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Saturday, December 20, 2014

Don’t Free Eddy Curry!

Being a fan is largely a helpless venture. You choose a team, most likely at a young age, and you’re stuck with your decision for life, good or bad. Very few fans change allegiance mid-stream; chalk one up to the consistency principle. Other than not supporting their team financially en masse, there is little fans can do to change the fortunes of their team. Like being a passenger on the subway, you’re at the whim of the conductors.

In recent years, a trend has evolved to get team followers to influence the powers that be: “Free [Player’s Name]”. It was started in the early 00’s by Baseball Prospectus’ Joe Sheehan:

It might be time for a grass-roots effort. Maybe we need to start a guerrilla movement, some fan- based push to get Erubiel Durazo the playing time he so richly deserves.

If you’re at a D’backs game, start chanting, “Free Erubiel Durazo!” Tear up a pillowcase and put the war cry on it in bold red letters. Call your local sports-talk station on the premise of discussing the NBA playoffs or how many letters Eric Lindros has in his alphabet, then shout the mantra to the world. E-mail sportswriters, both in Phoenix and around the country, with just three little words that will take baseball by storm.

We can do this. We can change the world, or at least the NL West.

“Free Durazo” caught on, and all of a sudden fans of any team who were displeased with the starters could send their own message. The concept is simple. Find a player on the team that isn’t receiving enough playing time who is superior to a starter and start a “Free [Player’s Name]” movement.

Unfortunately, overuse quickly follows the latest trend. Witness the “jumping the shark” moment for this little endeavor: “Free Eddy Curry.” Courtesy of Newsday’s Alan Hahn:

I think there is no better time than now to play [Curry].

This isn’t about defense or rebounding. This is about space-eating and a legit low-post presence for an offense that has a point guard who is struggling to run a pick-and-roll and a marquee power forward who is struggling to be a post-up player.

So make Eddy the focal. Dump it in and let him bang and draw fouls and also use em. He has six. No way he lasts more than 20 minutes, which means he can use a foul every three minutes. Tell Timofey Mozgov to do the same and now you have 12 hard fouls in the game.

Also Frank Isola of the Daily News lobbies on Eddy’s behalf:

Donnie Walsh predicts Eddy Curry will play this year. But can he put up Mozgov numbers? Heck, I could put up Mozgov numbers. Free Eddy

It’s one thing when stat-savvy bloggers whose outsider view differs from the establishment hope to have their voices heard. It’s another when mainstream locker room writers who use the same criteria as the coach to evaluate players start stumping for their candidate. Heck they don’t have to hold up signs in the hopes that the coach will look into the stands and see them. They can just ask the coach under the guise of their day job: “Coach – don’t you think bringing in Eddy Curry for 20 minutes to bang around in the post is a good idea right about now?”

Is Eddy Curry among the 30-60 best centers in the NBA? Maybe. It depends how motivated he is, and how willing he would be to get in shape and work on his deficiencies. Having a productive season might help move his contract for a star player as well. But let’s not pretend that giving the ball to Curry in the post is a fantastic option either. Don’t forget the lack of passing out of triple teams, and the frequent offensive fouls. He won’t give you 6 fouls on the defensive end, because he’ll use 3 of them bowling over defenders.

More importantly is the misuse of the “Free [Player’s Name]” idea. It shouldn’t be used for the 4th overall pick who logged nearly 13,000 minutes of craptitude before deciding to toss his career into the garbage bin behind Dunkin Donuts. It should be used for the 30th pick stuck on the bench behind said craptitude. It’s for the overlooked underdog who never got the opportunity, not the entitled and pampered that wasted multiple chances.

51 comments on “Don’t Free Eddy Curry!

  1. Thomas B.

    Arrrrggghhh! I knew it!

    Seriously, nice article. I don’t want to see him back either. I just don’t see how after more than two years without quality playing time such a flawed player can help. The team needs rebounding and fewer turnovers so the solution is to turn to Eddy Curry? Seriously? So if my house has termites, I should get a dog? I don’t get it.

    Love the new “character limiter.” But you know, all that means is some posters will deliver their manifesto in a 6 part series. (that was a joke folks not a suggestion) Oh well it’s still a valiant effort.

