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Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Daily News Reports Randolph Traded for Mobley and Tim Thomas

Here‘s the link.

Wow, what a day!!

Crawford, Randolph and Collins gone in one day!??!

The Knicks’ starting line-up likely looks like this now…

Duhon
Mobley
Richardson
Chandler
Harrington

with Lee maybe starting, or at least playing big minutes.

Talk about small ball!

49 comments on “Daily News Reports Randolph Traded for Mobley and Tim Thomas

  1. BigBlueAL

    Wow this may be the greatest day since they traded Cartwright for Oakley.

    Greatest day since they traded Starks and crap for Spree!!!!

    Well not greatest day for next couple of seasons though…..

  2. Brendan

    I’m blabberflasted. Flasterblagged. Flabbergasted. Gobsmacked. Stunned. Shocked. Bamfoozled. Slackjawed. Dazed.

    …the Knicks are…making me….happy?

    I need a lay-down and a drink.

  3. Phil

    I’ll prob. be in the minority…but does this actually make us just as good as before? Maybe even BETTER?

    Anyone who’s watched Crawford try to ISO his way into D’antoni’s system that he wasn’t the right type of player. And Zach, most of us (at least me) was stunned that he could perform in this system.

    Now we get a player who catches and shoots better (albeit at a much slower and older pace) in Mobley and a big man that’s actually been known to shoot the 3 in Harrington.
    So POTENTIALLY, we could roll out a line up of Harrington, Chandler, Richardson, Mobley, and Nate/Duhon, who can all shoot the 3 at a reasonable pace, spread the floor out, and all of whom can at least dribble drive.

    Am I just crazy or does this make ACTUAL bball sense?! I’m absolutely beside myself..maybe i’m just happy we’re gonna actually have cap space..

  4. BigBlueAL

    I’ll prob. be in the minority…but does this actually make us just as good as before? Maybe even BETTER?
    Anyone who’s watched Crawford try to ISO his way into D’antoni’s system that he wasn’t the right type of player. And Zach, most of us (at least me) was stunned that he could perform in this system.
    Now we get a player who catches and shoots better (albeit at a much slower and older pace) in Mobley and a big man that’s actually been known to shoot the 3 in Harrington.
    So POTENTIALLY, we could roll out a line up of Harrington, Chandler, Richardson, Mobley, and Nate/Duhon, who can all shoot the 3 at a reasonable pace, spread the floor out, and all of whom can at least dribble drive.
    Am I just crazy or does this make ACTUAL bball sense?! I’m absolutely beside myself..maybe i’m just happy we’re gonna actually have cap space..

    Lets not get carried away. Losing Jamal to me doesnt matter, but losing Zach kills their chances for making the playoffs this season IMO. Now what they do have now is much better depth. Their Top 9 players now r Duhon/Nate/Mobley/Q at Guards with Chandler/Harrington/Thomas/Jeffries/Lee. Throw in Roberson as the 10th man and the team certainly fits Coach D’s style better if nothing else….

  5. Italian Stallion

    Someone pinch me. I can’t believe this much happened all in one day. The only thing more shocking than today’s Knicks action is that the US Stock Market was actually up. LOL

  6. JK47

    All of a sudden, we have some good defensive players on the wing. Duhon/Mobley is a solid defensive backcourt and Wilson Chandler isn’t too shabby either. The trademark Isiah Thomas “shoot-all-the-time, don’t-play-defense” players are pretty much all gone now.

    Unbelievable day and you have to think that at least one of the big free agents is coming here in 2010.

  7. Count Zero

    Assuming this is true (Alan Hahn is holding back) — it’s a great cap move and a hell of a lot better than trading Randolph for a 2nd round pick, eh?

    DW — we are not worthy! ;-)

  8. Italian Stallion

    All we have to do now is get rid of Curry (or get him in shape) and I might have to contribute to the building of a statue of Walsh.

  9. Walsh in 2010

    Remember all those people who said Donnie was stupid for not trading Zach and a 1st rd pick for a 2nd rd pick. I wonder what they have to say today?

  10. mase

    “Lets not get carried away. Losing Jamal to me doesnt matter, but losing Zach kills their chances for making the playoffs this season ”

    i disagree. its addition by subtraction all around, both on defense and offense.

    we will miss z-bo’s scoring but we now have more eff.shooters and thats a key factor to the ’7 second offense’.

  11. Z

    Remember all those people who said Donnie was stupid for not trading Zach and a 1st rd pick for a 2nd rd pick. I wonder what they have to say today?

    I have to say that Walsh did the right thing. I will put my Knickerblogger pseudonym of “Fire Walsh” away for good. He realized his job was to undo the damage of his predecessor and has made great inroads.

    However– Mobley and Tim Thomas is the equivalent of trading Randolph for nothing. Neither fit in the long term plans. It is a strict salary dump. I think I’d rather have a 2nd round pick than the two of them.

    But all’s fine that ends fine.

    The Zach Randolph era (and the worst part of the Isiah Thomas era) is over!

