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Thursday, September 18, 2014

ESPN 5 on 5: Knicks-Heat, Game 2

We had so much fun talking ‘Bockers-’Eat for Game 1, we decided to do it again!

In other, somewhat breaking news, Tyson — who “has been eating” for the first time in like five days — will start tonight, as will Baron Davis (sore back) and Landry Fields, who re-replaces Iman Shumpert at shooting guard.

Also, it’s apparently storming down in Miami, which clearly means the Gods hate the Heat and will hand us this game. That’s how this shit works.

Anyway, check out the 5-on-5, and let me know if you think I’m bat-guano-crazy.

41 comments on “ESPN 5 on 5: Knicks-Heat, Game 2

  1. Will the Thrill

    4 NBA players from other teams tweeted about the officiating of Game 1 haha wow at least we weren’t the only ones to see it.

  2. Brian Cronin

    4 NBA players from other teams tweeted about the officiating of Game 1 haha wow at least we weren’t the only ones to see it.

    Which four players?

  3. Will the Thrill

    Gary Neal, Klay Thompson, Rudy Gay, and Patrick Patterson. (some were vague but obviously had to do with the game and the refs)

    Brian Cronin: Which four players?

  4. Spree8nyk8

    Azaz ? @AzazNYK

    “NBA Ref trends:Joey Crawford has called a #TECH in 20 out of his last 24 Ref’d playoff games (Team that gets called 1st 1-19) Joey #Fixer”

  5. Will the Thrill

    That is just insane.

    Spree8nyk8:
    Azaz ? @AzazNYK

    “NBA Ref trends:Joey Crawford has called a #TECH in 20 out of his last 24 Ref’d playoff games (Team that gets called 1st 1-19) Joey #Fixer”

  6. Frank

    I’m sure this has been discussed ad nauseam in earlier threads that I couldn’t bear to be a part of, but does anyone here think Lebron is WAY too good to be such a flopper? That one on the “flagrant” should be front and center for the league cracking down on flopping. Call an illegal screen / offensive foul, but then call a 2 shot foul on Lebron for bad acting, which can be enforced after replays even later in the game. That’ll stop the most egregious flopping immediately.

    Unfortunately I think we will need to go back to Melo playing point forward. Like someone said on the 5-on-5, it’s tough to front the guy bringing up the ball. They may double him in the backcourt to get it out of his hands, but that’ll throw off their defense when Melo passes out of it. Or how about dribble handoffs, screens, etc.? I was a little unimpressed with Woodson this game.

    I think we need to run the JR+Novak lineup out there as much as possible, but JR cannot play PG in this series. His handle is way too suspect and they are just attacking him whenever he dribbles.

  7. ruruland

    Frank:
    I’m sure this has been discussed ad nauseam in earlier threads that I couldn’t bear to be a part of, but does anyone here think Lebron is WAY too good to be such a flopper?That one on the “flagrant” should be front and center for the league cracking down on flopping. Call an illegal screen / offensive foul, but then call a 2 shot foul on Lebron for bad acting, which can be enforced after replays even later in the game.That’ll stop the most egregious flopping immediately.

    It’s despicable.

  8. Frank

    Also I think we need to see more Bibby, as awful as it sounds for our team defense. Low TOs and a 3 point threat are what we need from that position now.

  9. BigBlueAL

    “Also, it’s apparently storming down in Miami, which clearly means the Gods hate the Heat and will hand us this game. That’s how this shit works.”

    It has been raining almost non-stop since Saturday night and is supposed to continue to do so for another couple of days. Currently it looks like its night time outside already its that ugly lol

    There is your gameday weather report :-)

  10. johnlocke

    We’ll have to make sure we’re that much accurate with the passes given the wind conditions!

    BigBlueAL:
    “Also, it’s apparently storming down in Miami, which clearly means the Gods hate the Heat and will hand us this game. That’s how this shit works.”

    It has been raining almost non-stop since Saturday night and is supposed to continue to do so for another couple of days.Currently it looks like its night time outside already its that ugly lol

    There is your gameday weather report :-)

  11. Eternal OptiKnist

    Frank: Also I think we need to see more Bibby, as awful as it sounds for our team defense. Low TOs and a 3 point threat are what we need from that position now.

    You didn’t hear anything about it after the game as there were substantially bigger fish to fry, but bibby looked hobbled at one point during the game; is he dealing with anything new, or is it just part of the everyday life of a corpse?

  12. Owen

    A good flop can win you a game, but yeah, Lebron, now that he is not a Knick, despicable works…

    Everyone near a tv with 45 minutes free should check out the second half of Man City-Man U. Regular season game that should decide the premier league. Over a billion watching worldwide.

    Man City just took the lead at the end of the first half. Should be an amazing second half….

