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Thursday, April 17, 2014

2103 Report Card: Iman Shumpert

Similarity Scores

PlayerID FLName Year Tm PER TS_P eFG_P PTS ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV
0 Iman Shumpert 2013 NYK 11.7 .516 .489 11.0 1.1 4.9 2.7 1.6 0.3 1.3
0.030 Jae Crowder 2013 DAL 10.2 .491 .470 10.4 0.9 5.0 2.5 1.7 0.5 1.3
0.037 Sasha Vujacic 2007 LAL 11.7 .540 .504 12.1 1.1 4.1 2.5 1.6 0.0 1.2
0.066 Lance Stephenson 2013 IND 11.8 .530 .512 10.9 0.7 4.8 3.5 1.3 0.3 1.7
0.066 Armon Johnson 2012 TOT 12.9 .515 .477 13.6 0.3 3.8 3.2 1.5 0.0 1.7
0.070 Ollie Mack 1980 TOT 10.9 .528 .492 12.4 1.7 3.8 2.8 1.3 0.2 1.9
0.074 Cedric Henderson 1998 CLE 10.7 .514 .480 11.9 1.0 4.6 2.4 1.4 0.6 2.4
0.078 Chris Robinson 1997 VAN 9.4 .486 .473 9.9 1.2 3.8 3.4 1.5 0.5 1.8
0.080 C.J. Miles 2010 UTA 10.8 .515 .495 15.0 1.0 4.0 2.5 1.4 0.4 1.9
0.083 Bracey Wright 2007 MIN 13.8 .493 .450 12.7 1.3 4.0 2.8 1.7 0.2 1.1
0.093 Mike Dunleavy 2003 GSW 12.5 .505 .465 12.9 1.8 5.9 2.9 1.5 0.5 2.4

Iman’s 2013 season story begins in the 2012 playoffs, where if you’ve been a Knick fan longer than 16 months, you know full well that Shumpert tore his ACL and meniscus in Game 1 against the Heat. When the news hit, Nix Nation took a collective gasp.

True blue (and orange) Knick fans had to wait until Shumpert stepped back on the court before exhaling. 264 days to be exact. On January 17th, 2013, Iman Shumpert played an N.B.A. game in London (despite being in another country that speaks a foreign language, it was official, I double checked) against the Detroit Pistons. (Come to think of it Detroit is also like being in another country with a foreign language.) Afterward Jim Cavan described Shumpert’s performance as such:

But the opening bars were mighty impressive: a couple of smooth corner threes, a nice little Euro-step lay-in off a Cope deflection, a gorgeous feed to Chandler (Chandler feed is usually made of human bonemeal and spelt, so passes from Shump are really just empty calories — they’re Rollos is what I’m trying to say), and the kind of in-your-face D we all felt would be the first thing reconjured.

And breathe out.

Ask a Knick fan why they like Shumpert so much and the answer will undoubtedly be “defense.” While in the summer most ‘Bocker-Backers drool over any free agent who can light up the scoreboard like a pinball machine (you kids know what a pinball machine is, right? if not ask your more hipsterist friend — he has one in his basement next to the unicycle), nothing gets the MSG crowd going more than a defender. If you taped every mouth shut during a Knicks game, you’d be deafened by the blood rushing through the veins of 19,000+ bodies every time one of our boys blocked a shot, picked a pocket, or hit the deck for a loose ball. New York hasn’t had many great seasons, but all of the ones they’ve had have been centered on defense. It’s part of the Knick fan lizard brain collective consciousness. I’m convinced that born and bred New Yorkers who spurn the Knicks for another NBA team like the Bulls, Lakers, or Heat lack that essential evolutionary step that screams “D-Fence!”

But Shumpert’s appeal isn’t just due to his defensive attributes, it’s also in part due to the fact that he’s home grown. Pretend for a second that you were making an All-Knicks team, starting from this season and going back in time. You start adding names to the list: ‘Melo, STAT, Chandler, David Lee, Stephon Marbury, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Camby, Latrell Sprewell, Allan Houston, Larry Johnson, Charlie Ward, Charles Oakley, and Patrick Ewing. In 28 years, dating back to Ewing, of all the players who have made a name for themselves in a Knick uniform, only 3 were drafted by New York. And Lee left after his rookie contract.

