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Thursday, September 18, 2014

A Knick Fan Walks Into a Bar

Tonight I go to my local bar, and see the always jovial Adam. Now Adam is a second generation owner of this establishment. And anyone that’s been behind a bar for that long has heard it all, seen it all, and is never at a loss for a story, anecdote, or other philosophical word to keep their patrons happy.

So, I tell Adam about how I’m just recovering from a bad illness. He said “well then, you’re ready for a drink.” I tell him how I just checked on the weather at where I’m going on vacation, and it says that 3 of the 4 days are going to be thunderstorms. He replies “bah – they can barely predict the next hour, nevertheless the next week. The weather is going to be great!”

So I say, “Adam, you’re so optimistic about everything! Do you follow basketball?” Adam says “yeah, why?” And I ask “So tell me something good about the Knicks?” To that Adam laughs “The Knicks? You want me to say something good about the Knicks? I mean c’mon!”

That’s how bad the situation has gotten in New York, where the Knicks have stumped a man who has been trained since birth to have a positive spin on any topic. And if Adam is stumped, then what the heck do I have to offer?

59 comments on “A Knick Fan Walks Into a Bar

  1. CRJoe

    There’s just nothing left to say I guess… I don’t think any of the guys who were defending the post-trade Knicks are even showing up here anymore… This (the last 6 games) is the worst the Knicks have played this year… And the joke in the last thread of the Knicks not winning again for the rest of the season, suddenly seems plausible…

  2. afrikan_hermis

    bottom line this stubborn D’anPHONi coach gotta go, if he refuses to get a defensive coach and stop believing in his brother to do the job.There is no discernible defensive strategy on this team and we better right the ship now before the playoffs by firing this coach and stop hearing the never ending “we’ll fix it” lamentations!!! He wasted Darco, AR and almost wasted Mozgov until his back was against the wall. The small ball SSOL philosophy can NEVER bring rings to New York, period. We MUST fire coach D’AnPHONi NOW before the playoffs.

  3. Count Zero

    I’m sure you’re right. Walsh and D’Antoni will be gone at the end of the season, Isiah will be back, James Dolan will charge you 50% more for a ticket and the Knicks will suddenly be a great defensive team!

    John Chaney couldn’t turn this into a good defensive team…

  4. Doug

    Well, four days until Opening Day. I really thought this year I’d be following the Knicks wire to wire and putting baseball on the back burner, for the first time in years, but for the sake of my sanity I can’t afford to get myself excited for every game.

    Time to worry about things like Ivan Nova as the #4 starter, if the new bullpen will live up to its potential, and if Granderson can bounce back this year. The Nike ad was right. At least we have the Yankees.

    Wake me up when the playoffs start. It’s sad to see the season end in such a shambling, dysfunctional mess, but there is the chance that the team will find a extra gear in the playoffs. It’s not big, but it’s a chance.

  5. MSGTDenver

    Let me give you some advice. Get rid of the coach and Melo. Melo does not play Defence. Point blank. Melo is just a scorer. He doesn’t believe in playing Defence. He thinks its everybodies job except for him. Thats why the Nuggets are doing better. The new players in Denver are playing defence. Before the trade everyone played Defence except Melo. The Knicks has a good Defence. Now after the trade The Nuggets are playing good Defence and the Knicks can’t find the word defence because Melo don’t know Defence. GET RID OF THE DEAD WEIGHT MELO. SHIP HIM IN THE OFF SEASON TO THE NETS. THEN YOU WILL GET A DEFENCE AGAIN and the Nets will be sorry for EVER because they will get a lemon call Melo that will suck them dry.

  6. Kikuchiyo

    Here’s where I am with this team. I do think that these games have been so painful that I simply cannot watch. I need to hear about a win before I can go back right now.

    But I picked them to win 38 games in our preseason conversation. I never expected miracles this year. Probably, the Amar’e-Melo team is better than this. Probably, Chauncey is hurt. Certainly, the team lacks important pieces that can be added in the offseason. Probably, this isn’t the right coach for what’s needed going forward. Certainly, the Isiah years taught us that a team with no heart will always lose. But, probably, a team with Stoudemire and Billups isn’t a team with no heart.

