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		<title>By: Loathing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loathing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, getting back on the subject here...I forgot who said it above (sorry), but yeah, Walsh will NOT overpay for ANYONE&#039;S services...he&#039;s too savvy a businessman for that, which means there won&#039;t be any bad contracts coming in. However, the worst case scenario would then be we get no one and be forced to sign scrubs.

But honestly, the next plan of Knickerbocker reconstruction would be the lottery. Whoever lands in those first two spots (where Wall and Turner are largely expected to go, no matter who lands there) will most likely have someone expendable to trade. Good to watch for.

Then we have the draft itself...Two second rounders...honestly, I think we need to either keep our picks, or maybe trade down to others who have multiple second rounders (if any) and get as much as we can without having to sign scrubs.

THEN, and ONLY then, can we talk about max FA&#039;s, Lee and the overpaids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, getting back on the subject here&#8230;I forgot who said it above (sorry), but yeah, Walsh will NOT overpay for ANYONE&#8217;S services&#8230;he&#8217;s too savvy a businessman for that, which means there won&#8217;t be any bad contracts coming in. However, the worst case scenario would then be we get no one and be forced to sign scrubs.</p>
<p>But honestly, the next plan of Knickerbocker reconstruction would be the lottery. Whoever lands in those first two spots (where Wall and Turner are largely expected to go, no matter who lands there) will most likely have someone expendable to trade. Good to watch for.</p>
<p>Then we have the draft itself&#8230;Two second rounders&#8230;honestly, I think we need to either keep our picks, or maybe trade down to others who have multiple second rounders (if any) and get as much as we can without having to sign scrubs.</p>
<p>THEN, and ONLY then, can we talk about max FA&#8217;s, Lee and the overpaids.</p>
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		<title>By: nicos</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Thomas vs. Hill- If I had to pick one without money being a factor I&#039;d have to pick Thomas.  He&#039;s only 1 year older and if anyone could get through to him his ceiling is much higher- his jumper isn&#039;t great but it&#039;s good enough that he should be pretty effective in the pick and roll game.  And if he played on a team that consistently pushed the tempo (and how Del Negro didn&#039;t have Rose pushing the ball at every opportunity with Thomas, Noah and Deng I&#039;ll never know) he should be a monster in transition.  He&#039;s not quite as strong as A&#039;mare but athletically he&#039;s probably as close as you&#039;re going to find.  Of course he&#039;s also drives coaches crazy by busting plays on both ends of the floor and thus far his effort level on the court has been inconsistent at best.  While I think Hill could turn out to be a decent starter, I don&#039;t see any all-star games in his future.  Truth be told I think it&#039;s probably doubtful Thomas winds up an all-star as well but at least it&#039;s a possibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Thomas vs. Hill- If I had to pick one without money being a factor I&#8217;d have to pick Thomas.  He&#8217;s only 1 year older and if anyone could get through to him his ceiling is much higher- his jumper isn&#8217;t great but it&#8217;s good enough that he should be pretty effective in the pick and roll game.  And if he played on a team that consistently pushed the tempo (and how Del Negro didn&#8217;t have Rose pushing the ball at every opportunity with Thomas, Noah and Deng I&#8217;ll never know) he should be a monster in transition.  He&#8217;s not quite as strong as A&#8217;mare but athletically he&#8217;s probably as close as you&#8217;re going to find.  Of course he&#8217;s also drives coaches crazy by busting plays on both ends of the floor and thus far his effort level on the court has been inconsistent at best.  While I think Hill could turn out to be a decent starter, I don&#8217;t see any all-star games in his future.  Truth be told I think it&#8217;s probably doubtful Thomas winds up an all-star as well but at least it&#8217;s a possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The biggest overlap is that Donnie can fire D&#039;Antoni if he doesn&#039;t like the way he&#039;s coaching. Seems like Donnie is pretty hands-off according to the media reports from D&#039;Antoni (which is better than being TOO hands-on as we saw in Chicago when the coach and GM literally put their hands on one another). 

The problem with Crawford in NY is that there was no one in-front of him. He&#039;s the 6th man in Atlanta because there are 5 men in front of him, 2 guards. The Knicks didn&#039;t have Joe Johnson and Mike Bibby in the back-court, let alone those guys in the back-court plus Horford and Josh Smith in the front-court. To Isiah&#039;s credit he claims that he initially envisioned Crawford as the 6th man behind Marbury and Houston... never worked out because Houston&#039;s game/health went MIA and Marbury&#039;s brain/stability went MIA. Hence, Crawford was the #1 option and Nate Robinson was the only guy not named Mardy Collins who was even an alternative. 