  12. miik

    So Donnie Walsh managed to do 2 deals in one day in which he took back less total money and got equal talent in return (I can’t remember the last time that actually happened for the Knicks)… AND didn’t have to give up David Lee (or Nate or Chandler) to do it… AND still has Malik Rose’s contract to use?!?!?! Donnie Walsh for Executive of the Year!

  13. dave crockett

    Wow, my head is spinning. The cap implications of today’s deals are clear. So in some ways there shouldn’t be much else to say about this deal.

    And yet… I’ll be damned if I’m not feeling a twinge of nostalgia.

    To Jamal: you’re a likable kid, destined to be something of a basketball vagabond, which ain’t a horrible life if you get with the right team. Your one meaningful shot at getting the kind of coaching that could help turn you into something more than a high-volume gunner died when Larry Brown turned out to be just as crazy as his bosses. Too bad.

    To Zach: We hardly knew ye. Hope you rented rather than bought.

    To Mardy: I hope you invested wisely and kept your passport updated.

    To Al Harrington: Some post-up play would be nice.

    To Tim Thomas: I bet you a dollar Marbury still won’t talk to you.

    To Cutino Mobley: Do NOT call Steve Francis and ask about his experience in New York. How many times in your life have you ever been on a team with a shorter guard?

  14. Brian Cronin

    Remember all those people who said Donnie was stupid for not trading Zach and a 1st rd pick for a 2nd rd pick. I wonder what they have to say today?

    I do not remember many people, if any, saying that Walsh was dumb for turning down a Zach and a first rounder for a second rounder.

    People only complained when they felt that it was just Zach for a second rounder, which is basically the same thing as this deal.

  15. Ray

    Cuttino has actually been having a decent season…and i think hes better defensively. Wow , the team was kind of blown up today. Pieces everywhere. Im still looking for some picks but the salary shed is great. We are now in prime position to land LeBron and stay competitive at the same time. We just need to start developing young talent like Danillo and Wilson. MAkes me wish Danillo was healthy right now so he could get some quality minutes. Might Marbury play tonight?? Is Donnie done dealing??

  16. jon abbey

    man, Tim Thomas and Cuttino Mobley are two of my least favorite players in the league, but I’m still happy.

    so, we’re looking at this lineup, once everyone clears physicals and Jeffries is back:

    Jeffries
    Harrington
    Chandler
    Mobley
    Duhon

    with Nate, Lee, Q, and Thomas off the bench.

    I really really wish Walsh could have gotten Camby instead of Thomas, they don’t need both him and Kaman, but I guess beggers can’t be choosers…

  17. teddd99

    Tim Thomas rec’d his current contract after he played some the best basketball of his career playing for D’Antoni during the 2005-06 playoffs. This situation will probably fit his game well.

  18. jon abbey

    heh, on Camby, from the LA Times:

    “Earlier in the week, talks stalled when the Knicks wanted Marcus Camby in the deal.”

    ok, fair enough, at least you gave it a shot, Donnie. good job!

  19. Ray

    Will Marbury suit up tonight?? I mean why not? Let the man ball and maybe we can up his value and get a pick in return for him. Obviously it wont be a high pick but it would most likely be a pick from a team that is playoff caliber. If we pay his salary until february and trade him wont it lessen the financial burden on the receiving team?

  20. Z

    The Clips are going to trade Kaman for Wallace perhaps.

    I feel like the Clips would have taken Jamal too. Walsh really wanted Harrington, though.

    And Brian– I think I went on record saying I’d pay the 1st rounder to get rid of Zach (back in July). But I am an admitted irrational Randolph hater.

    In the end we traded Trevor Ariza and Channing Frye for nothing. (Oh– except we also got a few years of horrid, groan-inducing basketball at MSG as well). Hell– let’s call it a wash.

  21. Brian Cronin

    And Brian– I think I went on record saying I’d pay the 1st rounder to get rid of Zach (back in July). But I am an admitted irrational Randolph hater.

    There’s a big difference between begrudgingly doing a deal and saying Walsh is stupid for not doing it.

    That’s what I’m disputing – the notion that folks were ripping Walsh for not trading Z-Bo and a first for a second. I think that’s a straw man.

  22. Walsh in 2010

    It is not the same deal. He got rid of Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins, and he got some players he can use now instead of a useless 2nd rounder. And the cap space. And Crawford is gone too. Walsh totally destroyed the other deal.

  23. jon abbey

    “People only complained when they felt that it was just Zach for a second rounder, which is basically the same thing as this deal.
    Reply to this comment.”

    yes, exactly, and in fact this one is arguably worse, since the other one would have opened up roster spots and allowed us to try out some young projects like Patrick Ewing Jr. but possibly that was never on the table, tough to say.

  24. jon abbey

    Will Marbury suit up tonight?? I mean why not? Let the man ball and maybe we can up his value and get a pick in return for him. Obviously it wont be a high pick but it would most likely be a pick from a team that is playoff caliber. If we pay his salary until february and trade him wont it lessen the financial burden on the receiving team?

