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Thursday, August 28, 2014

ESPN: How long will Linsanity last for Knicks?

Over at the Mothership, Jared Zwerling, Ethan Sherwood Strauss, Rob Mahoney, David Thrope and I tackled a handful of Lin-related questions for ESPN’s regular 5-on-5 installment.

Can you guess which answer I’m immediately regretting?

79 comments on “ESPN: How long will Linsanity last for Knicks?

  1. Nick C.

    I cannot guess, but, but that was really good reading from all five of you. No blowhardy superficial get my info from ESPN and TNT announcers type comments or efforts at soundbites, just pretty solid insights. I was surprised, real surprised that the other four all were so high on Lin, Lin running the show from here on out and starting. While it is as much an indictment of what was there before, it still is nice to see that you don’t have the starf’er mentality about Davis or Melo. It is apparent that they have watched and seen that Lin can get into the paint and at the same tiome get the ball to teammates where they can be effective, rather than some guys who treat the ball as a hot potato or have the “I can’t do anything you try.” Pretty excited to see how things work with Amare, my guess is on the PnR damn good. I better not see Calderon or DeRozan going uncontested with amare in the picture standign sideways unless we are blowing them out.

  2. Frank

    Anyone hear anything about what LINeup we’re going with tonight? Does Walker stay in the starting lineup? We probably need his supposed 3 point shooting, but putting Jefferies there would make it a pretty strong defensive team.

    Meanwhile how did Toronto end up with such a crappy roster? That team stinks. Calderon is as one-dimensional a player as exists in the league, Derozan is below average, James Johnson sucks, Amir Johnson is ok I guess as a 7th man, and Bargnani would be a good 3rd best player on a good team.

    Anyway, sorry for jinxing us. I am sure we will lose this game now that I just ripped their roster.

  3. Brian Cronin

    nyone hear anything about what LINeup we’re going with tonight? Does Walker stay in the starting lineup? We probably need his supposed 3 point shooting, but putting Jefferies there would make it a pretty strong defensive team.

    I was thinking about that the other day. I, too, hate to lose Jeffries, but I think you pretty much have to stick with a three-point shooter at the 3. Maybe start Novak? Give him a little bit of a reward for his good play? With Amar’e and Chandler at the other frontcourt spots, you’d think that the Knicks would be able to hide Novak. By the way, isn’t it amazing to see how the confidence of the team has risen so far that even Novak is busting his ass on defense and on the boards?!

  4. Frank

    btw don’t look now but if you want some more proof of how much better Tyson Chandler + whoever in the front court is than Amare or Turiaf playing center – we finished last year 26th in defensive rebounding rate.

    So far this year, we are 5th according to Hollinger’s stat page.

    Somehow we are still 21st overall in rebounding but whatever. That and our amazing ability to force turnovers = a jump from 21st–>10th in defensive efficiency.

  5. TDM

    Brian Cronin: By the way, isn’t it amazing to see how the confidence of the team has risen so far that even Novak is busting his ass on defense and on the boards?!

    Totally agree. Lin has increased the play of almost every player o the team (with the exception of Bibby of course). I don’t think it is too much of a stretch to say that Novak is currently the best 3-point shooter in the league. One month ago, that would have been laughable. Lin has become the Knicks glue-guy.

    Getting back to Bibby – can’t he be cut so that the Knicks can add another player? Is MDA holding him for his playoff experience? At this point, Mardy Collins would provide more value at the roster spot.

  6. Brian Cronin

    Totally agree. Lin has increased the play of almost every player o the team (with the exception of Bibby of course). I don’t think it is too much of a stretch to say that Novak is currently the best 3-point shooter in the league. One month ago, that would have been laughable. Lin has become the Knicks glue-guy.

    He’s always been a great shooter, but it was always difficult for teams to hide him on defense so he rarely got burn. Heck, the Mavericks preferred Brian Cardinal to him, for crying out loud! But he is showing a little more feistiness recently. And omigod, that shot! That shot, you guys, that shot! He is so pure.