    Don’t free Eddy Curry. Is there anyone on the roster that should be free?

  2. Frank

    Please no Eddy Curry. If there is anything that I have been convinced of after joining the KB community, it’s that he sucks. And that was before he weighed 742435 pounds. He’s eaten his way out of any second/third/fourth chances.

    It looks like D’Antoni has already started going this direction, but let’s see some more Billy Walker out there. And PLEASE no more Mason Jr., at least until his shots at least come within a foot of going in. He must have some mechanical issues going on – no bonafide NBA “shooter” should be missing shots as horribly as he is.

  3. Nick C.

    Nice article. No Eddy. Did these writers watch the NYK the season or three where Eddy was the “focal point?” Sometimes I wonder if these guys wouldn’t be better off being honest and saying I just ran out of ideas am incapanble of analzing whats gone on so far this season, much less breaking down the next game so I’ll print some nursery rhymes or they could go steve Serby and just rewrite the same article “the Jets/Giants have to play like Namath, LT, Carson…”

  4. NYK Ewing

    Good read. The main issue is that Curry will not be a part of the Knicks future. Right now, we are a rebuilding team without a hope of the championship. Even if Curry does help us (which is a very slim chance, and he would only help marginally), we would be taking away valuable learning experience from future Knicks. And there is no upside trade-wise, no team is going to take Curry for anything other than his contract.

    I would prefer to keep letting Mozgov play and adjust to the NBA. You can tell he’s got talent, but he doesn’t understand to play in a US system yet. If we let him learn, I think he could enter next year as a Marcin Gortat-type player – a solid rebounder and defender. That would fill a huge role that’s been sorely lacking in the Knicks roster.

  5. Frank

    Interesting read about the value of small sample sizes — this was linked to by Berri in his Landry Fields is the 8th best rookie in NBA history article (this was linked to by someone in the last thread):

    Berri article: http://dberri.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/the-amazing-landry-fields-2/

    Galletti article about the value of small sample sizes – seems by 10 games using his statistical method, the correlation to full season stats is already 0.67 and by 15 games is 0.76. (disclaimer – I’m not totally clear to me what “raw productivity” is but seems it is somehow related to Wins Produced). Since we are somewhere between 10-15 games into the season, should we be ~70% sure that the statistically speaking the players we have are the players we have?

    http://arturogalletti.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/a-guide-to-jumping-to-conclusions-in-the-nba-and-employee-of-the-year-for-2009-2010/

  6. NateBowman

    Free Eddy Curry??? The only freeing that should be done is from the Knicks roster. Can’t wait to see him go, and if he sees time on the court in anything but a 50-point blow-out, the Knicks should be ashamed of themselves. Of course, that’s never stopped them before….

  7. Mike Kurylo Post author

    Thomas B.: Love the new “character limiter.”But you know, all that means is some posters will deliver their manifesto in a 6 part series. (that was a joke folks not a suggestion)Oh well it’s still a valiant effort.

    I’ve received a number of complaints, some private, some public. I don’t want the comments to be dominated by a few, I’d rather see diversity with the opinions that come in.

  8. JK47

    I’d put “giving minutes to Eddy Curry” somewhere in between “trying Timofey Mozgov at point guard” and “giving Frederic Weis another look” in terms of quality ideas.

  9. rohank

    Haha Frank, I saw that article too but didn’t want to post it b/c i didn’t want to rekindle the heated debate from the last thread.

    What field do you practice in? Are you in NYC? I’m a medstudent at Pitt but I’m hoping to end up back in NY for residency and the future.

  10. TDM

    Mike Kurylo: I’ve received a number of complaints, some private, some public. I don’t want the comments to be dominated by a few, I’d rather see diversity with the opinions that come in.  (Quote)

    Put me in the column of people relieved to see the limit.

    That aside, this team is undersized and needs rebounding. Months ago, I was harping that the Knicks should have brought in Barron instead of PEJ, but was met with rebuttals that the Knicks were deep at center. Mozgov (project), AR (benched), Curry (benched), Turiaf (great, but injury prone). Meanwhile, PEJ isn’t even on the team, and his replacement Shawne Williams (another SF) has spent more time being seperated from Bill Walker than on the court.

