surprised if Baron Davis plays like a total beast at some point, Felton and Duhon did under D’Antoni.

    No, LBJ’s mama’s BF doesn’t lead us to 7-1 with victories over Dirk and Kobe. The thing is, Lin is our best player, or at least our best offensive player. We didn’t pick up someone service-able off waivers. We picked up one of the best players in the league. This makes Landry Fields, Dejuan Blair, Brad Miller, etc. look like merely decent acquisitions.

  53. TheXman

    Getting nervous that they might lose to the Nets tomorrow, after this huge high. Kind of like losing to the WHORENETS. Melo, don’t fuck it up, hopefully he’s not too rusty.

  54. Unreason

    Frank O.: Not sure Paul or Williams would fare much enter under those circumstances

    While I’m hoping to stay this side of any serious CP-Rose-Williams comparisons re Lin’s present level of play, I am fully committed to delusions of grandeur re his ceiling within this system by the end of the year.

    What pair of other players is the most apt ceiling for each Lin – NYK teammate tandem by the end of the play-offs?

    Lin/Melo: Westbrook/Durant?
    Lin/Amare: CP3/Griffin?
    Lin/Smith: Parker/Ginobli?
    Lin/Chandler: Rose/Noah?
    Lin/Davis: CP3/Billups?

    Obviosly, the NYK side of any of those pairs is unlikely to come very close to matching the non-NYK counterpart, but just listing them suggests the problems for guarding the Links for the rest of the year.

  55. bobneptune

    Frank:
    Kind of a telling thing in the post-game– all the Mavs giving mucho respect to D’Antoni.Amazing that this kid shows up out of nowhere and MDA is an offensive genius again.

    you know , frank, it is sort of difficult to run a point guard centric system without, you know, a point guard.

  56. danvt

    BigBlueAL: According to Jason Terry its all about D’Antoni’s system. I smell some sour grapes lol:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_jeremy_lin_dantoni_system_knicks_021912

    I’m dating myself, but I was in 7th grade the year Magic and Bird came into the league. I remember thinking, and, unfortunately, saying, “Naw, Bill Cartwright is ROY”. I learned and so will everyone else, including Jet. Of course, there wasn’t league pass back then. Word spreads faster now. Still, I understand people not believing it yet. I’m only just starting to.

  57. Unreason

    Knuggs v OKC, wow. Great game. Either Ibaka is not human or there are wires attached to a harness hidden under his jersey.

  58. danvt

    TheXman: Getting nervous that they might lose to the Nets tomorrow, after this huge high. Kind of like losing to the WHORENETS. Melo, don’t fuck it up, hopefully he’s not too rusty.

    It’s been hard being a Knicks fan I know. Breath deep big man, I think it’s real this time. We may lose to some bad teams periodically, but it’s no longer a given that we lose to good teams. Once we get some space between us and .500 each game won’t be a must win. That’ll help us psychologically and we’ll hopefully start hammering some teams.

  59. danvt

    But, more importantly, we’ll have the edge over the MIA’s and CHI’s because we have had to pull out so many gut check type games. That’s why The Gmen beat the Patriots. They were better in close games. Patriots needed to win 41-14

  60. KnickfaninNJ

    @45 and @57. It’s strange for me to read these articles about Lin and d’antoni’s system and reading that it’s because it’s a good fit is the reason for Lin’s sudden success. First it was a fluke and now this. No one has mentioned that Lin might actually have learned something from D’Antoni and his staff. But I think that Lin’s success is a partial tribute to D’Antoni. After all, the first few minutes Lin played for the Knicks he looked just like previous coaches described him (this was in garbage time when he first joined the team). But after some time with the team he was much better. That seems to me related to good coaching and his hard work.