    Here’s hoping for a few more wins and maybe two good games (at least one win) in a playoff series. At this point, we need glimpses of a better team, but just glimpses would be greatly reassuring. And right now I’d settle for a first quarter defensive effort that keeps an opponent under 30. For God’s sake, do the Knicks understand that first quarters are not “exhibition quarters”?

    Plan B: Give Amar’e an entire week off. I want fresh, dangerous, energetic Amar’e back.

  7. d-mar

    When was the last time we saw the Knicks go on a run, players jump off the bench and high fives all around? This team just looks lost, dispirited, unenthusiastic and other teams are feasting on our carcass. I keep watching the games hoping to see some spark, some indication that we’re turning a corner, but the last 2 losses were as depressing as any this season.

  8. Jim Cavan

    @7

    I’ve largely held to the belief that this recent slide is more on the players than D’Antoni (defensive ineptitude aside). But one area where he definitely deserves blame is his seeming inability to motivate. We all know his communicative shortcomings and seeming preternatural ability to alienate certain players, and we’re seeing that manifest itself in a different way. His refusal or inability to tap into something — anything — that can get these guys going is becoming pretty alarming. For the most part I’ve liked his even-keeled nonchalance, but it’s definitely part of the problem right now.

  9. d-mar

    Yeah, I generally don’t buy into the screaming and yelling and in your face coaching style, but right now we could use a little of that. Remember the Celtic game, where Doc Rivers called his players “soft” in the halftime locker room? They came out with a vengeance, and played like it was game 7 of the Finals. Now of course, his players are not our players, but someone needs to figure out a way to light a fire under this team, whether it’s Amare, Melo, D’Antoni or whoever.

  10. Doug

    d-mar: Remember the Celtic game, where Doc Rivers called his players “soft” in the halftime locker room? They came out with a vengeance, and played like it was game 7 of the Finals.

    Yeah. Rick Carlisle said the same thing to the Mavs after the lost in overtime to the Hornets, and then they blew us out.

  11. HoyaSaxa33

    I really question most people on here if they are true Knick fans let alone true basketball fans. Melo gets all the blame….lets not talk about the fact that STAT can’t even spell defense. _’antoni actually took the D out of his name, and we are playing with a mixture of Turiaf, Jefferies, and Shelly Williams as our big man….wtf do ya’ll expect….How bout we give them a chance, i’ve said it before and i’ll probably say it again, but we’ve SUCKED for years why freak out now? Just chill and wait and see.

  12. ess-dog

    It’s hard for a coach to motivate a bunch of guys he hardly knows. It sounds like he’s trying to work with Billups on a plan that just isn’t working.
    What I take D’Antoni to task for is his poor rotations. Since we clearly need energy, Balkman or Brown would be helpful. I’m glad he’s finally coming around to Shelden. Jeffries has to sit. Turiaf is completely unreliable.
    I don’t think all is lost, but we need these guys to do extra work. Stat and Melo should be taking extra time to work on a p&r.
    I think there was just a huge let down after the 6 months of rumors. It was probably exhausting especially for Melo, Stat and Billups. But those guys are the guys that need to put in extra work if we’re ever going to win again.

  13. Brian Cronin

    i’ve said it before and i’ll probably say it again, but we’ve SUCKED for years why freak out now?

    Because they finally got to the point where they did not suck and then they made a trade that so far has put them backwards. As you noted, they spent all those years sucking, so it hurts that much more when they finally go forward only to go backwards again due to their owner’s obsession with “stars.”

  14. HoyaSaxa33

    ess-dog: Since we clearly need energy, Balkman or Brown would be helpful.I’m glad he’s finally coming around to Shelden.Jeffries has to sit.

