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Monday, September 1, 2014

Bulls 108, Knicks 101

Chicago Bulls 108 Final
Recap | Box Score
101 New York Knicks
Kurt Thomas, PF 9 MIN | 3-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 6 PTS | -10

Kurt Thomas was leading the Knicks in scoring well into the second quarter, right around the time an alligator sorcerer was giving birth to a twin chainsaws on my spice rack. At least he made the most of his limited action, though you could argue that the liability he poses on the defensive end make whatever he gives at the other end tainted found money.

Carmelo Anthony, SF 45 MIN | 14-32 FG | 7-9 FT | 8 REB | 5 AST | 39 PTS | -2

I probably would’ve rolled out wearing a string necklace packed so tight with Honey Nut Cheerios that little crumbs would flicker off like a comet tail and I’d look like a goddam superhero. I understand how this product marketing stuff works.

Anyway, there was some penance to be paid for leaving the boys high and dry in last night’s Indy swamp slog, but apparently Melo’s got some kind of Money Mutual deal going on, because his was night largely rife with rust and shit. Pressing would be an understatement; every shot looked belabored, every rebound a halfhearted affair (though he grabbed a good many of them). The naked attempt to make up for missing Thursday’s loss backfired terribly, as the Bulls’ stringent D kept the Knick offense operating mostly on the perimeter and allowed mostly late shot clock prayers. That late flurry was a beautiful exercise in stat-padding and face-saving, but you had to wonder where that fire and strength was at the onset. I get he was probably still reeling from Monday night and trying to get back to a psychological even-keel of sorts, but a dash of intelligently-tempered anger — at KG, at the league, at General Mills, what the hell ever — would’ve been nice.

Tyson Chandler, C 38 MIN | 3-8 FG | 3-6 FT | 18 REB | 2 AST | 9 PTS | -5

It’s way too easy to fall into the trap of nailing Chandler for mere guilt by association during these sorts of things, if only because he’s the last guy you see when the opponent just pirouettes unmolested for a layup in the lane. Which is why it’s always helpful and instructive to check the box score at half time, if only to realize that Tyson is actually the only guy consistently giving a shit. Without a floor general capable of getting far enough in the paint to force help from the opposition, Chandler has lately been compelled to make his living off the much more difficult prospects of deeper lobs and off-ball rolls.

Tyson was much better at keeping Noah from wreaking havoc, particularly on the boards, and only really got burned on a pair outside jumpers that anyone in the universe would’ve given him anyway. This much-needed stretch centered around the team’s London sojourn should do as much good for Tyson as anybody – his gait still looks garish, and the look on his face is one of a man two more losses away from this.

Jason Kidd, PG 20 MIN | 0-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -21

You know it would start to happen sooner or later: Minus their best penetrator and… *gulp*… creator, Kidd isn’t getting nearly the kind of clean looks that marked the season’s early going, and tonight was no exception. The match-up with Kirk Heinrich was mostly a wash – save for a couple of early drives on the begoggled Kansan’s part, not much damage done on this front – and Kidd’s spare 20 minutes was probably a wise move given how the game unfolded, i.e. like a blanket made of burnt hair and rancid meat.

Ronnie Brewer, SF DNP COACH’S DECISION MIN | FG | FT | REB | AST | PTS |

Thought it’d be funny to crap in coach’s Quaker Oats. It wasn’t.

James White, SG 17 MIN | 4-7 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 11 PTS | -4

“James, come over here for a second, will ya?… How we doin’ today, Flight? Did anyone ever tell you you look like Screamin’ Jay Hawkins? He was a little before your time, but… Well, anyway, Flight… *Flight leaves the conversation, dunks from three point line* JAMES! GET YOUR ASS OVER HERE!…. Now James, you’re starting to tonight over Ronnie. It’s a long story. OK it’s really not he just thought it’d be funny to shit in my oatmeal. I’m just lucky I saw it in time. I eat oatmeal out of an industrial mixing, you see. At the end of the day, it’s got to be your most important meal. Anyway, your job is to grab on to Rip Hamilton’s drawstring and chase him around the court while Noah and Boozer put their forearms and shoulders into your face. Then just camp out in the corner on offense and try to not fall asleep. Now I saw you were a little long with your jumper in shoot-around – take a bit off of it, will ya? Alright, do me proud. And don’t mention the oatmeal thing to Sheed. I don’t want him getting any ideas.”