  61. Z-man

    bobneptune: they are 8-1 with hall of fame caliber play from lin. do you think the would have won 4 of those 8 with “competent” pg play? really, only the sacto game was a laugher.this notion that hof caliber play from pgs falls out of trees is pretty laughable.our other competent pgs off the scrap heap are named the zombie bibby and the player formerly known as baron davis who hasn’t played an nba game in 10 months and missed the first 29 this season with a back injury.

    bob, you keep banging the same annoying drum, get over yourself. You were wrong. Admit it already. Bottom lin is, the theory that it is easier to find a PG on the scrap heap than a C or SF worked. You seem to not be able to deal with it. You sound like the Dukes in Trading Places, “Turn the machines back on, turn the machines back on…”

  62. Z-man

    Man, I sure wish we didn’t make the Melo, Amare, and especially the dumb Chandler trade, can you imagine how much better we would be right now? What idiots the Knicks GMs have been.

    Oh, wait, this is the most excited Knick fans have been about their team in a decade, tickets are selling at triple their face value against bad teams, commentators and opponents are talking about the team in the most glowing of terms. Boy, that must really suck for the pseudo-fan doubters. As thcj said earlier in the year, HAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAA!

  63. hoolahoop

    Lin has been playing lights out since he Feb 4th. Since then, he has scored more points than anyone in the NBA (Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Durant).

    It just doesn’t seem real. This just doesn’t happen. Especially to small guys that don’t jump and twist in the air like cats. Un-friggin-believable.

  64. jon abbey

    Z-man: bob, you keep banging the same annoying drum, get over yourself.You were wrong. Admit it already. Bottom lin is, the theory that it is easier to find a PG on the scrap heap than a C or SF worked. You seem to not be able to deal with it.You sound like the Dukes in Trading Places, “Turn the machines back on, turn the machines back on…”

    haha, yes! they didn’t just find Lin, they’ve also gotten Baron Davis and JR Smith, and that’s in half a season.

    FWIW, next up on the list if Lin failed was Mike James, who’s instead playing pretty well for Chicago in Rose’s absence. obviously finding someone as good as Lin is unusual, but with everyone back, arguably this team didn’t need someone quite that good (although it’s nice to have certainly).

  65. hoolahoop

    The knicks trade four starters for Melo to go with their remaining superstar. They fill the roster with rookies and nobodies.
    Can’t beat anybody . . . until they lose their two superstars.
    Now, they can beat anybody without them.
    How can this be happening? If this was a movie I’d say it was phoney and turn it off. Un-friggin-believable.

  66. hoolahoop

    D Will is going to want revenge for being embarrassed victim #1. The Heat are salivating to show what they think of Lin-mania. It’s going to be a fun week.

  67. DS

    Caleb: Where are we getting this? Here it looks like his ast rate is 25.4, 44th in the NBA this year.
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/assistRatio

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_leaders.html

    Assist Pct
    1. Steve Nash-PHO 59.1
    2. Rajon Rondo-BOS 46.1
    3. Jose Calderon-TOR 45.3
    4. Deron Williams-NJN 44.3
    5. Chris Paul-LAC 42.9
    6. Tony Parker-SAS 40.7
    7. Ricky Rubio-MIN 39.6
    8. Derrick Rose-CHI 39.1
    9. Ramon Sessions-CLE 38.2
    10. LeBron James-MIA 36.0
    11. John Wall-WAS 35.3
    12. Andre Miller-DEN 34.9
    13. Kyle Lowry-HOU 33.9
    14. Kyrie Irving-CLE 33.3
    15. Jarrett Jack-NOH 33.1
    16. Mike Conley-MEM 31.3
    17. Jameer Nelson-ORL 30.7
    18. Russell Westbrook-OKC 30.6
    19. Raymond Felton-POR 30.3
    20. Ty Lawson-DEN 30.0

  68. bobneptune

    Z-man: bob, you keep banging the same annoying drum, get over yourself.You were wrong. Admit it already. Bottom lin is, the theory that it is easier to find a PG on the scrap heap than a C or SF worked. You seem to not be able to deal with it.You sound like the Dukes in Trading Places, “Turn the machines back on, turn the machines back on…”

    it is only annoying to you because you insist hall of fame production from the pg position is easy to find and centers are impossible to find.

    they searched the scrap heap and came up with davis and bibby. the lin fell to earth. easily anticipated a guy with a 23.5 per would fall into their laps.

    legendary foresight on their part, imo.

    i’ll be happy to admit chandler was a wonderful acquisition for 54 million if you knew a pg with a 23.5 per would fall out of the sky for the nba minimum.

    as you well know…. with the “great” center and no pg over the first 23 games they were a crisp 8 and 15 (playing an awfully weak schedule)if you don’t remember.

    i’d just thought i’d bring you back to the facts.