    Getting back to Bibby – can’t he be cut so that the Knicks can add another player? Is MDA holding him for his playoff experience? At this point, Mardy Collins would provide more value at the roster spot.

    Hopefully _____ will return to being the back-up 1 soon.

  7. Brian Cronin

    By the way, I certainly love my wife and I will happily go out to dinner tonight for Valentine’s Day….but I would be lying if I didn’t say that I really want to see tonight’s game.

  8. Frank

    TDM:
    Getting back to Bibby

    LOL – hopefully one day soon those words will never be seen on Knickerblogger again!

    TDM: I don’t think it is too much of a stretch to say that Novak is currently the best 3-point shooter in the league.

    Dude shot >50% from 3 last year and is a 42.4% career shooter. I think his shooting isn’t that surprising – it’s the fact that he hasn’t been Kapono-like on defense that is the most surprising. Maybe it’s because TC and JJ cover for him, but he hasn’t been overtly terrible on D.

    Berman’s article on Grunwald is a must-read if y’all haven’t already. In basically 2 months, he’s been responsible for signing Tyson Chandler, picking up the reigning EC Player of the Week and starting Linsanity, and signing Novak, who is averaging 19.5 p/36, has a PER of 18, and has a TS of 74%. He HAS to be a strong mid-season candidate for Exec of the Year.

  9. TDM

    Seriously though, if the Knicks miss out on JR Smith, there are still dozens of caliber guys looking to man a spot on our bench. If MDA wants a vet with playoff experience, how about Michael Finley? How about Marcus Banks, Patty Mills, or any other D-leaguer with potential. Hopefully Baron will be back soon and the importance of the roster spot will be diminished. However, I cringe whenever Mini Me’s number gets called.

    Actually, I hear that Verne Troyer has a sweet jumper…

  10. rohank

    Brian Cronin:
    By the way, I certainly love my wife and I will happily go out to dinner tonight for Valentine’s Day….but I would be lying if I didn’t say that I really want to see tonight’s game.

    My gf WANTS to watch the Knicks game together tonight.

    WIN

  11. bockadoo

    Anyone see what Floyd Mayweather said about JLin? Has there ever been a less liked, racist,money grubbing idiot than this guy? What a shame – he’s an amazing fighter, one of the best of all time, but he is an embarrassment. Is there something I’m missing on this guy? Seriously, I’ll stand corrected if he does charity stuff or something like that.

  12. Brian Cronin

    Anyone see what Floyd Mayweather said about JLin? Has there ever been a less liked, racist,money grubbing idiot than this guy? What a shame – he’s an amazing fighter, one of the best of all time, but he is an embarrassment. Is there something I’m missing on this guy? Seriously, I’ll stand corrected if he does charity stuff or something like that.

    My take on it is why give a fame whore more attention? But yeah, his position was so foolish, especially the way he tried to couch it as though he was standing up for the rights of his fellow African-American athletes.

  13. jon abbey

    meanwhile, Lin already had to miss practice yesterday because of a sore ankle. we need to get his minutes back to the 30 range ASAP, Baron still can’t get here soon enough.

  14. Gideon Zaga

    I actually didn’t catch the satire until I reread it after u pointed it out, yeah that was awful.

    Mulligan: Very poor satire in my opinion…

  15. art vandelay

    I can´t believe I am typing this, but that article by Berman was thoughtful, incisive, fair and relatively well-written…probably the best I have read by him (not that that is saying much).

  16. Gideon Zaga

    These kids don’t know what they’re missing.

    jon abbey:
    jazz is the music of 2-3 generations ago, digging current/recent jazz is pure nostalgia.

  17. jon abbey

    Gideon Zaga:
    These kids don’t know what they’re missing.

    man, I love to have this argument, but this is not the place. let’s just say I know enough about jazz to be thanked for my help in Ben Ratliff’s book (a good friend), and my day job is running a record label in the lineage of jazz (among other genres) but actually making music for today, not for two generations ago.

    so, yeah, I know what I’m missing, a genre that is a laughable, embarrassing shell of itself, and one that’s about as relevant in 2012 as Dixieland.