Just like any franchise, the Knicks have had their fair share of misses in the draft. Jordan Hill. Channing Frye. Mike Sweetney. Frederic Weis. Jerrod Mustaf. Kenny Walker. They’ve selected some who have had long careers, with all having more success outside of New York. David Lee. Trevor Ariza. Nene Hilario. Hubert Davis. Greg Anthony. Rod Strickland. Mark Jackson. For most teams the draft is the fountain of youth, a way to replenish their franchise with talent. For the Knicks, it’s Ponce De Leon wandering through the Florida swamps without a map.

But that’s not the only thing wrong with New York’s participation in the draft. Unlike any other sane franchise (haha Brooklyn, you’re not one of them anymore), the Knicks have given away their picks like few others. First round picks have been traded away for Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry, and even this summer for Andrea Bargnani. The Knicks have treated their draft picks like a credit card. You know that thing you use to buy crap they don’t need now, and pay a ton of interest on later.

So Iman Shumpert means something more than tapping into our unconsciousness. He represents the idea that we can have home grown talent. That we didn’t screw up when David Stern called our name to head to the podium. That we can erase 28 years of poor planning and foolish decision making. That for once we can have a player that we can call our own. Once a Knick? Sorry but we’re tired of sharing our players. Shumpert is ours, and you can’t have him! (Unless that knee keeps giving out, or that 40% from downtown was a fluke, or Oklahoma wants him in a trade for Durant. What? I’m a Knick fan — this is how we think.)

Just "Always", Please

Just “Always”, Please

Grades (5 point scale):
Offense: 1
Defense: 4
Teamwork: 4
Rootability: 5
Performance/Expectations: 4
Final Grade: B+

24 comments on “2103 Report Card: Iman Shumpert

  1. Nick C.

    The comp list is pretty underwhelming, but Shump was coming of knee surgery and defense isn’t factored in.

  2. Hubert

    We’ve tried to trade him for Steve Nash, Jared Dudley, and JJ Reddick. And all times people thought we should.

  3. Mike Kurylo Post author

    Nick C.:
    The comp list is pretty underwhelming, but Shump was coming of knee surgery and defense isn’t factored in.

    I don’t think the knee surgery has anything to do with the sims. Shumpert improved from his 2012 numbers, so it’s not like he had an off year. Of all the players on that list, Lance Stephenson is the one that jumps out at me as being close. Shump does need to find an offensive game as he matures. The defense is there, unless he just wants to be a specialist in that regard.

  4. Juany8

    One minor contention id make is that the lakers and mavericks used to throw away draft picks pretty much every year and they did well for themselves. Obviously the CBA has changed things, but even Miami has exactly 1 player contributing from a draft since they got Lebron. Not a bad move to trade picks if you’re looking to contend now, and although we might disagree about the Knicks chances of winning a title, the Knicks front office is clearly trying to win it all right now. In that light the moves make sense.

  5. flossy

    Mike Kurylo: I don’t think the knee surgery has anything to do with the sims. Shumpert improved from his 2012 numbers, so it’s not like he had an off year. Of all the players on that list, Lance Stephenson is the one that jumps out at me as being close. Shump does need to find an offensive game as he matures. The defense is there, unless he just wants to be a specialist in that regard.

    It would be interesting to make a comp list based on his playoff performance this year. It’s a much smaller sample, but he’d clearly found his legs and had shed the tentativeness that made him, frankly, a bad player for most of the regular season. It’s not that he just rode a hot shooting streak (.528 TS% vs. .516% in the regular season), he just played vastly better overall, and against tougher competition. I’d take .143 WS/48 all day, every day going forward.

  6. Z

    The fact that Charlie Ward makes the All-Knick All-Star team from the past 30 years tells us just how lame this franchise has been. He and Marbury are the two best PGs the organization could find in 30 years of trying?! Yeesh.

