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Saturday, July 26, 2014

ESPN: Raymond Felton arrested

Well, this season sure keeps getting worse, doesn’t it? According to Ian Begley of ESPN New York:

New York Knicks point guard Raymond Felton was arrested early Tuesday morning on three counts of criminal possession of a weapon, according to a New York Police Department spokesman.

Felton was charged with second- and third-degree criminal possession of a firearm, which are felonies, and fourth-degree possession of a firearm, which is a misdemeanor, the spokesman said. Further details on the weapons charges are not known at this point.

Felton is expected to appear in criminal court in Manhattan later Tuesday morning.

As we all know from Plaxico Burress’ problems, New York City is very strict with its gun possession laws. Now, we don’t know whether the charges will be dropped or otherwise reduced, but at the moment, Raymond Felton is in a very bad situation. According to the New York Post, Felton was allegedly brandishing his gun at his girlfriend. Hopefully that will turn out not to be the case.

83 comments on “ESPN: Raymond Felton arrested

  1. coyle022

    In a season full of incompetence, putrid play from key players, and a myriad of mistakes/losses in close games, this one has to take the cake.

    But from a Knicks’ perspective, this can be seen as a positive right? Now pablo can run the show and we eliminate Felton’s turnstile D.

    I do genuinely feel bad for him though, he was great back in 2010-11 before the Melo trade

  2. coyle022

    After doing some research, the 2nd degree possession charge is a class C, “violent” felony. Suggested sentence was anywhere from 3 to 15 years, depending on the crime and prior criminal history. Crazy stuff these days, his ex-wife must be a real bitch.

  3. Brian Cronin Post author

    I believe the woman he is alleged to have pointed the gun at is not his ex-wife but his current girlfriend.

  4. njasdjdh

    As someone who actually knows Felton’s ex/soon to be ex-wife I wish people would stop saying a lot of the uninformed stuff about her being a bitch or whatever.

  5. yellowboy90

    Okay, I see a report is out now that the wife found the gun and then turned it in to the Police. Reports earlier were that he was pointing it at his GF. I guess what really happen will all come out soon enough

  6. Hubert

    And we just waived Udrih, great!

    But he’s available.

    Does Felton count against the cap if he’s in jail? Asking for a friend.

  7. GoNyGoNYGo

    I resisted watching the Knick game until a glance at my iPad showed a tie game with 50ish seconds left. So I caved and saw what I expected. I went to sleep. I woke up and saw the Felton news and asked myself “Why do I even bother?”

    Then I put it all together. This is just the culmination of what has been brewing all season long. So I ask, how much of Felton’s being a mess is because of his personal problems?

  8. Zanzibar

    Hmm…maybe opposing guards will think twice before blowing by Ray and upsetting him now that he’s added a new tool to his defensive arsenal.

  9. flossy

    crazy stuff these days, his ex-wife must be a real bitch.

    Is this for real? What the fuck is wrong with people?

  10. Frank

    We should probably just see how this plays out before anyone gets too far ahead of themselves. NY Post says he was pointing his gun at people. Daily News says his wife brought the gun to police. If the first is true, obviously he is in deep doo-doo. If the second is true, I’m not sure how they even know that it’s his gun unless someone other than the wife that just filed for divorce brought it to the police saying it’s his. NY Times is reporting that the police sergeant said it’s for possession, not using it in a menacing manner.

    Thankfully no one was hurt/shot/shot at. But this is just a freaking embarrassment to everyone involved (excepting the wife if she actually was threatened with it) including this embarrassment of an organization.

    Re: the moral turpitude clause – maybe ephus will weigh in, but as I remember it, the league/teams couldn’t even void Sprewell’s or Arenas’s contracts – doubt they will be able to void Ray-Ray’s.

    I’ll tell you this much though — for Melo’s own sake I hope he goes elsewhere. I’m not sure anyone reasonable would really blame him. He’s given it his all, just playing out of his mind and putting 150% effort in. February #s – 40.6 min/game, 32.5/7.4/2.8, TS 58.4%. He’s doing everything he can.