  18. Gideon Zaga

    The Grunwald piece is interesting. I bet he was the one that also called in the favor on Baron in exchange for bringing Jordan out of Europe. Such a great man. I see a new era of our front office.

  19. art vandelay

    I also think Berman was one of those writers, however, who over the years somewhat undermined Grunwald over the years and tried to promote the notion that he was a puppet of Isiah, thereby turning him into a boogey man whom we had to fear rather than respect as a sage basketball mind.

  20. hoolahoop

    So, what type of stories are you guys telling your wives and girlfriends to get to watch tonight’s game instead of going out for dinner?

  21. Brian Cronin

    So, what type of stories are you guys telling your wives and girlfriends to get to watch tonight’s game instead of going out for dinner?

    Hehe, like I said, I’m just biting the bullet and skipping the game (and yes, that is a horribly inaccurate description of Valentine’s Day dinner with my wife).

  22. Degree_Absolute

    Frank: He HAS to be a strong mid-season candidate for Exec of the Year.

    A week ago, I would have said you’re crazy. It is such a great time to be a Knicks fan.

  23. Nick C.

    Brian Cronin: Hehe, like I said, I’m just biting the bullet and skipping the game (and yes, that is a horribly inaccurate description of Valentine’s Day dinner with my wife).

    you better hope she isn’t a stealth follower

  24. rohank

    Brian Cronin: Hehe, like I said, I’m just biting the bullet and skipping the game (and yes, that is a horribly inaccurate description of Valentine’s Day dinner with my wife).

    My gf likes watching Jeremy Lin. Plus she’s anxious to see what will happen when the superstars come back and how they’ll mesh.

  25. jon abbey

    my wife could give a shit about Valentine’s Day and despite being Japanese, she likes Shump Shump more than Lin still, same as me. man, I love her.

  26. hoolahoop

    Okay, so I basically told her I love her a lot and want her to feel loved and appreciated, but I don’t want to be a robotic drone for this phoney commercial holiday designed for the sole purpose of businesses selling valentine’s products. . . . and I’d really like to watch tonight’s knicks game.
    She said, fine watch the game. So, I’ll probably bring her to a restaurant with a big screen with her knowing i won’t be staring in her eyes all night.

  27. Frank

    btw, who would you rather have on your team right now:

    Player A:

    - PER in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 17.9 and 16.9
    - WS/48 in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 0.196 and 0.185
    - ORtg 120, DRtg 111
    - current TS 73.7% on 18% usage
    - Salary 992,000

    Player B

    - PER in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 15.7 and 20
    - WS/48 in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 0.139 and 0.191
    - ORtg 116, DRtg 110
    - Current TS 59.7% on 19.5% usage
    - Salary 10.5 million

    Player A = Steve Novak
    Player B = Danilo Gallinari

  28. rohank

    hoolahoop:
    Okay, so I basically told her I love her a lot and want her to feel loved and appreciated, but I don’t want to be a robotic drone for this phoney commercial holiday designed for the sole purpose of businesses selling valentine’s products.. . .and I’d really like to watch tonight’s knicks game.
    She said, fine watch the game. So, I’ll probably bring her to a restaurant with a big screen with her knowing i won’t be staring in her eyes all night.

    Alternatively, stay home and cook for her, then watch the game.

  29. flossy

    Frank:
    btw, who would you rather have on your team right now:

    Player A:

    - PER in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 17.9 and 16.9
    - WS/48 in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 0.196 and 0.185
    - ORtg 120, DRtg 111
    - current TS 73.7% on 18% usage
    - Salary 992,000

    Player B

    - PER in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 15.7 and 20
    - WS/48 in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 0.139 and 0.191
    - ORtg 116, DRtg 110
    - Current TS 59.7% on 19.5% usage
    - Salary 10.5 million

    Player A = Steve Novak
    Player B = Danilo Gallinari

    You cannot possibly be serious.

    Player A = 10 mpg for his career (13 mpg this season, never more than 16)
    Player B = 31 mpg for his career (never less than 33 since his rookie season)

  30. Frank

    flossy: You cannot possibly be serious.