    The problems ailing AR are not going away anytime soon. I don’t know what he needs specifically, but it isn’t that he is in a slump, he needs work.

    I think its time the Knicks need to consider buying out Mason and bringing in someone to help crash the boards. Barron recently signed with PHX after also getting looks from Portland, so thats a non-starter. Dampier has a history with Walsh and is looking for work. He rebounds and blocks shots, but may have trouble running the floor in MikeD’s system. Maybe bring back Courntey Sims for a tryout? Fazekas?

  11. chrisk06811

    I disagree on Curry.

    Remember, the guy came out of HS and never went to college; he’s in desperate need of a higher education.

    I say play him for 10 games, maybe he puts up some numbers…..he could then get a free ride to Florida International!!

  12. chrisk06811

    In all seriousness, I’d wait 10 more games, then if Curry is healthy, I’d play him. the key is to get rid of him for something rather than nothing. Playing for $$ is motivating, and Eddy needs motivation.

    How’s this trade:
    Eddy and Bill Walker to New Orleans for Peja Stojakovic and a future no 1? Peja is not in their plans…Walker could shoot their 3’s, plus, he can walk. NO is playoff bound and has nobody to back up Okafor. This isn’t that far fetched, but Eddy has to play 10 games and avg 10/5 in 20 mins first.

  13. NYK Ewing

    While I agree that Randolph needs to be “freed,” he can’t be free to do whatever he wants on the court. I think he’s suffering from a lack of confidence because there was an expectation for him to give a decent offensive performance, and he’s struggled early in that regard. And now he looks confused: he takes the ball up the court off a rebound (Pass to your PG!), he takes ill-advised shots on an o-board, his open shots are all bricks… etc. The best way to build confidence is to tell him to only go for defense and boards. He can start developing his offensive game once he starts getting some o-boards and putbacks, but right now his confidence is sapped and he should be benched until he plays the role we need him to play.

  14. JK47

    chrisk06811: In all seriousness, I’d wait 10 more games, then if Curry is healthy, I’d play him.the key is to get rid of him for something rather than nothing.Playing for $$ is motivating, and Eddy needs motivation.How’s this trade:
    Eddy and Bill Walker to New Orleans for Peja Stojakovic and a future no 1?Peja is not in their plans…Walker could shoot their 3?s, plus, he can walk.NO is playoff bound and has nobody to back up Okafor.This isn’t that far fetched, but Eddy has to play 10 games and avg 10/5 in 20 mins first.  

    Eddy Curry is nothing but a walking expiring contract. Putting him on the floor to enhance his trade value is not going to help– his status as an expiring contract IS his trade value. At this point everybody is in on the fact that Eddy Curry can’t really play basketball.

    We’d have to find a very stupid GM to think that Eddy Curry is worth acquiring for basketball reasons. He has terrible conditioning, doesn’t play any defense at all, doesn’t run the floor, doesn’t pass and has a cancerous attitude. I wouldn’t want him on the floor for the Knicks for even one second. I’d much rather those minutes go to guys who might actually help us someday.

  15. Mike Kurylo Post author

    NYK Ewing: hile I agree that Randolph needs to be “freed,” he can’t be free to do whatever he wants on the court. I think he’s suffering from a lack of confidence because there was an expectation for him to give a decent offensive performance, and he’s struggled early in that regard. And now he looks confused: he takes the ball up the court off a rebound (Pass to your PG!), he takes ill-advised shots on an o-board, his open shots are all bricks… etc. The best way to build confidence is to tell him to only go for defense and boards. He can start developing his offensive game once he starts getting some o-boards and putbacks…

    Agree with all this, but not what I left out. This is where the coaching staff needs to earn their pay. Someone should be telling this to Randolph, every minute of every day. He’s lacks basketball common sense – I remember that one where he tried to run the fast break. D’Antoni barked “pass it to the point guard” and he was right. He’ll make lots of these mistakes – but I think the only way he’ll figure it out is by playing. I bet the next time he grabs a rebound he’ll be looking for the PG.

