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Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Dwight Howard Trade Complaint Thread

Reports indicate that the Orlando Magic are preparing to trade disgruntled center Dwight Howard to the Los Angeles Lakers for three future middle-to-late first round picks (the Lakers pick is likely 2017, the Sixers 2015), Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Nikola Vucevic and Sixer rookie Moe Harkless.

You did not misread the above sentence. That is what they are getting for Dwight freakin’ Howard.

The Lakers get Howard and give up Andrew Bynum and a first rounder. The Sixers get Bynum and Jason Richardson and give up Vucevic, Harkless, a first rounder and Iggy. The Nuggets get Iggy and give up Harrington, Afflalo and a first rounder).

Commence complaining.

EDITED TO ADD: It looks like Orlando gets to shed Earl Clark and Chris Duhon to Los Angeles for a couple of second-rounders. That does improve the trade for Orlando, but not by a lot.

68 comments on “Dwight Howard Trade Complaint Thread

  1. BigBlueAL

    Apparently though the Lakers also have to get Duhon and Earl Clark in the trade plus give up 2nd round picks. Suckers!!

  2. DS

    Good for the Knicks?

    East Conf. gets: Andrew Bynum, Jason Richardson, Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Nikola Vucevic, Moe Harkless

    West Conf. gets: Iguodala and Dwight Howard.

  3. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Lateral move for the Magic. Bynum’s two years younger. If anyone won this trade, it’s the Nuggets.

  4. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    For the Lakers, I meant. Fuck, not the Magic. The Magic are gunning for the #1 pick.

  5. DS

    Turkoglu’s gotta be left of the report by accident, right? They have to hang him on Denver or L.A.

  6. massive

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    Lateral move for the Magic. Bynum’s two years younger. If anyone won this trade, it’s the Nuggets.

    You really think D12 (who won 3 of the past 4 DPOYs) for Bynum is a lateral move. Dwight Howard had an off-year, and still led the league in rebounding. I’m not sure how you can call trading Bynum for a top 5 NBA player a lateral move. The Lakers added the league’s best offensive and defensive players in free agency.

    But yes, Denver got the most bang for their buck.

  7. Brian Cronin

    Denver might have gotten a lot of bang for their buck, but I dunno, I don’t see why they couldn’t just get Bynum for themselves. Bynum is a lot better than Iggy and Bynum would give Denver a go-to scorer that other teams can’t really stop. Iggy improves their team, certainly, but if I were Denver, knowing that Bynum was out there for the taking would irk me that I “just” got Iggy.

  8. Loathing

    Brian Cronin:
    Denver might have gotten a lot of bang for their buck, but I dunno, I don’t see why they couldn’t just get Bynum for themselves. Bynum is a lot better than Iggy and Bynum would give Denver a go-to scorer that other teams can’t really stop. Iggy improves their team, certainly, but if I were Denver, knowing that Bynum was out there for the taking would irk me that I “just” got Iggy.

    Because the Lakers would never send Bynum to a rival WC contender.

  9. massive

    Brian Cronin:
    Denver might have gotten a lot of bang for their buck, but I dunno, I don’t see why they couldn’t just get Bynum for themselves. Bynum is a lot better than Iggy and Bynum would give Denver a go-to scorer that other teams can’t really stop. Iggy improves their team, certainly, but if I were Denver, knowing that Bynum was out there for the taking would irk me that I “just” got Iggy.

    Yeah, especially considering that he would have to play the 2 instead of the 3. I don’t know if LA trades Bynum to the Nuggets, or how that affects the whole 1st round pick situation (they needed Philly’s pick). And how could any fan rationalize being upset when your team gives up Afflalo and Harrington to receive an Andre Iguodala?

  10. Brian Cronin

    That is so weird. I thought that I had mentioned my concern with Iggy adjusting to playing the 2 again after being a 3 for the last few years (and excelling at the 3) but I guess I forgot to say it.

    But yeah, that is a concern I have, as well.

    AS for the Lakers trading to a rival, they were willing to deal Bynum to Houston, why not Denver?

  11. massive

    WP/48 loves Denver’s starting 5 of Lawson, Iggy, Gallo, Faried, and McGee. I think we’ll finally see how good the Berri metric is this year.

  12. Brian Cronin

    It does make room for CHandler to play more.

