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Thursday, July 18, 2019

A Spring Afternoon’s Twitter Rage Vomit

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18 comments on “A Spring Afternoon’s Twitter Rage Vomit

  1. dtrickey

    It has nothing to do with how Dolan runs the Knicks. It has to do with how supporting Dolan makes me feel.

    I think you would be struggling to find any fans that actually supported Dolan even before this. It’ s just such a bizarre (yet not totally unprecedented thing). It would have 100% have to have been a captains call to hire Zeke, as I could not possibly imagine any advisers/directors worth their salt would be crazy enough to make the hire.

  2. Kevin McElroy Post author

    If you buy a ticket you support Dolan. If you subscribe to MSG you support Dolan. If you buy League Pass or NBA licensed products, you support all 30 owners (including Dolan). I didn’t mean that anyone likes him. I mean that I feel sleazier about who my dollars are boosting up.

  3. ess-dog

    Damn. “Zeke hired to run Liberty” isn’t an Onion headline?

    Why is real news more ridiculous than joke news?

  4. dtrickey

    If you buy a ticket you support Dolan. If you subscribe to MSG you support Dolan. If you buy League Pass or NBA licensed products, you support all 30 owners (including Dolan). I didn’t mean that anyone likes him. I mean that I feel sleazier about who my dollars are boosting up.

    Ah I see your point now. Definitely fair enough. It definitely puts the fans in an awkward position. Obviously no one supports the ownership when they make these decisions or faux pas (see Clippers and Sterling) like this, but ultimately you are supporting them one way or another. Dare I say it, but it’s potentially good that the Knicks aren’t currently in the playoffs. Not an off-court distraction a playoff team would want.

  5. DRed

    I would imagine there are fewer non-sleazy owners of major sports franchises than the other way around. Dolan is certainly an asshole, but what makes him more visibly reprehensible is the sense of entitlement that leads him to not even bother hiding what a shithead he is.

  6. Z-man

    I am going to swim against the tide here and say for the record that as much as a “feminist” man that I consider myself to be, I really didn’t give much of a shit about the Isiah sexual harassment case. He’s a despicable human being and a poor front office guy, and Dolan is an insufferable a-hole. But Anucha Browne Sanders didn’t impress me very much either.

    Bottom line for me: I root for the laundry. Sorry, can’t help it. I wish very bad things befall Isiah and Dolan (and Isiah was suicidal for a while, no?)

    If the Liberty and other female employees have an issue, let them stand up and speak. The Clips stood up to Sterling. Maybe if the Liberty players speak up, the WNBA commissioner will be forced to take action. If not, then why should I care more than them?

  7. MKinLA

    Um, the Clips players are, for the most part, on huge, guaranteed deals. The Liberty players make like $80k and can be cut for no reason. Give me a break…

  8. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    If the Liberty and other female employees have an issue, let them stand up and speak.

    that naïve take

  9. Z-man

    And for a long time, NBA players had no problem going to the Clips despite Sterling’s well-known reputation.

    Nobody is “forced’ to be a Liberty player. The argument that it “pays less” actually makes other teams or other professions less of a drop-off, as opposed to the NBA league minimum compared to what that player could earn elsewhere in the US (there’s always Europe.)

    I think the argument that the Liberty players (and all female employees) have no obligation to make a stand is ludicrous.

  10. Farfa

    I think the argument that the Liberty players (and all female employees) have no obligation to make a stand is ludicrous.

    No, no, I think you’ve read it wrong. The Liberty players have no guarantee that in doing so they’ll not be harassed, even if in a slightly more subtle way so not to incur in other multiple lawsuits, by some unnamed MSG lackey. I don’t think I’m mistaken in saying that even the WNBA, as almost every sport where every major executive role is held by men, comes with a pretty much misogynistic undercurrent. So the Liberty players are in a very bad position. Don’t speak, take your money, and let those sleazy guys win another round or speak, say hello to your money – possibly forever, unless they want to play in Cyprus for a couple of years – and put a dent in that scheme.

    There is another way though. It has to come from the WNBA “stars”, which have quite nothing to lose in putting themselves on that path (remember how Diana Taurasi got paid by her european club NOT to play in the WNBA?). They are the face of the WNBA. They hold the real power there. Is the WNBA a feasible enterprise without, say, Brittney Griner, Shoni Schimmel, et al.? I think only they have the chance to do something about it.