    AMEN Shelly actually played a pretty decent game last night…What killed us is Amare tossin up a stinker 4 of 13 amare? really? GO DUNK THE F’N BASKETBALL

  15. Brian Cronin

    Man, Sheridan is obsessed with Carmelo playing the whole fourth quarter. Does he seriously think that would matter at all? Carmelo played the whole third quarter and the Knicks didn’t cut into the Charlotte lead at all, so why in the world would him starting the fourth quarter make a difference?

    Especially when just the previous night against Milwaukee the Knicks cut down a big lead to start the fourth without Melo and then promptly saw the momentum stop when Melo and Billups re-entered the game.

    It just doesn’t make any sense as a thing to complain about. Melo played 41 minutes – when he gets his rest really is not a big deal.

  16. Jim Cavan

    @15

    When you write a dozen articles prior to the trade parroting the “conventional wisdom” that you must do everything — including throwing in Mozgov and / or Fields if necessary — to land Melo, I guess the rule becomes any losing streak must be met with an equal number of articles blaming everything other than the trade itself.

    First it was “give it time”, then it was “ok, no need to panic, just a little more time,” and now it’s “blame D’Antoni for x, y, and z”. Totally predictable of course, but no less irritating.

  17. Z

    Remember when Riley broke his hand punching the blackboard at halftime once? I think I’d like to see D’Antoni take his swats at that blackboard. It’ll either motivate these guys to win, or just make coach feel a lot of pain. Win-Win!

  18. gabriel

    the real problem here is we need a big man. A big man who is thick, long, and can shoot. the problem is not really melo, or d’antoni, it is personell. Amare is probably the worst defensive starting c/pf in the league, partly bc he never had to play defense. But it is weird to see such an athletic freak, that cannot rebound or play defense, but then after a conversation with a friend i kinda know why (i think) my good friend was one of the medical doctors for the ny giants, and is also friends with the ny knicks doctors as well. The dr. said amare is playing on borrowed time, and that his knees are deteriorating at a high rate. Thats why the suns did not give him 5 years gauranteed. The doc also stated he has 3yrs max. He told me this in late dec. during football playoffs and amare was playing at an mvp level..
    Now looking back at what he said, and seeing how fatigued and broken amare looks, and how he shies away from contact on defense, i think doc may be right. If you notice he never dives for loose balls, possibly of fear of banging his knees and never gets dirty on defense bc of fear of injury. Hope the doc is wrong, but i doubt it.

  19. Starks

    As someone who loves to read the posts on this site but rarely posts himself, I really don’t think these guys need motivation. If you aren’t motivated by a max contract (Amare, melo) or even slightly less (Billups), then I don’t see how someone like d’antoni is going to reach them. You might need someone bigger with more stature. I don’t think d’antoni is to blame because of the huge roster change. It is strange that he didn’t have a gameplan prepared for melo though considering how long they talked about it.

    Although its hard to predict from melo’s standpoint, he should have been prepared for what New York expected of him. Maybe the roster would be better if he had just waited…

  20. Thomas B.

    We can’t blame Anthony for this mess. While I was against the trade (check the posts I was) I am not against Anthony per se. The current plight of the Knicks is related to the poor make up of this team.

    Think about the Denver team that went to the WCF a few years ago and compare that team to this one. Anthony can be part of a team that makes a great run, but that team has to have components that are missing from the Knicks.

    Denver was 8th in DefRtg and 7th on offense. Top half of the NBA in rebounding (15th Orb, 12 Drb). So for Anthony to be part of something good, his teammates need to cover his deficiencies. The Knicks do not do that. Knicks are 23rd in Drtg. Bottom half of the nba in rebounding.

    They key is not to trade Anthony this off season–frankly who would take him–but to put parts in place to cover for he and Stoudemire cant do.
    1. get a defensive center that rebounds and can hit a mid range jumper from time to time.
    2. get a big defender that can cover opposing 2s and 3s. It would be nice is Fields could become that stopper.
    3. get chris paul

  21. GHenman

    I live in Charlotte and went to the game last night. The thing that stood out to me was the total lack of team chemistry. No one seemed to know what anyone else was going to do on either end of the floor. They also seemed not to particularly like each other. I can’t remember Carmelo and Amare talking to each other at all. This is starting to remind me of when the Mets signed Bobby Bonilla. Coming home to NY with huge expectations isn’t always a good idea. By the way, what is the Yankee equivalent of Knickerblogger?