    Lawson/Miller
    Iggy/Brewer
    Gallo/Chandler
    Faried/Randolph
    McGee/Mozgov

    That is a deeeeeep team.

    And a better defensive team than they were before the trade.

  13. DS

    Brian Cronin: Denver might have gotten a lot of bang for their buck, but I dunno, I don’t see why they couldn’t just get Bynum for themselves. Bynum is a lot better than Iggy and Bynum would give Denver a go-to scorer that other teams can’t really stop. Iggy improves their team, certainly, but if I were Denver, knowing that Bynum was out there for the taking would irk me that I “just” got Iggy.

    I think teams are nervous that Bynum won’t re-sign a la Dwight and ‘Melo. Meanwhile, if Bynum is from South Jersey and gets to be the clear focal point of a playoff team. Denver didn’t have that luxury… I think Iggy for Al is a pretty tidy gain; shorter contract, much better player.

  14. ephus

    Lakers tax bill is going to be enormous next year. Kobe ($30), Pau ($19), D12 ($21), Nash ($9), MWP ($7.7), Jordan Hill ($3.5) and Blake ($4) plus minimum contracts take the Lakers to $20 million over next year’s projected tax line, which would mean a $45 million tax bill. The extra tax will reduce the Lakers revenue sharing bill by $13.5 million, so the marginal tax ends up being around $31.5 million. Amnesty to MWP would save over $18 million in tax.

    The Lakers will be under pressure to get below the luxury tax line for 2014-15, or else face the repeater tax rates, which are 100% higher.

  15. DS

    Sorry I hit “submit” too quickly before, but basically; (1) Bynum will be a FA soon (Philly thinks they can re-sign him) (2) I doubt Denver could re-sign him (3) Nuggets get Iguodala AND sheds $43 MILLION of guaranteed contracts.

  16. ephus

    Love the trade for the Lakers, the Nuggets and the Sixers. I am scratching my head at the Magic. They get to ditch J. Richardson, Chris Duhon and Earl Clark, but not Hedo. The first round pick from Philly cannot be earlier than 2015. The first round pick from the Lakers cannot be earlier than 2017.

  17. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Oh, sorry: $30.5 next year. Still! A 35-year-old who is an average shooter!

  18. ruruland

    Brian Cronin:
    It does make room for CHandler to play more.

    Lawson/Miller
    Iggy/Brewer
    Gallo/Chandler
    Faried/Randolph
    McGee/Mozgov

    That is a deeeeeep team.

    And a better defensive team than they were before the trade.

    If there’s an alley-oop record, they’ll break it. Perfect George Karl team. More athletic than OKC and Miami…

    And if you just looked at vertical leap and straight-line speed, they might be one of the most athletic ever. Gallo is a good athlete and he’s clearly inferior to the other 4 starters.

  19. Brian Cronin

    So you like the trade for Denver? Do you think Iggy can adjust to playing the 2 well? And who will replace the scoring they actually had to rely on from Harrington last year? I presume a healthy Gallo will ease a lot of the scoring needs, but I dunno if Iggy is a guy you want taking a lot of shots.

  20. ruruland

    massive:
    WP/48 loves Denver’s starting 5 of Lawson, Iggy, Gallo, Faried, and McGee. I think we’ll finally see how good the Berri metric is this year.

    They’ll be really good in the regular season.

  21. ruruland

    Brian Cronin:
    So you like the trade for Denver? Do you think Iggy can adjust to playing the 2 well? And who will replace the scoring they actually had to rely on from Harrington last year? I presume a healthy Gallo will ease a lot of the scoring needs, but I dunno if Iggy is a guy you want taking a lot of shots.

    Afflalo is a stud and is actually one of the most impressive, well-rounded offensive players in the game. He’s incredibly effective off the ball and in the last two years has developed a post-up and isolation game. Things he was not very effective at earlier in his career. He’s one of the hardest workers in sports.

    I think you’ll see him score 18-20 ppg in Orlando, obviously on significantly increased usage…

    On the flip side though, he’s always been an extremely overrated defender.

    One of the Nuggets offensive weaknesses last season was spot-up shooting, as they were actually worse than the Knicks last year.

    So, they’ve downgraded there. But they will be so devastating in transition and semi-transition it won’t matter until the game slows down.