Amar’e Stoudemire, PF 19 MIN | 2-4 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 5 PTS | -11

Another game, another 20 or so minutes of waiting in vain for some signs that Stat’s brain hasn’t joined his legs in rapid atrophy. There’s a big difference between getting lost on screens and switches – which he does all the time, obviously – and not even trying to contest shots in the paint when the guy you’re guarding has the ball for more than a full second. The former is an intelligence and awareness issue; the latter is one of pride. We can survive and mask one. The other could well be the death of us – and a career.

Patience is still very much the order, however. It’s January, and even our last two Finals teams endured 5-8 stretches around this same time before putting it together and bludgeoning their way back to contention. But the sheer gravity of what Amare’s piss-poor performances means – for the here and now, for the Playoffs, and for the next two fucking years oh my God I’m going to choke myself out – is pretty hard to ignore. Amar’e was right when he said “the Knicks are back.” We just didn’t think he’d be leaving so soon. Also, one rebound in 19 minutes? That’s Rik Smits territory.

Chris Copeland, SF 6 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | +1

Yeesh. Talk about a short leash. Sure he missed a few early shots and got lost a bit in Chicago’s ball movement blizzard, but it just seems like Woodson is looking for a reason to yank Cope. Which is strange, considering he’s legitimately our third best scoring option, at this point – and by a pretty huge margin, too. Maybe I’m looking too far into this, but I’d be curious to hear Woody’s thoughts on why we’re still betting on extended minutes of Kurt Thomas and Amar’e paying offensive dividends, when the evidence screams otherwise.

Oh, I have a perfect anagram for this: COACH NERDS LIP

Steve Novak, SF 17 MIN | 2-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 6 PTS | +19

If one of those toddlers you sometimes see riding Big Wheels at halftime tried to roll past Novak in the paint, I bet he’d turn half-sideways and try to shield himself from harm as if he were the last thing standing between Vince Wilfork and a pick six. Thanks for the threes though, really. Did you know Steve Novak’s $24,000 per three? It’s true.

Pablo Prigioni, PG 30 MIN | 5-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 8 AST | 12 PTS | +5

Pretty huge give and take for Prigs, who coupled a relatively effective offensive showing – a pair of threes, and some purposeful, fearless drives – with a peck of ill-timed turnovers. Like the Pacers, the Bulls are not Javentut or Picadero. They get in your face and into your shorts and molest you into bad decisions, and Prigs still hasn’t quite gotten used to that style of play. With Felton still weeks away from full mending, We’re going to need more outings like this from Pabs – minus the turnovers, of course. Fantastic!

J.R. Smith, SG 39 MIN | 4-17 FG | 4-4 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 13 PTS | -7

Sources tell me J.R. actually got a hold of Mark Paul Gossler and had him freeze time during the game so he could go clubbing – an NBA first, a J.R. first, a first for humankind, really. The only way to describe this one is Starksian; you admire the pride and the determined belief that the next one will fall true, but Earl was off by miles for most of the night. Combined with a few episodes of lazy D in the early going, it just wasn’t fixing to be the bounce-back performance we were hoping for or banking on. He did splice in a few nice takes, and the tenacity seldom waned. Just one of those nights, I guess.

Rasheed Wallace, PF DNP SORE LEFT FOOT MIN | FG | FT | REB | AST | PTS |

I don’t care if you have a giant Duplo instead of a foot, you’re still better than Kurt. Please get well.