    Player A = 10 mpg for his career (13 mpg this season, never more than 16)
    Player B = 31 mpg for his career (never less than 33 since his rookie season)

    that’s the obvious answer, but it was a question posed to the “per-minute” stats guys here, who would say that given more time, he would continue to put up these stats.

    Truthfully though – on this team, if Novak can put up a TS of 60 and not be a total zero on defense, he probably deserves to play 20+ min/game. His shooting has been a big part of the 5 game winning streak.

  31. Degree_Absolute

    Frank:
    btw, who would you rather have on your team right now:

    Player A:

    - PER in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 17.9 and 16.9
    - WS/48 in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 0.196 and 0.185
    - ORtg 120, DRtg 111
    - current TS 73.7% on 18% usage
    - Salary 992,000

    Player B

    - PER in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 15.7 and 20
    - WS/48 in 10-11 and 11-12 –> 0.139 and 0.191
    - ORtg 116, DRtg 110
    - Current TS 59.7% on 19.5% usage
    - Salary 10.5 million

    Player A = Steve Novak
    Player B = Danilo Gallinari

    I don’t think this is a serious comparison.

    For all the praise that has been rightly given to Novak over this stretch, I don’t think anyone can say with confidence that he has proven himself to be anything more than a one-dimensional player. Gallo is younger with more upside and is better than Novak in every facet of the game with (possibly) the exception of shooting. Also, despite that fact that he just signed a big deal and I know he will never play in a Knicks uniform again, it is Valentine’s Day and my man-crush for Gallo is as strong as ever.

  32. Frank

    sorry – continued from previous post–

    if we believe that Novak can put up a TS of 60 (his career average) and if you consider salary in with the equation, he might actually be a better fit than Gallo on this team. Gallo’s ability to create is obviously less important on this team with Melo and now Lin being the primary ball handler. There’s no doubt that Novak is the superior shooter is there?

  33. Degree_Absolute

    Frank:
    sorry – continued from previous post–

    if we believe that Novak can put up a TS of 60 (his career average) and if you consider salary in with the equation, he might actually be a better fit than Gallo on this team.Gallo’s ability to create is obviously less important on this team with Melo and now Lin being the primary ball handler.There’s no doubt that Novak is the superior shooter is there?

    From an offensive standpoint, you may be right, but Gallo is a solid defender and rebounder. I don’t think you are taking that into account.

  34. Brian Cronin

    That said, the general idea of “Steve Novak should be part of the rotation and should see more burn than Walker” is certainly a fair observation. One that I absolutely agree with.

  35. chrisk06811

    I bet Walker starts tonight. If Chandler gets in foul trouble, Amare plays center and someone needs to play the 4…..gotta be jeffries or novak. then, when Amare needs a rest, it’s novak at 4 and jeffries at 5. If one of those 2 guys starts at the 3, we’re exposed on bigs, especially if chandler or amare get 2 early, as they have been doing, or if Amare is rusty.

    I’d prefer to see a starting lineup of Lin, shump, Fields, Amare and Chandler. Especially since Tor plays delfino at the 3; Fields can cover him. That’s what I would do. But, Bill Walker doesnt’ have photos of me and/or my brother. That’s the only way this makes sense.

    Actually, starting the year, I thought Walker was a useful player, prone to bad shots / fouls / decisions, but also kinda clutch. Now, the only way he may ever return to that is by playing. And, when he plays, I get horrible stomach pains.

  36. Thomas B.

    @Jim Cavan,

    You are my boy and all, but top 40! Wow that’s love for Lin.