  69. Spree8nyk8

    hoolahoop:
    Lin has been playing lights out since he Feb 4th. Since then, he has scored more points than anyone in the NBA (Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Durant).

    It just doesn’t seem real. This just doesn’t happen. Especially to small guys that don’t jump and twist in the air like cats. Un-friggin-believable.

    I’ll tell you just how not real this seems. I swear on my life I have had an irrational fear for the last two weeks that I’m having a friggin awesome dream and that in the morning I’m gonna wake up and have to face the fact that actually believing that our 15th player off the bench would come in and be godlike was the best dream ever.

    And for the record, if I’m in the Matrix right now…..I want the fucking blue pill!

  70. JK47

    Knicks are 16-16.

    Nuggets are 17-15.

    If the season ended today, the Knicks would make the playoffs and the Nuggets would not.

  71. rururuland2

    bobneptune: it is only annoying to you because you insist hall of fame production from the pg position is easy to find and centers are impossible to find.they searched the scrap heap and came up with davis and bibby. the lin fell to earth. easily anticipated a guy with a 23.5 per would fall into their laps.legendary foresight on their part, imo.i’ll be happy to admit chandler was a wonderful acquisition for 54 million if you knew a pg with a 23.5 per would fall out of the sky for the nba minimum. as you well know…. with the “great” center and no pg over the first 23 games they were a crisp 8 and 15 (playing an awfully weak schedule)if you don’t remember.i’d just thought i’d bring you back to the facts.

    So what? So what?

    Every excellent team outside of perhaps Miami has been on the receiving end of incredible luck.

    The Gasol trade? 9 teams passed on Andrew Bynum.

    The Spurs? Are you kidding me? The one year Robinson goes down they win the Duncan lottery? You know how they got Manu and Parker?

    What about Chicago…..They had less than 2 percent chance of winning the Rose lottery.

    Boston and their run? How important was Perkins, a 27th selection?

    What about the Thunder? Durant was absolutely miserable his rookie year (on a team that had some talent) which allows them to draft Westbrook. Oh, and Presti the mastermind lucked into Serge Ibaka. Where would OKC be without Ibaka, a late first-round project.

    The Clippers? Griffin gets injured his rookie year, allows them to draft Gordon, which then turns into Chris Paul.

    Dallas? Dirk was not exactly a slam dunk.

    Look, a GM gets credit for the team he fields, regardless of how much luck you percieve him to have had assembling the roster… The bottom line is that luck has turned a lot fo GM’s into masterminds.

  72. rururuland2

    Frank: Kind of a telling thing in the post-game– all the Mavs giving mucho respect to D’Antoni. Amazing that this kid shows up out of nowhere and MDA is an offensive genius again.Mavs also showing mucho respect to the Knicks, saying we might challenge Miami and Chicago. I think everyone’s a believer now.http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/17344611/lin-dantoni-a-match-made-in-basketball-heaven

    These are precisely the same kind of sentiments Terry had for the
    Nuggets in ’08-09 when Denver was on the cusp of going from under the rader (afer they beat Dallas down in the regular season when Melo scored 44) to a legit threat to make the Finals (as they should have).

    This Knicks team, in my opinion, is better than that Nuggets team, perhaps significantly if everything comes together just right (and that was a damn good team)

    “Say what you will, but J.R. can play,” Dallas Mavericks sharpshooter Jason Terry said, following the Mavs’ 104-97 loss to the Knicks. “He’s definitely the dude to give them that lift. He can shoot from anywhere. Score from anywhere. He’s tough. He defends and he has no conscience. That means he’s not scared. That helps come playoff time, and it’s fair to assume [the Knicks] will be in the postseason, so things could get very interesting.”