Five Things We Saw

  1. Another Friday, another sweet serenade from Robert Randolph and the Soul Crushers, another basketball snuff film of a first quarter. Sooner or later Woodson has to realize the ostensible defensive give of having Thomas – or even Camby, for that matter – isn’t near enough to erase the fact that that lineup is complete garbage on offense. For a while we could suspend our disbelief and allow for some fox-smart strategy, but really, who are we kidding at this point?
  2. The Bockers once again held their own on the glass in out-rebounding their second top tear team in as many days. Which is good, because if they hadn’t, this game might’ve ended up at 120-57 or something. As far as silver linings go, it doesn’t get much slighter than this, but it’s January and the Knicks are struggling and I’d probably cling on to rope that was on fire at this point.
  3. Derrick Rose may still be weeks or even months away from a full return, but if and when he does, this team could be an absolute postseason nightmare for just about anyone in the East. The reason being that, in D-Rose’s absence, Thibs has done a masterful job of instilling in his squad an almost preternatural desire to share the ball. The way the thing whips around the court – into the post, out again, skip to the weak side, hitting the flasher, finding the baseline cutter – is really a sight to behold, and one of the main reasons the Knicks have struggled to stop them. They’re patient, and they don’t give two shits in the world about bringing the shot clock down to one or two seconds, so long as they get a clean look – a scenario that unfolded to a perfect T on a number of occasions in this one.
  4. The Bulls were hitting their shots, yes – 57% on the night – but a lot of those came on looks from mid-range and deep that were only cursorily contested. Melo in particular looked like he was falling into the classic trap of daring his man – Deng, in many a case – to shoot, banking on someone who’s been a pretty average shooter falling down to earth. Which didn’t happen.
  5. So that makes three in a row, and six of their last nine. As many have already pointed out, the ‘Bockers incendiary start owed to a series of long bets that the house is finally starting to call in – the ridiculous three point shooting, engaged defense, and contributions from the roster’s nether corners. That doesn’t mean there isn’t room for some kind of even-ing out. After all, this roster is far from healthy, and if you subscribe in even a marginal way to the credo that good defense can spark your offense, just the return of Shumpert – now seemingly imminent – could do for us what Avery Bradley’s return has managed to do for those #$@%s up north. But even that re-emphasis on defense is its own gambit, of sorts. The craft might be 70 or 80 or even 90% desire and effort over skill, but that skill isn’t for total naught. Which is really going far too long to say that this team has flaws, and for the most part we know what they are: Inconsistent defense, and an offense careening back to the mean like a crap comet.

41 comments on “Bulls 108, Knicks 101

  1. jon abbey

    Shumpert will travel to London, might play there, he is cleared to go. not sure why he won’t play tomorrow, they sure could use even a rusty Shumpie…

  2. hoolahoop

    Douglas: And who’s going to break down the defense to initiate said ball movement? Kidd is too slow. Prigs is no threat to score on the drive.

    After this game, lol. I will never say anything bad about Ray-Ray again. I have now realized the centrality of his importance to Woodson’s offense. Suddenly his chucking doesn’t look so bad.

    There you go again. Oh sure, Felton is going to save the day.
    You don’t hear that excuse from Chicago playing without their MVP PG. It didn’t stop Boston from moving the ball against the knicks, minus the best distributor in the east.
    Sure, Ray is an intergral cog to the machine, but that’s minutiae. the knicks problems are much bigger than his absence.
    JR breaks down the defense as good as anyone, and therein lies the problem. It’s a series of one-on-one contests. Head down, hero ball. It’s a contagious disease. Melo has the antidote. When he plays all out team ball, this engine purrs . . . even without Ray.
    Move the ball!

  3. nicos

    hoolahoop: There you go again. Oh sure, Felton is going to save the day.
    You don’t hear that excuse from Chicago playing without their MVP PG. It didn’t stop Boston from moving the ball against the knicks, minus the best distributor in the east.
    Sure, Ray is an intergral cog to the machine, but that’s minutiae. the knicks problems are much bigger than his absence.
    JR breaks down the defense as good as anyone, and therein lies the problem. It’s a series of one-on-one contests. Head down, hero ball. It’s a contagious disease. Melo has the antidote. When he plays all out team ball, this engine purrs . . . even without Ray.
    Move the ball!

