Comments on: Draft Day Trade Lacks Direction

By: DAVID LEE LOVER

DAVID LEE LOVER — Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:05:33 +0000

EVERYONE! Zach Randolph I can guarentee is going to be 272727272 problems… David Lee is so much better.

By: transcend

transcend — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:30:08 +0000

we gave up frye and francis. these guys together have very little talent between them. frye is a good guy and all, but his play was atrocious. no D, no bounding, no J, no post presence… francis was a cancer, and good ridance, obviously… sure, there are holes in Zach’s game, but for what we gave up, this was a no brainer. frye is a work in progress, at best. he couldn’t hold his own in the worst division (and conf) in the nba. zach put up very respectable, consistent numbers playing against much better competition. i think knick fans are just so used to ragging on isiah, they have to find a way to diss this trade. isiah’s made his share of mistakes, but this one is a slam dunk. remember we gave up basically nothing (factor fracis, and we may have given less than nothing) for a guy entering his prime, having proven himself a competent offensive force against much better competetion. not to mention two half decent throw-ins.

By: Felix

Felix — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:42:52 +0000

Man some of you would complain if Isiah traded for Oden and Durant. LOL
1. Zach is 26, Frye 25. (so many of you are complaining we gave up a young talent for a vet) Yes a 1 YEAR OLDER PROVEN VET. LOL good arguement.
2. Steve Francis 17mil was rotting with his bum knees, now zach will be paid 13mil this year, so we’ll save some money this and next year, WITH A PLAYER ACTAULLY CONTRIBUTING.
3. Having Cap space doesnt win championship, stop thinking it does, its retarded. Id rather spend the money than be like memphis, charlottle and other small market teams who only think about $$ not trying to get a better team in there.
4. Zach is a 24/10 player in the western conference. Nuff said.
5. Zach produces agaisnt top teams in the league, take a look his last 2 seasons vs top teams in the league
vs Detroit- 29pts, 10 rebs
vs Pheonix- 24pts, 12 rebs
vs Chicago, Dallas, Utah, Indy, Lakers, Clippers – 23pts, 8 rebs

Those are averages, 2 seasons. Thats production at the top of the league at PF. Frye was not going to give us anything near that.

By: Jimmy Bringdown

Jimmy Bringdown — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:13:48 +0000

Re: the 20/10 club – I remember the same discussions being had about Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

By: rocky

rocky — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:10:57 +0000

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By: rocky

rocky — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:10:08 +0000

well i think that the knincks orginization made a good trade on the behalf that randolph is putting up more points than channing and francis.also the knicks now have another big man to help out curry.

By: jon abbey

jon abbey — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:58:26 +0000

FWIW, there were only five 20/10 players in the league last year: Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh and the newest Knick. clearly he’s not as good as those other four, but still, worth noting.

By: dalva

dalva — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:36:18 +0000

Isiah was commited to getting the team well under the cap by the summer of ’09 with a young (and by then much improved) core of Curry, Lee, Frye, Balkman, Robinson, and company. With this deal, a figurative turd on the plate of that plan, they’ve lost a huge contract that expires in the summer of ’09 and taken on a chemistry killing duplicate of a player that’s owed 17 million in 2011. They’re going to have an embarassing defensive frontcourt and will turn the ball over more than a nervous 5th grader with no left hand who comes off the bench in a tournament game.

Are the Knicks taking the East with Randolph in the mix? Absolutely not. So why do the deal and mortgage the future. Makes little sense.

By: Z

Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:46:11 +0000

“So it is not a fact at all that the Knicks would be under the cap, and at least in my opinion I do not think they would have been.”

Curry and Crawford both have trade value, if Isiah declared them touchable. It would have been James, Jeffries, and Q that clog up the ’09 cap (pre-Randolph). But James and Q would be expiring pacts in ’10 that could have been used as pawns in a sign and trade and Jeffries, with only 2 years left, would have been movable.

Not that any of this matters anymore.

p.s.: hoopshype has updated the new Knicks roster and lists their ’08-’09 salary total as $83,690,79986,204,133. I don’t know exactly how much over the cap that is, but it is an amusing satire, even if it’s a tjypo.

By: jon abbey

jon abbey — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:05:24 +0000

“Obviously, it?s more important to have the best top 5 or 6 players? but if you?re looking at a group of half a dozen teams, a couple of them will be wiped out by injuries. Knicks are much less likely to fall victim, than, say, Boston.”

maybe, I’m just saying that from 4-15 we’ve been as good as almost anyone in the league for a few years, as well we should with the absurd payroll. it’s the top 3 where we so often lose the talent battle. what’s interesting about the Randolph deal from this perspective is it arguably bumps everyone down one, or everyone but DLee.

in terms of depth, I think it’s possible to be too deep. if you have more than 10 guys that deserve minutes, it often becomes a problem. the trick is to balance the right amount of depth with injuries, one reason that San Antonio and Detroit have had so much success is their top guys have had very few injuries.