    Randolph needs to make all the mistakes get ripped for them, and learn not to do them again. He’s not going to figure it out on the bench. Maybe the D-League would help him, but I don’t see the Knicks sending him there (not sure if they can force him without consent – and they’d be short on bigs).

  16. jaylamerique

    Mike Kurylo: Agree with all this, but not what I left out. This is where the coaching staff needs to earn their pay. Someone should be telling this to Randolph, every minute of every day. He’s lacks basketball common sense – I remember that one where he tried to run the fast break. D’Antoni barked “pass it to the point guard” and he was right. He’ll make lots of these mistakes – but I think the only way he’ll figure it out is by playing. I bet the next time he grabs a rebound he’ll be looking for the PG. Randolph needs to make all the mistakes get ripped for them, and learn not to do them again. He’s not going to figure it out on the bench. Maybe the D-League would help him, but I don’t see the Knicks sending him there (not sure if they can force him without consent – and they’d be short on bigs).  (Quote)

    you have to wonder how bad AR has been in practice that a guy like shawne williams might get mintues over him pretty soon as Hahn is reporting. AR does not deserve to play just because he was in the lee trade and played well in GS. i mean if the coaching staff doesnt even think you deserve to play a few minutes in the second game of back to back to give the other bigmen a rest than that tells you all you need to know about how he is performing.

  17. Thomas B.

    NYK Ewing:

    While I agree that Randolph needs to be “freed,” he can’t be free to do whatever he wants on the court. I think he’s suffering from a lack of confidence because there was an expectation for him to give a decent offensive performance, and he’s struggled early in that regard.

    Very much in agreement with what was said here. Felton and the rest of the back court shoulders some–but not all–of the blame here. If the player is not in a position to make something good happen, then don’t give him the ball. If Randolph is 15 feet away, find another option Felton.
    Some blame goes to Randolph. If AR moved without the ball the way Landry Fields moves without the ball, AR could create easier scoring at the basket for himself. Landry has a great understanding of where to be but that’s a 4 year college player compared to a 1 year player. Sure he is a rookie, but Randolph should be studying Fields. Maybe Chandler should too.

  18. ess-dog

    Frank: Interesting read about the value of small sample sizes — this was linked to by Berri in his Landry Fields is the 8th best rookie in NBA history article (this was linked to by someone in the last thread):Berri article: http://dberri.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/the-amazing-landry-fields-2/Galletti article about the value of small sample sizes – seems by 10 games using his statistical method, the correlation to full season stats is already 0.67 and by 15 games is 0.76.(disclaimer – I’m not totally clear to me what “raw productivity” is but seems it is somehow related to Wins Produced).Since we are somewhere between 10-15 games into the season, should we be ~70% sure that the statistically speaking the players we have are the players we have?http://arturogalletti.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/a-guide-to-jumping-to-conclusions-in-the-nba-and-employee-of-the-year-for-2009-2010/  

    Does this take into account minutes played? Because that would make a big difference for guys like Randolph.

  19. Ted Nelson

    I would let Eddy play if he earns minutes, which (with no inside knowledge) seems to me to be what Walshtoni have done the last couple years… I highly doubt he’ll earn minutes, so I highly doubt he’ll play. I would try to put him on equal footing with everyone else, though. If he’s in great (at least acceptable) shape and gets after it in practice throw him some garbage minutes, if he’s not and doesn’t don’t. If he plays well in garbage minutes give him a few more, if not don’t. And so on.
    Again, I doubt he’ll be freed, because I doubt he’ll free himself.

    ess-dog: Does this take into account minutes played? Because that would make a big difference for guys like Randolph. 

    Yeah, good point. AR’s 90 minutes is more like 3-ish games for a solid rotation player. Not 12.

    NYK Ewing: he takes the ball up the court off a rebound (Pass to your PG!),

    I think there are *tons* of problems with AR’s 90 minutes, but to me this is the least of them. His outlet passing has been largely *excellent* in my opinion (the camera often doesn’t even have a chance to settle on him after the board because it’s out of his hands so quickly), and one of his big strengths is exactly that he can on occasion bring up the rebound and start the break… ala Lamar Odom.