It is amazing that Crawford has suddenly learned how to shoot a basketball at 29 years old... Rip Van Winkle style. Even if Crawford were the 6th man in NY his production probably wouldn&#039;t have warranted 6th man of the year. He probably would have been a perennial candidate, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest overlap is that Donnie can fire D&#8217;Antoni if he doesn&#8217;t like the way he&#8217;s coaching. Seems like Donnie is pretty hands-off according to the media reports from D&#8217;Antoni (which is better than being TOO hands-on as we saw in Chicago when the coach and GM literally put their hands on one another). </p>
<p>The problem with Crawford in NY is that there was no one in-front of him. He&#8217;s the 6th man in Atlanta because there are 5 men in front of him, 2 guards. The Knicks didn&#8217;t have Joe Johnson and Mike Bibby in the back-court, let alone those guys in the back-court plus Horford and Josh Smith in the front-court. To Isiah&#8217;s credit he claims that he initially envisioned Crawford as the 6th man behind Marbury and Houston&#8230; never worked out because Houston&#8217;s game/health went MIA and Marbury&#8217;s brain/stability went MIA. Hence, Crawford was the #1 option and Nate Robinson was the only guy not named Mardy Collins who was even an alternative. </p>
<p>It is amazing that Crawford has suddenly learned how to shoot a basketball at 29 years old&#8230; Rip Van Winkle style. Even if Crawford were the 6th man in NY his production probably wouldn&#8217;t have warranted 6th man of the year. He probably would have been a perennial candidate, though.</p>
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		<title>By: ess-dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>ess-dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well it&#039;s soon to be official:  Jamal Crawford will be the 6th man of the year.  I&#039;m not sure if this says more about the Knicks, Crawford, or the league.  Regardless, I think it was clear to everyone except the coaches that Crawford was a better fit as a scoring 6th man, not your go-to starter.  This makes me wonder about current trends (i.e. using an undersized center, guarding a point guard with forward etc.) and whether Donnie has input here.  I mean, Donnie&#039;s job is &#039;personnel&#039;.  D&#039;Antoni&#039;s job is coaching.  But what is the overlap with these two?  I guess what I&#039;m saying is, I&#039;m actually glad we now have a senior GM like Donnie to objectively smooth out the rough edges of our personnel...  something Zeke was completely unable to handle as GM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s soon to be official:  Jamal Crawford will be the 6th man of the year.  I&#8217;m not sure if this says more about the Knicks, Crawford, or the league.  Regardless, I think it was clear to everyone except the coaches that Crawford was a better fit as a scoring 6th man, not your go-to starter.  This makes me wonder about current trends (i.e. using an undersized center, guarding a point guard with forward etc.) and whether Donnie has input here.  I mean, Donnie&#8217;s job is &#8216;personnel&#8217;.  D&#8217;Antoni&#8217;s job is coaching.  But what is the overlap with these two?  I guess what I&#8217;m saying is, I&#8217;m actually glad we now have a senior GM like Donnie to objectively smooth out the rough edges of our personnel&#8230;  something Zeke was completely unable to handle as GM.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: Beasley,

You do have to credit him a bit for being young and producing a bit: he&#039;ll probably hang around the NBA for a while. I&#039;m not a fan, though. His PER is so high because he takes a TON of shots. 
 
On top of being a bust, he&#039;s gotten worse from year 1 to 2. Could be a good buy low opportunity if he&#039;s learned the offseason work it takes, but I wouldn&#039;t take that risk personally unless the price was really cheap. 

Lewis is an interesting comparison as a &quot;stretch 4,&quot; but he was a way more efficient scorer at the same age. Beasley has a big advantage in scoring volume, but if you look at anything besides PER Lewis was the better player. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;sum=1&amp;p1=lewisra02&amp;y1=2001&amp;p2=beaslmi01&amp;y2=2010
I&#039;m very skeptical that Beasley can become a high efficiency scorer. 

A good comparison may be Antawn Jamison. Jamison is a valuable player in the league, but has been fairly low efficiency his whole career. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;sum=1&amp;p1=lewisra02&amp;y1=2001&amp;p2=beaslmi01&amp;y2=2010&amp;p3=robingl01&amp;y3=1996&amp;p4=jamisan01&amp;y4=2000

If Beasley can truly become a plus defender, maybe Rasheed Wallace, though Sheed became less efficient as time went on and he fell more and more in love with his jumper (and lost his athleticism, and smoked pounds and pounds of pot). http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;sum=1&amp;p1=beaslmi01&amp;y1=2010&amp;p2=wallara01&amp;y2=1997