    They won’t be great defensively, but you’ll likely see Karl go back to his heavy trapping principles to utilize the incredible athleticism.

    So, I could easily see them leading the league in steals and blocks. They should be a solid rebounding team, which will help their transition game.

    They’ve improved, and I think they’ll be the most entertaining team in the NBA.

  22. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, with Gallo’s outside shot going to the crapper last season, they really don’t have a single outstanding outside shooter on the whole team, do they?

    But yeah, holy shit, will they be exciting to watch. With such a deep, running team, they literally will be able to run most teams in the NBA off the court. I think they are a legit #6 seed right now with a chance to move up as high as #4.

    The three top teams in the West are close to a lock right now – Lakers, OKC and Spurs (even the Spurs are not a lock, of course). The Clippers improved, as did Memphis.

    I think Denver is probably still “just” the #6 seed in a stacked West. Hopefully for them they get San Antonio in the first round.

  23. ruruland

    Brian Cronin:
    So you like the trade for Denver? Do you think Iggy can adjust to playing the 2 well? And who will replace the scoring they actually had to rely on from Harrington last year? I presume a healthy Gallo will ease a lot of the scoring needs, but I dunno if Iggy is a guy you want taking a lot of shots.

    Harrington and Miller were their most reliable half-court players last season, which is why they often played down the stretch while Lawson and Gallo sat.

    Now, I think something happened in the Lakers series with Ty Lawson, and he may have turned the corner in terms of understanding how to dominate a game instead of picking his spots.

    If Lawson and McGee develop into the players they’re cpapable of, the Nuggets could be an extremely scary team in the post-season. I don’t see Gallo developing much more than he already has….;

  24. BigBlueAL

    Nice trade for Denver but they are screwed. No chance in hell they ever get past OKC or the Lakers in the playoffs let alone the Spurs. Not to mention the Clippers and Grizz are no pushovers. God damn the West is freaking loaded.

  25. BigBlueAL

    Nobody here is really looking at this trade from the 76ers angle. Are they really that much better a team?? I mentioned in the previous thread what an odd roster they have now (a few have mentioned this as well on Twitter).

  26. Brian Cronin

    The Sixers are in a weird situation, but damn, when you get a chance to get an Andrew Bynum, you take it, ya know? I expect we’ll see some more trades forthcoming. I have to imagine that Hawes is very tradeable.

    What kills me the most about the trade is that Orlando is not even that bad. I think I like their squad as much as I like Washington’s team.

    Nelson
    Afflalo/Reddick
    Hedu/Richardson
    Big Baby/Harrington
    Ayon

    And possibly Fran Vazquez.

    That is not an awful team, which is what they sort of need to be.

  27. ruruland

    Brian Cronin:
    Speaking of the Clippers, how the heck has Kenyon Martin not found a team yet?

    He’s waiting for a contending team to offer more than vet min.

    Still holding out hope.

  28. Brian Cronin

    Hasn’t that ship pretty much sailed? What contender has more than the vet minimum to spend? I mean, don’t get me wrong, he’s worth more than the minimum, but if that’s the market, that’s the market. He’s still a good player. Even though he would have no reason to come here, I sure wouldn’t mind him being a Knick.

  29. DS

    Brian Cronin:
    What kills me the most about the trade is that Orlando is not even that bad. I think I like their squad as much as I like Washington’s team.

    Nelson
    Afflalo/Reddick
    Hedu/Richardson
    Big Baby/Harrington
    Ayon

    And possibly Fran Vazquez.

    That is not an awful team, which is what they sort of need to be.

    Really? Better than Wall, Beal, Ariza, Okafor, and Nene? Disagree.

  30. Robtachi

    Sooooo what the hell is the Rockets’ plan now? It’s great and all that they got Lin, but they are officially never getting Dwight, so who’s gonna, y’know, play basketball for them for the next few years?

  31. ruruland

    BigBlueAL:
    Nobody here is really looking at this trade from the 76ers angle.Are they really that much better a team??I mentioned in the previous thread what an odd roster they have now (a few have mentioned this as well on Twitter).

    Jrue Holliday and Louis Williams are their best playmakers, which means that they’ll be even more deliberate than they’ve been in the past. Bynum is going to put up huge numbers though without a Gasol or Kobe eating into his touches.