  20. Ted Nelson

    jaylamerique: you have to wonder how bad AR has been in practice that a guy like shawne williams might get mintues over him pretty soon as Hahn is reporting.

    I don’t see why you always speculate on how he’s doing in practice… During the season there aren’t even all that many practices. AR’s play in actual games is plenty to explain why he’s benched. He’s been absolutely terrible. Awful. Unacceptably so. I doubt he’s KG in practice, but why randomly guess how he’s doing in practice when we know exactly how he’s doing in games?

    As far as Williams… He was a mid-first round pick with plenty of skill. His one full NBA season he wasn’t that bad. I see no reason not to throw him a few minutes if he’s earned it.

  21. ess-dog

    Mike Kurylo:
    Agree with all this, but not what I left out. This is where the coaching staff needs to earn their pay. Someone should be telling this to Randolph, every minute of every day. He’s lacks basketball common sense – I remember that one where he tried to run the fast break. D’Antoni barked “pass it to the point guard” and he was right. He’ll make lots of these mistakes – but I think the only way he’ll figure it out is by playing. I bet the next time he grabs a rebound he’ll be looking for the PG.
    Randolph needs to make all the mistakes get ripped for them, and learn not to do them again. He’s not going to figure it out on the bench. Maybe the D-League would help him, but I don’t see the Knicks sending him there (not sure if they can force him without consent – and they’d be short on bigs).  

    I think the main problem here is that there needs to be a decision on whether Randolph is actually a big or not. The frustration comes out of the fact that Randolph does a lot of “big” things well: rebounding and blocking shots, for instance. But he also has a “handle”, is a nifty passer and actually has a shot that looks like a shot (ok he misses A LOT but you have to admit his form doesn’t look like Shaq’s or anything.) And hes pretty fast and quick, especially for a 6’11” guy.
    I’m sure D’Antoni wants to take advantage of AR’s forward skills/center height combo, but it’s not working.
    People mention Lamar Odom. Odom has a refined shot and very good “court vision” but can play big when he needs to. These things can come with time and practice.
    I would like to see him in the WC role- first guy off the bench and slide Amare over to center. Run him with Gallo and Fields and Felton and have him crash the boards and run the floor.

  22. chrisk06811

    JK47: Eddy Curry is nothing but a walking expiring contract. Putting him on the floor to enhance his trade value is not going to help– his status as an expiring contract IS his trade value. At this point everybody is in on the fact that Eddy Curry can’t really play basketball. We’d have to find a very stupid GM to think that Eddy Curry is worth acquiring for basketball reasons. He has terrible conditioning, doesn’t play any defense at all, doesn’t run the floor, doesn’t pass and has a cancerous attitude. I wouldn’t want him on the floor for the Knicks for even one second. I’d much rather those minutes go to guys who might actually help us someday.  (Quote)

    I disagree. Eddy’s problem is he doesn’t want to play. If anything is going to motivate him, it’s $$. So, yeah, he’s an expiring contract. But, he’s a skilled, experienced, still young player who could help someone as a backup for 15 mins / game in a playoff run. The problem is he’s a fat tub of goo. If he shows SOME ability to play in a reduced role, I’d deal an expiring contract and a pick near the end of the 1st round for him and walker. Tell me Chris Paul can’t get a motivated Eddy the ball a few times a game…..he’s got more O skills than Okafor. You don’t need his D…he’s not going to be on the floor that long.

  23. Ted Nelson

    mase: would you trade him straight up for troy murphy, realgm reports today he is on the block?  

    Would you trade Troy Murphy straight up for Eddy Curry? I don’t think the Nets would either…

  24. New Guy

    We’d have to find a very stupid GM to think that Eddy Curry is worth acquiring for basketball reasons.

    Fortunately they are plentiful.

  25. Ted Nelson

    mase: i would, yes  

    You would trade Troy Murphy to get Eddy Curry if you are the NJ Nets (or a Nets fan)??? Please enlighten me…

  26. Jafa

    Just got a thought, Dampier is walking around right now without a team to play for. Does anybody think Eddy Curry is better than Dampier?