I also would think about trading Chandler for Beasley... I&#039;m just still not that high on Chandler. I guess the relevant question--to borrow from the Nash v. Dirk hypothetical thrown at me--is do you take Caron Butler or Antawn Jamison? (And how likely are Chandler and Beasley to reach those respective levels?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Beasley,</p>
<p>You do have to credit him a bit for being young and producing a bit: he&#8217;ll probably hang around the NBA for a while. I&#8217;m not a fan, though. His PER is so high because he takes a TON of shots. </p>
<p>On top of being a bust, he&#8217;s gotten worse from year 1 to 2. Could be a good buy low opportunity if he&#8217;s learned the offseason work it takes, but I wouldn&#8217;t take that risk personally unless the price was really cheap. </p>
<p>Lewis is an interesting comparison as a &#8220;stretch 4,&#8221; but he was a way more efficient scorer at the same age. Beasley has a big advantage in scoring volume, but if you look at anything besides PER Lewis was the better player. <a href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&#038;sum=1&#038;p1=lewisra02&#038;y1=2001&#038;p2=beaslmi01&#038;y2=2010" rel="nofollow">http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&#038;sum=1&#038;p1=lewisra02&#038;y1=2001&#038;p2=beaslmi01&#038;y2=2010</a><br />
I&#8217;m very skeptical that Beasley can become a high efficiency scorer. </p>
<p>A good comparison may be Antawn Jamison. Jamison is a valuable player in the league, but has been fairly low efficiency his whole career. <a href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&#038;sum=1&#038;p1=lewisra02&#038;y1=2001&#038;p2=beaslmi01&#038;y2=2010&#038;p3=robingl01&#038;y3=1996&#038;p4=jamisan01&#038;y4=2000" rel="nofollow">http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&#038;sum=1&#038;p1=lewisra02&#038;y1=2001&#038;p2=beaslmi01&#038;y2=2010&#038;p3=robingl01&#038;y3=1996&#038;p4=jamisan01&#038;y4=2000</a></p>
<p>If Beasley can truly become a plus defender, maybe Rasheed Wallace, though Sheed became less efficient as time went on and he fell more and more in love with his jumper (and lost his athleticism, and smoked pounds and pounds of pot). <a href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&#038;sum=1&#038;p1=beaslmi01&#038;y1=2010&#038;p2=wallara01&#038;y2=1997" rel="nofollow">http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&#038;sum=1&#038;p1=beaslmi01&#038;y1=2010&#038;p2=wallara01&#038;y2=1997</a></p>
<p>I also would think about trading Chandler for Beasley&#8230; I&#8217;m just still not that high on Chandler. I guess the relevant question&#8211;to borrow from the Nash v. Dirk hypothetical thrown at me&#8211;is do you take Caron Butler or Antawn Jamison? (And how likely are Chandler and Beasley to reach those respective levels?)</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@24

When the Knicks made the Hill trade they were doing for the chance to get LeBron. Not to get LeBron, but for the chance. Walsh apparently decided that the mere opportunity to get the greatest player in the world is worth not having your draft pick for 4 straight seasons (Hill, 2010 was already gone, swap in 2011, and then 2012). I can&#039;t say I disagree. It&#039;s a huge risk, but even a 1% chance at LeBron is pretty sweet. 
That extra cap space lets you go whichever way LeBron wants if he picks you. 
If he doesn&#039;t pick you, then you&#039;re looking at the Ty Thomas&#039; of the world.

&quot;Ty Thomas is little better and probably fits our needs better also (shot blocker),&quot;

I would not say Thomas is better. It&#039;s not obvious that Hill is better, but I definitely would not say that Thomas&#039; PER 36 and Rate stats are better than Hill&#039;s. Hill is better besides scoring volume and shot blocking. When you account for the way D&#039;Antoni misused Hill (as a jump shooter) and his splits between NY and Houston... I would rather have Hill. 
Thomas is a good (even very good maybe) defender, but he is an awful offensive player: really low efficiency, medium TO. He settles for jumpers despite his otherworldly athleticism. And the Knicks would lose a lot of his defensive ability by playing him at the 5, which D&#039;Antoni would inevitably do because the guy can&#039;t shoot.
The only way Thomas is better is if you look at PER, which overvalues scoring volume.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24</p>
<p>When the Knicks made the Hill trade they were doing for the chance to get LeBron. Not to get LeBron, but for the chance. Walsh apparently decided that the mere opportunity to get the greatest player in the world is worth not having your draft pick for 4 straight seasons (Hill, 2010 was already gone, swap in 2011, and then 2012). I can&#8217;t say I disagree. It&#8217;s a huge risk, but even a 1% chance at LeBron is pretty sweet.<br />
That extra cap space lets you go whichever way LeBron wants if he picks you.<br />
If he doesn&#8217;t pick you, then you&#8217;re looking at the Ty Thomas&#8217; of the world.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ty Thomas is little better and probably fits our needs better also (shot blocker),&#8221;</p>
<p>I would not say Thomas is better. It&#8217;s not obvious that Hill is better, but I definitely would not say that Thomas&#8217; PER 36 and Rate stats are better than Hill&#8217;s. Hill is better besides scoring volume and shot blocking. When you account for the way D&#8217;Antoni misused Hill (as a jump shooter) and his splits between NY and Houston&#8230; I would rather have Hill.<br />
Thomas is a good (even very good maybe) defender, but he is an awful offensive player: really low efficiency, medium TO. He settles for jumpers despite his otherworldly athleticism. And the Knicks would lose a lot of his defensive ability by playing him at the 5, which D&#8217;Antoni would inevitably do because the guy can&#8217;t shoot.<br />
The only way Thomas is better is if you look at PER, which overvalues scoring volume.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@23 staratomatic,