  32. ruruland

    Brian Cronin:
    Hasn’t that ship pretty much sailed? What contender has more than the vet minimum to spend? I mean, don’t get me wrong, he’s worth more than the minimum, but if that’s the market, that’s the market. He’s still a good player. Even though he would have no reason to come here, I sure wouldn’t mind him being a Knick.

    I don’t see Kenyon taking the easy route and signing with Miami. I don’t think he likes those boys that much. I could see OKC, Boston, NY, Brooklyn, maybe LAL.

    He’s unfortunately the best fit in Brooklyn. But getting back with Kidd and Melo and playing in the Garden, he’d love that. He’s another guy that plays bigger when the game’s bigger.

    But, you’re right, not many options out there for him. Remember, this is a guy used to living on 15-20 mill a year.

  33. Tony Pena

    DS: Really? Better than Wall, Beal, Ariza, Okafor, and Nene?Disagree.

    Agree on disagreeing. That’s a legit starting 5 there. They should be thinking playoffs. I’m anxious to see what Beal is going to do.

  34. ruruland

    And Kenyon would be a perfect Garden player. I know Knicks fans saw him a lot in NJ, but he’s a guy who loves interacting and feeding off the crowd. He’s much more effective when angry or animated, and half of the battle with him is tryin to find something that takes him to that place.

  35. BigBlueAL

    ruruland: Jrue Holliday and Louis Williams are their best playmakers, which means that they’ll be even more deliberate than they’ve been in the past. Bynum is going to put up huge numbers though without a Gasol or Kobe eating into his touches.

    Lou Williams is gone though, in Atlanta now.

  36. Brian Cronin

    Beal is going to be great. I love Beal. I don’t think he’s a difference maker yet, though. Remember James Harden in year one? I think we’ll see something like that.

    As for Washington’s roster, yeah, it isn’t awful either, which puts them in the same boat with Orlando. Too good to get a high draft pick and too bad to be a playoff team.

    Miami
    Boston
    Chicago
    New York
    Indiana

    Are pretty much a lock for the playoffs.

    Then add in Brooklyn (who might be a lock, but I’d like to see them play first), Philly and Milwaukee, that’s eight teams right there. Through in Atlanta and things are pretty clear.

    I don’t see a scenario where Washington will be better than any of those teams.

  37. JK47

    Howard for Bynum is not a lateral move; any Laker fan will tell you that Bynum drives them nuts as a defensive player. Howard is three-time DPOY.

  38. Brian Cronin

    I don’t see Kenyon taking the easy route and signing with Miami. I don’t think he likes those boys that much. I could see OKC, Boston, NY, Brooklyn, maybe LAL.

    He’s unfortunately the best fit in Brooklyn. But getting back with Kidd and Melo and playing in the Garden, he’d love that. He’s another guy that plays bigger when the game’s bigger.

    But, you’re right, not many options out there for him. Remember, this is a guy used to living on 15-20 mill a year.

    Martin’d be great here, but they just don’t have enough minutes to offer him. If you’re going to play for the minimum, you have to at least get legit minutes, right?

  39. knicknyk

    Robtachi:
    Sooooo what the hell is the Rockets’ plan now?It’s great and all that they got Lin, but they are officially never getting Dwight, so who’s gonna, y’know, play basketball for them for the next few years?

    They will play Lin Asik and the other guys they kept on there roster as well as there four rookies etc. Probably be a 10th seed in the west. They are in rebuilding mode most likely.

  40. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin:
    Beal is going to be great. I love Beal. I don’t think he’s a difference maker yet, though. Remember James Harden in year one? I think we’ll see something like that.

    As for Washington’s roster, yeah, it isn’t awful either, which puts them in the same boat with Orlando. Too good to get a high draft pick and too bad to be a playoff team.

    Miami
    Boston
    Chicago
    New York
    Indiana

    Are pretty much a lock for the playoffs.

    Then add in Brooklyn (who might be a lock, but I’d like to see them play first), Philly and Milwaukee, that’s eight teams right there. Through in Atlanta and things are pretty clear.

    I don’t see a scenario where Washington will be better than any of those teams.