  7. kronicfatigue

    Nevermind. 1) it hyperlinks on its own, but more importantly 2) it was discussed in the earlier thread. Whoopsies!

  8. Mike Kurylo Post author

    Juany8:
    One minor contention id make is that the lakers and mavericks used to throw away draft picks pretty much every year and they did well for themselves. Obviously the CBA has changed things, but even Miami has exactly 1 player contributing from a draft since they got Lebron. Not a bad move to trade picks if you’re looking to contend now, and although we might disagree about the Knicks chances of winning a title, the Knicks front office is clearly trying to win it all right now. In that light the moves make sense.

    Phoenix too. But it’s different when the draft rolls around and you have the 20ish pick and an MVP candidate on a 50+ win team.

  9. Juany8

    Mike Kurylo: Phoenix too. But it’s different when the draft rolls around and you have the 20ish pick and an MVP candidate on a 50+ win team.

    Very true, teams do tend to assume they’re going to contend and then start throwing away picks (nets lol)

  10. nicos

    Mike Kurylo: I don’t think the knee surgery has anything to do with the sims. Shumpert improved from his 2012 numbers, so it’s not like he had an off year. Of all the players on that list, Lance Stephenson is the one that jumps out at me as being close. Shump does need to find an offensive game as he matures. The defense is there, unless he just wants to be a specialist in that regard.

    Tough to argue that the injury didn’t play a part in the final numbers- in his first 22 games his TS% was .408 but it was .598 in his last 23. Also his defense really didn’t return to the previous years level until the playoffs. He looks poised to make a real leap this year.

  11. Loathing

    Z:
    The fact that Charlie Ward makes the All-Knick All-Star team from the past 30 years tells us just how lame this franchise has been. He and Marbury are the two best PGs the organization could find in 30 years of trying?! Yeesh.

    Wait, no Derek Harper or Mark Jackson? That’s a little weird. You’d figure Rod Strickland AND Greg Anthony woulda beat CHARLIE WARD. (Ok, Steph I can see, he was our supposed “franchise playa” at that point. But Ward?!)

  12. Loathing

    Loathing: Wait, no Derek Harper or Mark Jackson? That’s a little weird. You’d figure Rod Strickland AND Greg Anthony woulda beat CHARLIE WARD. (Ok, Steph I can see, he was our supposed “franchise playa” at that point. But Ward?!)

    …and for that matter, what about Chris Childs’ one season?

  13. flossy

    Are Prigs/Felton any better than Ward/Childs, relative to the overall talent level of NBA PGs these days?

  14. Chase Thomas

    Mike Kurylo: I don’t think the knee surgery has anything to do with the sims. Shumpert improved from his 2012 numbers, so it’s not like he had an off year. Of all the players on that list, Lance Stephenson is the one that jumps out at me as being close. Shump does need to find an offensive game as he matures. The defense is there, unless he just wants to be a specialist in that regard.

    Shumpert developing a better offensive skillset is something I’d obviously like to see but it’s pretty rare for a spot up three-point shooter to transition into a slasher that can get to the line a lot. I think best case scenario for Shumpert is he develops a consistent three-point shot all-around the perimeter but even that I think isn’t that likely.

  15. Juany8

    Chase Thomas: Shumpert developing a better offensive skillset is something I’d obviously like to see but it’s pretty rare for a spot up three-point shooter to transition into a slasher that can get to the line a lot. I think best case scenario for Shumpert is he develops a consistent three-point shot all-around the perimeter but even that I think isn’t that likely.

    To be fair, if he played lockdown D, shot 40% from 3, and could draw fouls and attack the rim a lot, he’d be an easy all star pick. I doubt he gets there but it won’t be all that disappointing if he turns into tony Allen with a jump shot. That’s a really valuable player.

  16. nicos

    Chase Thomas: Shumpert developing a better offensive skillset is something I’d obviously like to see but it’s pretty rare for a spot up three-point shooter to transition into a slasher that can get to the line a lot. I think best case scenario for Shumpert is he develops a consistent three-point shot all-around the perimeter but even that I think isn’t that likely.