    Melo generates ball movement by drawing early doubles- he’s a very good and very willing passer out of double teams- but last night Chicago played him straight up with Deng for the most part. Usually Melo will just destroy single coverage (like he did in the second half) but in first he struggled and without anyone else to break down the defense, the offense just ground to a halt. JR can penetrate and while he’s been pretty effective running the side pnr this year, he’s primarily looking to score when he drives. Kidd can’t penetrate, Prigs won’t, so there aren’t many other options. I think Amar’e can be effective in the post- he’s played three straight games against very good defensive teams and gotten good looks out of it without a single turnover- but he’s not physically ready to be a steady second option let alone the first. And unlike Melo, even if he does start drawing doubles in the post he’s not going to make those great skip passes that Melo does that force the extreme rotations that really get the ball moving.

  4. flossy

    Didn’t catch last night’s game, but can anyone explain why the Knicks aren’t making more of an effort to initiate the offense through Melo in the post? That’s one way to draw doubles and force rotations that doesn’t require a PG to be able to get into the paint, just throw a good entry pass. If teams front Melo in the post, that should leave the backdoor open. I know establishing good post position against a tough defense is hard, but so is winning games when you’re mostly throwing up bad shots out of iso plays from the perimeter, you know?

  5. ruruland

    hoolahoop: There you go again. Oh sure, Felton is going to save the day.
    You don’t hear that excuse from Chicago playing without their MVP PG. It didn’t stop Boston from moving the ball against the knicks, minus the best distributor in the east.
    Sure, Ray is an intergral cog to the machine, but that’s minutiae. the knicks problems are much bigger than his absence.
    JR breaks down the defense as good as anyone, and therein lies the problem. It’s a series of one-on-one contests. Head down, hero ball. It’s a contagious disease. Melo has the antidote. When he plays all out team ball, this engine purrs . . . even without Ray.
    Move the ball!

    lmao

    The Knicks scored 101 points against the Bulls (great defensive team), with JR Smith, Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd and Amar’e Stoudemire shooting a combined 9-37.

    Melo’s other supporting cast was Kurt Thomas, James White, Pablo Prigioni, Steve Novak, and Chris Copeland — all of whom will likely be out of the rotation in a few weeks.

    What did the Bulls have?

    Three bigs who can shoot, pass offensive rebound and finish at the basket, three guards who can drive, finish and kick — and aren’t afraid to shoot.

    Two wings who move very well off the ball.

    Those are the elements of balance.

    A healthy Amar’e and Felton gets the Knicks much closer to balanced.

    The ball movement was great with Felton. Ball gets created from penetration or double teams — Nicos is right.

  6. ruruland

    flossy:
    Didn’t catch last night’s game, but can anyone explain why the Knicks aren’t making more of an effort to initiate the offense through Melo in the post?That’s one way to draw doubles and force rotations that doesn’t require a PG to be able to get into the paint, just throw a good entry pass.If teams front Melo in the post, that should leave the backdoor open.I know establishing good post position against a tough defense is hard, but so is winning games when you’re mostly throwing up bad shots out of iso plays from the perimeter, you know?

    Team front Melo and the Knicks can’t execute. The Buls were bringing late doubles, but Melo beat them a few times when they came too early.

    The Melo/Chandler pnr is unstoppable, was last night, and they didn’t run it nearly enough.

    I have no idea why they don’t run that like 40 times a game instead of saving for when they’re down or at the end of close games.

  7. jon abbey

    ruruland:

    The Knicks scored 101 points against the Bulls (great defensive team)

    so misleading, they scored 60 through the first 3 and then 41 in a garbage time 4th quarter.

  8. ruruland

    jon abbey: so misleading, they scored 60 through the first 3 and then 41 in a garbage time 4th quarter.

    My point was that they really shouldn’t have scored much anyway, and the only reason they scored anything respectable was Melo.