    Now in Lin’s and your defense, his per (25.8) and his Win Share per 48 (.217) justify a ranking that high. I wonder if he can keep that up. But if he can find a way to finish with a win?48 Share over .170, he has then earned a top 40 finish I’d say. Look at the current leaders in WS/48:

    Win Shares Per 48 Minutes
    1. LeBron James-MIA .319
    2. Chris Paul-LAC .270
    3. Kevin Love-MIN .253
    4. Ryan Anderson-ORL .252
    5. Derrick Rose-CHI .252
    6. Tyson Chandler-NYK .248
    7. James Harden-OKC .233
    8. LaMarcus Aldridge-POR .221
    9. Louis Williams-PHI .219
    10. Kevin Durant-OKC .215
    11. Joakim Noah-CHI .209
    12. Thaddeus Young-PHI .206
    13. Nicolas Batum-POR .198
    14. Paul Millsap-UTA .197
    15. Carlos Boozer-CHI .197
    16. Pau Gasol-LAL .195
    17. Danilo Gallinari-DEN .191
    18. Dwight Howard-ORL .188
    19. Marc Gasol-MEM .187
    20. Chris Bosh-MIA .182

    How many of these players would you take over Lin today (excluding cap and salary stuff)?

    Now in terms of PGs, I’d say he is top 15. His ast% is 47.7, which would put him in the top 2 in the NBA behind none other than Steve Nash.

    Assist Pct
    1. Steve Nash-PHO 58.0
    2. Rajon Rondo-BOS 46.8
    3. Jose Calderon-TOR 45.9
    4. Deron Williams-NJN 45.0
    5. Chris Paul-LAC 44.7
    6. Ricky Rubio-MIN 40.2
    7. Tony Parker-SAS 39.9
    8. Derrick Rose-CHI 38.8
    9. Ramon Sessions-CLE 38.8
    10. LeBron James-MIA 35.8

    If he stays at that level, you could be right about him. If he stays at that level.

  37. Frank

    btw – I am no doubt trolling on Gallo here a little bit, but this IS the board where we had a serious discussion a few years back about whether we’d rather have David Lee or Kobe Bryant (with salaries in the consideration).

    Fact is, for this offense Novak gives you the same amount of points/36 (18 vs 19) and more fear from the defense re: 3 point range than Gallo does. Seriously, Gallo is maybe just not that good a shooter – his 3P% has gone 44 –>38–>35–>31 in his 3+ NBA seasons. On defense – sure I hear Gallo has made some defensive strides, but he’s still a very bad rebounder for a 4 (5.7 reb/36 on a fast-paced team) or average rebounder for a 3. And Gallo costs 10x as much right now.

    The reason I wrote the initial post is that I was just looking at Novak’s stats and realizing what an amazing pickup he was for the MINIMUM salary. The guy literally had an EFG >70 last year and has a career TS of 60. If you take out the one bad year he had with the clips in 09-10, he has a career TS of 66.2 over 2041 minutes played with a career 3P% of 44%. The question is obviously his defense, but he hasn’t really been that obviously bad.

    Just looking at him, I sort of wish he would, I don’t know, hit the weight room a little more. He is as soft-looking an NBA player as there is this side of Eddy Curry and Boris Diaw. Since he’ll play most of his minutes as a stretch 4, he really needs to put on about 10 lb of muscle at least.

  38. Brian Cronin

    btw – I am no doubt trolling on Gallo here a little bit,

    The lack of recognition for when people are messing around and./or being sarcastic on the board always amuses me.

  39. Frank

    Brian Cronin: The lack of recognition for when people are messing around and./or being sarcastic on the board always amuses me.

    funny thing is that I was only sort of messing around. looking more closely at Novak’s stats has been a revelation. The guys he is usually compared to, like Kapono and Korver, are vastly inferior to him if you look at their various stats. For instance, Kapono only has a career TS of 53.7 and Korver’s is 57.5 despite the fact that all THEY do is shoot 3′s also.

  40. Brian Cronin

    funny thing is that I was only sort of messing around. looking more closely at Novak’s stats has been a revelation. The guys he is usually compared to, like Kapono and Korver, are vastly inferior to him if you look at their various stats. For instance, Kapono only has a career TS of 53.7 and Korver’s is 57.5 despite the fact that all THEY do is shoot 3?s also.

    Oh no, I understand. You were saying, “Wow, Novak is a really amazing shooter and his TS% are through the roof.” Then you compared them to Gallo as, you know, “trolling” (in the lightest sense of the word).