    He can’t do it alone, though,” Terry explained. “The elite in this league can’t, so you know he won’t. But give the Knicks credit. Since they went out and got J.R., obviously they know that. When Carmelo (Anthony) comes back and you put them two on the floor together with Lin, look out.”

  73. danvt

    Z-man: bob, you keep banging the same annoying drum, get over yourself. You were wrong. Admit it already. Bottom lin is, the theory that it is easier to find a PG on the scrap heap than a C or SF worked. You seem to not be able to deal with it. You sound like the Dukes in Trading Places, “Turn the machines back on, turn the machines back on…”

    I have posted these kinds of comments here recently but I need to recant. The idea was, get the elite player and the complementary players will be available for cheap. So, Melo was worth the huge haul we gave Denver, according to that logic. But this situation is just not vindication of that logic. We were incredibly FORTUNATE to pluck Jeremy Lin. Dumb luck? No, Glenny G and crew deserve all the kudos but Lin’s level of play has been nothing short of brilliant and that’s what saved the season. To say, the strategy that we mapped out last February worked is disingenuous.

    @85 I agree that most winning teams have had good fortune. It’s our turn. It’s the Ewing lottery again. When you think of the last ten years you might say it’s about time something like this happened. We had a long run of misfortune, but, this isn’t a referendum on the whole Melodrama.

    However, that being said, at this point I would not change anything that’s happened this year or last. It was all worth it.

  74. rururuland2

    “With J. R. in there, we had no plays,” D’Antoni said, chuckling. “I kind of like to play that way. It’s hard to scout. We’re just moving the ball.”

    To me that was the most amazing thing about the win and the most revealing about the team’s potential.

    They beat the NBA champs by standing around the perimeter and running high pick and roll every time down. You had a lineup that had never been on the floor together, even in a practice setting. Just remarkeable.

    The potential of this offense is just sick.

  75. rururuland2

    But Smith said that playing in New York, in D’Antoni’s high-powered offense, “was really a no-brainer.”

    Although Smith has had trouble over the years — including suspensions, traffic accidents and friction with coaches and teammates — he said his China experience changed him.

    “I think I’ve evolved better as a person, more than as a basketball player, when I went over there,” Smith said.

    He added: “It’s a clean slate for me. I’m not the same 18-year-old kid that I was eight years ago. I’m a grown man, 26 years old and ready to make big decisions for my life and make the best decisions for my teammates.”

    Have to find a way to get JR back next year.

  76. Antwan

    My question is: what CANT Lin do?? I never expected the array of pure skill we’ve seen from the player, I mean he’s phenomenal under pressure, can shoot the outside jumper, can float one in from 10, can drive inside the paint, shoot FTs, play defense, steal, and PASS with ability. I don’t think a guard this versatile has been on the Knicks, EVER.

  77. rururuland2

    Another good read on JR Smith: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/

    “The first five minutes were really mind-blowing,” Smith said. “The whole time during warmups I was just saying, ‘This is crazy.’ I’m at the Garden.’ I never imagined this in a million years, and to be out there for that first five minutes, the first thing I was thinking was, ‘Don’t air ball your first shot.’ Once I made the first one, that really got me going.

    “Jeremy was telling me, ‘Every time you play this game, don’t do anything different. This is how we wanted you and this is why you’re here and keep playing your game and we don’t mind if you shoot the ball.’ And that’s what I did. That really helped me.”

    While Smith shot 6-for-16 for the game off the bench (he had 15 points in 30 minutes), he made an immediate impact on his teammates. Steve Novak talked about it in the postgame locker room.

    “He was huge,” Novak said. “Everybody had their thoughts about what J.R. Smith would bring to the Knicks, and how he was going to play for us. I feel like he lived up to it. You see he wasn’t forcing. He was able to spread the floor, he was able to knock down big shots. And I think when we’re making shots, it just makes everybody’s job easier, and that’s what he does.”