  9. maxwell_3g

    hoolahoop: There you go again. Oh sure, Felton is going to save the day.
    You don’t hear that excuse from Chicago playing without their MVP PG. It didn’t stop Boston from moving the ball against the knicks, minus the best distributor in the east.
    Sure, Ray is an intergral cog to the machine, but that’s minutiae. the knicks problems are much bigger than his absence.
    JR breaks down the defense as good as anyone, and therein lies the problem. It’s a series of one-on-one contests. Head down, hero ball. It’s a contagious disease. Melo has the antidote. When he plays all out team ball, this engine purrs . . . even without Ray.
    Move the ball!

    while I truly believe that we miss felton more than most knick fans ever anticipated… i must admit that you make some valid points. i think we really do miss raymond, but we certainly could deal with his absense better all the same. and yes, ball movement is the key

  10. maxwell_3g

    i also am starting to become more frustrated with novak. while his shooting is great, the reality is that teams dont leave guys open to launch 3 after 3 in the payoffs, unless they are a threat to drive. im not saying he shouldnt play, but if he is going to be out there, he needs to give us some defense. i know he has limitations, but other 3 pont specialists around the league have the same limitations (korver, etc). what do a lot of them do on d? stand in the lane and let themselves get run over when more athletic players leave their feet in the lane. im the first one to yell at the refs for calling bs charges, but they do call them still. and novak never tries to plant in there and take it. he is alwys ducking, or standing sideways, or weakly trying to inentionally grab the scorer’s shooting arm. am i asking too much for him to stand with his feet outside the circle, watch athletic players launch themselves, and then get run over by said player?

  11. ruruland

    maxwell_3g: while I truly believe that we miss felton more than most knick fans ever anticipated… i must admit that you make some valid points.i think we really do miss raymond, but we certainly could deal with his absense better all the same.and yes, ball movement is the key

    How do you get ball movement?

  12. Nick C.

    ruruland: How do you get ball movement?

    The bothersome thing is how with our supposedly deep team, one average NBA starter goes out and the offense gets flummoxed more often than is desirable.

  13. ruruland

    Nick C.: The bothersome thing is how with our supposedly deep team, one average NBA starter goes out and the offense gets flummoxed more often than is desirable.

    There is no other consistent dribble penetration threat on the roster. Most teams don’t have that problem.

  14. jon abbey

    it’s not just one starter, it’s both starting guards, since Shumpert would and will be the starting SG if he had been healthy all year. Kidd cannot play starter’s minutes anymore. if this wasn’t clear a few weeks ago, it’s sure as hell clear now.

  15. Nick C.

    But Shumpert wouldn’t really provide a penetration threat unless you think Kidd can for limited stretches. Now defense is a whole ‘nother story.

  16. ruruland

    BigBlueAL:
    Suns are up 14 early in the 4th in Chicago.WTF??

    B2B plus last night’s jump shooting was an outlier, close to an extreme outlier.

  17. Robtachi

    Well that sure put some shit in perspective. Bulls get rolled in their own building by a terrible team on the second of a back-to-back, shooting 38%, less than 24 hours after shooting 57% against a superior team in hostile territory.

    It’s a long, crazy season, people. Let’s just see if the Knicks can kick this crappy habit they’re forming.

  18. ruruland

    Robtachi:
    Well that sure put some shit in perspective.Bulls get rolled in their own building by a terrible team on the second of a back-to-back, shooting 38%, less than 24 hours after shooting 57% against a superior team in hostile territory.

    It’s a long, crazy season, people. Let’s just see if the Knicks can kick this crappy habit they’re forming.

    16-25 on mid-range shots, 44 % from 3.

    A lot of time the game comes down to hot and cold shooting nights.

  19. jon abbey

    how about WAS beating ATL and DAL beating MEM by 30 right now? somehow we are still 7th in Hollinger’s rankings but man do we need a win tomorrow.

  20. d-mar

    The NBA season is really long with lots of ups and downs for every team, the Grizzlies are getting their asses kicked by the Mavs tonight and the Bulls got waxed at home by Phoenix. We just need to stabilize the next few games, get healthy and go from there.

  21. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland: There is no other consistent dribble penetration threat on the roster. Most teams don’t have that problem.

    guess which team has the exact same problem as the Knicks?

    the Bulls, and they just a**raped the Knicks.

    dribble penetration isn’t everything, if it is possible to move the ball with Kirk freaking Hinrich playing 38 minutes on a game, it is possible too with Kidd + Prigioni + JR Smith or whoever else.

    Felton won’t save this team.

    what could save this team is to PLAY DEFENSE and move the ball.

    Chicago is missing Derrick Rose, an MVP-caliber player, and they are able to move the ball beautifully… and we’re lacking Raymond Felton and playing stagnant ball.