  22. Thomas B.

    GHenman: By the way, what is the Yankee equivalent of Knickerblogger?  

    Try yankerblogger.net, but it might not be safe for work.

  23. GHenman

    gabriel: the real problem here is we need a big man. A big man who is thick, long, and can shoot. the problem is not really melo, or d’antoni, it is personell. Amare is probably the worst defensive starting c/pf in the league, partly bc he never had to play defense. But it is weird to see such an athletic freak, that cannot rebound or play defense, but then after a conversation with a friend i kinda know why (i think) my good friend was one of the medical doctors for the ny giants, and is also friends with the ny knicks doctors as well. The dr. said amare is playing on borrowed time, and that his knees are deteriorating at a high rate. Thats why the suns did not give him 5 years gauranteed. The doc also stated he has 3yrs max. He told me this in late dec. during football playoffs and amare was playing at an mvp level..Now looking back at what he said, and seeing how fatigued and broken amare looks, and how he shies away from contact on defense, i think doc may be right. If you notice he never dives for loose balls, possibly of fear of banging his knees and never gets dirty on defense bc of fear of injury. Hope the doc is wrong, but i doubt it.  (Quote)

    I don’t think Amare is a legit 6’10″ 245. He really needs to play at the 4 the of his career.

  24. d-mar

    Well, at least we have company in awful losses – the Sixers lost to the Kings at home today. Man, the bottom of the Eastern Conference really sucks.

  25. latke

    Thomas B.: They key is not to trade Anthony this off season–frankly who would take him–but to put parts in place to cover for he and Stoudemire cant do.
    1. get a defensive center that rebounds and can hit a mid range jumper from time to time.
    2. get a big defender that can cover opposing 2s and 3s. It would be nice is Fields could become that stopper.
    3. get chris paul

    I agree with this prognosis if you are building around carmelo anthony. The problem is Amare Stoudemire doesn’t do any of the things that you list, and those things cost money. Furthermore, I think that kind of team is antithetical to Amare’s success. Amare needs perimeter threats to open up the middle for him. Carmelo needs tough defensive dudes to cover up his shortcomings. Well, tough defensive perimeter threats are expensive, and if we added them to the stoudemire/anthony mix, we certainly wouldn’t have the cash to get Paul.

    I don’t think Amare can become the tough guy Carmelo needs in the middle, but I do believe carmelo can be effective as the perimeter wing, and that’s why we saw our best games with TD running the point (he can actually play PnR). IMO if your goal is to be the 08/09 Nuggets, then you have to trade Amare. However, if your goal is to be the 2004/05 Suns, then Amare can be Amare and Carmelo can be a better Joe Johnson. TD is at least capable of orchestrating SSOL so that leaves you needing a Shawn Marion. Ill Wil could be that guy — buy out billups and bring back Chandler, my money is that this team wins 52 games. Fields, like you said, just needs to become a better defender, and he can be Q-Rich.

    This has the added benefit of padding Douglas’s numbers. If he averages 19 and 10 with 2 steals, that’s a pretty nice chip to offer in a Paul deal, and if we could bring in Paul, NYK would be legit.

  26. JK47

    @27

    I just don’t see TD as ever being a guy who averages 19 and 10. There are four point guards averaging around 10 assists this year– Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Deron Williams and Chris Paul. Those are some of the very best players in the NBA, guys who pass the basketball as well as anybody on the planet. The odds of Toney Douglas joining that group are pretty much none and none.

    Toney D’s AST% is 19.1. He’d have to double that to come even close to averaging 10 assist per game. Hell, if he’s averaging 19 and 10, why would you need Chris Paul? Toney Douglas as the starting PG on a great SSOL team is a pipe dream in my opinion.