    If you said no, then what makes you think Curry won’t be walking around early next season looking for a job the way Dampier is. Like someone said, Curry’s only value is as an expiring contract. Once the contract is over, he’s over.

    And then he will be free.

  27. Jafa

    chrisk06811:
    I disagree.Eddy’s problem is he doesn’t want to play.If anything is going to motivate him, it’s $$.So, yeah, he’s an expiring contract.But, he’s a skilled, experienced, still young player who could help someone as a backup for 15 mins / game in a playoff run.The problem is he’s a fat tub of goo.If he shows SOME ability to play in a reduced role, I’d deal an expiring contract and a pick near the end of the 1st round for him and walker.Tell me Chris Paul can’t get a motivated Eddy the ball a few times a game…..he’s got more O skills than Okafor.You don’t need his D…he’s not going to be on the floor that long.  

    I’m sorry but money has not motivated him so far (he is in the final year of his contract and most players in that position show up and play really hard to help secure an extension or a lucrative contract with a new team – like Wilson Chandler is doing right now).

    And Eddy has only one skill – back to the basket low post scoring – and that’s it. No rebounding, no blocked shots, no defense, no passing, no mid-range game, no face-up game, no movement without the ball, etc… He would not help anybody in the playoffs – he would probably hurt them with offensive fouls and turnovers.

    And I don’t think Chris Paul could help him. Paul has done well with forwards/centers who are great defensively and mobile yet offensively challenged by getting them the ball in good spots for them to succeed (see Chandler, Okafor). Curry does not fit this description.

    But I digress…alas the Eddy Curry era will soon be over.

  28. Z-man

    “I would let Eddy play if he earns minutes, which (with no inside knowledge) seems to me to be what Walshtoni have done the last couple years… I highly doubt he’ll earn minutes, so I highly doubt he’ll play. I would try to put him on equal footing with everyone else, though. If he’s in great (at least acceptable) shape and gets after it in practice throw him some garbage minutes, if he’s not and doesn’t don’t. If he plays well in garbage minutes give him a few more, if not don’t. And so on.
    Again, I doubt he’ll be freed, because I doubt he’ll free himself. ”

    Well said, Ted. Bottom line is, it’s a business and he’s an asset on the books. If you think he can help, use him. If not, don’t. It’s not like we don’t need a low post presence. Did black-balling Marbury help the team? Not in my book.

  29. d-mar

    The problem with “trying out” Curry in a game situation is the same problem with playing AR significant minutes – unfortunately, we’ve dug ourselves a pretty big hole record-wise after a not too difficult schedule, and D’Antoni has to try to win every game any way he can. That’s why he started Turiaf the other night and left AR on the bench, he did not want to see another Golden State or Houston game unfolding where he’s getting burned with certain rotations. We saw what Eddy did on the court last time he played, and it was just fugly. I understand it would be nice to have a low post presence, but Curry is not the answer. Keep Eddy chained to the fridge, and give AR another shot, but with a very short leash.

  30. JK47

    I’m starting to warm up to the idea of Erick Dampier. He’s slow as hell but he does of course bring interior D, rebounding and even more shotblocking. He’s always been a pretty competent player and with Turiaf’s brittleness we really do need another solid big.

  31. steveoh

    Seems to me that before we hand out any minutes to Eddy Curry, we need to figure out what Anthony Randolph’s game is. And it’s up to D’Antoni to simplify what that is to him.

    Right now, on offense, he’s got value playing as a 4 and a 5, hanging around the basket, being the recipient of feeds and misses. Rebounding’s his obvious strength, isn’t it? Makes sense to put him in a position to succeed doing that, and when he gets more comfortable, then expand his game. Have him back up Turiaf. Watch what he does. See how he does the dirty work. And then follow.

    Allowing him do too much (like shooting outside 15 feet on offense) is just feeding to the confusion. Besides, he’s just 21, and we’ve got an overload of players on the wing. He just needs to do one thing really well, and he already does it.