    Amare is the most irritating player on defense in the NBA, his absolute lack of effort is sickening.

    and I thoroughly disagree that this is a loss that was about hot and cold nights, it wasn’t. it was about a team reverting back to its old ways (give Melo the ball and get out of the way) and playing terrible defense.

    this team has shown that it has the ability to play much better than this, and I hope it gets back to it.

  22. d-mar

    d-mar:
    The NBA season is really long with lots of ups and downs for every team, the Grizzlies are getting their asses kicked by the Mavs tonight and the Bulls got waxed at home by Phoenix. We just need to stabilize the next few games, get healthy and go from there.

    Forgot to mention Clippers lost at home to the Magic, strange night in the NBA

  23. maxwell_3g

    ruruland: How do you get ball movement?

    we have to stop trying to force it to melo, for starters and everyone needs to be aggressive offensively. i agree with you that we should also be running melo/ chandler pick and rolls to helo get melo in the paint and get the defense into help mode. but lets face it, the bulls and pacers are also very good def teams

  24. maxwell_3g

    jon abbey:
    it’s not just one starter, it’s both starting guards, since Shumpert would and will be the starting SG if he had been healthy all year. Kidd cannot play starter’s minutes anymore. if this wasn’t clear a few weeks ago, it’s sure as hell clear now.

    i think kidd COULD play 30 minutes, but definately not as the lead guard. he is fine as the sg, able to guard shooting guards (as long as they are not kemba walker type hybrids) and spot up shooting on offense. unfortunately, our currrent roster and injuries forces him into a different role

  25. AvonBarksdale

    Novak should’ve kept his mouth shut he can’t talk shit if the bulls see us in the playoffs Nate Robinson will have even more of a reason to light us up, for all his antics Nate was a better knick then Novak currently is, and it’s obvious the team feels his defensive lapses are a distraction, he is talking a lot of shit for someone who def. isn’t as skilled or talented a player. His minutes are disturbing especially cause we have no ball movement. I am shocked he is smiling after taking such an ass whooping, not that he needs to act like a sad sack but get gritty you bitch I second the poster who asked why he can’t take a charge at least once a game. Fuck!!!! He can’t even whip out the belt anyway.

  26. Will the Thrill

    The Bulls’ amazing shooting against us was not just them getting lucky, they were open shots. Plus, we could not score AT ALL through the first 3 quarters; basically not until the game was already over, so our defense was hardly the only problem.

  27. Douglas

    Will the Thrill:
    The Bulls’ amazing shooting against us was not just them getting lucky, they were open shots. Plus, we could not score AT ALL through the first 3 quarters; basically not until the game was already over, so our defense was hardly the only problem.

    Phoenix is 26th in defensive efficiency. Did the Bulls’ jump shooting wilt in the face of such a juggernaut?

  28. nicos

    Bruno Almeida: guess which team has the exact same problem as the Knicks?

    the Bulls, and they just a**raped the Knicks.

    dribble penetration isn’t everything, if it is possible to move the ball with Kirk freaking Hinrich playing 38 minutes on a game, it is possible too with Kidd + Prigioni + JR Smith or whoever else.

    Felton won’t save this team.

    what could save this team is to PLAY DEFENSE and move the ball.

    Chicago is missing Derrick Rose, an MVP-caliber player, and they are able to move the ball beautifully… and we’re lacking Raymond Felton and playing stagnant ball.

    That beautiful ball movement offense of the Bulls ranks 18th in the league so I’m not sure they’re the team the Knicks should look to emulate on offense. They run a ton of curl plays designed to generate mid-range jumpers- the least efficient shot in basketball. The Knicks don’t really have the personnel for that anyway- Kidd and Novak are far more effective spotting up than coming off of screens (and both are so slow they have a hard time running guys off of screens anyway). The Knicks two best catch and shoot guys are JR and Melo and with Felton out they’re forced to initiate the offense most of the time and can’t run those plays even if they wanted to.

  29. ruruland

    Will the Thrill:
    The Bulls’ amazing shooting against us was not just them getting lucky, they were open shots. Plus, we could not score AT ALL through the first 3 quarters; basically not until the game was already over, so our defense was hardly the only problem.