  27. BigBlueAL

    d-mar: Well, at least we have company in awful losses – the Sixers lost to the Kings at home today. Man, the bottom of the Eastern Conference really sucks.  

    The Kings this week won at Milwaukee, Indiana and Philly. Unbelievable.

  28. Doug

    BigBlueAL:
    The Kings this week won at Milwaukee, Indiana and Philly.Unbelievable.  

    It’s as if they think that winning will keep them in Sacramento. Poor Kings fans.

    I know a few guys in Norcal who are switching to the Warriors.

  29. max fisher-cohen

    JK47, TD plays 2 almost as often as 1, so that’s part of the issue.

    In the games Billups missed, here are douglas’s assist%:
    vs. NOH: 41.5%
    vs. CLE: 21.5%
    @ ATL: 37.3%
    vs. UTA: 36.9%
    @ MEM: 52%
    @ DAL: 25.3%

    that averages out to around 36%. Felton’s AST% w/ NYK was 37%, good for 9 APG.

    Douglas averaged about 17 and 7 while Billups was out in about 32 MPG. Per 36 that’s 19 and 8. Not quite 20 and 10, but still putting him in basic stats right up near the top. People had the hots for Felton after his hot start. Imagine if Felton was 2 years younger and make $6.5 million less per year.

  30. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Billups hasn’t been nearly as bad as y’all are making him out to be. His stats (aside from a huge drop in TS% and eFG%, the latter of which is still higher than league average) are almost exactly what they were in Denver, only with better OREB%.

  31. taggart4800

    latke – I completely agree with your assesment (although I too do not see TD avg 19 and 10!). I actually don’t think Sheldon Williams is a bad fit for C on this team at all, he is definately not the final answer but I also think that with work on his conditioning and his confidence he would have value. He has a big body and from what I read and see he appears capable of hitting the open shot from mid range.
    I think Billups made an enlightening comment on the subject of confidence and camaraderie, can’t remember where to find that, nevertheless he said it was lacking.
    This I think is why the Knicks are in a funny position and I must stress I understand it is entirely supposition.
    Pre-trade the Knicks had a definative leader and an identity and were able to hold each other accountable as a result of effort and their leader(s). You could never question Feltons heart and will to win.
    The balance of power has shifted somewhat now and I envisage the role players being confused as to who to look to in for guidance and when they do that person looking round at the other two ‘stars’ because they are scared to say the wrong thing.
    The Knicks are terrible on D for these reasons (entirely subjective and my own opinion). Amare is likely being told by the med team to shy away from any contact so they can get as much value as they can for 100mill. I don’t disagree. Billups is a 34 year old vet who got traded from his home town and family and has no vested interest in sacrificing his body to play D or assuming leadership. Melo is the only one capable of leading the team on D at present but he is still busy trying to convince himself that he is a team orientated guy and thats before he gets round to convincing us. So yes they are terrible defensively but its the fact that the 3 ‘stars’ will look incredibly hypocritical asking others to play D that effects the rest of the team and is likely causing un rest in the locker room.

  32. max fisher-cohen

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Billups hasn’t been nearly as bad as y’all are making him out to be. His stats (aside from a huge drop in TS% and eFG%, the latter of which is still higher than league average) are almost exactly what they were in Denver, only with better OREB%.  

    You’re right. Overall, he hasn’t been bad when compared to the average player. Even post-injury, his TS% has been above average. That said, if billups shoots what he was shooting in Denver, we would have a couple more wins. The same, of course, could be said of Amare, who during this losing streak has only gotten to his average efficiency once.

  33. dogrufus

    I hereby re-Christen Amar’e as “STATue.”

    Does anyone really believe fatigue is the reason Amar’e has looked like 34 year old Chris Webber minus the passing and rebounding lately? If he actually played defense or rebounded I might believe this, but it seems much more obvious that the guy’s knees are breaking down before our eyes.