    Come on, it’s not like he’s Anthony Morrow. When he was drafted nobody thought of him as a spot-up guy- in college he was a slasher not a spot-up shooter. While it’s true he’s been awful finishing around the basket thus far, his skill set and athleticism (good handle for a two guard, above average first step, excellent leaper and very strong for his position) suggests that it might not be a stretch for him to wind up being pretty good in that role.

  17. nicos

    And he did get to the line almost six times a game in his last season at GT. The guy has played probably less than a full season 100% healthy so I’d say it’s way too soon to say he can’t become more well-rounded offensively.

  18. thenamestsam

    I think we should have a much clearer picture with regards to Iman at the end of this year. He did look poised to make a little leap at the end of last year but it’s also time for him to show some consistent quality, particularly on the offensive end. We’ve seen flashes in both years so far – but 3rd year in the NBA for a 3 year college player we should start to see a good level of aggregate production as well if he’s ever going to be the player we all think he can be – i.e. something more than just a role player on a good team.

  19. Z

    Loathing: Wait, no Derek Harper or Mark Jackson? That’s a little weird. You’d figure Rod Strickland AND Greg Anthony woulda beat CHARLIE WARD. (Ok, Steph I can see, he was our supposed “franchise playa” at that point. But Ward?!)

    Yeah, I’d say Mark Jackson and Harper. Strickland was a reserve for his 120 games as a Knick. Anthony was also a reserve (and a pretty mediocre one at that). Ward started the most games in the era as PG. And the full list is really quite putrid. This, the City of Earl and Clyde!

    Rory Sparrow: 1 year
    Gerald Henderson: 1 year
    Mark Jackson: 2.5 years
    Mo Cheeks: 1.5 years
    Mark Jackson (resumed): 1 year
    Doc Rivers: 1.5 years
    Derek Harper: 2.5 years
    Childs: 1 year
    Ward: 3.5 years
    Mark Jackson (resumed): 1.5 years
    Howard Eisley: 1.5 years
    Stephon Marbury: 3.5 years
    Nobody: 1 year (in 2007-2008 Knicks started Marbury(19), Nate(17), Fred Jones(26), Mardy Collins(8), and Jamal Crawford(12)
    Duhon: 2 years
    Felton: .66 years
    Billups: .33 years
    Nobody (resumed): 1 year (in 2011-2012 Knicks started Lin(25), Bibby(4), Baron Davis(14), TDDWTDD(9), Shumpert(13), Carmelo Anthony(1)
    Felton (resumed): 1 year(+)

    During this span we had a Center who started 15 straight seasons, a PF who started 10 straight seasons, an SG who started 8 straight seasons. The PG spot has been cursed since the late 1970s. These guys are like the drummers from Spinal Tap. (Which is why the Rondos, Lawsons, Hollidays, et al that have slipped past us are all the more upsetting)

  20. BigBlueAL

    I was never a big Charlie Ward fan when he played for the Knicks but looking back at his stats he had a few really damn good seasons. Cant believe Im saying this but he was pretty underrated.

    I always liked Childs better because of his toughness on D and the ability it seemed to hit big 3pters in the clutch. He single-handedly saved the Knicks in the 2nd half of Game 7 vs the Heat in 2000. But statistically he was a pretty bad player offensively, much worse than Ward who again as I mentioned had 4 very good seasons.

  21. maxwell_3g

    Hubert:
    We’ve tried to trade him for Steve Nash, Jared Dudley, and JJ Reddick.And all times people thought we should.

    not me sir, not me. part of it is that shump, at this point, is clearly younger and better than any of those guys. and part of it is exactly what our fearless knickerblogger described in this post

  22. maxwell_3g

    Z:
    The fact that Charlie Ward makes the All-Knick All-Star team from the past 30 years tells us just how lame this franchise has been. He and Marbury are the two best PGs the organization could find in 30 years of trying?! Yeesh.

    well considering that starks, mason, Derek harper and others were left off the list, I would hardly call this list the “definitive” list

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