    This organization needs a full teardown. Adam Silver needs to go to Dolan and tell him to have a nice long talk with Woody Johnson, who used to meddle just as much as Dolan does, as well as the really successful owners in any of the major sports — the Steelers, Giants, etc. Hire the right people, open your checkbook when they ask you to, and then STEP BACK.

  11. johnno

    So, to recap — in the last week, the Knicks have blown big leads against several teams that are affirmatively trying to lose, they’ve lost a game in which Chandler bounced a critical shot off his own head, they’ve lost a game in which Dirk Nowitzki hit a ridiculous buzzer beater that he himself called “an ugly, ugly shot,” they’ve been actively involved in trade discussions revolving around Iman Shumpert only to watch him blow up his surgically repaired knee within 16 hours of the trade deadline and they’ve cut their third string point guard, only to watch their starting point guard get arrested before the ink on the press release announcing that the third string guy was waived even had a chance to dry. It’s a good thing that the Knicks stink this year because, if they were fighting for a good playoff seed, none of us would be able to find the humor in all of this, which would be a damn shame. GO NEW YORK, GO NEW YORK, GO!!

  12. johnno

    Oh, I almost forgot — we also have JR Smith saying that him pulling down Vince Carter’s headband was just “an illusion” despite video evidence to the contrary.

  13. Frank

    Wow – Jimmer is close to being bought out. Definitely should jump on this if I’m NYK. But I wonder whether Jimmer wants in on this given the flaming wreck our organization is. But it’s close to home and it could be a big playing time opportunity for him given the Felton thing (and the fact that our PGs suck). And his D couldn’t be worse than our current crop.

  14. thenamestsam

    Man, this is rock bottom right? I mean if it isn’t then I don’t really care to know what’s coming next. Not only does this team continually find a way to dissapoint on the court even when I think I’m way past the point of caring, but they’re rapidly approaching the least likeable Knicks team ever. Even in the worst of the Isiah years there were guys I liked on the team (Lee, Nate, Frye, Jeffries). This team is just fucking gross and hateable, and Felton doesn’t get any more loveable with a firearm charge next to his name. What a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad season this has been. Is there an option to just simulate the rest?

  15. Frank

    wow – Herring is reporting that the gun was left in Mrs Felton’s house – and that she and her attorney brought it to the precinct. she must really hate him because she had to know (with her lawyer) that he’d probably go to jail for it. she could easily just have told him to come and get the freaking thing.

  16. thenamestsam

    Also from Herring’s story:

    Ms. Felton, 26, said that on four occasions, most recently Feb. 14, Mr. Felton waved the weapon around in an aggressive way but didn’t point it at her, according to the official.

    Happy Valentine’s Day! Go Knicks!

  17. DRed

    she must really hate him because she had to know (with her lawyer) that he’d probably go to jail for it.

    Or maybe she really doesn’t want to get shot by Ray Felton?

  18. DRed

    The Post story claims Ray was waving around a 28mm pistol. I’m fairly sure pistols in that big of a caliber don’t exist. That’s like an anti-tank gun.

  19. GoNyGoNYGo

    OK. So this changes from a gun-toting maniac to a spurned ex-wife trying to get back at her ex-husband. If they are divorced and it was in her house/apartment, was it in HIS possession or hers?

    But back to my original point, it’s clear now why Felton’s head wasn’t in the game this season.

  20. flossy

    OK. So this changes from a gun-toting maniac to a spurned ex-wife trying to get back at her ex-husband. If they are divorced and it was in her house/apartment, was it in HIS possession or hers?

    But back to my original point, it’s clear now why Felton’s head wasn’t in the game this season.

    Wow, really? First of all, they’re estranged, not divorced yet. Second of all, if you leave your illegal property at my house, it is not “in my possession” when I turn it in to the police.

  21. thenamestsam

    Yeah, trying to make out the woman to be the bad guy here is absolute first class bullshit. Obviously everything we’re saying is based on the assumption that the allegations are true, but if they are, I’m pretty sure the guy waving around the illegal gun in an aggressive manner around his wife as they’re going through marital issues is definitely the bad guy in this situation.

  22. iserp

    Wow – Jimmer is close to being bought out. Definitely should jump on this if I’m NYK. But I wonder whether Jimmer wants in on this given the flaming wreck our organization is. But it’s close to home and it could be a big playing time opportunity for him given the Felton thing (and the fact that our PGs suck). And his D couldn’t be worse than our current crop.