    Watch him in games. He’s constantly shaking his legs, as if he’s trying to snap something back in place. His shotblocking numbers have roughly halved in recent games. He no longer shows the ability to rise up and dunk from a standstill. He’s getting his shot blocked at an incredible rate for a 6’10″ 25 ppg big man. His TS% has steadily nosedived as he’s become a jump-shooting big man (it’s now 5 full percentage points lower than any season in the last 7 years). His FTA per FG attempt is a career low by far. He has about half as many dunks as he did last season. His rebounding? You guessed it- also a career low, and it’s not like he’s playing alongside Dennis Rodman or Kevin Love – the only one on our team that really competes with him for boards is our SG. At least 5 or 6 times in the last few games I’ve seen him go for what used to be a dunk for him and fail to make it over the rim. He no longer has that quick-jump ability. It’s like the difference between 1990 Ewing (dominant athlete and physical specimen) and 1994 Ewing (jump-shooting big man who has to gather himself for roughly 12 seconds before leaping off his creaky knees).

    His MPG is a career high, by a not exactly massive margin of 0.2 Am I really supposed to believe he looks like this because he’s playing 12 seconds per game more?

    It’s time to face reality, guys. Amar’e gave us about 50 really good games, and since then he’s been a shell of his former self. The signs of another microfracture being needed this offseason are looming large. It was a great 50 games, STATue. You’ll probably end up playing less than 30% of the contract, but that’s a…

  34. Will the Thrill

    Amar’e has looked lost on defense the entire year and has never been a good defender. His TS% and dunks can be easily seen and explained by him going 1 on 1 more than any other season. There is very little pick and rolls anymore (Steve Nash), which gave him those explosive dunks. His rebounding has never been impressive in his career so I don’t think this has hurt the team as much as one would think. I just don’t believe that his knees can be more of the reason for his recent play than the trade that shook up the chemistry and play of the team.

  35. Will the Thrill

    Also, his shot being blocked can be attributed to forcing it when nothing else is working. With no pick and roll, he isn’t the same player, and he has had to adjust. Hopefully this adjustment starts to work better.

  36. ess-dog

    Amare averaged 9.3 rebounds per 36 just last year and has had 10.5-10 per a few times. Not terrible.
    We don’t need to throw everybody under the bus. Wil, Gallo and Felton were just as frustrating as anyone we’re playing now.
    This team just can’t play 4 full quarters for whatever reason. That leads me to believe that there are a lot of breakdowns happening due to not playing much together and also that we don’t have a lot of good supporting players. C’est la vie.

  37. Thomas B.

    My goal is to be a team that wins a title. I think we are stuck with both Anthony and Stoudemire, so we have to create as close an approximation of a team that has a shot at the finals as possible. I like the idea of bringing back Chandler. I’d hold on to Billups. I think he needs to learn the offense and saving that the expiring deal will be a nice trade chip.

  38. ess-dog

    Thomas B.: My goal is to be a team that wins a title.I think we are stuck with both Anthony and Stoudemire, so we have to create as close an approximation of a team that has a shot at the finals as possible.I like the idea of bringing back Chandler. I’d hold on to Billups. I think he needs to learn the offense and saving that the expiring deal will be a nice trade chip.  

    How can we bring Chandler back while retaining Billups? Maybe we can pick up Billups and trade him on draft day? Lakers, Hawks, Portland, Miami might all be interested. Not sure what we’d have to take back and/or what those teams caps look like. Of course a lot depends on the labor talks.

  39. ess-dog

    Btw, after Orlando we face NJ, Cle, Tor, Phil, NJ, Ind. We should really win 5 out of those 6. It will be a good test to see how bad we really are.

  40. JK47

    Hey, what’s our old pal Anthony Randolph up to tonight against the Celtics?

    0-5 FGA, 3 points, 4 rebounds, 4 personal fouls, 3 turnovers in 16 minutes.