    Nets and Philly should be locks for the playoffs too although I think the Nets are being massively overrated right now and wouldnt be surprised if they are the 7th seed but they should definitely make the playoffs. 8th seed is up for grabs I think. Bucks, Hawks, Raptors, Pistons and the Cavs should all battle for that spot (8th seed should definitely finish below .500 unlike last season). Wizards, Magic and Bobcats dont have a chance in hell of making the playoffs I dont think.

  41. BigBlueAL

    knicknyk: They will play Lin Asik and the other guys they kept on there roster as well as there four rookies etc. Probably be a 10th seed in the west. They are in rebuilding mode most likely.

    The Kings are the only team I see worse than the Rockets in the West. Maybe the Hornets/Suns/Blazers but for next season Id much rather have their rosters than the Rockets. The Wolves and Warriors should be decent and possibly grab a playoff spot but seems pretty obvious that the 8 playoff teams from last season in the West will be the same with many of them being significantly better this season.

  42. knicknyk

    BigBlueAL: The Kings are the only team I see worse than the Rockets in the West.Maybe the Hornets/Suns/Blazers but for next season Id much rather have their rosters than the Rockets.The Wolves and Warriors should be decent and possibly grab a playoff spot but seems pretty obvious that the 8 playoff teams from last season in the West will be the same with many of them being significantly better this season.

    LAL, LAC OKC Spurs Minny Dallas Memp Denver are all definitely better. I think the Rockets will fight for 9 ish-10 ish seed. I don’t see GSW making the playoffs. There starting 5 isn’t terrible. Lin Martin, Parsons, Patterson and Asik. There bench is stacked with rookies though and led by Douglas most likely. I don’t think they will be dead last or second to last in the west but they are definitely not making the post-season unless Lin turns into Nash 2.0.

  43. DS

    I think OKC is the safer bet. Harden and Ibaka are only 22; Westbrook and Durant only 23. The Lakers are aging quickly and it seems too difficult for it all come together perfectly in one season, esp. with all of the egos.

  44. DS

    BigBlueAL: Wizards… dont have a chance in hell of making the playoffs I dont think.

    Well David Berri and I disagree with you. :) Seriously, though, I can see why BK and Philly have a much better prognosis than Washington but not so much Milwaukee, Atlanta (down JJ and Marv) and esp. not Detroit, Cleveland, Toronto.

  45. BigBlueAL

    DS: Well David Berri and I disagree with you. :)Seriously, though, I can see why BK and Philly have a much better prognosis than Washington but not so much Milwaukee, Atlanta (down JJ and Marv) and esp. not Detroit, Cleveland, Toronto.

    Atlanta lost JJ and Marv but added Lou Williams, Devin Harris, Korver and still have Josh Smith and Horford. Toronto added Lowry at least. Agree that the Bucks arent that good but they will win enough games to compete for the 8th seed. Cavs were decent last season before injuries killed them and you would think they will continue to improve because of Irving and their other young guys. Yeah dunno why I mentioned the Pistons though lol

    I just dont see how the hell the Wizards score any points. I mean they will be better and I guess should win 30 games at least but I dont see them being nearly as good as the Hawks and Bucks who should be the 2 teams really battling for the 8th seed.

  46. Unreason

    Brian Cronin:
    After this deal, are the Lakers the best team in the West?

    I’d guess they will be. Wouldn’t a Nash-Howard PnR be nearly automatic even if Pau and Kobe weren’t the secondary options? I’m making this up, but it seems like Howard draws more double teams than anyone else in the league. Obviously he also solves lots of defensive problems and adds huge boards. I don’t know. OKC will be ridiculous too. Hard to say.
    I do know that I will hate the Lakers even more than I have in past years. They’ve now edged out the Heat and are approaching the Celtics in the ranks of teams I least want to succeed.

  47. Unreason

    BigBlueAL: I think the Nets are being massively overrated right now

    I’m with you. They look like they’re built to score a lot and lose a lot.

  48. knicknyk

    Unreason: I’d guess they will be. Wouldn’t a Nash-Howard PnR be nearly automatic even if Pau and Kobe weren’t the secondary options? I’m making this up, but it seems like Howard draws more double teams than anyone else in the league. Obviously he also solves lots of defensive problems and adds huge boards. I don’t know. OKC will be ridiculous too. Hard to say.
    I do know that I will hate the Lakers even more than I have in past years. They’ve now edged out the Heat and are approaching the Celtics in the ranks of teams I least want to succeed.