Speaking generally about the opponent PER from 82games--i.e. not specifically about Lee--I have two big problems with it. 
1. I believe they just line the players up by theoretical position and do not actually account for who the player is guarding. If Danilo or Jared Jeffries is the second biggest guy on the court he may be assigned by 82games to the opposing PF, but he may be assigned by D&#039;Antoni to guard the PG. In this case the Knicks PF is on the PG, their PG is guarding the SG, and their SG or SF is guarding the PF.
2. I haven&#039;t actually looked at the data to see if this happens, but if you&#039;re constantly asked to guard one of the better players on the other team your opponent&#039;s PER may be high. Whereas if you&#039;re constantly hidden on defense your opponent PER may be low. Then again, problem 1 makes it unlikely that this metric will even pick up on that. This would especially apply to wings. 
A somewhat related problem is that PER isn&#039;t a perfect measure of anything. Maybe your opponent PER looks good because your offense stinks and they are getting a lot of rebounds. Maybe you are forcing your opponent into bad shots, but PER still credits them for volume because you are assigned to the other team&#039;s best scorer every night. 

Regarding Lee specifically, when you look back two seasons ago to when he last played primarily at the 4, his opponent PER matches up pretty well with Amare and Boozer and Bosh&#039;s this season (all 18-19). (This season 82games has Lee down as playing 3% of the Knicks minutes at PF and last season 4%, hardly robust samples.) If you&#039;re going to play them at the 5, I&#039;ll take Bosh or even Amare. I would also say that Bosh has more defensive potential based on his athleticism. In terms of actual production, I don&#039;t see a huge difference between the 3 of those guys if they&#039;re your PF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@23 staratomatic,</p>
<p>Speaking generally about the opponent PER from 82games&#8211;i.e. not specifically about Lee&#8211;I have two big problems with it.<br />
1. I believe they just line the players up by theoretical position and do not actually account for who the player is guarding. If Danilo or Jared Jeffries is the second biggest guy on the court he may be assigned by 82games to the opposing PF, but he may be assigned by D&#8217;Antoni to guard the PG. In this case the Knicks PF is on the PG, their PG is guarding the SG, and their SG or SF is guarding the PF.<br />
2. I haven&#8217;t actually looked at the data to see if this happens, but if you&#8217;re constantly asked to guard one of the better players on the other team your opponent&#8217;s PER may be high. Whereas if you&#8217;re constantly hidden on defense your opponent PER may be low. Then again, problem 1 makes it unlikely that this metric will even pick up on that. This would especially apply to wings.<br />
A somewhat related problem is that PER isn&#8217;t a perfect measure of anything. Maybe your opponent PER looks good because your offense stinks and they are getting a lot of rebounds. Maybe you are forcing your opponent into bad shots, but PER still credits them for volume because you are assigned to the other team&#8217;s best scorer every night. </p>
<p>Regarding Lee specifically, when you look back two seasons ago to when he last played primarily at the 4, his opponent PER matches up pretty well with Amare and Boozer and Bosh&#8217;s this season (all 18-19). (This season 82games has Lee down as playing 3% of the Knicks minutes at PF and last season 4%, hardly robust samples.) If you&#8217;re going to play them at the 5, I&#8217;ll take Bosh or even Amare. I would also say that Bosh has more defensive potential based on his athleticism. In terms of actual production, I don&#8217;t see a huge difference between the 3 of those guys if they&#8217;re your PF.</p>
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		<title>By: Droidz1979</title>
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		<dc:creator>Droidz1979</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would rather have Bosh than Thomas if i could not have them both and add Joe Johnson to complement Gallo, Chandler and Toney D for a plan B. Still, let&#039;s aim for the stars..in LEBRON we trust lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather have Bosh than Thomas if i could not have them both and add Joe Johnson to complement Gallo, Chandler and Toney D for a plan B. Still, let&#8217;s aim for the stars..in LEBRON we trust lol</p>
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		<title>By: ess-dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>ess-dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Ty Thomas,