    I think we should take a flyer if given the opportunity. But i also think that at this point of his career Jimmer would take money first, and there are teams with cap space that will give him much more playing time (76ers?)

  23. flossy

    I think we should take a flyer if given the opportunity. But i also think that at this point of his career Jimmer would take money first, and there are teams with cap space that will give him much more playing time (76ers?)

    We may have nobody but Pablo and Toure Murry manning the point for the foreseeable future…

  24. Hubert

    I want to preface this by saying I’m only interested in discussing this vis-a-vis how it relates to Knicks on the court and their salary cap situation. I really have no desire to discuss gun laws or morality or any of that. If that makes me heartless, whatever. I wish all parties involved the best of luck and I will make no judgement about any of them. Because I really don’t give a shit and I’m not going to go through the motions of pretending this is bigger than basketball. I’m sure it is, lots of things are, I don’t talk about them on basketball sites.

    I do care about our salary cap, though. And this

    50% of the salary of a player suspended without pay continues to count against the salary cap.

    is better than the stretch provision.

    If we were to stretch him out, he’d count $1.55mm/year for 5 years. If he can be suspended without pay, he’d be $1.9mm for two years. And that’s not even getting into the issue of whether a player in prison is eligible to exercise his player option.

  25. The Ghost of Ted Nelson

    Jimmer Fredette is a 25 year old former lottery pick on a rookie contract playing for one of the worst teams in the league. How on earth is he a buyout candidate? And if he is a buyout candidate, doesn’t that answer the question of “should we sign him”?

  26. Hubert

    Man, this is rock bottom right?

    I believe it was Edgar in King Lear who said: “O gods! Who is it can say “I am at the worst”?
    I am worse than e’er I was. And worse I may be yet. The worst is not
    So long as we can say “Woodson is the worst.”

    ^ I may have paraphrased something in there, I’m not sure.

  27. iserp

    Jimmer Fredette is a 25 year old former lottery pick on a rookie contract playing for one of the worst teams in the league. How on earth is he a buyout candidate? And if he is a buyout candidate, doesn’t that answer the question of “should we sign him”?

    What does that make of Jeremy Lin when we picked him?

  28. Hubert

    Jimmer Fredette is a 25 year old former lottery pick on a rookie contract playing for one of the worst teams in the league. How on earth is he a buyout candidate? And if he is a buyout candidate, doesn’t that answer the question of “should we sign him”?

    Stupid teams do stupid things all the time. We waived Corey Brewer for no good reason and every contender in the league started calling his agent. There may be a good reason not to sign him, but I don’t think the fact that the Kings bought him up qualifies as one.

  29. yellowboy90

    I doubt he gets claimed off waivers considering the kings have been trying to trade him for so long but who knows.

  30. johnlocke

    @ Dred, you’re on fire today.

    We should def take a flyer on Fredette as a back-up.

    What’s happening to this team feels like some horrible movie — i mean everytime you think it’s rock bottom something worse happens. At this point, watching games to see how we’ll manage to lose and then smile and say should have seen that coming. Although definitely didn’t see Felton potentially going to jail for a couple years or more happening…

  31. JK47

    Man, this is rock bottom right?

    Ha! You think THIS is rock bottom? Imagine how bad this team is gonna suck next year after Carmelo bolts.

  32. Hubert

    wow – Herring is reporting that the gun was left in Mrs Felton’s house – and that she and her attorney brought it to the precinct.

    Ok, now I’m breaking my own rule, but only because I’m curious. How can someone be in possession of an unregistered gun if it’s in someone else’s house? Isn’t she the one in possession of the gun if it’s at her house and he doesn’t live there?

    By the way, let’s refrain from throwing guilt or innocence at either party, shall we? Ray could be crazy, she could be crazy, she could be innocent, he can be innocent. No need to make any assumptions on any part.

  33. thenamestsam

    You think THIS is rock bottom? Imagine how bad this team is gonna suck next year after Carmelo bolts.

    At least we’ll be headed towards a high lottery pick at that point. I think that’s better than this.