  41. Frank

    ok – last post in my novak-lovefest but the other “good” thing about his numbers is that he barely EVER gets to the line. He’s only been to the line 51 times in his whole 6 year career (by comparison J-Lin has been to the line 42 times in the last 5 GAMES). What that means to me is that his shot is seriously PURE. I’m always a little wary of guys like Billups and Gallo who really use their foul-shooting volume to pump up their shooting statistics — in my mind that makes them way too reliant on the refs, who tend to swallow their whistles in the playoffs and in crunch time. For example, Gallo averaged a ridiculous 8.4 FT/36 with Denver last season, but only managed 21 FTA in 5 games in the playoffs in a very small sample. But Novak – he earns that TS of 70+ the last 2 years with actual made shots (his TS is 71.5 combining the 10-11 and 11-12 seasons).

  42. villainx

    @50, that’s an interesting take on foul shooting.

    I can’t say I agree. But as it stands for Novak, or strict outside shooters, it’s perhaps a good indicator about the players ability to get free, or find space.

  43. Brian Cronin

    Billups’ TS% have always remained high during the playoffs (well, at least relative to his regular season totals, at least – his TS% went up as his career went on), so I don’t know if those five games for Gallo last season (where he did have a 56% TS) are necessarily proof that guys like that don’t see their TS% hold up in the playoffs.

    That said, sure, I am totally on board on the love for Novak’s shot. Like I said earlier today, “That shot, you guys, that shot! Omigod, you guys, that shot! So pure!”

  44. PC

    You guys made a Shump t-shirt after he had about 4 good games. Lin – t-shirt? Let’s make this happen so I can buy it.

  45. villainx

    @53, considering Shumps progress, maybe it can wait a little before the tshirt curse is laid on Lin.

  46. JK47

    I wonder how that Lin-Amar’e pick-and-roll is looking in practice. I want to see 10+ assists from Lin and 30+ points from Amar’e tonight.

  47. Brian Cronin

    I wonder how that Lin-Amar’e pick-and-roll is looking in practice. I want to see 10+ assists from Lin and 30+ points from Amar’e tonight.

    I’m okay with 9 and 20.

    Of course, in my scenario, Lin and Amar’e will sit most of the third and all of the fourth with the Knicks up 30.

  48. max fisher-cohen

    I’m curious, Jim, did you anticipate coming off as the optimist of the group? They should have been more clear on the question about where Lin ranks… Something along the lines of if he continues to play as effectively as he has, where will he rank?

  49. d-mar

    This has to be the most fun (for now) that D’Antoni’s had since taking the Knick job. His biggest challenge today is to figure out how to incorporate 2 scoring machines into an offense that’s already running pretty smoothly. Prior to Lin, it was trying to figure out how to run an offense without a PG, and using Melo as a point forward was really for a lack of any better options.

  50. JK47

    Check out where the Knicks rank this year vs last year in the Four Factors on defense:

    eFG%
    2011: 23rd
    2012: 19th (and rapidly rising)

    TOV%
    2011: 9th
    2012: 2nd

    DRB%
    2011: 26th
    2012: 5th

    FT/FGA
    2011: 23rd
    2012: 24th

    The difference in defensive rebounding is just massive, and is a powerful argument for the awesomeness of Tyson Chandler. Not only does he grab lots of rebounds himself, he’s excellent at tapping the ball out to teammates when he can’t get his hands on the ball. He singlehandedly fixed an enormous team weakness.

  51. Frank

    Brian Cronin:
    Yeah, Chandler really is amazing. I love him greatly. I think I should send him a Valentine. I bet he would really appreciate it.

    He is SERIOUSLY not getting enough love from the press. Seriously, Roy Hibbert over him for the ASG? Not that I care as a fan (I’d rather him get the days off) but I would feel seriously under-appreciated if I were him.

  52. Brian Cronin

    Agreed. What gets me is that on the one hand, his lack of props from the media and some fans is, in general, an indictment of the obsession with points per game in the media and among fans. However, Hibbert is only averaging 13 and 10!! Chandler is averaging 12 and 10!

    I mean, yeah, the Hibbert thing is more because Indiana “had” to have an All Star, but still, really irritating.