    When Smith addressed reporters after the game — in the extended press room seating area made up for Linsanity — he confirmed his free agency decision came down to the Knicks and Clippers. While Smith said he and Chris Paul are very close — in fact, Paul is a godfather to his two small children — three main factors helped him seal the deal to sign with the Knicks: Carmelo Anthony, a return home (he’s from New Jersey) and the opportunity to play within D’Antoni’s spread-out, perimeter-based offense.

    Smith said Anthony, his former Nuggets teammate, made him excited about the Garden atmosphere when they talked on the phone a couple of times. He also knew his family and friends, like…

  78. rururuland2

    three main factors helped him seal the deal to sign with the Knicks: Carmelo Anthony, a return home (he’s from New Jersey) and the opportunity to play within D’Antoni’s spread-out, perimeter-based offense.

    Smith said Anthony, his former Nuggets teammate, made him excited about the Garden atmosphere when they talked on the phone a couple of times. He also knew his family and friends, like Sunday afternoon, would be able to watch him live. What he saw playing for D’Antoni was an opportunity to incorporate his exact game.

    “This offense matches my game to the T,” Smith said. “Fast-paced, run the lanes, get open and shoot the ball. Now, it’s more defensively. The pieces for this team with Tyson, Amare and Melo, those guys are really defensive-oriented. That really helped me out to build confidence to go out and play against Dirk [Nowitzki] and those guys. To see how positive everybody is around the building, it really helped me out. It was really a no-brainer. It was a perfect situation for me. I would’ve been a fool not to take it.”

    So, yes, Melo deserves some credit for getting JR to sign.

  79. jon abbey

    oh man, this is awesome:

    “Standing at his locker later, Kidd said Lin told him, “Coming down the stretch, I know you’re going to hit a 3.”

    “Unfortunately, I didn’t do that,” Kidd said. “I think he was softening me up.” “

  80. er

    Hey guys i know this is off topic from the great game but i found an interesting article from an SI interview with Kmart about melo

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/02/19/kenyon.martin/

    It seems fair to say that melos “selfishness” has been an espn/media creation

    Jr smith came to play with him he helped push JLin into the lineup so im quite sure hes a good teammate ….who happens to take bad shots from time to time but not selfish and he does want to win

  81. Thomas B.

    1. Thanks for using “The T-1000.” I was hoping that would catch on.

    2. Agreed that Lin has done more to bring out the beauty (in its own special way) of JJ’s game.

    3. Disagree that the rotation is now a problem. Even when Baron starts playing we do not know how well he will hold up, or whether he will be as effective as we’d like to hope. Also, with the schedule being what it is, the team’s newly acquired depth is a good thing.

    Adding Smith means Fields can move to reserve small forward which is where he belongs. If Davis can play well as the reserve point, Shumpert can play the reserve 2 guard. Shumpert is much better when he does not have to run the offense. And dear Lord I’d hate to lose his defense.

    Lin
    Smith
    Anthony
    Stoudemire
    Chandler

    Davis
    Shumpert
    Fields
    Novak
    Jeffries

    So that is a 10 man rotation for a coach that likes 8. But it could work because Baron should not big minutes right away, Novak doesn’t need a lot of time to have an impact, and Fields won’t play all that many minutes as the reserve 2/3.

  82. Z-man

    danvt: But this situation is just not vindication of that logic. We were incredibly FORTUNATE to pluck Jeremy Lin. Dumb luck? No, Glenny G and crew deserve all the kudos but Lin’s level of play has been nothing short of brilliant and that’s what saved the season. To say, the strategy that we mapped out last February worked is disingenuous.

    Actually, it’s not disingenuous. The belief is still that it will be Amare, Chandler and Melo that will be the core of the team for the next 4-5 years. If Lin didn’t work out, they would have found a decent PG eventually, be it Baron (who if healthy is better than Kidd, Billups, Fisher, Chalmers, etc…) or Mike James, or someone. That Lin is playing so well is great, but as Mark Cuban said, it wasn’t luck that we found him, it was good GMing for us and bad GMing from the other teams that had a shot at him.

    @85 great points, although bobneptune already has his mind made up that no matter what, because we were 8-15, all the GM decisions since Amare were bad ones and finding Lin is the only reason this team has a chance to be good. As if this 5-year strategy was to be fairly judged after 22 games.