  13. ruruland

    Owen:
    A good flop can win you a game, but yeah, Lebron, now that he is not a Knick, despicable works…

    Everyone near a tv with 45 minutes free should check out the second half of Man City-Man U. Regular season game that should decide the premier league. Over a billion watching worldwide.

    Man City just took the lead at the end of the first half. Should be an amazing second half….

    Most great players aren’t floppers.

  14. Eternal OptiKnist

    Whn i look at it objectively the Lebron flops were genius…thats how we characterize it when Ginobli does it. When you look at the Chandler foul, its laughably delayed. But Lebron personally sent the Knicks over the edge; he took advantage of the rules in place. My beef is with the refs…they made some REALLY bad calls. They didn’t cost us the game, but they were a big part in us losing our cool/focus.

  15. Eternal OptiKnist

    Dan Panorama: In good/awful news, at least trading Jordan Hill is looking better by the second.

    I saw that, but when you consider that Kobe committed anal rape, Hill should be a hall of famer…

  16. Frank

    Eternal OptiKnist:
    Whn i look at it objectively the Lebron flops were genius…thats how we characterize it when Ginobli does it.When you look at the Chandler foul, its laughably delayed.But Lebron personally sent the Knicks over the edge; he took advantage of the rules in place.My beef is with the refs…they made some REALLY bad calls.They didn’t cost us the game, but they were a big part in us losing our cool/focus.

    I don’t really blame the refs because for the most part they are trying as hard as they can to police these thoroughbreds, but certainly these things can be picked out in retrospect. I really think that there should be a “replay official” like there is in football. It was obvious 60 seconds after the flop-o-rama that “The King” did an awful flop job. That guy should be able to make that call. Sure it’s one guy’s subjective opinion, but he has lots of time + replay to back his opinion up (and not like all fouls, techs, etc. aren’t totally one guy’s subjective opinion anyway).

    Seriously – the really egregious flops should be a 2 shot foul. That will end it right there. I’m totally there with JVG – it demeans the game and makes the officials look like gullible idiots, which further decreases the game’s credibility.

  17. Eternal OptiKnist

    @22, i totally agree, i know the refs have a tough job to do but there just seemed like an endless string of really marginal contact calls that sent us off the deep end…perhaps, they meant to call a tight game and if we were agressive getting into the paint, we would have gotten the benefit of those calls as well. I dunno, call it sour grapes, but there seemed to be an agenda. The big Lebron flop didn’t look nearly as phantom-punch-y as it did in slow mo, so I’m not sure that one call is even what i’m complaining about. JVG is right, they ought to consider getting the flopping out of the game. Kind of like the rip-through call…you havent seen it much this year, have ya??

  18. ephus

    In my (admittedly biased) opinion, the biggest problem with the officials was at the Knicks’ offensive end.

    1. Lebron and Battier were not called for a single foul for their jousting with ‘Melo when he tried to establish position in the post. As much as people have been attacking Woodson for failing to have Plan B for feeding ‘Melo, the Heat’s defense was predicated on the refs allowing extremely physical play on ‘Melo. If the Knicks got the same calls that the Heat were during the second quarter, Melo goes to the free throw line at least three times and LBJ is in foul trouble.

    2. The refs waived off FOUR Knicks baskets on shaky charge calls. If you simply give the Knicks those 8 points, they would have survived the Heat onslaught. If the refs had actually given the Knicks the continuation, it could easily have been 10 extra points.

    I never have a problem with the refs if they call the game the same way at both ends. But when they allow one team to play extremely physical defense and the other team is whistled for any contact, it is a recipe for disaster.

  19. nicos

    ephus:
    In my (admittedly biased) opinion, the biggest problem with the officials was at the Knicks’ offensive end.

    1.Lebron and Battier were not called for a single foul for their jousting with ‘Melo when he tried to establish position in the post.As much as people have been attacking Woodson for failing to have Plan B for feeding ‘Melo, the Heat’s defense was predicated on the refs allowing extremely physical play on ‘Melo.If the Knicks got the same calls that the Heat were during the second quarter, Melo goes to the free throw line at least three times and LBJ is in foul trouble.

    2.The refs waived off FOUR Knicks baskets on shaky charge calls.If you simply give the Knicks those 8 points, they would have survived the Heat onslaught.If the refs had actually given the Knicks the continuation, it could easily have been 10 extra points.

    I never have a problem with the refs if they call the game the same way at both ends.But when they allow one team to play extremely physical defense and the other team is whistled for any contact, it is a recipe for disaster.

    Definitely agree that Melo should have gotten some calls given how physically he was being guarded and how the quick the whistle was at the other end of the floor. And Melo’s T was also ridiculous. That said, all of the charges were good calls with the possible exception of Amar’e’s though I think that was a charge as well. And while LBJ certainly exaggerated on the flagrant, that was still an obvious foul by Chandler and would have been called in most games regardless of whether LBJ flopped or not. The refs sucked but so did the Knicks- hopefully we’ll see a much better effort tonight.