  11. Eyal

    I think the argument that the Liberty players (and all female employees) have no obligation to make a stand is ludicrous.

    @10 You’re not a woman who’s boss is suddenly a man with Isaiah’s reputation so it’s not your place to assume such an “obligation” on their part. And it’s perfectly reasonable for anyone to say that this is a deplorable move by Dolan, putting women in this position. I hope the WNBA blocks it.

  12. johnno

    I love when people comment on what other people have an “obligation” to do in their lives. Z-Man, I have no idea what you do for a living, but let’s say hypothetically that you are an architect. But, let’s say in my hypothetical world that, like women’s pro basketball, there are only 150 architect’s jobs available in the US and tens of thousands of young and talented people fighting to get one of those jobs. You’ve dreamed all your life of being an architect and worked your butt off to achieve that goal. You’re 25 and you are outstanding enough in your field — and lucky enough — to land one of the 150 jobs. However, even though you’re really good, you are not the Cheryl Swoops or Candace Parker of the architectural world. Now, the owner of your firm hires a well-known cretin to run your firm and it kills you to have to work for the guy. How would you feel if some guy on the internet said, “Z-Man, you have an OBLIGATION to take a stand against this misanthrope, even though, if you do, there’s a 50-50 chance that your firm will fire you and you will never work as an architect again. At age 25, your dream career will be over. But hey, you can probably get a nice job in customer service at Macy’s making almost as much as you make as an architect.” My guess is that your response (and the response of virtually anyone else in that position) would be, “Screw you buddy. Let I.M. Pei or Zaha Hadid take a stand. I’m not taking that chance with my dream career. I’m going to put my head down and continue drawing buildings and hope that the creep leaves me alone.”

  13. wetbandit

    I’m not taking a stand, let HER take the stand, it really only affects her…

    Yeah, I don’t buy that. If something is morally reprehensible, we all have the right to care or not, to do something or not. I happen to care.

    We forget, this is a ridiculous organization built on our good will. If anything scandalous happens to the Liberty because of Isaiah, I may not have any good will left to stick with this hell of a franchise.

  14. Z-man

    So you’re essentially saying that you should sell your soul to pursue a career. Many people feel that way. Many people don’t. It’s always a personal choice. No one is forced to work for a sleazebag.

    The WNBA has scores of powerful, take-no-nonsense women in the organization. They don’t need me to fight their battles. To assume that they do is just another form of sexism. My spouse is the ultimate feminist, and when she is outraged about something, there’s no holding her back, certainly not any concern about loss of status in her profession.

    Civil rights causes move forward most quickly when those who have much to lose take principled stands. If Isiah’s employees feel that it is not worth making a stand, I’m totally OK with that, especially since there are serious legal consequences for reprisals vs. whistleblowers (as Dolan and Isiah found out.) If they (or their union, or the league) do not take a stand, it suggests that his being in his new position is not morally reprehensible enough for them to take a stand. So, given the circumstances, I have no problem with his being hired RELATIVE TO HIS LEGAL HISTORY. No one could argue that he was not held accountable, and that ABS didn’t get a fair shake. So unless he repeats his behavior in his new position, it’s not my place to say that he should never be in a position to supervise female employees ever again, or to assume that he is going to engage in the same behaviors again. The League leadership may feel otherwise, women’s groups may feel otherwise, and KBers may feel otherwise.

    However, I have a MAJOR problem with his being hired relative to his record of success.

  15. johnno

    “So you’re essentially saying that you should sell your soul to pursue a career.”
    So, you’re essentially saying that, in my hypothetical, you would take a stand and risk losing your dream of being an architect? If so, you are a stronger person than most people, because it would not be an easy thing to do. By the way, I know a woman who played in the WNBA for two years. She was obviously an outstanding basketball player, but not quite good enough to last very long in the league. Her playing career was over by the time she was 25. She is now in a career in which she makes much more money than she ever made as a player. She would give up her new career in a heartbeat for another chance to play pro basketball because it was (is) her real passion. My bet is that, if she were on the Liberty today, she would do what she could to avoid being alone with the guy, but she wouldn’t rock the boat and put her dream at risk.

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