    Hell, D’Antoni might already be preaching that, and he might be too much of a space cadet to follow.

    And if that fails, then we can worry about Eddy. But that seems to be where the opportunity lies.

  32. ess-dog

    Sounds like Rautins could hit the D-league soon. So I guess Roger “Brick” Mason Jr. is here for a while…

  33. Jafa

    Just saw the Ricky Rubio OTL report from the ESPN widget – Every time he was asked if he would ever play in Minnesota, he would say something like “You never know” and “they have my rights right now”. But when pressed about if he would ever play in the NBA, he responded that it has always been his dream and if things didn’t work out, he knew he could always to back to Barcelona.

    I wonder what would be worse: the T-Wolves not having their high lottery pick ever play a game for them or having him come over, it doesn’t work out (for whatever reason) and then he decides to return to Spain after 2 seasons.

  34. Jafa

    Ess-dog, I think Mason will eventually be a contributor on this team, and that 3 point stroke will come back. Right now, everyone’s struggles are being magnified by the fact that we have been losing. If we go on a nice winning streak and are above .500, then Mason and others will start feeling more comfortable out there without the pressure that “every missed shot is contributing to our demise” on their shoulders.

    When your winning, some struggles are easily overlooked.

  35. nicos

    Ted Nelson: I would let Eddy play if he earns minutes, which (with no inside knowledge) seems to me to be what Walshtoni have done the last couple years… I highly doubt he’ll earn minutes, so I highly doubt he’ll play. I would try to put him on equal footing with everyone else, though. If he’s in great (at least acceptable) shape and gets after it in practice throw him some garbage minutes, if he’s not and doesn’t don’t. If he plays well in garbage minutes give him a few more, if not don’t. And so on.
    Again, I doubt he’ll be freed, because I doubt he’ll free himself.

    Agree completely.

    Also on AR- I think part of the problem with AR is that his gaffes have just been so conspicuous- at the end of the day that awful outlet pass to no one cost the Knicks one possession the same as any of Timo’s poor turnovers- it just looked worse. Was that goaltending play that much worse than Timo taking a needless foul on the perimeter when the Knicks are over the limit? Okay, it’s a little worse because just gave them two points instead of making them earn them at the stripe but my point is TImo’s gaffes make you shake your head- AR’s make you want to tear your hair out but a turnover is turnover- at the end of the day they all count the same (at while neither guy is playing in crunch time). The other part of the problem is the abysmal TS% but with Timo’s at .461 and turning the ball over a lot more frequently and not rebounding or blocking shots as well as AR, and given the fact that AR actually has been a productive player at points in his NBA career I’d rather see him getting 10 minutes a game than Timo. At the same time I’d be fine with both of them out of the rotation if either Williams or Curry can do something with those minutes.

  36. rayhed

    i’m stuck in philly for the year with no msg, and have been happy for the most part cuz the knicks have sucked and im too busy with schoolwork, but i’d really like to watch tonights game cuz of my love for dlee …. does anyone know how i can watch the game online?

  37. GAx

    Sorry man, but I don’t think DLee’s coming back in time to play this game. Still has that infection problem from elbowing Wil-chan in the teeth.

  38. Doug Chu

    rayhed: i’m stuck in philly for the year with no msg, and have been happy for the most part cuz the knicks have sucked and im too busy with schoolwork, but i’d really like to watch tonights game cuz of my love for dlee …. does anyone know how i can watch the game online?  

    atdhe.net is your hookup, my mans

  39. Ted Nelson

    Frank,

    Thought of an example from our last discussion… You said you do something with drug testing (I believe). When you’re testing a drug, do you have to test it on every single person in the US to get approval? I mean everyone’s body is different and everyone lives a slightly different lifestyle in a slightly different location… Or do you take a representative sample and test it on them?

    Nicos,

    Good points. Agree about stupid mistakes sometimes getting blown out of proportion next to regular mistakes. Agree that both Timo and AR are replaceable right now if there’s someone to replace them.

    One thing I would say for Timo is that his size can help the team off the box score… At what point that outweighs his utter incompetence off the court? I don’t know. With both he and AR you also have to consider “developing” them for the future…

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