    They made open shots, they made contested shots.

    I wouldn’t say their number of open shots was particularly alarming. there were too many than you’d want, sure.

  30. jon abbey

    maxwell_3g: i think kidd COULD play 30 minutes, but definately not as the lead guard.he is fine as the sg, able to guard shooting guards (as long as they are not kemba walker type hybrids) and spot up shooting on offense.unfortunately, our currrent roster and injuries forces him into a different role

    he can play 30 minutes occasionally, but not every night.

  31. ruruland

    maxwell_3g: we have to stop trying to force it to melo, for starters and everyone needs to be aggressive offensively.i agree with you that we should also be running melo/ chandler pick and rolls to helo get melo in the paint and get the defense into help mode.but lets face it, the bulls and pacers are also very good def teams

    Aggressive in what way?

    Chandler isn’t going to start posting defenders up or taking anything that isn’t a lob or put-back.

    Thomas can shoot a wide-open mid-range jumper.

    White took what the defensive gave him.

    Kidd and Prigs? I mean, the guys are who they are. I don’t understand what get more aggressive means.

    Melo and Smith and when Amar’e is in have to create pretty much everything, outside of an occasional Prigioni drive and kick.

  32. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: guess which team has the exact same problem as the Knicks?

    the Bulls, and they just a**raped the Knicks.

    dribble penetration isn’t everything, if it is possible to move the ball with Kirk freaking Hinrich playing 38 minutes on a game, it is possible too with Kidd + Prigioni + JR Smith or whoever else.

    Felton won’t save this team.

    what could save this team is to PLAY DEFENSE and move the ball.

    Chicago is missing Derrick Rose, an MVP-caliber player, and they are able to move the ball beautifully… and we’re lacking Raymond Felton and playing stagnant ball.

    Amare is the most irritating player on defense in the NBA, his absolute lack of effort is sickening.

    and I thoroughly disagree that this is a loss that was about hot and cold nights, it wasn’t. it was about a team reverting back to its old ways (give Melo the ball and get out of the way) and playing terrible defense.

    this team has shown that it has the ability to play much better than this, and I hope it gets back to it.

    Some of it was bad defense, certainly as the game progressed it was.

    A lot of was a hot shooting night and the Bulls playing extra energized because of it.

    Again, you don’t create meaningful ball movement unless you can get the defense away from the ball in some way.

    The Bulls get good penetration from their guards compared to what Kidd and Prigs provide. Robinson, Hinrich and Bellinelli all came hard off screens and created plays .

    Their bigs can shoot, create offense in the post and pass. You have to guard them outside the paint.

    Their wings play off of it all on off-ball screens.

    The Bulls have a lot more capable offensive players on their team — the Knicks feature a lot of very limited offensive players who excel in 1-2 areas.

    Felton, Melo and to a lesser extent Smith/Prigs create those chances for…

  33. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin:
    The Pacers and Nets are waaaaaaaaay too close for comfort in the standings.

    Still not that worried about the Nets. If Knicks beat them on MLK day then they win the season series vs them which clinches the tie-breaker.

  34. maxwell_3g

    ruruland: Aggressive in what way?

    Chandler isn’t going to start posting defenders up or taking anything that isn’t a lob or put-back.

    Thomas can shoot a wide-open mid-range jumper.

    White took what the defensive gave him.

    Kidd and Prigs? I mean, the guys are who they are. I don’t understand what get more aggressive means.

    Melo and Smith and when Amar’e is in have to create pretty much everything, outside of an occasional Prigioni drive and kick.

    i think there are a few knicks who could step it up on offense instead of leaving everything to melo and smith. obviously, this is where you would think amare (assuming he has his legs back) should be able to give you 20. also, Im dissapointed prigs doesnt do more. he needs to be a threat on offense to take the pressure off of others. i dont think its asking too much. i know he is pass first, but now the situation requires him to score some. there areplenty of backup points in the league that can put in 15-20 points when the game demands it. finally, i think copeland is capable of giving us some offensewith shots and/or penetration if he can get on the court. everyone cannot just expect melo ad jr to do everything on that end

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