  53. Gamecockerbocker

    Is this for real? “Ben Tomkins- Do you think Kobe or Lebron feel threaten? Floyd Mayweather- As soon as they come off vacation, They’re going to cook that little yellow chump. They ain’t worried about that.”http://nbasportsnews.com/floyd-mayweather-accused-jeremy-lin-of-steroid-use/ I’m hoping this is another one of those “poor satires” or something like that. Floyd isn’t this crazy is he? Never been on that website before, so I don’t know how reputable it is.

  54. Gamecockerbocker

    Gamecockerbocker:
    Is this for real? “Ben Tomkins- Do you think Kobe or Lebron feel threaten? Floyd Mayweather- As soon as they come off vacation, They’re going to cook that little yellow chump. They ain’t worried about that.”http://nbasportsnews.com/floyd-mayweather-accused-jeremy-lin-of-steroid-use/ I’m hoping this is another one of those “poor satires” or something like that. Floyd isn’t this crazy is he? Never been on that website before, so I don’t know how reputable it is.

    http://nbasportsnews.com/floyd-mayweather-accused-jeremy-lin-of-steroid-use/ I don’t know why the link didn’t work in the original post.

  55. Brian Cronin

    It is satire, although it is satire that is adapting comments Mayweather made about Manny Pacquiao and adapting them into racial insults of Lin. So while he did not say these things about Lin, he has said some pretty awful, racist stuff. His Lin comments have been, while fairly racist, much tamer.

    I am impressed with myself that I spelled Pacquiao correctly without checking.

  56. Gamecockerbocker

    Brian Cronin:
    It is satire, although it is satire that is adapting comments Mayweather made about Manny Pacquiao and adapting them into racial insults of Lin. So while he did not say these things about Lin, he has said some pretty awful, racist stuff. His Lin comments have been, while fairly racist, much tamer.

    I am impressed with myself that I spelled Pacquiao correctly without checking.

    That’s what I figured… People need to get better at writing satire I guess. Pretty sure there’s another comment earlier in the thread about another bad one. Also, I can’t even spell his name right without checking multiple times.

  57. JK47

    I can’t wait to get Jorts back. What a find that guy turned out to be. Great defensive rebounder, good enough jump shot to keep defenses honest, incredible motor and great effort overall on defense. The only rookies who have a higher WS/48 than Jorts and who have played at least as many minutes are Nikola Vucevic, Jon Leuer, Kyrie Irving and Kawhi Leonard.

  58. Brian Cronin

    I was really impressed with Jorts. My only concern with Jorts is that with Jeffries playing well and Novak establishing himself, where does Jorts get his minutes? More rest for Chandler?

  59. Gamecockerbocker

    Brian Cronin:
    I was really impressed with Jorts. My only concern with Jorts is that with Jeffries playing well and Novak establishing himself, where does Jorts get his minutes? More rest for Chandler?

    This is just completely off the top of my head so if it turns out to be realistically impossible for this lineup to be on the floor for extended periods of time, I get it.
    How great would a Lin, Shump, Novak, Jeffries, Jorts lineup be during games where Stat and Chandler are in foul trouble or we need to rest the stars in the middle of 3 games in 4 days stretches.
    Lin and Jeffries PnR, Shump slashing and Novak and Jorts knocking down kick-out threes.
    Again, I don’t know how likely that lineup is going forward, but Stat and Chandler do get in foul trouble at the same time sometimes and Melo can’t play 48 minutes a game.

  60. chrisk06811

    I guess the jorts thing depends on if he can hit open 3′s. if he can, he covers a little of what Novak brings, plus skills novak does not.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing novak get minutes at the 3 when jorts gets back…so your 4 guys off the bench would be shump, novak, jeffries and jorts. but, if novak plays the 3, you need chandler in the game for when guys drive by him.

    I don’t see a reason why when you are at full health, novak or jorts would get more than 15 mins in a game, and jeffries 25.

    Novak vs Gallo….not worth the discussion. Novak don’t speak Italian, nor does he have a cool mole on his face. Gallo boosts the linguistic percentages and mole ratios.

  61. massive

    villainx:
    Time sure do change, now we are looking forward to a PnR tandem with Jeffries.