  41. yoda4554

    While I’m sure fatigue has something to do with Amar’e’s recent ineffectiveness, I think there’s a more basic reason: spacing. Everyone seemed to think that it’d be harder to guard STAT with ‘Melo around (“He commands double-teams!”), but it’s actually made it easier. At STAT’s peak effectiveness, he scored because he was playing with four legit distance shooters: opposing centers had to guard him 1-1 at the elbow, and he’d have them beat 15 feet from the basket either with speed or strength. Because of the spacing, the help had to commit early, which left shooters wide open in spots STAT could get the ball to them, and depending on how the defense rotated, somebody always either had an open shot or an open lane. Playing shooters like that was risky defensively, and we got beat by other bigs a ton, but most teams don’t have good offensive centers, and Chandler was adequate (though not good) checking PFs.

    But Anthony plays mid-range, not on the perimeter, and because neither he nor Amar’e guards the post, we often have to play the offensively-limited JJs and She-Wills of the world, who are only effective at the rim. (We’ve been playing Turiaf inside more too, I think, because between Billups and Anthony there’s no room at the point.) That means the help defense is MUCH closer, and so they can play up on STAT to limit his jumper and, if he commits to driving, converge on him to shut off the path of both his shots AND his passes much more effectively. Melo makes it EASIER to triple-team STAT, not harder. Amar’e looks less impressive now, I think, because instead of bowling over one guy, he’s getting shut down by three.

    So, why do we assume we can’t trade Melo? I mean, maybe Dolan wouldn’t let Donnie (or his successor) do it, but GMs still love Melo, especially those struggling for offense: you could probably get any but the top 12-15 players in the league for him. We should look at him as our only real trade asset.

    So who do you…

  42. bobneptune

    Thomas B.: We can’t blame Anthony for this mess.While I was against the trade (check the posts I was) I am not against Anthony per se. The current plight of the Knicks is related to the poor make up of this team.Think about the Denver team that went to the WCF a few years ago and compare that team to this one.Anthony can be part of a team that makes a great run, but that team has to have components that are missing from the Knicks.Denver was 8th in DefRtg and 7th on offense.Top half of the NBA in rebounding (15th Orb, 12 Drb).So for Anthony to be part of something good, his teammates need to cover his deficiencies.The Knicks do not do that.Knicks are 23rd in Drtg. Bottom half of the nba in rebounding.
    They key is not to trade Anthony this off season–frankly who would take him–but to put parts in place to cover for he and Stoudemire cant do.
    1. get a defensive center that rebounds and can hit a mid range jumper from time to time.
    2. get a big defender that can cover opposing 2s and 3s. It would be nice is Fields could become that stopper.
    3. get chris paul  

    here’s the problem thomas, even if they renounce billups at year’s end they still have 50 million on the books for next season. that leaves them ~ 8 million in space to find a point guard and a center and depth.

    and if they use the 8 million for those purposes, then they have zero chance of getting a 3rd player at the end of the 2012 season.

    walsh better find magic johnson with the 18th pick in this year’s draft cause the have no ones or two in 2012 and no one in 2014.

    so for the next 4 years you are looking at melo, amar’e and fields and a bunch of d-leaguers, with maybe a mid level exception thrown in if there is one in the next cba.

  43. Brian Cronin

    Replacement Level Yankee Blog is definitely the equivalent of Knickerblogger. They’re both stats-driven blogs.

  44. bobneptune

    JK47: Hey, what’s our old pal Anthony Randolph up to tonight against the Celtics?0-5 FGA, 3 points, 4 rebounds, 4 personal fouls, 3 turnovers in 16 minutes.  

    news flash…. stop the presses…. a 21 yr old bb player is inconsistent.

    after going for 31 and 9 board vs tyson chandler and 24 with 15 boards and 2 blocks vs serge ibaka he got into foul trouble 6 minutes into the game vs kg and pierce tonight. whooppie… chain him to the bench for another 40 games, imo!

    and just for comparison, remind me , as well as amar’e has played this year, how many games did he score 24 points, pull down 15 boards and block 2 shots in the same game???????????

    and , by the way, randolph was the guy we paid as a bribe to cart curry’s fat carcass away.