  20. Z

    I don’t think LeBron was acting on the chandler hit. I think he wasn’t expecting contact and over reacted like a little kid does, but I don’t think he intentionally wobbled around like a woozy McNeely just to get a foul called. It was, after all, a foul on chandler. It just wasn’t a flagrant. That’s my beef with it. The refs see LeBron fall like that and they assume Chandler must have intended to hurt him. It’s an added advantage for a player that shouldn’t need any additional advantage.

  21. 2FOR18

    The only LeFlop that bothered me was the one where melo pushed him a little while guarding him and LeFlop went flying. If he pulled that at w. 4th st. he’d get laughed off the court.
    The one in the corner with JR happens all the time, and the one where Chandler ran into him was a legit foul, though calling it a flagrant was ridiculous.

  22. yellowboy90

    2FOR18:
    The only LeFlop that bothered me was the one where melo pushed him a little while guarding him and LeFlop went flying.If he pulled that at w. 4th st. he’d get laughed off the court.
    The one in the corner with JR happens all the time, and the one where Chandler ran into him was a legit foul, though calling it a flagrant was ridiculous.

    Funny thing is that it had to be reduce to just a flagrant. Who gets ejected for setting a hard screen?

  23. Bruno Almeida

    my god, anyone saw the Brooklyn Nets new logo?

    it’s absolutely horrible, as ugly as can be.

  24. Brian Cronin

    my god, anyone saw the Brooklyn Nets new logo?

    it’s absolutely horrible, as ugly as can be.

    Yeah, I was talking about it in the other thread. I don’t mind black and white as the team colors, but a black and white drawing? That is just plain ol’ weird.

    And obviously Lopez has to be the face of the Nets since D-Will is leaving. Lopez also made closing remarks in the Nets’ last game.

    By the way, Gerald Wallace opting out and becoming a free agent is hilarious. What an awful trade.

  25. Bruno Almeida

    Brian Cronin: Yeah, I was talking about it in the other thread. I don’t mind black and white as the team colors, but a black and white drawing? That is just plain ol’ weird.

    And obviously Lopez has to be the face of the Nets since D-Will is leaving. Lopez also made closing remarks in the Nets’ last game.

    By the way, Gerald Wallace opting out and becoming a free agent is hilarious. What an awful trade.

    yeah, they really are a mess, how were they hoping to draw Dwight Howard when they can’t keep their own players?

  26. Brian Cronin

    I really can’t believe they chose Wallace over Paul Pierce. Yes, Paul Pierce is old but:

    A. He is still good,

    B. He is better than Wallace despite the age difference

    and, more importantly…

    C. He is under contract for next year!

    Who trades a high draft pick in a stocked draft for a player who can opt out and leave a month after the trade?!?!

  27. Brian Cronin

    Man, just thinking about the other team in New York makes me feel a whole lot better about the Knicks. At least the Knicks will have legitimately very good players like Melo and Chandler and Lin (and sometimes Amar’e) to start next year even if they lose JR and Novak.

  28. 2FOR18

    This is why we can trick the Nets into a sign and trade of Amare and Lin for Deron and Humphries. Then we can destroy the league next year.
    Imagine the Nets having a starting front court that averages a combined 14 boards a game.

  29. Frank O.

    I am so disappointed that we are undermanned.
    These guys have played through so much adversity this year.

  30. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Chandler left his feet for the LeBron hit. I don’t think he was acting when he went to the ground (whiplash sucks, as anyone who’s ever played tackle football, rugby, or judo knows for a fact), but even if that’s the case, he certainly milked it.

  31. daJudge

    Hi guys. Just got back from Montreal, where I watched the execution at a soccer bar of some sort. I hope it’s OK to post links on this site, but I read a great article on Shump’s awful injury. Here it is:

    http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/4/30/2987683/what-an-acl-repair-will-mean-for-shumperts-career-some-positive-news

    I probably didn’t even post it correctly. Anyway, it is somewhat optimistic. As bad as the game was, if feel so much worse for Shump.

    Ruru, I thought the Grantland piece made sense. I can’t say that I figured that out while I ws watching the game.

    HCJ-I agree that LeBron was not faking that whiplash injury. Perhaps he milked it, but that kind of injury is pretty scary and freaky, speaking as one with C3-C5 fusion. Ouch.

  32. d-mar

    I am SHOCKED how dead this board is, I know we don’t have much of a chance, but this is the PLAYOFFS! Where is everyone?

  33. Owen

    My wife demanded my presence tonight, this is my only post.

    Go Knicks!!!!!

    And screw Lebron James and his ridiculous ability to meet a ball in the air and deflect it into the basket amidst two defenders….

    That dude = good

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