    Honestly, the only good thing about this Laker deal is that I do not have to watch the Heat defend there title.

  49. BigBlueAL

    Unreason: I’m with you. They look like they’re built to score a lot and lose a lot.

    They wont lose alot, I think they will easily make the playoffs but as a 6/7 seed whose win total tops out at around 45 wins. People have them fighting for a Top 4 seed and being better than the Knicks and I think thats nuts. To me their ceiling is the Knicks floor. I think the Knicks could win in the low 50′s (I wont say mid-50′s though that would be awesome lol) and at worst win 45 games. The Nets I dont think can win 50 games and could struggle to finish .500 worst case scenario.

    Not sure I just made much sense lol

  50. Unreason

    BigBlueAL: The Kings are the only team I see worse than the Rockets in the West.

    The Phoenix Sun’s prospects for this season only seem a bit brighter than the Rockets to me.

  51. Unreason

    BigBlueAL: They wont lose alot, I think they will easily make the playoffs but as a 6/7 seed

    I probably overvalue defense, and so I’m probably underrating their strengths and overrating the Knick’s. It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out.

  52. Tony Pena

    BigBlueAL:

    I just dont see how the hell the Wizards score any points.

    Their starting five should avg double digits each, and the bench is Singleton, Vesley, AJ Price I guess. Not too shabby.

  53. slovene knick

    Lakers were a “big four” similar constructed team in the 2004 already. It brought them pain and misery in aftermath….for me one of more pleasant things related to basketball that year.
    In comparison: Howard is no Shaq and Kobe is an older Kobe, Nash should still be good, but is also old with no defense.He’s an opposite version of Payton , Pau is on decline like Malone was by then. Brown is no magician coach either….I say no title for Lakers!!!

  54. Unreason

    slovene knick: I say no title for Lakers!!!

    I wouldn’t favor them for a title either, but mostly because, barring major injuries, I think Miami is here to stay.
    I think this LA team could be considerably better than the 2004 squad though, even if they don’t add Barbosa. Pau and Malone aren’t at similar points in their careers. Neither are Nash and Payton, despite Nash’s age. Kobe’s definitely in decline. But Howard now and Shaq then are pretty much a wash. I’d give a slight edge to Howard on D and a slight edge to Shaq on offense mostly because of his passing.
    Even with all that, I doubt they’ll beat the Heat if they face each other in the finals. I’d be rooting for both to lose but it’ll probably be some memorable hoops anyhow.

  55. flossy

    Also, would you rather have a core of Nash/Kobe/Gasol/Howard or CP3/Kobe/Bynum? Even when the Lakers lose, they win.

  56. Juany8

    flossy:
    Also, would you rather have a core of Nash/Kobe/Gasol/Howard or CP3/Kobe/Bynum?Even when the Lakers lose, they win.

    I know you were just talking about the next 2 years, but I would much rather have CP3 and Bynum locked up long term than Howard alone (who isn’t even a guarantee to stay, although he probably will). Not to mention that the Howard trade was still there even if the Lakers got CP3.

  57. Jafa

    flossy:
    So… how long until Phil Jackson comes out of retirement again?

    Best comment I’ve read in a while. I say he calls and the Lakers’ front office ego says no.

  58. SharKuz

    massive: You really think D12 (who won 3 of the past 4 DPOYs) for Bynum is a lateral move. Dwight Howard had an off-year, and still led the league in rebounding. I’m not sure how you can call trading Bynum for a top 5 NBA player a lateral move. The Lakers added the league’s best offensive and defensive players in free agency.

    But yes, Denver got the most bang for their buck.

    It’s funny I just wrote a blog article that actually came to the same conclusion. When you put the players side by side their numbers are almost identical across the board. I’m sure that Howard will probably be a bigger force on the defensive side than Bynum is, but it’s still not a quantum leap forward. At the end of the day the second best center got traded for the best center. And the while Howard edges Bynum on most of the numbers slightly, Bynum is more efficient than Howard. And a team that has Kobe Bryant needs all the efficiency it can find because there is going to be less opportunities. I think for the most part it is definitely just a lateral move. The real move for them was Nash. If the Lakers end up in the finals it’s going to be because Nash took them there, not Howard.

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