    PS you forgot a big one: how lucky were the Celts that we drafted Balkman and passed on Rondo? And how unlucky were we that Minny’s strategy was to draft every PG on the board and that Stephen Curry was picked just before our turn?

  83. New Guy

    Is it likely we can re-sign Smith AND Lin? My understanding (via Larry Coon) is that we can only offer Lin 120% of the minimum salary and everything above that cuts into our mid-level. In addition, it is my understanding that we can only offer Smith money from the mid-level (unless he chooses his player option for year 2, which is unlikely), which Lin will substantially eat into. Is this correct?

  84. Nick C.

    I donno as long lasting as this argument is over the PG I don’t understand why if as some say it is so easy to find even a mediocre PG it took 20 games to do so? Anyone that thinks getting a PG that has played at Lin’s level … I don’t have polite words to describe that thought process. That being said why would anyone in their right minds pass up on T-1000?

  85. Caleb

    DS,
    As you see there is a discrepancy.. ESPN has his assist percentage at 25.4… basketball reference has it at 50. Not sure how that can happen! I think the 50 is a typo… somehow Jeremy doesn’t make the Baskerball reference Top 20 leaderboard. And his raw #s are good but not otherwordly, especially when you look at how many times he has the ball in his hand..

    DS: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_leaders.html

    Assist Pct
    1.Steve Nash-PHO59.1
    2.Rajon Rondo-BOS46.1
    3.Jose Calderon-TOR45.3
    4.Deron Williams-NJN44.3
    5.Chris Paul-LAC42.9
    6.Tony Parker-SAS40.7
    7.Ricky Rubio-MIN39.6
    8.Derrick Rose-CHI39.1
    9.Ramon Sessions-CLE38.2
    10.LeBron James-MIA36.0
    11.John Wall-WAS35.3
    12.Andre Miller-DEN34.9
    13.Kyle Lowry-HOU33.9
    14.Kyrie Irving-CLE33.3
    15.Jarrett Jack-NOH33.1
    16.Mike Conley-MEM31.3
    17.Jameer Nelson-ORL30.7
    18.Russell Westbrook-OKC30.6
    19.Raymond Felton-POR30.3
    20.Ty Lawson-DEN30.0

    DS:
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/linje01.html
    (Lin’s #s)

  86. Caleb

    New Guy:
    Is it likely we can re-sign Smith AND Lin?My understanding (via Larry Coon) is that we can only offer Lin 120% of the minimum salary and everything above that cuts into our mid-level.In addition, it is my understanding that we can only offer Smith money from the mid-level (unless he chooses his player option for year 2, which is unlikely), which Lin will substantially eat into.Is this correct?

    You are right – it’s extremely unlikely we can re-sign them both. Knicks are in the driver’s seat with Lin, because the Gilbert Arenas rule limits what other teams can offer – as it works out, the max legal offer will be less than the mid-level, so the Knicks can match if they want.

    Of course that means they won’t have the mid-level available for anyone else. They’ll be stuck with the lower mid-level, which is – I forget exactly, but in the $2-3 million range. I think Smith will probably have better offers. Although it’s not like he’s considered a superstar.

  87. Nick C.

    Wouldn’t they be insane to not do everythign to resign Lin, assuming he doesn’t have a Shane Spencer, Kevin Maas etc. drop-off.

  88. Caleb

    If he plays remotely at this level, then there’s no question the Knicks will re-sign Lin, but it will cost them the $5 million per – so they won’t have the mid-level available for anyone else.

  89. Nick C.

    Again if he stays near this level, that would be a no brainer. Unless Dolan just has a fetish with get a team finally that rolls, crash all the pieces, lather rinse repeat.

  90. Z-man

    Nick C.: I donno as long lasting as this argument is over the PG I don’t understand why if as some say it is so easy to find even a mediocre PG it took 20 games to do so? Anyone that thinks getting a PG that has played at Lin’s level … I don’t have polite words to describe that thought process. That being said why would anyone in their right minds pass up on T-1000?