  34. ephus

    How can someone be in possession of an unregistered gun if it’s in someone else’s house? Isn’t she the one in possession of the gun if it’s at her house and he doesn’t live there?

    If a defendant exercises “dominion and control” over something (a gun, narcotics, money) at one point in time, the defendant is deemed by the law to have had possession of the item at one point in time. For example, if a person is a courier for stolen goods, he is liable for possession of stolen property even if he hands the loot off to someone else – like a fence.

    I have no idea whether Ray Felton is guilty of the gun charges. I am interested to see if he made any inculpatory statements to the police overnight.

  35. Hubert

    The Post story claims Ray was waving around a 28mm pistol. I’m fairly sure pistols in that big of a caliber don’t exist. That’s like an anti-tank gun.

    The story claims Mrs Felton “brought the Belgian-made pistol, an FNH Five-Seven 28mm handgun”.

    This is the gun:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

    It’s a straightforward semi-automatic handgun used by most law enforcement agencies. (I’m not a gun guy, I just googled.)

  36. Frank

    I’d take a flyer on Jimmer if for no other reason than we need shooting from the PG position. He’s awful on D but we’ve already seen awful from D. And his career #s trend is good:

    2011 per 36 – 14.7 / 2.3 / 3.4 – 36% from 3, TS 49.5
    2012 per 36 – 18.4 / 2.6 / 3.4 – 41.7% from 3, TS 54.6
    2013 per 36 – 18.7 / 3.5 / 4.7 – 49.3% from 3, TS 58.4

    And meanwhile what else do you expect from a guy that is getting waived by a bad team? I’ll tell you this much – I’d much rather have a 24 year old former lottery pick than Ike Diogu. And anyone that shoots 49.3% from 3 point range can play on this team.

  37. DRed

    Jimmer has not been so bad this year. I assume he can’t play much defense, but neither can any of our other healthy guards. Would be worth a shot on the cheap, and at the least he can stand in the corner and drop 3′s on people.

  38. GoNyGoNYGo

    @Hubert,
    I’m with you on the question about possession. It all becomes moot if Felton admits to owning and bringing the gun to NY. However, if he didn’t open his trap, he can say “Yeah, I bought it (pick-your-gun-totting state of choice) and left it there. I guess my soon-to-be-ex-wife wanted to get me in trouble so she got it here somehow to get me in trouble”.

    As for the choice of who to pick up, who cares any more?

  39. Hubert

    It’s not a question anymore, Ephus answered it. Besides if it’s his, it’s probably got his fingerprints on it.

  40. DRed

    As for the choice of who to pick up, who cares any more?

    For this season? I stopped caring about this season a long time ago. But I’m an irrepressible optimist. If we could sign Jimmer on the cheap for 2-3 years (I have no idea how these post-buyout deals work) we might get a decent asset out of the Kings stupidity.

  41. ephus

    Because the Knicks have only the minimum exception, they are limited to offering a two year deal (this year and 2014-15) at the minimum. I would be surprised if Jimmer would sign on for that.

  42. flossy

    And that’s not even getting into the issue of whether a player in prison is eligible to exercise his player option.

    This made me chuckle. The Knicks are so bad and sad.

  43. DRed

    I heard Dolan is making inquiries about arenas…

    Doesn’t he already own MSG? Is he planning on moving the Knicks?

  44. Hubert

    And that’s not even getting into the issue of whether a player in prison is eligible to exercise his player option.

    This made me chuckle. The Knicks are so bad and sad.

    It’s a fair question, though, isn’t it? I mean, if he’s in prison when his contract ends after 2015, and he still has another 13 months on his sentence, I’m not sure if he can just pick up his player option. I would imagine that you have to be able to legally fulfill your requirement in order to be able to exercise the option.

    That’s probably the one question not in Larry Coon’s FAQ.

  45. johnno

    How far has this team sunk that we are actually discussing whether a guy can exercise his option from prison and whether a guy in prison counts against the salary cap?

  46. Hubert

    Actually that’s just been me. So the question is how far have I sunk.

    And the answer is far. Very far.

  47. StatsTeacher

    Longtime lurker, occasional poster, but I have a question for ephus, CBA expert!

    Won’t the Knicks just place Felton on paid leave? That appears the smart thing to do until the proceedings play out.