    I’d like to see a single proposed Marbury trade that makes any sense whatsoever for both teams. his salary is just too big, and when you combine that with NY’s unwillingness to take any contracts past next season, I’d say there’s a zero percent chance this is possible.

  25. Z

    “I’d like to see a single proposed Marbury trade that makes any sense whatsoever for both teams…”

    Marbury to SAC for Miller and Kenny Thomas.

    Marbury to CLE for any combination of Szczerbiak, Wallace, and Snow

    Marbury to CHI for Hughes and Gooden.

    That’s about it. It saves all the other teams money. CHI and SAC would probably waive him. CLE might use him for the year while saving @20 mil.

  26. Knicks Fan

    This deal isn’t worse. With the other deal you would give up a 1st round draft pick and wouldn’t get as much cap relief.

  27. Kikuchiyo

    Which Tim Thomas do we think of when we think of Tim Thomas?

    1. The Tim Thomas who taunted the Nets while in street clothes as the Nets swept the Knicks in their last playoff appearance?

    2. The Tim Thomas who, under D’Antoni, scored like crazy for the Suns in their ill-fated playoff run a couple years ago?

    3. One of the other bizarrely up-and-down Tim Thomases, who knows exactly how to infuriate fans with a mixture of one part talent and two parts moron?

  28. Z

    I will also say that the package of Mobley and Fugazi is better than the package of Darko and Marko– considering we get to dump Mardy Collins as well.

  29. Duff Soviet Union

    I am one of the very few non Knick fans on this board, and I’ll just say that I’m glad things seem to finally be turning around for you guys. You certainly deserve it after the last decade or so. Hopefully this isn’t a(nother) false dawn.

  30. jon abbey

    “I’d like to see a single proposed Marbury trade that makes any sense whatsoever for both teams…”
    Marbury to SAC for Miller and Kenny Thomas.
    Marbury to CLE for any combination of Szczerbiak, Wallace, and Snow
    Marbury to CHI for Hughes and Gooden.
    That’s about it. It saves all the other teams money. CHI and SAC would probably waive him. CLE might use him for the year while saving @20 mil.

    that’s better than I thought, but I don’t think any of those three deals make sense for NY. none of those players have any future with NY as we attempt to rebuild almost entirely.

  31. Tom G

    Go to all of the blogs. People were bagging Walsh left and right for not doing ANY trade that got rid of Randolph. Remember they wanted Zach Randolph, AND $3 million dollars, AND a first round pick. IN RETURN we would get a 2nd round pick. There is no comparison. Even compared to the 2nd round pick, this is the better deal! By a long shot. They get rid of Zach Randolph, Malik Rose, Crawford and save $27 million.

  32. jon abbey

    I can only speak for this site, and on this site, that’s not what happened. when we thought the deal Walsh turned down was Randolph for a second rounder, we mostly ripped him. once it came out that the deal (allegedly) involved a first rounder from our side, people mostly backed off.

    and we still have Malik Rose, not sure what you’re talking about there.

  33. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, “people ripped Walsh for not making any trade” is a total straw man.

    Yeah, we wanted Walsh to trade Z-Bo. In fact, most people wanted him to make the deal he eventually did do. But not many people wanted to deal Z-Bo and the first, and the relatively few people who did certainly were not ripping Walsh for not doing it.

  34. Z

    Yeah, “people ripped Walsh for not making any trade” is a total straw man.
    Yeah, we wanted Walsh to trade Z-Bo. In fact, most people wanted him to make the deal he eventually did do. But not many people wanted to deal Z-Bo and the first, and the relatively few people who did certainly were not ripping Walsh for not doing it.

    These are the threads for anyone interested in reliving the past–

    http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=806

    http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=808

  35. jon abbey

    Thomas B and any other Marbury defenders, chew on this little nugget of gristle from our $21 million piece of shit:

    ===========================================

    “When the trade went down this afternoon, I sat down with him and I said, ‘Look Steph, one of the principals is gone, Jamal Crawford, there’s 30-35 minutes out there and they’re yours if you want them. Are you ready?’ ” Mike D’Antoni noted. “He said the direction of the team went in a different direction. He wasn’t comfortable with the situation and he did not want to play.”

    http://knicks.lohudblogs.com/

  36. jon abbey

    Marbury is one of the three highest paid players in the entire NBA, behind Garnett and tied with Iverson. shouldn’t he at least be docked a game pay for that? WTF?

  37. Matthew

    Brian, you’re not a big believer in opportunity cost are you? It’s like people who hold onto a mediocre stock for months or years because they refuse to sell for less than they bought, when if they had just bit the bullet early on they could have rebounded by now.

    This slightly better trade wasn’t worth the opportunity cost, IMO.

  38. Dave

    Wow …. I’m blown away by how good these two trades are. Excellent work by Donnie Walsh and he has my support for Executive of the Year.

    Very excited about the Knicks future now.

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