    Was the first Jared Jeffries dunk last week off that P&R?

  62. Thomas B.

    Brian Cronin:

    It is satire, although it is satire that is adapting comments Mayweather made about Manny Pacquiao and adapting them into racial insults of Lin. So while he did not say these things about Lin, he has said some pretty awful, racist stuff. His Lin comments have been, while fairly racist, much tamer.

    I am impressed with myself that I spelled Pacquiao correctly without checking.

    I did not think Mayweather’s comments were racisit. It is not racist to acknowledge that a person has or race. Nor is it racist to offer that a person may get some percieved advantage from others based on race. Mayweather seems to think that part of the Lin sensation is that he is a Asian-American player. I think that is true. A bigger part of it is the out of nowhere undrafted twice waived little player that could. When Brandon Jennings dropped 50 as a rookie people made a big deal, but if Brandon Jennings was an undrafted 2nd year player rather than a top 10 pick, they would have made a bigger deal.

    The media making a big deal about Lin because he isnt like the other players is no different than the media loving Earl Boykins and Mugsy Bouges. The guys that defy the mould we have come to expect. So i do not fully agree with Mayweather for saying that Lin is getting more attention due to his Asian-American background. There are a host of contributing factors, not the least of which is the fact that he plays in NYC.

    But I do not think Mayweather’s tweets are racist.

  63. massive

    His tweets weren’t necessarily racist, but they were misinformed and come across as ignorant. No basketball player has averaged 25 and 8 in their first four starts, leading their team to four straight victories. The guy was cut from 2 teams prior, was almost cut again for JR Smith, almost traded for Anthony Carter, and quite possibly saved Mike D’Antoni’s job. He also revitalized an entire fanbase’s outlook on the team’s current and future direction. So while a significant part of the Jeremy Lin hype train is due to him being an Asian-American, he’s also well deserving of the hype.

  64. Jim Cavan Post author

    Thomas B.: You are my boy and all, but top 40! Wow that’s love for Lin.

    Yeah, went way out on a limb for that one. Surprised I haven’t gotten more flak than I have, honestly. But I think it’s possible.

    max fisher-cohen: I’m curious, Jim, did you anticipate coming off as the optimist of the group? They should have been more clear on the question about where Lin ranks… Something along the lines of if he continues to play as effectively as he has, where will he rank?

    It’s not that it was worded vaguely, so much that it’s just nearly impossible to guess, at this point. Which is part of the reason why you had such wildly varying answers.

  65. Doug

    Thomas B.: I did not think Mayweather’s comments were racisit.It is not racist to acknowledge that a person has or race. Nor is it racist to offer that a person may get some percieved advantage from others based on race.Mayweather seems to think that part of the Lin sensation is that he is a Asian-American player.I think that is true.A bigger part of it is the out of nowhere undrafted twice waived little player that could.When Brandon Jennings dropped 50 as a rookie people made a big deal, but if Brandon Jennings was an undrafted 2nd year player rather than a top 10 pick, they would have made a bigger deal.

    The media making a big deal about Lin because he isnt like the other players is no different than the media loving Earl Boykins and Mugsy Bouges.The guys that defy the mould we have come to expect.So i do not fully agree with Mayweather for saying that Lin is getting more attention due to his Asian-American background.There are a host of contributing factors, not the least of which is the fact that he plays in NYC.

    But I do not think Mayweather’s tweets are racist.

    I found Mayweather’s tweets to be SUPER racist. He was saying the equivalent of “Why isn’t there a WHITE history month?”

  66. jon abbey

    Thomas B, he wasn’t “acknowledging that Lin has a race”, he was refusing to accept his accomplishments because of Lin’s race. as massive said, Lin scored the most four points EVER BY ANYONE in his first four NBA starts, blowing away the previous leaders in Iverson, Shaq and Jordan. that’s big news if it’s done by Joe Smith from Compton for Sacramento.

    so that’s racist, not that I especially care, but it’s just as ignorant as Ashton Kutcher complaining on Twitter about Joe Paterno being fired because of football reasons (he somehow thought).

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