    But that is the essential argument. bobneptune has stated that he felt at the time that using amnesty on Billups and then using essentially all of our remaining cap money for Chandler was a poor management decision because it left us with a hole at PG that we were not going to be able to fill. The counter argument was that finding the likes of Chandler was harder than finding an at least servicable PG. Nobody is saying that a player like Lin would be readily available; but the philosophy that we are more likely to be lucky at the PG position than at the C is just as reasonable, if not more so, than keeping Billups, or trading Amare or Melo, or not making the Melo trade, or any of the counter-proposals. The proof is in the pudding. The 8-15 record was due in large part to underestimating how bad TD would be at the point in D’Antoni’s system, and to Melo getting hurt when they were 6-4. Does anyone seriously think that this was enough evidence to conclude that the Chandler move was a bad one? Please, that is just dumb on so many levels. This was a 5-year plan, not a 22 games with no training camp plan.

  91. Caleb

    signing Chandler was the right call, with our without Lin. I don’t know anyone except Bob who disagrees.

    But what a surprise that we were able to fix our hole so quickly, and so dramatically.

  92. Nick C.

    Z-man: But that is the essential argument. bobneptune has stated that he felt at the time that using amnesty on Billups and then using essentially all of our remaining cap money for Chandler was a poor management decision because it left us with a hole at PG that we were not going to be able to fill. The counter argument was that finding the likes of Chandler was harder than finding an at least servicable PG. Nobody is saying that a player like Lin would be readily available; but the philosophy that we are more likely to be lucky at the PG position than at the C is just as reasonable, if not more so, than keeping Billups, or trading Amare or Melo, or not making the Melo trade, or any of the counter-proposals. The proof is in the pudding. The 8-15 record was due in large part to underestimating how bad TD would be at the point in D’Antoni’s system, and to Melo getting hurt when they were 6-4. Does anyone seriously think that this was enough evidence to conclude that the Chandler move was a bad one? Please, that is just dumb on so many levels. This was a 5-year plan, not a 22 games with no training camp plan.

    I think its a chicken or egg argument. You can’t win either way IMO. If Lin has been the main factor behind the success then Tyson has been a very close second. Without both they do not go 7-1. Then again, for all we know Jerome Jordan is Hakeem 2.0 :-). What noone mentions is that Chauncey was pretty much not as pleasing in real life as he is on paper. “Chauncey pullups” comes to mind (and he needed all sorts of gel excuses that Lin hasn’t needed). It is entirely possible this team with Chauncey but w/o Tyson is not a whole lot better than 8-15.

  93. Z-man

    Difference is, Tyson is a bonafide top-tier center in his prime that needs a PG to max out his effectiveness; Chauncey is a shoot-first PG in the twilight of his career that proved in LA that he is much better suited to being a 2 at this point. Not to mention that the injury he sustained, and how he sustained it, is a product of age and could just as well had happened here. That we decided to put the $ into a high-efficiency rim protector with a well-established locker room presence, a guy that is credited with putting the Mavs over the top, is part of why that deal was a no-brainer.

  94. New Guy

    Caleb: You are right – it’s extremely unlikely we can re-sign them both. Knicks are in the driver’s seat with Lin, because the Gilbert Arenas rule limits what other teams can offer – as it works out, the max legal offer will be less than the mid-level, so the Knicks can match if they want.

    Of course that means they won’t have the mid-level available for anyone else. They’ll be stuck with the lower mid-level, which is – I forget exactly, but in the $2-3 million range. I think Smith will probably have better offers. Although it’s not like he’s considered a superstar.

    THanks. And what about Landry? Does a two year player have bird rights or does paying him eat into our mid-level, too?

  95. Brian Cronin

    THanks. And what about Landry? Does a two year player have bird rights or does paying him eat into our mid-level, too?

    The Knicks have “early Bird” rights to Fields, meaning that they can pay him up to the mid-level without having to use the mid-level (plus, other teams can only offer up to the mid-level, as well).

    I did a bit on it a few days ago that should be helpful…http://knickerblogger.net/finally-a-definitive-answer-on-jeremy-lins-contract-status/

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