We just had to have room for 2 max free agents going into the summer.  That was the only way any stars would possibly sign and Walsh got it done.  Yes the price was steep, but I still think he had to go for it.  Otherwise, none of us would realistically be talking about Lebron this, Bosh that...
But I guess if we miss out on the real stars, Thomas is being talked about as a fallback option.  Was that the same posting that had Walsh offering Walker and our 2 2nds to Minny for the rights to Rubio?  LOL.
Re: Beasley,
Hard to say why he&#039;s been so mediocre so far.  His rebounding hasn&#039;t translated to the NBA level.  He still could be a pretty good scorer.  He was brought into a tough situation where they wanted him to be Wade&#039;s Scottie Pippen from day 1 and it just didn&#039;t happen.  I hope he gets traded and blossoms because 1) I hate Miami and 2) I think he&#039;s basically a good guy.  I think Miami trying to put him as a sf is a bad move.  He could still be a pretty good scoring power forward like Rashard Lewis if he works at it.  Hey his PER was the same as Gallo&#039;s this year.  I would maybe trade him for Chandler (I&#039;d say they are pretty even, maybe give a slight edge to Chandler) but only if everything else doesn&#039;t pan out first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Ty Thomas,<br />
We just had to have room for 2 max free agents going into the summer.  That was the only way any stars would possibly sign and Walsh got it done.  Yes the price was steep, but I still think he had to go for it.  Otherwise, none of us would realistically be talking about Lebron this, Bosh that&#8230;<br />
But I guess if we miss out on the real stars, Thomas is being talked about as a fallback option.  Was that the same posting that had Walsh offering Walker and our 2 2nds to Minny for the rights to Rubio?  LOL.<br />
Re: Beasley,<br />
Hard to say why he&#8217;s been so mediocre so far.  His rebounding hasn&#8217;t translated to the NBA level.  He still could be a pretty good scorer.  He was brought into a tough situation where they wanted him to be Wade&#8217;s Scottie Pippen from day 1 and it just didn&#8217;t happen.  I hope he gets traded and blossoms because 1) I hate Miami and 2) I think he&#8217;s basically a good guy.  I think Miami trying to put him as a sf is a bad move.  He could still be a pretty good scoring power forward like Rashard Lewis if he works at it.  Hey his PER was the same as Gallo&#8217;s this year.  I would maybe trade him for Chandler (I&#8217;d say they are pretty even, maybe give a slight edge to Chandler) but only if everything else doesn&#8217;t pan out first.</p>
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		<title>By: stratomatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>stratomatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just read that the Knicks still have some interest in signing Ty Thomas now that Camby is gone.  I like Thomas and was all for a Harrington for Thomas trade, but someone is going to have to explain to me why we gave up Jordan Hill (on a rookie contract) + the 2012 draft pick +  a potential 2011 pick swap + the Jeffries 2011 expiring contract to bring in the more expensive Tyrus Thomas?
 
Look at their per 36 minutes numbers
 
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&amp;sum=0&amp;p1=hilljo01&amp;y1=2010&amp;p2=thomaty01&amp;y2=2010 

Ty Thomas is little better and probably fits our needs better also (shot blocker), but it seems like we gave up a lot to get rid of Jeffries on year earlier. Ty Thomas is not what I had in mind for that extra 9 million.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read that the Knicks still have some interest in signing Ty Thomas now that Camby is gone.  I like Thomas and was all for a Harrington for Thomas trade, but someone is going to have to explain to me why we gave up Jordan Hill (on a rookie contract) + the 2012 draft pick +  a potential 2011 pick swap + the Jeffries 2011 expiring contract to bring in the more expensive Tyrus Thomas?</p>
<p>Look at their per 36 minutes numbers</p>
<p><a href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&#038;sum=0&#038;p1=hilljo01&#038;y1=2010&#038;p2=thomaty01&#038;y2=2010" rel="nofollow">http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&#038;sum=0&#038;p1=hilljo01&#038;y1=2010&#038;p2=thomaty01&#038;y2=2010</a> </p>
<p>Ty Thomas is little better and probably fits our needs better also (shot blocker), but it seems like we gave up a lot to get rid of Jeffries on year earlier. Ty Thomas is not what I had in mind for that extra 9 million.</p>
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