    “Buying out” a player means what, and how does it affect cap? The player, I take it, agrees to a slightly smaller salary and then is treated as if waived? He can then sign only for the minimum, or can he sign for something larger?

    There is a lot of buying out going on right now, and many players are available.

  48. Mike Kurylo

    I’m sorry I have to weigh in here. If Raymond Felton got arrested for gun charges (and is guilty) then it’s his fault.

    It’s his fault for acquiring the gun.
    It’s his fault for not registering it in NY.
    It’s his fault for leaving it in someone else’s possession.
    (and if he did show it to other people – that’s his fault as well).

    Failing to see how this is 100% Felton’s fault is plain ludicrous.

  49. nicos

    Unless Felton copped to it- which is doubtful if he had a lawyer present- it’ll be hard to prove he had it in his possession in NYC given you’re just going by the word of his estranged wife. Unless there’s some other evidence my guess is it gets plea bargained down to where he sees no jail time. It’ll be very interesting to see what Adam Silver does- this is nowhere near as bad as the Arenas situation (brandishing a gun in the locker room) which wound up with a 50 game suspension but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s suspended for the rest of the season.

  50. Frank

    @nicos – see my post in the next thread – but it sounds like his own (divorce) lawyer admitted that Felton tried to give him the gun. I think Ray Ray is screwed.

  51. Cock Jowles, #1 Nostradumbass

    “his ex must be a real bitch”

    I usually judge people on this site by how stupid their ideas about basketball are, but now I’ve got new fodder.

  52. Cock Jowles, #1 Nostradumbass

    I’m sorry I have to weigh in here. If Raymond Felton got arrested for gun charges (and is guilty) then it’s his fault.

    It’s his fault for acquiring the gun.
    It’s his fault for not registering it in NY.
    It’s his fault for leaving it in someone else’s possession.
    (and if he did show it to other people – that’s his fault as well).

    Failing to see how this is 100% Felton’s fault is plain ludicrous.

    Ding ding ding ding ding.

    It’s not that hard to get a concealed carry permit in this country. And, barring extreme circumstances like a history of violent, abusive, erratic or otherwise dangerous behavior, there’s really not much of a moral problem with carrying one. It’s easy: keep it in your holster until you absolutely, positively have to use it to defend yourself or others. That’s it.

    I heard this during the Burress case, and it still makes sense now: if you can legally own a firearm and you choose to illegally purchase that same one instead, you are buying it so that you can use it without it being linked back to you.

    So Felton, my fallen prince: you sucked as basketball, you sucked at dieting, and now it looks like you sucked at being a citizen. I shall now pin my hopes on Bargnani being deported for something trivial and non-life-changing (beyond the no-more-basketball thing). Or maybe taking a starting spot on the Heat or Pacers.

  53. Cock Jowles, #1 Nostradumbass

    Let me also say that NYC is a difficult place to be a gun owner, but who fucks with a handgun charge after seeing multiple black athletes totally destroyed by felonies over the last decade? Take your millions, retire, fuck the groupies, and live somewhere that you can be “free.” Or hire a fucking bodyguard for $55k a year for the rest of your life and be the coolest guy in the club.

  54. ephus

    Longtime lurker, occasional poster, but I have a question for ephus, CBA expert!

    Won’t the Knicks just place Felton on paid leave? That appears the smart thing to do until the proceedings play out.

    The Knicks can certainly decide not to play Felton. He can get a DNP-CD every night. Denver just did that for months with Andre Miller.

    “Buying out” a player means what, and how does it affect cap? The player, I take it, agrees to a slightly smaller salary and then is treated as if waived? He can then sign only for the minimum, or can he sign for something larger?

    Buying out is short hand for a two step process. Step one is waiving the player and waiting to see if he clears waivers. If another team claims a player off of waivers, the contract is transferred to the claiming team and the waiving team has no further salary responsibility.

    Step two relates to what happens after a player clears waivers. Absent a “buy out”, the waiving team is responsible for all of his guaranteed salary but the waiving team gets to recoup any salary that the player makes from another team during the remaining term of the waived contract. In a “buy out”, the waiving team agrees to pay the waived player an amount less than the guaranteed salary (usually in a lump sum) and to release its claim on the player’s future wages.