  45. John Kenney

    @50 in my opinion, the part where chandler doesn’t take a below market value deal to come back to New York so he can get traded to New Orleans for Chris Paul.

  46. max fisher-cohen

    naw we’d have to give up Billups. To take back Paul’s contract, we’d have to get up to about 13.1 million (b/c 125% of it = paul’s salary), so –

    Turiaf: 4.4 million
    Draft Pick: 2 million
    Balkman: 1.6 million
    + fields, Walker and 2-3 vet’s minimum guys probably gets us there.

  47. max fisher-cohen

    oops, forgot Douglas. Still, that package is pretty crap even if Douglas does break out. Paul would have to be even more adamant about NY only than Melo was.

  48. Doug

    Brian Cronin: Replacement Level Yankee Blog is definitely the equivalent of Knickerblogger. They’re both stats-driven blogs.  

    RLY is definitely the most stat-oriented. It has a lot of original analysis and it gets seriously granular with the raw data, so much so that I get lost often.

    RAB is an excellent mix of reporting, analysis, introducing readers to advanced stats, and has a really tight-knit commenter community. They have a partnership with YES. Two of the three main writers also write for Fangraphs.

  49. Nick C.

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Billups hasn’t been nearly as bad as y’all are making him out to be. His stats (aside from a huge drop in TS% and eFG%, the latter of which is still higher than league average) are almost exactly what they were in Denver, only with better OREB%.  (Quote)

    actually he is since really TSP is the only thing that he is exceptional at from a statistical standpoint. With NYK that TSP is still padded by those three games of 40-50 FTA, which is the foundation of his high TSP anyhow. HE doesn’t crack the top 20 in Assist % or anything other than FT% (and TSP and off rating which I presume is largely based on TSP and as such somewhat duplicative kind like usage and PER). We can’t forget that Marburyesque stand sideways while your guy gets a layup or be nowhere in your frame as a defensive rebound is pushed up the court defense now can we.

  50. knickspodcast

    I’m going to come up with a new stat for Billups where I count the number of times per game he tries to draw a 4 point play, doesn’t get the call and ends up jacking up a horrible 3. Has to be at least 3 times a game.

  51. Brian Cronin

    I’m going to come up with a new stat for Billups where I count the number of times per game he tries to draw a 4 point play, doesn’t get the call and ends up jacking up a horrible 3. Has to be at least 3 times a game.

    It is pretty hilarious.

  52. HellAtlantic

    The problem is with the coach. You think melo/STAT all of a sudden forgot how to score? here’s what D’Antoni’s problem is:

    Horrible use of Time Outs and green light to take jumpers (especially 3 pters).

    When the Knicks let the Celtics come back and go on a 23-4 fourth Q run, that inexcusable. when a team allows that it falls on the coach’s shoulders. no coach should allow the opposing team to score that many points while watching his own team’s jumpers clank off the rim.

    He needs to learn when his players aren’t hitting their jumpers, maybe 3 in a row, to call a time out, regroup and call a play for a drive to the basket. get SOME points. ANY points. don’t go 3, 4 5 possessions without scoring any points. no one cares if you can’t play defense. if you can score and that’s your strength then score. but don’t have a horrible defensive team AND allow your team to go scoreless for minutes on end. if you can’t give us a good, decent defensive team then your offensive gameplan needs to be stellar.

    how many times have we watched a game and we’ve watched the whole team try to play the “i’m gonna be the guy whose jumper falls in this time” game? put it on the floor, dribble and drive to the basket and get your points to stop the bleeding.

  53. HellAtlantic

    one thing i think we’ve learned now with a coach like D’Antoni:

    you can take a mediocre team and make them pretty good scorers with a great offensive mind BUT you can’t take any ole guy off the street and get him to play good defense. defense has its own mindset and skillset, and you can’t expect an offensive minded coach to coax the best defense out of hacks. i’m looking at Jeffries, Sheldon Williams and Turiaf right now.

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