    There is no limit on how much a waived player can get from his new team, so long as he fits into the salary cap. Since teams are at or above the salary cap during the course of the season, a waived player hunts for (1) a team below the salary cap, (2) a team with a trade exception, or (3) a team with an injury exception. Otherwise, the waived player is limited to the league minimum (which varies from rookies (about $490k) to 10+ year vets (about $1.4 million).

    A buyout does not effect cap room. A waived player’s salary stays on the cap, even if he is signed by a new team or accepts a buyout. The salary cap hit, however, can be stretched by the waiving team.

  55. ephus

    Here is how the stretch provision works:

    The waiving team has the option to stretch the salary cap hit as follows:

    1 year remaining on contract = 3 year stretch (1/3 of remaining salary in each year)
    2 years remaining on contract = 5 year stretch (1/5 of remaining aggregate salary in each year)
    3 years remaining on contract = 7 year stretch (1/7 of remaining aggregate salary in each year)

  56. ephus

    According Larry Coon, every contract that provides for a player option explicitly states whether or not the option year is guaranteed in the event that the player is waived before the player has the opportunity to exercise the option. If Felton’s option is not guaranteed, then it is a moot point. If Felton’s option is guaranteed, then there probably would be an arbitration to settle this case of first impression.

  57. Brian Cronin Post author

    They’ve already dropped the second degree criminal possession of a firearm charge. It really sounds like Felton will likely avoid jail time and if so, the Knicks are likely stuck with him going forward.

  58. Kikuchiyo

    My favorite bit in the WSJ account is the detail that Felton’s trial won’t begin until three days before the NBA Finals begin. I guess that means we have Ray through the conference finals, but we’ll have to get Toure up to speed for that last series against OKC.

  59. The Ghost of Ted Nelson

    Somebody around here was saying around the deadline that there was no urgency to unload Felton, and that he could be moved anytime within the next 18 months.

    Oops.

  60. The Ghost of Ted Nelson

    Felton’s trial won’t begin until three days before the NBA Finals begin. I guess that means we have Ray through the conference finals, but we’ll have to get Toure up to speed for that last series against OKC.

    I’m sure a crafty defense attorney could “misplace” a file or two to drag that trial date out, what with the championship on the line!

    (More importantly, we need an acquittal before draft day, to get his trade value up!)

  61. ephus

    There is virtually no way that the trial is going to take place in June. The judge adjourned the entire case until June, but that is merely the next court date. At that time, if the case has not been plea bargained, there will almost certainly be motions filed. I would be shocked by a trial anytime before 2015.

  62. bselig

    A buyout does not effect cap room. A waived player’s salary stays on the cap, even if he is signed by a new team or accepts a buyout.

    This isn’t accurate. The waived player’s salary doesn’t stay on the cap; his buyout amount replaces his former salary amount on the cap sheet. So a buyout does effect cap room–it increases it.

    You can find plenty of applications of this on the ShamSports salary pages. For instance, when Marcus Camby was traded to the Raptors, he was owed $4,383,773 for 2013-14 and $4,177,208 for 2014-15, with the latter year being only $1,025,890 guaranteed. They got him to agree to give up $2m in a buyout. That reduced his impact on their cap to $2,763,054 this year and $646,609 next year.

    I like how Camby ended up making $8m for the 250 atrocious minutes he played last year. I also like how the Knicks had four players shoot under 50% from the free throw line last year (min. 10 attempts): Kurt, .462; KMart, .425; Camby, .421; and Brewer, .410. Oh, to go back to those days…

  63. ephus

    bselig is right. If a player accepts a reduction in guaranteed salary in a buyout, his cap figure is reduced to the amount of the buyout (which can be stretched).

  64. StatsTeacher

    ephus and bselig: thanks !!!

    Watchin’ HOU at SACTO last night, it’s clear, the Knicks need DeMarcus. His flame out/blow up was awesome ! oh and Harden scored 22 points in the first qtr on something like 8 shots lol

  65. Owen

    I don’t think there is any player in the NBA more clearly destined to be a Knick someday than Demarcus Cousins. Maybe Demar Derozan….

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